Dan & Phil Part 7: Gator Girls Gone Wild

[coffee pig]

Was he one of their bosses at BBC radio 1, or was that someone else?

That's Aled from the Surgery, who used to have a show after theirs when they did it every Sunday.
He's also the one that gave them framed pictures as a going away present so they could ''put it in their retirement home.'' I find it cute that he's congratulating them.

[sunday]

it actually reminds me of Dan's AoT jumper a LOT.

That was my first thought when I saw the jumper. I wonder if they took ~inspiration~ from the Attack on Titans design?

I the Photo Booth pics so much. But hate the font that they use (so much so that I edited it out and saved myself a plain version )


I am hesitant to add anything to the cultural appropriation discussion because I am from a Western country so i can't really speak for those who are Japanese, but I thought phamnotof did a great analysis.

(I will add though that I definitely did not view Phil as doing a salute when I first saw the pic. Definitely just looks like he's shielding his eyes from the sun to me)

[SquishPhan]

Was he one of their bosses at BBC radio 1, or was that someone else?

That's Aled from the Surgery, who used to have a show after theirs when they did it every Sunday.
He's also the one that gave them framed pictures as a going away present so they could ''put it in their retirement home.'' I find it cute that he's congratulating them.

That is cute indeed.
I just thought that later on he became their boss as well, but I'm probably mixing things up.

[Diyes_Celine]

i can't deal with the second hand embarrassment of white people (and poc from cultures that have nothing to do with the one being discussed, like me, but mainly whites) talking about cultural appropriation so i'm gonna sit this one out

but just general life advice, if someone from a culture tells you something is offensive don't argue with them unless you are also from said culture, they definitely know more about the topic than you do

*has war flashbacks to people defending dan's old racist/ignorant comments about latinxs*

This.

So tempted to show the shirt designs to my Japanese students just to have an idea on what they think about this kind of design.

[Elemancy]

I can't argue for the cultural aspect of the discussion as it's not my culture, but I understand the points being made in regard to it.
I think my immediate thought with the shirts was that while I could appreciate that their trip was an enjoyable and memorable footnote to their history together, if it had such personal resonance doesn't cashing in on that detract from its impact? I'd feel strange wearing something that was important to them that I had no involvement with.
The tour shirts, the ones with the fringe, the pixel people, the llama, lion and dinosaur-these were all elements of their personalities and videos that the fans understood and had a hand in perpetuating so that it became firmly associated with dan and phil as people and as a brand.The Japan trip however feels more personalized to the both of them.
I loved that they went there, that they enjoyed the trip for what it was, (with the hope that they understand Japan is more than just what they experienced and know), but this was something they organized just for them. We were given a vlog to commemorate a trip they'd both wanted to take for the longest time which provided an alternate interesting ditl look outside of their home city which felt like a nice way of sharing their experiences in lieu of just providing a few snapchats and photos as they did with their stay in Greece, but beyond that entertainment and beyond feeling happy for the both of them that they were able to go, using it as the basis for merch just feels like buying a stranger's souvenir gift shirt with their picture on it from their summer vacation.

In terms of subtle branding I think they could have done better. In terms of turning the one year anniversary of an eventful trip into a product I'm even less enthused by the idea.

[offtopic]semi off topic: speaking of jaejoong, i want dan to take his mild goth, semi androgynous, unconventionally zipped, monochrome fashion further. + hair upgrade of any sort just something different. + sort the jeans out a little bit. i just want him to keep doing what he is doing but more make it bigger baby what am i saying[/offtopic]

absolutely agree.


Also, with the tour, I saw a picture of the sign detailing the merch being sold and what exactly is meant by a 'tour pass?' (and why would I pay 10$ for it?...)

[daphenaxa]

hidden as it makes people cringe

Isn't Russia's culture and especially its people fetishized to death though? With the ways they are represented fuelling stereotypes and denying the complexity of their culture?

on this idea that some cultures should be more sheltered and protected than others because of past dynamics, I actually kinda have a problem with that? I see it as some kind of weird patriarchy. Like a reversed fetishisation. One end of the spectrum you have orientalism and weaboo culture etc. but on the other end you have this idea that it shouldn't be touched, interacted with or mixed with by non-natives and it effectively puts it on another (inferior) level, like a child that should be protected because it is weaker? I don't think Japanese culture is on a weaker level compared to western culture and I don't think it should be given a special untouchable treatment.

I wouldn't call it fetishization. Correct me if I'm wrong, this is a perception of an outsider, but the way I see Russian culture represented in popular media reads far more like stereotypization. Which is a part of fetishization, but the terms don't mean the same thing. I don't think you'd find a whole subculture massively dedicated to calling themselves "so uber-russian, wow" after religiously watching a few Russian TV shows. Fetishization is about wanting to place yourself within that culture while not understanding the complexities of it & not respecting the realities of people who are actually living in them. The way I see Russia talked about & represented is certainly not complex enough & problematic, but where it's denying struggles and history of opression with Japanese culture and only portraying cutesy, simplified stuff (to a point where there are people on the interent who genuinely believe that D&P could have gotten legally married in Japan), it tends to be about vilifying over 140 million people and making them seem like this one vodka-guzzling sleazy homophobic white guy, which also ties into a history of western culture punishig Russian people for a history they were often not yet alive for & are suffering the consequences of more than anyone today - and it's certainly a conversation to be had, but I don't think it's comparable.

as far as your other point goes: I don't wanna just go all nopity-nope on you and tell you that "reverse fetishization" sounds about as real as "reverse racism" to me, so I'll try to elaborate: yeah, there's definitely complexities within wanting to not appropriate cultures, nobody wants segregation, which is why I said that intent matters a lot. As long as it's not set to ridicule or sort of "steal from without crediting" and it's done from a place of respect, I think it's okay. But trying to not be that appropriative asshole doesn't make you a reverse asshole (now there's a mental image), imo, it just makes you someone conscious of the fact that context will always play a role in the world, that we don't exist in a bubble and that other people's feelings matter. It's not about special treatment, but about trying to have a small part in fixing what's been broken.

I agree with you trying to not be an appropriative asshole is good and doesn't make you a reversed asshole and people shouldn't steal from a culture without crediting (which i still believe dan and phil didn't do here). I was specifically replying to your second point that said that because of past power imbalance, we should treat Japanese culture (in this example) specifically and protect and shelter it even more than what we would decently do with other cultures (like it would be acceptable to write French or Cyrillic language on a t-shirt but not Japanese). And this i disagree with because it perpetuates the idea there is an imbalance between the Western and Japanese culture. By wanting to overprotect that leads to a kind of infantilization and patriarchy that makes me uncomfortable.

On Russia, it's definitely not as strong as for Japan and maybe fetishization is not the right word but I have seen a lot online and irl, people completely idealizing and idolizing the soviet era or even this period where Putin's strong political leadership (for the better and unfortunately for the worse) makes Russia "not a pussy" (borrowed that from Trump soz) and completely dismissing the actual living conditions. (the treatment of Russian and Slav women in general is also not that far away from the treatment of South East Asian women).

That is cute indeed.
I just thought that later on he became their boss as well, but I'm probably mixing things up.

No you are right Dan said he kinda became their boss when they changed to the Monday night slot

[SquishPhan]

That is cute indeed.
I just thought that later on he became their boss as well, but I'm probably mixing things up.

No you are right Dan said he kinda became their boss when they changed to the Monday night slot

Go me for actually remembering something right this time.
It does seem like their relationship with radio 1 is still good, so hopefully that will result in something in the future.

[majitzu]

oww Phil

[SquishPhan]

oww Phil

Poor Phil, that must have been a bit embarrassing. And now his poor butt is bruised and not even from doing anything fun. Of course this had to happen to him during their first tour in the States. It is kind of funny though

[daphenaxa]

i am confused because some people that were on the show say that he didn't fall off the stage (or that they don't recall that happening which would be weird for a show they just finished watching)
what is the truth??

[SquishPhan]

i am confused because some people that were on the show say that he didn't fall off the stage (or that they don't recall that happening which would be weird for a show they just finished watching)
what is the truth??

Don’t think Phil would lie about something like this. Wouldn’t surprise me if people didn’t notice, especially if their focus was on something else. I would imagine that it probably didn’t happen when he was front and center, because how people could have missed it that way I wouldn’t know. Still the brain is strange and complex and people often miss things happening right in front of them.

[missemma]

(Just to let you know we are discussing the show over in the tatinof subforum)

[Lurktacularr]

There are tweets about him falling off stage timestamped before his tweet so must be legit. It probs wasn't as dramatic as it sounds, I doubt he just walked straight off the front mid sentence.

Apparently Dan farted at the M&G . That, to me, is way more cringe. Imagine being that fan I would unstan immediately.

[blueapple_x]

There are tweets about him falling off stage timestamped before his tweet so must be legit. It probs wasn't as dramatic as it sounds, I doubt he just walked straight off the front mid sentence.

Apparently Dan farted at the M&G . That, to me, is way more cringe. Imagine being that fan I would unstan immediately.

Lmao what??? Context please.

[DryCereal]

Ouch - poor Phil!
He never said he fell off the front of the stage. Could have been during Dan's segment of the show, or whilst something else was going on...

[missemma]

When is their Playlist meetup does anyone know?

[daphenaxa]

Apparently Dan farted at the M&G . That, to me, is way more cringe. Imagine being that fan I would unstan immediately.

there was no M&G tho today

[hyliandeity]

it's almost a dead topic now but in response to anybody saying that the t-shirt is appropriating somehow (lol) i think you should have a look at this. it's a good insight so i thought it was worth mentioning, this topic will probably come up again tbh:

not exactly the same topic, but it's pretty much the same deal.

[Lurktacularr]

There are tweets about him falling off stage timestamped before his tweet so must be legit. It probs wasn't as dramatic as it sounds, I doubt he just walked straight off the front mid sentence.

Apparently Dan farted at the M&G . That, to me, is way more cringe. Imagine being that fan I would unstan immediately.

Lmao what??? Context please.

Haaa I have none to offer everyone's just tweeting about it. I think there's a screen grab of a text in the TATINOF thread.

If I were Dan I would cancel the tour and get the next flight home. Take up knitting. Never leave the house again.

[blueapple_x]

Apparently he farted backstage, not at an actual meet and greet.

Regardless, this whole situation is pretty funny if it's true that he actually farted . I feel bad as Dan must've been mortified when he saw the fan walking up to the invisible gas cloud he created around him.

[sweetmm]

Poor Dan I wouldn't be surprised Phil fake fall to take away the heat

[idk]

When is their Playlist meetup does anyone know?

Saturday afternoon according to the playlist schedule online

[sweetmm]

I love the photobooth pic and the key rings; but these pics make me cringe

[SquishPhan]

it's almost a dead topic now but in response to anybody saying that the t-shirt is appropriating somehow (lol) i think you should have a look at this. it's a good insight so i thought it was worth mentioning, this topic will probably come up again tbh:

not exactly the same topic, but it's pretty much the same deal.

Thanks for the video, it was really interesting.

Poor Dan I wouldn't be surprised Phil fake fall to take away the heat

I can almost see that happening, but I think in this case it was just a happy coincidence.
Poor Dan though, I would be so mortified if I were him.

[jess]

@pixlexia
Phil with darker eyebrows makes him look a tad bit younger, or is it only me? Well they do say that filled in eyebrows gives you a younger look right? But definitely harsher. I prefer phil with lighter eyebrow colour... maybe because im used to seeing him like that.

Darker/fuller eyebrows will usually make people look a bit younger. Thinning/greying eyebrows is a part of the aging process, which is why a lot of people go nuts with painting them in later in life.

All this eyebrow talking makes me thing about when Dan plucked his... do you reckon he still does it? I find them not be as thin as back then. Was it around 2013? or 2014?

I'm sure danphil333 would be happy to rant about Dan's eyebrows again?

re: cultural appropriation. The shirt/sweatshirt definitely is just that. Unfortunately, it doesn't really surprise me seeing as Dan has called Gwen Stefani's first solo album/Harajuku appropriation phase a "gift." For me, that's when Gwen started taking shit way too far with literally employing four Japanese dancers to be her "pets" & launching her ridiculous Harajuku Lovers brand. I could forgive her her bindi wearing & "chola style", since she at least dated an Indian dude, grew up in Orange County, & it was the 90s/early 00s, but her Harajuku love cash in was/is pretty fucked up. The D&P design is mild in comparison (& very much a rip off "inspired" by Dan's AoT sweatshirt), but it is just adding to their list of creepy Japanese fetishization moments. & let's be real, cultural appropriation happens so much in the entertainment industry that it is cliche/tired as fuck at this point. It is still a bit saddening to see them not really get it, but again, unfortunately, not really surprising either.



Anyhoo... I liked the new Dil video & I'm happy to hear that there's at least one Undertale in the pipeline. *creeps over to TATINOF forum in hopes of some spoiler-y informations*