Dan & Phil Part 39: There's no integrity here

[bluewho]

But these are separate discussions imo. I do think Dan 'bottoms' because of his references to himself as on the receiving end of sex when joking (e.g. 'stick me', 'fuck me up the ass', favoriting the like if you're a bottom tweet thing, possibly many more things I'm forgetting). But even if he 'bottoms' that doesn't mean he's submissive and it doesn't mean he doesn't 'top' also. Basically I'm saying we don't know anything either way and it's none of our fucking business.

I don't think there is anything wrong with fan fiction that presents Dan as a submissive girly bottom for example, because it's fiction, it's a fantasy. It's not an attempt to present truth but to present something enjoyable to read about. I think people should be able to write whatever they want to write about: Dan as a top, Dan as a bottom, Dan as a girl, Dan as a trapeze artist - without being accused of being hetero-normative. If you don't like it don't read it I suppose. Also while I disagree with labelling a group of human characteristics 'girly' ones, I do think Dan has 'girly' characteristics. whilst being biologically male. I wrote a post eons ago indicating how I think this can be seen as subversive of heteronormativity as well as reinforcing it when it's presented in fiction http://indepthbants.com/topic391-875.html#p27348

I do disagree with any writer who thinks Dan has to be be presented as submissive or girly because he's presented as a bottom. Submissive ≠ bottom, and vice versa.

Edit: alittledizzy beat me to it in some respects but I'll post anyway since I've typed it out.

Also hannah your DP means I'm forced to stan you.

[bee]

I have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation, but Dan is wearing a beanie on Younow yasss

[SexyTrashCan]

Yeah I'm aware of the Phil tops/Dan bottoms thing but just wasn't sure what exactly they were referencing.

If you wanted some more specific examples: enter me Troye, Evan Peters and his lobster action, multiple iterations of 'fuck me up the ass' as an exclamation, presenting frequently on camera, the bottom tweet favorite, fingering his g-spot mention in the video - off the top of my head.

None of which is conclusive anything because who really expect Dans, king of 'lol i'm joking but not really' to make any conclusive statements about anything? But they are all examples of him shaping language in a way that doesn't discourage the idea of Dan as receptive - stacked side by side with approximately zero similar statements from Phil.

I think it's more reasonable to view this as a reflection of what Dan is comfortable being associated with than rigid bedroom preferences.

Hm thanks for the examples.
I have to be honest I completelyforgot about Dan's ls and for a moment got excited when I got a twitter notification

[nephilimcat]

Dan screamed in my ear. Ouch I wasn't prepared, it's just his ls and not the fucking gaming channel. I hope this isn't a metaphor for how the rest of the ls is going to be

[SexyTrashCan]

Illuminati talk
Also Haru pillow reference

[RiriPandaHeart2]

What thing did Phil give him that he broke? Sorry. My net lagged.

[SexyTrashCan]

Meh no longer watching live 10 mins behind but enjoying this so far. Much more than last week
Oh my god never mind I had to stop at that ASMR bit that noise makes me tense up and feel awful why Dan

[dannonfill]

What thing did Phil give him that he broke? Sorry. My net lagged.

the aesthetic sand thing

not sure Dan, king of exaggeration, actually broke it though haha

[SquishPhan]

Didn’t love this live show, thought it was just okay.

Dan is wearing a beanie that Phil bought for the Pastel vid but they never ended up using. It looks good on him.

I used to love watching Cow and Chicken.

at Dan not being able to just accept a bloody compliment.

I can see the next dinof vid being about him changing his name from dinof to Dan Howell now.

Dan got really passionate about his salad. And now him being able to throw away his salad is being related to him being able to kill somebody. Okay then Dan.
Also Phil really should learn to clean up after himself.

Oh great we are getting another horse boyfriend simulator vid. Not something I’m looking forward to, but not surprised there will be a sequel since the first one is doing really well view wise.

Dan shading Phil’s stinginess.

According to Dan he didn’t go outside today, so those tweets we saw of him being outside with fans were not real. Good to know.

Phil should wear the troll wig during his next live show according to Dan.
Seems like almost every live show Dan promotes Phil’s one in some way.

Dan’s AMSR bit disturbed me.

Dan and Phil saw Moonlight the other day, and Dan really liked it.

Dan’s grandma got a mention.

Talk about Phil’s birthday celebration, which was of course the perfect time for some serious lag.

Nope, pineapple should never be on pizza.

Some talk about how he said that he was 26 instead of his actual 25. Can't say that ever happens to me. I usually forget that I just had my birthday so usually I say that I'm a year younger than I actually am.

Dan going on a rant about why we shouldn’t take everything he reblogs on Tumblr seriously.

[lilMango]

Hey Yall!
Just came to say that I bought a premium today during the liveshow that read "Say hi to In Depth Bants!" And about 20 minutes into the show I got all my bars back, meaning he rejected the premium. He had already given groupchat shoutouts and random shoutouts and he continued to do so after he rejected mine, so my thought is that he is aware of our existence and doesn't want to promote us in any way.
That's my thought, but feel free to convince me otherwise cuz I feel a tad weird about it. Hi Dan!!

[SexyTrashCan]

Hey Yall!
Just came to say that I bought a premium today during the liveshow that read "Say hi to In Depth Bants!" And about 20 minutes into the show I got all my bars back, meaning he rejected the premium. He had already given groupchat shoutouts and random shoutouts and he continued to do so after he rejected mine, so my thought is that he is aware of our existence and doesn't want to promote us in any way.
That's my thought, but feel free to convince me otherwise cuz I feel a tad weird about it. Hi Dan!!

I don't blame him to be honest

[fancy_nancy]

First liveshow i watch in weeks and it was a good one. I'd really like to do timestamps but i'm too lazy so i'll kind of list my thoughts without a specific order: I hate cow and chicken, i loved the AMSR bit, i hate pineapple on pizza, he looks extremely cute, his hair is so pretty curly and that salad tossing comment, wow, hahah

[SquishPhan]

Hey Yall!
Just came to say that I bought a premium today during the liveshow that read "Say hi to In Depth Bants!" And about 20 minutes into the show I got all my bars back, meaning he rejected the premium. He had already given groupchat shoutouts and random shoutouts and he continued to do so after he rejected mine, so my thought is that he is aware of our existence and doesn't want to promote us in any way.
That's my thought, but feel free to convince me otherwise cuz I feel a tad weird about it. Hi Dan!!

It wouldn’t surprise me if yours was not the only one that got rejected. He probably gets a lot of those messages and just picks a few and rejects some others.

[lilMango]

Hey Yall!
Just came to say that I bought a premium today during the liveshow that read "Say hi to In Depth Bants!" And about 20 minutes into the show I got all my bars back, meaning he rejected the premium. He had already given groupchat shoutouts and random shoutouts and he continued to do so after he rejected mine, so my thought is that he is aware of our existence and doesn't want to promote us in any way.
That's my thought, but feel free to convince me otherwise cuz I feel a tad weird about it. Hi Dan!!

It wouldn’t surprise me if yours was not the only one that got rejected. He probably gets a lot of those messages and just picks a few and rejects some others.

Yeah, im hoping this is what happened but usually when I send premiums they just get ignored rather than rejected so im kinda :/

[thephandommenace]

Uh oh, lurking ultra confirmed?

I liked his live show! He was super chill and looked like an adorable mint iced gem.

Was a bit like ? though when he said "OMG STOP BRINGING UP THE CHICKEN". Mate you tweeted it to your over 4mil Twitter followers

[human]

Hey Yall!
Just came to say that I bought a premium today during the liveshow that read "Say hi to In Depth Bants!" And about 20 minutes into the show I got all my bars back, meaning he rejected the premium. He had already given groupchat shoutouts and random shoutouts and he continued to do so after he rejected mine, so my thought is that he is aware of our existence and doesn't want to promote us in any way.
That's my thought, but feel free to convince me otherwise cuz I feel a tad weird about it. Hi Dan!!

It wouldn’t surprise me if yours was not the only one that got rejected. He probably gets a lot of those messages and just picks a few and rejects some others.

Yeah, im hoping this is what happened but usually when I send premiums they just get ignored rather than rejected so im kinda :/

Naaaaah I've had completely innocent ones rejected loads of times and haven't taken it personally, it doesn't mean anything besides perhaps repeated ones or perhaps just too many shout outs in one batch or sometimes probably completely by accident. I don't think Dan would be that petty about a fan community lol.

Liked the liveshow but lolled when Dan said he hadn't been outside today. Boy whyyy you lyinnnnn'

[iero]

dan looked so good in his liveshow omfg

dan mentioned quite a few things they'd bought and 'forgotten' to use in the pastel edits irl video: piercings, beanies, pastel earrings, other wigs and nail painting lol. a lot to forget?

[lilMango]

Hey Yall!
Just came to say that I bought a premium today during the liveshow that read "Say hi to In Depth Bants!" And about 20 minutes into the show I got all my bars back, meaning he rejected the premium. He had already given groupchat shoutouts and random shoutouts and he continued to do so after he rejected mine, so my thought is that he is aware of our existence and doesn't want to promote us in any way.
That's my thought, but feel free to convince me otherwise cuz I feel a tad weird about it. Hi Dan!!

It wouldn’t surprise me if yours was not the only one that got rejected. He probably gets a lot of those messages and just picks a few and rejects some others.

Yeah, im hoping this is what happened but usually when I send premiums they just get ignored rather than rejected so im kinda :/

Naaaaah I've had completely innocent ones rejected loads of times and haven't taken it personally, it doesn't mean anything besides perhaps repeated ones or perhaps just too many shout outs in one batch or sometimes probably completely by accident. I don't think Dan would be that petty about a fan community lol.

Liked the liveshow but lolled when Dan said he hadn't been outside today. Boy whyyy you lyinnnnn'

Lol thank you for the reassurance I was getting a bit worried

[papierklemmen]

"i didn't go out today" dan sits on a throne of lies confirmed. like, you literally took selfies with people. who are you trying to gaslight, dude?

[Laney]

dan looked so good in his liveshow omfg

dan mentioned quite a few things they'd bought and 'forgotten' to use in the pastel edits irl video: piercings, beanies, pastel earrings, other wigs and nail painting lol. a lot to forget?

It would be a more lucrative choice to make a whole other video for the nail painting thing, instead of fulfilling two highly requested things in one video. Maybe that's why they excluded the nail polish? (idk about the rest of the props)

[malday]

Hey Yall!
Just came to say that I bought a premium today during the liveshow that read "Say hi to In Depth Bants!" And about 20 minutes into the show I got all my bars back, meaning he rejected the premium. He had already given groupchat shoutouts and random shoutouts and he continued to do so after he rejected mine, so my thought is that he is aware of our existence and doesn't want to promote us in any way.
That's my thought, but feel free to convince me otherwise cuz I feel a tad weird about it. Hi Dan!!

didn't he in one show say he rejected all the messages asking him for a festive name or something because he was getting so many.
in some ls he seemed weary of giving shoutouts to groupchats with problematic names.

or it could be he doesn't want to promote gossip sites.

[iero]

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is this paraphrased or..? i seemed to completely miss this part of the ls


edit: okay i just found the clip

starts at 8:23 but imo the part at 8:46 kinda cancels out what people are speculating... dno what it could be though

[AmazingOCD]

Dan closed off with another 'Stay Hydrated'. Is that becoming Deppy's new closing phrase/inside joke with the Phandom?

[apathy]

Phil should wear the troll wig during his next live show according to Dan.
Seems like almost every live show Dan promotes Phil’s one in some way.

This is an interesting trend. Reminds me of the radio show when they showed up on the chart to promote the request show, and then Aled showed up in that for his... meaning it feels like an intentional teaser and not just random at this point. More of the "all channels are OUR channels" philosophy this year?

(Gotta rewatch the live show now that I'm home. I have a weekly conference call at the same time so I always miss most of it. Stupid work getting in the way of my phandom time. )

[lurker]

lilMango, i'm 99% sure that some time before christmas, someone else sent dan a "say hi to indepthbants" message and he read it out loud, so i don't think you need to worry. or am i imagining things?

i couldn't watch the ls due to being in studying hell, but i'm looking forward to more comments and timestamps! re: dan changing dinof to dan howell, where are you all getting the vibe from? i can see how his comments about the new video seem to fit, but i wouldn't have thought of this myself and i'm wondering if i missed something. in any case i'm glad to see your speculations about this because otherwise i'd probably get nervous about this.