IDB

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:

jhamba wrote:So, 14 year old Phil had a girl as a love interest. He's obviously straight. checkmate, phan believers

Damnit. I was so sure. I never thought this day would come.

But I can't argue proof like this.

Haha I'm not sure if this is sarcastic or not but I don't think a 14 year old boy (unless amazingly self aware/self confident) would necessarily have a male/male relationship in a game he had created for himself and his friends to play? Just in terms of my own experiences!

Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

BSV wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

Nowadays, everyone is just trying to make everything gay, and it's just annoying? I'm not homophobic, but it's not fair to straight people when people try to make it seem as though straight people are homosexual

Jhamba dropping by to play devil advocates, thought I would never see the day again. Hello.

On another note, i really really like that vid. First is because it was madr by our own the ever amazing phil lester. Secondly, because it is a jrpg, which is my fav kind of game. I really enjoy Dan immersing himself into the game and Phil trying not to try guiding him. What a blessing. I hope it gets high views too so we can get a series of it. (I also kinda want Phil to upload the zip somewhere so I can download it and play it on my own because it really seems interesting haha)

Also, we are approaching one year anniversary of idb. I am so happy we've come this far

swofro wrote:Jhamba dropping by to play devil advocates, thought I would never see the day again. Hello.

devils advocate??? I am 200% serious

jhamba, i think the issue with your statement is that we don't know for sure that phil is straight or not. he said he was bi ages ago, and that was when he wasn't too popular. he's grown immensely in popularity since then, and has kept his privacy about his sexuality. so we don't know for sure if he's straight or not and i don't think it's fair to assume he is. unless i am misinterpreting your statement, then i apologize.

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

Nowadays, everyone is just trying to make everything gay, and it's just annoying? I'm not homophobic, but it's not fair to straight people when people try to make it seem as though straight people are homosexual

Literally no one brought up the relationship between Alex/Emily as some kind of proof of Phil's sexuality until you did? Why did you bring that up in the first place if you are annoyed by talk of people being gay? (You must have known that people would try to dispute with you).
And if he really is bi (which he has said in the past), then insisting that the game is proof he's straight is just as disrespectful as saying straight people are gay.

As I said before, it's a game he made when he was 14. It proves absolutely nothing. It disproves absolutely nothing.

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

Nowadays, everyone is just trying to make everything gay, and it's just annoying? I'm not homophobic, but it's not fair to straight people when people try to make it seem as though straight people are homosexual

I don't even know how to response to this? 'I'm not homophobic, but...' doesn't sit well with me. And 'Everyone is trying to make everything gay'? Im sorry but what? Im just going by my own experiences, I'm also raising a son and I know how some boys can be with each other, in terms of not following 'the norm' anyway that's another story.

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

Nowadays, everyone is just trying to make everything gay, and it's just annoying? I'm not homophobic, but it's not fair to straight people when people try to make it seem as though straight people are homosexual

Literally no one brought up the relationship between Alex/Emily as some kind of proof of Phil's sexuality until you did? Why did you bring that up in the first place if you are annoyed by talk of people being gay? (You must have known that people would try to dispute with you).
And if he really is bi (which he has said in the past), then insisting that the game is proof he's straight is just as disrespectful as saying straight people are gay.

As I said before, it's a game he made when he was 14. It proves absolutely nothing. It disproves absolutely nothing.

He has never actively used the bi label for himself. He only agreed to it when other people used it for him, and that's obviously because he felt peer pressure, since gay/bi people were much more popular online at that point, since everyone was emo, and in emo subculture, being bi was seen as cooler than being straight

jhamba wrote:

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

Nowadays, everyone is just trying to make everything gay, and it's just annoying? I'm not homophobic, but it's not fair to straight people when people try to make it seem as though straight people are homosexual

Literally no one brought up the relationship between Alex/Emily as some kind of proof of Phil's sexuality until you did? Why did you bring that up in the first place if you are annoyed by talk of people being gay? (You must have known that people would try to dispute with you).
And if he really is bi (which he has said in the past), then insisting that the game is proof he's straight is just as disrespectful as saying straight people are gay.

As I said before, it's a game he made when he was 14. It proves absolutely nothing. It disproves absolutely nothing.

He has never actively used the bi label for himself. He only agreed to it when other people used it for him, and that's obviously because he felt peer pressure, since gay/bi people were much more popular online at that point, since everyone was emo, and in emo subculture, being bi was seen as cooler than being straight

How do you know this? Has Phil ever made a statement to you or anyone else about being pressured to say he was bi? No. He's never said anything like that.
Your speculation and insistence that Phil must be straight is the same exact thing as what you expressed distaste in a couple of posts ago.


At the end of the day, we don't know what Phil's life is like. We don't know who he is attracted to. And I'm just going to say it for a third time - a couple in a game he made 16 years ago PROVES NOTHING.

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

cherrybomb3 wrote:

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:

jhamba wrote:So, 14 year old Phil had a girl as a love interest. He's obviously straight. checkmate, phan believers

Damnit. I was so sure. I never thought this day would come.

But I can't argue proof like this.

Haha I'm not sure if this is sarcastic or not but I don't think a 14 year old boy (unless amazingly self aware/self confident) would necessarily have a male/male relationship in a game he had created for himself and his friends to play? Just in terms of my own experiences!

Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

alternatively he is just bi??? like he has said in the past???

or maybe fictional relationships that people include in creative projects can have absolutely nothing to do with their own feelings/sexuality and whether or not Phil included a straight relationship, a gay relationship, whatever doesn't prove/disprove anything about him??

well yeah i agree

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

jhamba wrote:

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

Nowadays, everyone is just trying to make everything gay, and it's just annoying? I'm not homophobic, but it's not fair to straight people when people try to make it seem as though straight people are homosexual

Literally no one brought up the relationship between Alex/Emily as some kind of proof of Phil's sexuality until you did? Why did you bring that up in the first place if you are annoyed by talk of people being gay? (You must have known that people would try to dispute with you).
And if he really is bi (which he has said in the past), then insisting that the game is proof he's straight is just as disrespectful as saying straight people are gay.

As I said before, it's a game he made when he was 14. It proves absolutely nothing. It disproves absolutely nothing.

He has never actively used the bi label for himself. He only agreed to it when other people used it for him, and that's obviously because he felt peer pressure, since gay/bi people were much more popular online at that point, since everyone was emo, and in emo subculture, being bi was seen as cooler than being straight

How do you know this? Has Phil ever made a statement to you or anyone else about being pressured to say he was bi? No. He's never said anything like that.
Your speculation and insistence that Phil must be straight is the same exact thing as what you expressed distaste in a couple of posts ago.


At the end of the day, we don't know what Phil's life is like. We don't know who he is attracted to. And I'm just going to say it for a third time - a couple in a game he made 16 years ago PROVES NOTHING.

jhamba wrote:

cherrybomb3 wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

alternatively he is just bi??? like he has said in the past???

he has said that he was just doing that for attention...

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

cherrybomb3 wrote:alternatively he is just bi??? like he has said in the past???

dan was the one who came up with the 'lol attention seeking' explanation. also, that whole argument makes fuck all sense - ignore anything they have said in the past bc they say its false, but then believe them when they say that?

I can't wait to see the video and I won't be able to for a couple of hours. But for what I read it does seem to consolidate that Phil has always been a creative person.

jhamba wrote:

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

jhamba wrote:

BSV wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

Of course I have and I'm not trying to upset or annoy anyone with my opinion. Im just saying from personal experience, when I was 14 there were guys (very good friends) who had relationships with girls who are now very much in serious gay relationships. Going by a game that Phil made when he 14 doesn't prove or disprove anything? Again just my opinion

Nowadays, everyone is just trying to make everything gay, and it's just annoying? I'm not homophobic, but it's not fair to straight people when people try to make it seem as though straight people are homosexual

Literally no one brought up the relationship between Alex/Emily as some kind of proof of Phil's sexuality until you did? Why did you bring that up in the first place if you are annoyed by talk of people being gay? (You must have known that people would try to dispute with you).
And if he really is bi (which he has said in the past), then insisting that the game is proof he's straight is just as disrespectful as saying straight people are gay.

As I said before, it's a game he made when he was 14. It proves absolutely nothing. It disproves absolutely nothing.

He has never actively used the bi label for himself. He only agreed to it when other people used it for him, and that's obviously because he felt peer pressure, since gay/bi people were much more popular online at that point, since everyone was emo, and in emo subculture, being bi was seen as cooler than being straight

also holy shit that seems super problematic. phil's potential sexuality was just adopted because it was trendy in the (supposedly) dominant subculture of the time?

As said before, I don't recall Phil ever saying he wasn't bi, and that was entirely Dan... so if he hasn't said anything about his sexuality since 2009 and has confessed female attraction, he must be straight now?

are y'all for real with this discussion rn? lmfao. welcome back to the main thread, jhamba. thank you for the laugh.

cherrybomb3 wrote:

jhamba wrote:

cherrybomb3 wrote:

jhamba wrote:Or maybe he's just straight??? thought about that??

alternatively he is just bi??? like he has said in the past???

he has said that he was just doing that for attention...

/fɪl lɛstɚ/ wrote:

cherrybomb3 wrote:alternatively he is just bi??? like he has said in the past???

dan was the one who came up with the 'lol attention seeking' explanation. also, that whole argument makes fuck all sense - ignore anything they have said in the past bc they say its false, but then believe them when they say that?

Because, they spent a lot of time implying that they were straight. obviously, they were scared of the backlash they would receive if it turned out that they weren't gay, since the sjws would relentlessly attack them

rizzo wrote:are y'all for real with this discussion rn? lmfao. welcome back to the main thread, jhamba. thank you for the laugh.

I'm just here for the bants

rizzo wrote:are y'all for real with this discussion rn? lmfao. welcome back to the main thread, jhamba. thank you for the laugh.

nothing funnier than bisexual erasure



jk dont hurt me

What is happening.

Passing over the discussion about the definitive litmus test for Phil's sexuality, the video was very interesting to watch. It was nice to see a different application of Phil's creativity and I wonder as someone else did if this might not be a teaser to a future announcement of a full fledged immersive gaming experience he might have decided to try and concieve on his own. (albeit with help from appropriate channels, i.e developers, artists, etc. but something with a conceptual design and plot he created.) As for the current peek into a game he made in the past, I'd really like to see more.

so good!! I'm very impressed by phils storytelling ability I'm not much into even professional games but that plot twist literally made my jaw drop. bravo!

I'm not sure if jhamba is trolling or if she's serious (I don't appreciate this either way but whatever) but anyways: By the same logic me writing screenplays with straight couples in them would make me straight. The kind of fiction someone creates says fuck all about their own life. And by the way, jhamba, I believe you when you say you aren't homophobic but "Why does everything have to be gay nowadays?" is a very homophobic sentiment and you might want to think about that, idk.

The video was great, by the way. I would have totally played that game when I was into rpgs if it was real and I love how creative Phil was and is. I really want to know how the story ends so I hope they'll play all of it.

Birdie wrote:I'm not sure if jhamba is trolling or if she's serious (I don't appreciate this either way but whatever) but anyways: By the same logic me writing screenplays with straight couples in them would make me straight. The kind of fiction someone creates says fuck all about their own life. And by the way, jhamba, I believe you when you say you aren't homophobic but "Why does everything have to be gay nowadays?" is a very homophobic sentiment and you might want to think about that, idk.

All of this!! Just all of this right here!! This explains exactly how I feel about this whole thing.

cherrybomb3 wrote:bisexual erasure

lol, wtf fuck is up with these made up terms?

i loved the video so much. i was hoping for them to do another rpg series and i can't believe we're not only getting it (especially after the speculation that they might not do longer series again!) but it's a game that phil made! i'm all down for both of them being proud of 14 y/o phil, but i'm also actually intrigued in the storyline after that plot twist at the end. i didn't realize until then that 40 minutes wouldn't be a full play-through and now i'm looking forward to whatever phil has in store. i sincerely hope the game is long so that we can get to see more of phil waiting excitedly for dan's reactions, dan being just excited, and both of them nerding out about the final fantasy soundtracks and being nostalgic (while being nostalgic myself). also hoping they'll take the voice acting more seriously in future installments because it was something i really enjoyed in their undertale vids.

definitely the best thing that has happened to me this week. i might be slightly overexcited.