Dan & Phil Part 14: Is This Tour Over Yet?

[jaej]

and afaik phil voted for the conservatives in the 2010 election = lower taxes for better off people etc but my info for that is someone who knew him talking about 'phil' idk if it's 100% him

Chances of Phil telling anyone who he voted for... mmmmmmmm, doubt it very much. "Not the done thing" in the UK, is it? (And bloody rude to ask/tell others, too...)

a pre-vote discussion on policies is pretty normal, isn't it? ive only voted twice but both times i had a pretty clear idea of how people were voting since we talked about the various policies and outcomes before. but i found out through one of charlieskies friends commenting on his facebook and charlies response in 2012, so it isn't the sharing part that i think makes it less believable (basically charlie made a post about american politics, someone commented saying he voted for the tories and didn't have the moral high ground, he said he only voted for them in 2010 because phil did, and i think someone asked if it was ap and he said yes but it's just the 'phil' part i remember)

[felucca]

I thought getting practical gifts from your parents is pretty normal when you're a grown up? At least that's how it works in my family and my environment. For me the fact that he gets also more personalized things is more unusual (and kinda great). And I'd say everybody needs a drill in their household (though yeah maybe not so often when you're renting) and it's as masculine as a blender is feminine. Though I obviously don't know what was Phil's dad intention.

Yes to this! Lol I got a tool box from my mum before I moved out and I made the exact same jokes about it as Phil makes about the cordless hammer drill, despite actually being very pleased to have a tool box. Other friends got sewing machines and vacuum cleaners and drills and stuff like that - it's just preparing your kid for a life on their own...?

(The hammer drill's even been useful! Remember that SAP episode when they'd apparently locked themselves into a room by mistake and Dan had to hammer drill them out? )

It's interesting that Phil mentions his mum so much more often and that she's the one to always feature in videos and pictures with him - perhaps his father likes to be a bit more private, too? I feel like the little I know about him (creative, avid Buffy-watcher and owner of his own business) sounds very Phil-like.

I approve of this thread name and Oqua's thread starter picture.
IckleMissMayhem there will be NO videos. Ever.

[DryCereal]

IckleMissMayhem there will be NO videos. Ever.

Whyyyyyyyyyyy?!

Actually. Stuff 2016 . 2026 Phil is a total poppet and keeping me entertained.

[Kathrynxjane]

and afaik phil voted for the conservatives in the 2010 election = lower taxes for better off people etc but my info for that is someone who knew him talking about 'phil' idk if it's 100% him

Chances of Phil telling anyone who he voted for... mmmmmmmm, doubt it very much. "Not the done thing" in the UK, is it? (And bloody rude to ask/tell others, too...)

Completely agree. No one really talks about who they are going to be voting for. Dan wouldn't tell us who he voted for in the last election so I can't see Phil telling people either. Who you are voting for is a very personal thing to a lot of people.I wouldn't go around asking people nor would I want people asking me either. Maybe it is a UK thing.

Talking about voting. I really hope have done a postal vote for the EU in/out vote. This is one of the most important elections so I hope they thought about that before they left for the tour.!!

[DryCereal]

and afaik phil voted for the conservatives in the 2010 election = lower taxes for better off people etc but my info for that is someone who knew him talking about 'phil' idk if it's 100% him

Chances of Phil telling anyone who he voted for... mmmmmmmm, doubt it very much. "Not the done thing" in the UK, is it? (And bloody rude to ask/tell others, too...)

Completely agree. No one really talks about who they are going to be voting for. Dan wouldn't tell us who he voted for in the last election so I can't see Phil telling people either. Who you are voting for is a very personal thing to a lot of people.I wouldn't go around asking people nor would I want people asking me either. Maybe it is a UK thing.

Talking about voting. I really hope have done a postal vote for the EU in/out vote. This is one of the most important elections so I hope they thought about that before they left for the tour.!!

Me too, although I don't think it's too late to arrange either a postal vote or a proxy yet.

[internetakeover]

IckleMissMayhem there will be NO videos. Ever.

Whyyyyyyyyyyy?!

Actually. Stuff 2016 . 2026 Phil is a total poppet and keeping me entertained.

I am obsessed with those 2026 accounts! I think I love them more than actual D&P at the moment, the 2016 versions are boring me so much/giving me so much less to go on

[starlight-still]

As far as political issues go, one thing that even I've noticed as someone relatively new to is that Phil does seem to care a lot about animals mating/breeding/being endangered. His whole hamster-breeding thing is actually fascinating to me- how did he get into that? And remember what he wrote on the ema (wooden wish/prayer plaque) when they were in Japan about pandas mating (and how it came true ).

So discussing this sort of thing more wouldn't mean he has to start making videos like "OMG you guys I just donated a mint to this awesome org!" or "My awkward protest encounter!" He could work within his own interests to branch out a bit and talk about how he got into all that, how he's kept up with it through the years, etc. But, then again, sometimes I wonder if some of the advertising/spon deals that they have are behind their avoidance of certain topics.

[sunday]

I’ve also been examining Dan and Phil’s mentions of their family on Twitter.

I went through both of their accounts and counted up how many times each of them uses the words “family,” “parents,” “mum/mother,” and “dad/father.” I counted manually to make sure that I only included references to their OWN family/parents, not any uses of the terms to talk about other people’s families or families in general.

Here are the final tallies. Draw your own conclusions I guess.

Phil
family: 35
parents: 85
mum: 86
dad: 25
mother: 2
father: 1
TOTAL: 234

Dan
family: 11
parents: 4
mum: 13
dad: 10
mother: 1
father: 2
TOTAL: 41

Oqua doing the lord's work. Can I ask if you took into the fact that Dan has deleted a bunch of tweets? That might have skewed the results a little bit if you were including tweets Phil has made prior to the date at which Dan did a mass-delete of all his tweets

[ironic]

[offtopic]

and afaik phil voted for the conservatives in the 2010 election = lower taxes for better off people etc but my info for that is someone who knew him talking about 'phil' idk if it's 100% him

Chances of Phil telling anyone who he voted for... mmmmmmmm, doubt it very much. "Not the done thing" in the UK, is it? (And bloody rude to ask/tell others, too...)

Completely agree. No one really talks about who they are going to be voting for. Dan wouldn't tell us who he voted for in the last election so I can't see Phil telling people either. Who you are voting for is a very personal thing to a lot of people.I wouldn't go around asking people nor would I want people asking me either. Maybe it is a UK thing.

That's surprising to me. People in my country love talking about politics and from their opinions you can easily tell who are they voting for. And a huge part of them is completely open about it. Now I kind of wish it was different, I wouldn't lose respect to so many of my acquaintances (Sorry not sorry, some politicians are just ridiculous and horrible humans.)

[/offtopic]

I also hope we'll finally get a video today. I'd be happy with anything.

[jaej]

and afaik phil voted for the conservatives in the 2010 election = lower taxes for better off people etc but my info for that is someone who knew him talking about 'phil' idk if it's 100% him

Chances of Phil telling anyone who he voted for... mmmmmmmm, doubt it very much. "Not the done thing" in the UK, is it? (And bloody rude to ask/tell others, too...)

Completely agree. No one really talks about who they are going to be voting for. Dan wouldn't tell us who he voted for in the last election so I can't see Phil telling people either. Who you are voting for is a very personal thing to a lot of people.I wouldn't go around asking people nor would I want people asking me either. Maybe it is a UK thing. :shrug

im from the uk and discuss politics so i don't think it's a uk thing. what's a meeting for coffee if you don't talk about by-election fraud?

i don't know many people who don't bring it up unless it's just the wrong situation, we love an impromptu eu discussion mid party. might just be that my friends are more politically inclined, majorly being a group of current/future law/politics/media/journalism students, but even outside of that group it's pretty normal to talk about these things. plus, it recently became that in scotland, the legal voting age has been lowered to 16. my group of 17-20 year olds are all recent voters, starting with either the independence referendum, uk general election and scottish general election.

a liveshow with people you can influence is different from discussing with people you know imo. dan didn't tell us because he's aware he has a lot of influence AND doesn't actually know that much. it's a completely different thing from telling people you know

[internetakeover]

re both politics and starlight-still's suggestion that they might not share some opinions b/c of spon/advertising links: I'm not sure if they're exactly allowed to say who they voted for - or their view on the EU referendum - because they're employees of the BBC. From the BBC's own site: 'there is no blanket prohibition on individuals becoming involved in political activity ... Each instance of political activity will require a judgement to be made by the relevant manager in consultation with the Chief Adviser, Politics, to whom there is a mandatory reference at an early stage if there is any possibility of a risk to the BBC's impartiality'.
'Political activities' include: 'speaking in public on matters of political controversy or public policy; expressing views on matters of political controversy or public policy in ... social networking sites, blogs, etc; promoting a partisan view on an issue put to local or national referendum'.

Quite a few BBC employees have something like 'not the views of the BBC' in their twitter bios, and while I don't really imagine they'd get in serious trouble for a couple of sentences/a little discussion in a liveshow - who would report them? - it's probably easier for them not to push it, and fits with their general 'no opinions, no drama' approach anyway!

[swofro]

[offtopic]

and afaik phil voted for the conservatives in the 2010 election = lower taxes for better off people etc but my info for that is someone who knew him talking about 'phil' idk if it's 100% him

Chances of Phil telling anyone who he voted for... mmmmmmmm, doubt it very much. "Not the done thing" in the UK, is it? (And bloody rude to ask/tell others, too...)

Completely agree. No one really talks about who they are going to be voting for. Dan wouldn't tell us who he voted for in the last election so I can't see Phil telling people either. Who you are voting for is a very personal thing to a lot of people.I wouldn't go around asking people nor would I want people asking me either. Maybe it is a UK thing.

That's surprising to me. People in my country love talking about politics and from their opinions you can easily tell who are they voting for. And a huge part of them is completely open about it. Now I kind of wish it was different, I wouldn't lose respect to so many of my acquaintances (Sorry not sorry, some politicians are just ridiculous and horrible humans.)

[/offtopic]

[offtopic]Politics is in everyday talk in my country and there are always opinions on every little thing so this is a bit shocking to me. Our voting age is 21 but I remember talking about it in class with friends when I was 15. Young and immature. Lol.[/offtopic]

[eevee]

On the other hand, there seems to be this widespread belief of Dan's parents being homophobic, and I really don't get why? OK, his grandmother is catholic and he doesn't talk a lot about the rest of his family, but I believe it's due to a mixture between what bedhead91 said (not being a tight-knot family, essentially), the really nice experiences his brother has had with the phandom and well, the contrast itself with the relationship of Phil and the Lesters. I recall something about watching the Lord of the Rings with his parents and Dan being embarrassed because his father wanted some male characters to kiss?

I'd like to respond to this because I'm one of the people who believes that...well, I call it my headcanon because there's not much to go on, so I can't really completely believe it to be true 100%. Anyway a big part of why I think that is because of no-homo-howell, although he was getting rude homophobes on liveshows, i could see him caring less about randos online and more about what his family would think if he were to be outed to them. He was protecting his secret like his life, and to me that infers that there was a bigger reason than "i don't want a handful of people who randomly clicked on my ls to dislike me." Also because of how little he tweets about them/talks about them as well, I got the sense he wasn't super close to them. But someone brought up that maybe he didn't bond with them past 18 which would make sense. His relationship with his parents/family probably isn't as easy as "they're homophobic, end of story" but to me it would make a lot of sense.

[daphenaxa]

As far as political issues go, one thing that even I've noticed as someone relatively new to is that Phil does seem to care a lot about animals mating/breeding/being endangered. His whole hamster-breeding thing is actually fascinating to me- how did he get into that? And remember what he wrote on the ema (wooden wish/prayer plaque) when they were in Japan about pandas mating (and how it came true ).

they have sponsored an animal actually (or maybe a fan sponsored it in their names not sure anymore). I don't remember the details but the sign is in their toilets.

As for Phil voting conservative in the past, I don't believe in any information coming from CharlieSkies. If he did though, I wouldn't be surprised. Those things are heavily influenced by how your parents are voting and I think his parents are loaded.
I don't believe he would vote conservative now though.

[corn flakes]

Oqua, that picture is amazing

About their families: I agree with you bedhead91, but at the same time I don't think that Phil's upbringing has been 100% sunshine-lollipops-rainbows. We briefly discussed it a couple of threads ago, but some of the comments Phil has made rub me in the wrong way regarding the "masculinity" issue: who the fudge gets a harmless drill for his birthday? His mother finds remarkable that he tried on girly hats? suspiciously waiting for a free house to invite Dan? These are only some examples that come up to my mind right now, but I bet we all can think of more.

To me it sounds like Phil was brought up with the same heteronormative set of values that most people on the planet are brought up with, no better or worse. Still sounds like he had a drama-free childhood. You would have to have grown up in a really liberal household in the 90's if you were a boy and your parents said to you, ''Awww, look at our son trying on girl's clothing, we don't care about gender rolls!'' I remember my mom giving my brother the same shtick about ''how to act like a man'' and laughing when he did anything ''girly'' and she isn't that conservative.

I agree with everything, Dan has the average relatioship with his family that most of us have, Phil seems to have instead one that seems near an ideal one but it's a personal pet peeve of mine when people imply that you probably don't like or have problems with your family if you aren't tight with your parents.

As for the drill, can someone link me the sap in which they drilled themselves out of the room?


Voting: they will probably never talk about it, like you said probably a mix of bbc and their no drama lifestyle; but I would think they talk in private about it, didn't they last year indirectly encouraged people to vote?

Animals: wasn't the animal adopted for their sake by a fan?

[PolarFox]

On the other hand, there seems to be this widespread belief of Dan's parents being homophobic, and I really don't get why? OK, his grandmother is catholic and he doesn't talk a lot about the rest of his family, but I believe it's due to a mixture between what bedhead91 said (not being a tight-knot family, essentially), the really nice experiences his brother has had with the phandom and well, the contrast itself with the relationship of Phil and the Lesters. I recall something about watching the Lord of the Rings with his parents and Dan being embarrassed because his father wanted some male characters to kiss?

I'd like to respond to this because I'm one of the people who believes that...well, I call it my headcanon because there's not much to go on, so I can't really completely believe it to be true 100%. Anyway a big part of why I think that is because of no-homo-howell, although he was getting rude homophobes on liveshows, i could see him caring less about randos online and more about what his family would think if he were to be outed to them. He was protecting his secret like his life, and to me that infers that there was a bigger reason than "i don't want a handful of people who randomly clicked on my ls to dislike me." Also because of how little he tweets about them/talks about them as well, I got the sense he wasn't super close to them. But someone brought up that maybe he didn't bond with them past 18 which would make sense. His relationship with his parents/family probably isn't as easy as "they're homophobic, end of story" but to me it would make a lot of sense.

I think it depends, maybe his parent's are not homophobic in a similar way that mine aren't (that much) - aka they don't care/are for lgbtq+ rights unless it comes to their children, because various random reasons like what would relatives think/what would people think/they have different imaginations about the life their child will live/all the similar stuff, so it could be that and it would fit probably all the said things, unless I'm wrong.
That's all I have to say, because I'm slightly uncomfortable discussing people we know so little about and their views and stuff.

[akui]

Y'all talking about politics and i'm from a dictatorship country so i be like "no voting no trouble"

As for Phil voting conservative in the past, I don't believe in any information coming from CharlieSkies. If he did though, I wouldn't be surprised. Those things are heavily influenced by how your parents are voting and I think his parents are loaded.
I don't believe he would vote conservative now though.

Same, for starter i believe charlie lied, (but honestly i vote X because my friend as vote X" is such a stupid thing, you don't deserve you voting right) if he was telling the truth, i also think maybe because, as you said, Phil's parents are rich.

But is it possible tho? In 2010 conservatives lost big in manchester and from my understanding labor seems to be more popular in the north?

So I don't think he voted conservative but if he did it was probably because of his family's influence, he sure won't vote conservatives now since he's been living with a sanders girl for years.

[alittledizzy]

Animals: wasn't the animal adopted for their sake by a fan?

Even if the animal was adopted on their behalf by a fan (and I'm pretty sure you're right, it was), I think the fact that they found it cool enough to display it in their house implies some fondness for the concept.

I'm also of the opinion that they probably do donate to charity but just don't want to talk about it with their audience. I'm actually fine with that; I don't need proof of every good deed they do. It makes me think better of them to imagine them doing things like that without it having the added motive of being public image driven.

Same, for starter i believe charlie lied, (but honestly i vote X because my friend as vote X" is such a stupid thing, you don't deserve you voting right) if he was telling the truth, i also think maybe because, as you said, Phil's parents are rich.

Phil seems so heavily influenced by his parents that I can still see Phil, in 2010, voting the way his parents felt was a good way to vote. I think the intervening years of living alone and having a life that requires way more independent thought might have very much changed his priorities when it comes to voting issues.

On the other hand, being rich as fuck might mean he still cares more about fiscal conservatism than social liberalism. (Disclaimer: I'm very American with not much insight into British politics, so if I say something that sounds off base it's just because I'm not very educated in that area.)

[Kathrynxjane]

re both politics and starlight-still's suggestion that they might not share some opinions b/c of spon/advertising links: I'm not sure if they're exactly allowed to say who they voted for - or their view on the EU referendum - because they're employees of the BBC. From the BBC's own site: 'there is no blanket prohibition on individuals becoming involved in political activity ... Each instance of political activity will require a judgement to be made by the relevant manager in consultation with the Chief Adviser, Politics, to whom there is a mandatory reference at an early stage if there is any possibility of a risk to the BBC's impartiality'.
'Political activities' include: 'speaking in public on matters of political controversy or public policy; expressing views on matters of political controversy or public policy in ... social networking sites, blogs, etc; promoting a partisan view on an issue put to local or national referendum'.

Quite a few BBC employees have something like 'not the views of the BBC' in their twitter bios, and while I don't really imagine they'd get in serious trouble for a couple of sentences/a little discussion in a liveshow - who would report them? - it's probably easier for them not to push it, and fits with their general 'no opinions, no drama' approach anyway!

Totally forgot they work for the BBC (no radioshows in two months and you forget that they work for them!) of course they couldnt talk about it if they wanted too!!.
Ignore what I said about Dan in that liveshow
Even though BBC can be very biased themselves haha!

[eevee]

I think it depends, maybe his parent's are not homophobic in a similar way that mine aren't (that much) - aka they don't care/are for lgbtq+ rights unless it comes to their children, because various random reasons like what would relatives think/what would people think/they have different imaginations about the life their child will live/all the similar stuff, so it could be that and it would fit probably all the said things, unless I'm wrong.
That's all I have to say, because I'm slightly uncomfortable discussing people we know so little about and their views and stuff.

True, I've heard parents/adults say things like "I support LGBTQ+ rights, but if it were my child, I'd be unhappy because I don't want my child to have to struggle and go through what they go through" or something along those lines. Which like...is coming from a good place I guess? But is still not as supportive as you could be...at all lol.

It's also possible that Dan wanted to tell his family on his own terms and didn't want to be outed if his family googled him, which is a super valid way to feel.

[corn flakes]

I don't know how to link from tumblr:
http://phantheraglama.tumblr.com/post/145340846246

but what were they doing in the first two photos?

[akui]

On the other hand, being rich as fuck might mean he still cares more about fiscal conservatism than social liberalism. (Disclaimer: I'm very American with not much insight into British politics, so if I say something that sounds off base it's just because I'm not very educated in that area.)

Isle of Man is also a popular offshore destination #PhanamaPaper, there is no need for him to vote on raising tax on peasants.

All my knowledge to UK politics came from this John Oliver clip

[DryCereal]

I don't know how to link from tumblr:
http://phantheraglama.tumblr.com/post/145340846246

but what were they doing in the first two photos?

Dunno the first (drawing on their hands/arms?) 2nd one, Dan's doing some crazy air guitar by the looks of it.

[mez29]

I live for nerdy politics/voting talk, thanks guys Also I talk about politics with my friends all the time, but some people aren't into it, I don't really think going one way or the other on that is a 'UK thing'. I wouldn't discuss it with a stranger though.
Having said that I'm just going to go on a politics splurge in the rest of this post, apologies.

Me too, although I don't think it's too late to arrange either a postal vote or a proxy yet.

Four days left! (in case anyone still needs to register)

what's a meeting for coffee if you don't talk about by-election fraud?

I quite agree, just had a friend visiting for a couple of days and we were talking about politics about 70% of the time

Same, for starter i believe charlie lied, (but honestly i vote X because my friend as vote X" is such a stupid thing, you don't deserve you voting right) if he was telling the truth, i also think maybe because, as you said, Phil's parents are rich.

Sometimes people definitely do vote the way their friends vote. They feel like it's their duty to vote but haven't really formed an opinion on which candidate they support, so they just decide based on what they hear their friends saying. I've had friends voting the same way as me in two elections just because they didn't know who to vote for, and I wasn't even trying that hard to persuade them.

But is it possible tho? In 2010 conservatives lost big in manchester and from my understanding labor seems to be more popular in the north?

(Huge generalisation but) big cities usually vote more towards Labour but smaller towns tend to have a higher number of Conservatives: so in a constituency with a larger city where the population of the city is greater than in the surrounding towns, the city voting will outweigh the small town voting and Labour will do better. Edit: having just looked it up, Phil's parents don't live in a Manchester city constituency, and their constituency has actually had a Conservative MP since 2010.

So I don't think he voted conservative but if he did it was probably because of his family's influence, he sure won't vote conservatives now since he's been living with a sanders girl for years.

[uglyamerican]

On the other hand, there seems to be this widespread belief of Dan's parents being homophobic, and I really don't get why? OK, his grandmother is catholic and he doesn't talk a lot about the rest of his family, but I believe it's due to a mixture between what bedhead91 said (not being a tight-knot family, essentially), the really nice experiences his brother has had with the phandom and well, the contrast itself with the relationship of Phil and the Lesters. I recall something about watching the Lord of the Rings with his parents and Dan being embarrassed because his father wanted some male characters to kiss?

I'd like to respond to this because I'm one of the people who believes that...well, I call it my headcanon because there's not much to go on, so I can't really completely believe it to be true 100%. Anyway a big part of why I think that is because of no-homo-howell, although he was getting rude homophobes on liveshows, i could see him caring less about randos online and more about what his family would think if he were to be outed to them. He was protecting his secret like his life, and to me that infers that there was a bigger reason than "i don't want a handful of people who randomly clicked on my ls to dislike me." Also because of how little he tweets about them/talks about them as well, I got the sense he wasn't super close to them. But someone brought up that maybe he didn't bond with them past 18 which would make sense. His relationship with his parents/family probably isn't as easy as "they're homophobic, end of story" but to me it would make a lot of sense.

I sorta doubt that his parents are homophobic, considering the industry that they (the parents) work in where there are probably more "out" people than in the general workplace. If there is a strained relationship between Dan and his parents, it probably has more to do with his parents not supporting his decision to leave university - although time has shown it to be a good decision on Dan's part.

My relationship with my parents and siblings is not particularly close. It's kinda I'll come visit on holidays / birthdays / special occasions, but it's not like we talk everyday (more like once or twice a month.) I just like my privacy and freedom to do what I want without judgement / opinion / unsolicited advice.