Dan & Phil Part 41: what in domestication

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confusedpanda wrote:I wasn't sure if I should post the names of the accounts on here, but yes that's the production company
You can post the names on here! If it's something you discovered on twitter because of Dan himself following them, it's all good. :)
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confusedpanda wrote:
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confusedpanda wrote:Alright, after a week of debating on posting this, I'm just gonna let the cat out of the bag. Specially after this live show.
So I'm like 100% sure Dan and Phil are working on a secret project. Sometime in the week of March 6th, dan started following this managing director for a production company on twitter. This managing director also followed flipside almost right after dan and has been following Phil for ages according to Phil's following. At first I was like oh that's... interesting. Until I noticed that the twitter account for production company followed dan, phil and flipside all at the same time.
All we know is, they're working on something with a production team, which is pretty exciting and might explain the whole "come back to me in five months" thing dan was talking about in his live show from last week and the shifty eyes when saying he knows why he's been so tired. Also, this company honeslty produces everything from what I've seen on their site. From online shorts, to music videos, to documentaries, etc.
Mods, if this isn't ok to post (though all this is literally public knowledge and can easily be found on twitter), feel free to take it down. I wasn't even planning on finding anything like this when I was just looking at Dan's following tab one day. The fact that this Knowledge was quite literally in our faces and no one noticed just leaves me to question, what else has been hiding in plain sight like this?
lemonademoney ?
I wasn't sure if I should post the names of the accounts on here, but yes that's the production company
Ok I'll place my bets: it's something for youtube red, or netflix. Either a sitcom based on their life, a documentary about coming of age on youtube, or they're just producing a high budget April Fool's video.
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confusedpanda wrote:
malday wrote:
confusedpanda wrote:Alright, after a week of debating on posting this, I'm just gonna let the cat out of the bag. Specially after this live show.
So I'm like 100% sure Dan and Phil are working on a secret project. Sometime in the week of March 6th, dan started following this managing director for a production company on twitter. This managing director also followed flipside almost right after dan and has been following Phil for ages according to Phil's following. At first I was like oh that's... interesting. Until I noticed that the twitter account for production company followed dan, phil and flipside all at the same time.
All we know is, they're working on something with a production team, which is pretty exciting and might explain the whole "come back to me in five months" thing dan was talking about in his live show from last week and the shifty eyes when saying he knows why he's been so tired. Also, this company honeslty produces everything from what I've seen on their site. From online shorts, to music videos, to documentaries, etc.
Mods, if this isn't ok to post (though all this is literally public knowledge and can easily be found on twitter), feel free to take it down. I wasn't even planning on finding anything like this when I was just looking at Dan's following tab one day. The fact that this Knowledge was quite literally in our faces and no one noticed just leaves me to question, what else has been hiding in plain sight like this?
lemonademoney ?
I wasn't sure if I should post the names of the accounts on here, but yes that's the production company
I noticed that he followed the producer but didn't make any connections so good work! If you look at the producers twitter he retweeted something from Comedy Central about how they are making digital shorts this year with some youtubers and others- no dan and Phil mention- but I thought it was interesting because I could see them interested in making digital shorts.

Also (might be reaching with this one) but one of Bryony's close friends on twitter is also a writer for Comedy Central UK and Dan followed him about 2 months ago. May not be connected but I would love if it all was

Edited to add:

Isn't this the couple that made the smash or pass gay edition featuring Dan?
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malday wrote: Ok I'll place my bets: it's something for youtube red, or netflix. Either a sitcom based on their life, a documentary about coming of age on youtube, or they're just producing a high budget April Fool's video.
..or they are finally recording their Dan and Phil LP and producing a spectacular music video for the first single ('Lizards' btw)
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malday wrote:
confusedpanda wrote:
malday wrote:
confusedpanda wrote:Alright, after a week of debating on posting this, I'm just gonna let the cat out of the bag. Specially after this live show.
So I'm like 100% sure Dan and Phil are working on a secret project. Sometime in the week of March 6th, dan started following this managing director for a production company on twitter. This managing director also followed flipside almost right after dan and has been following Phil for ages according to Phil's following. At first I was like oh that's... interesting. Until I noticed that the twitter account for production company followed dan, phil and flipside all at the same time.
All we know is, they're working on something with a production team, which is pretty exciting and might explain the whole "come back to me in five months" thing dan was talking about in his live show from last week and the shifty eyes when saying he knows why he's been so tired. Also, this company honeslty produces everything from what I've seen on their site. From online shorts, to music videos, to documentaries, etc.
Mods, if this isn't ok to post (though all this is literally public knowledge and can easily be found on twitter), feel free to take it down. I wasn't even planning on finding anything like this when I was just looking at Dan's following tab one day. The fact that this Knowledge was quite literally in our faces and no one noticed just leaves me to question, what else has been hiding in plain sight like this?
lemonademoney ?
I wasn't sure if I should post the names of the accounts on here, but yes that's the production company
Ok I'll place my bets: it's something for youtube red, or netflix. Either a sitcom based on their life, a documentary about coming of age on youtube, or they're just producing a high budget April Fool's video.
no :( it's a surrealist horror thriller set in space, created and directed by phil and written by dan :( starring neither of them, bless their hearts :(
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no :( it's a surrealist horror thriller set in space, created and directed by phil and written by dan :( starring neither of them, bless their hearts :(
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i still vote for moving AND a secret project. damn, all this talk about how the apartment is noisy/no storage is driving me mental. boys, BOYS, what is it, really? or is the moving talk a misdirection? or is the secret project a misdirection? or is everything a lie we'll only find out about on april fool's? now i gotta squint really hard at phil's ls this thursday.

who's dan kidding? everyone would love for him to tattoo 'me and phil' on his forehead. who needs a marriage certificate, amirite? you do you, dan
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I was surprised by how generally calm that liveshow was, I was expecting salty Dan to make an appearance after the reaction to ISG 9 but I actually felt that he was in quite a sweet mood, which was refreshing.

I really appreciated his discussion about sexuality at the end, I think what he said is something that's especially important for young people to hear - that labels can be useful to define yourself and align yourself with similar people BUT they're by no means essential and it's perfectly fine to not label yourself as anything if you don't want to. And also that it's okay for your identity to change over time, and that nothing is static. It's something I would have loved to hear when I was 16 and confused af (and even something that was nice to hear now tbh), and I felt that Dan was speaking from experience too. As someone else said, Dan stating that he likes 'queer' as an umbrella term felt very personal as well, as contemplating various terms for 'non-het' feels like an experience that is specific to people who aren't straight/cis.

I also liked what he had to say about Get Out (and he's right, 'What Not to Do at the Cinema' does hold up, it's my fave dinof video still), I really want to see it despite my absolute fear of horror movies.

As for why he's so tired - I'd be surprised if it's not a secret project. Given that they've followed that production company and all the other clues people have been talking about I think it's likely they have something in the works that they aren't able to talk about. I'm so so so curious about it though oh my god, I hate not knowing for sure. It does interest me though that he always talks about it in the singular (I'm so tired), and that he specified he is physically exhausted. Given that they both follow the guy from lemonademoney though (providing that is related to what they're doing), I assume it is a joint project.

As for moving, that comment at the end about how noisy the apartment is did again make me feel like moving is on the cards, although I'm sure he's well aware that everyone thinks they're going to move so he may just be egging us on.
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captainspacecoat wrote:I was surprised by how generally calm that liveshow was, I was expecting salty Dan to make an appearance after the reaction to ISG 9 but I actually felt that he was in quite a sweet mood, which was refreshing.
That's an interesting interpretation because I actually felt like he was quite salty. Some of it could be down to him being tired, but he seemed almost irritated at his audience to me. He read out questions in mocking/patronizing tones, and he sounded derisive when he talked about why they wouldn't play Life is Strange and exasperated at people encouraging him to write on his forehead. I got a sense of impatience throughout, even though he also did still go on some interesting tangents.
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alittledizzy wrote:
That's an interesting interpretation because I actually felt like he was quite salty. Some of it could be down to him being tired, but he seemed almost irritated at his audience to me. He read out questions in mocking/patronizing tones, and he sounded derisive when he talked about why they wouldn't play Life is Strange and exasperated at people encouraging him to write on his forehead. I got a sense of impatience throughout, even though he also did still go on some interesting tangents.
Ooh, interesting! I do see what you mean kind of, I think you're definitely right about the Life Is Strange part, and there were a few moments (snorting after saying 'Dan Lester' comes to mind) where he seemed a bit put out - he seemed quite defensive about perceived audience expectations. I guess for me I was just dreading this liveshow so much and had built it up in my mind as one of those live shows where he's just consistently snappy, as those always leave me feeling stressed and exhausted. It definitely fell short of that to me, and I felt that he was for the most part (to me, at least) quite gentle and calm, at least moreso than I would have expected him to be given the negative reaction to ISG 9.

Edit: Unrelated, but I just remembered another bit of the liveshow I liked haha, the bit when someone asked whether he'd played Dungeons and Dragons and he immediately talked about how Phil would be good to play with, and then fondly described what Phil would be like playing. Thought that was pretty cute
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i actually felt dan was pretty calm in this liveshow (i mean, i usually do bc i'm not good at reading emotions or face expressions but), i loved his discussion about gender and sexuality. it was something i really could've needed back in middle school and i was confused with my sexuality. (now i'm not labelling and identify as nonbinary but yeah). i really enjoyed his liveshow as usual. i am quite curious as to why hes been so tired and stuff but probs a secret project or something.
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You know I'd be kind of worried if they made a Netflix sitcom about their lives, but if they made a skit show on comedy central I'd be pretty optimistic! I trust Dan and Phil and comedy central for the most part so I'd definitely tune in and hope for the best. I feel like it'd be better for them to do a less sitcom version of their lives and more of a key and peele, tim and eric, ect. skit show where they base their dynamic on themselves and then have various random skits. That could be really cool. (Look at me jumping to all these conclusions with no basis lmao). I'd just hate for them to have a Mirada Sings type show that doesn't translate well (a lot of people liked her show but I really didn't tbh) and I personally feel like a sitcom thing would do exactly that.
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alittledizzy wrote:
captainspacecoat wrote:I was surprised by how generally calm that liveshow was, I was expecting salty Dan to make an appearance after the reaction to ISG 9 but I actually felt that he was in quite a sweet mood, which was refreshing.
That's an interesting interpretation because I actually felt like he was quite salty. Some of it could be down to him being tired, but he seemed almost irritated at his audience to me. He read out questions in mocking/patronizing tones, and he sounded derisive when he talked about why they wouldn't play Life is Strange and exasperated at people encouraging him to write on his forehead. I got a sense of impatience throughout, even though he also did still go on some interesting tangents.
I thought he was calm too and just trying to be funny and entertaining while reading as many question as he could. He seemed to answer questions more honestly and decidedly, which made it fun to watch for me, even if mocking the phandom at times.
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secretagentphan wrote:You know I'd be kind of worried if they made a Netflix sitcom about their lives, but if they made a skit show on comedy central I'd be pretty optimistic! I trust Dan and Phil and comedy central for the most part so I'd definitely tune in and hope for the best. I feel like it'd be better for them to do a less sitcom version of their lives and more of a key and peele, tim and eric, ect. skit show where they base their dynamic on themselves and then have various random skits. That could be really cool. (Look at me jumping to all these conclusions with no basis lmao). I'd just hate for them to have a Mirada Sings type show that doesn't translate well (a lot of people liked her show but I really didn't tbh) and I personally feel like a sitcom thing would do exactly that.
The idea of them having a show using their dynamic and personas horrifies and excites me at the same time, just the hypothetical situation itself. I would love to watch something with them in it (their personality in certain situations) quite separate from youtube. It could have potential, but if they actually did it, it would probably just fall to shit. I just rambled on here:
The Miranda Sings Netflix show, is absolutely terrible, while her videos are kind of like marmite, the show is just cringey and painful to watch. If deppy were to hypothetically do anything of that style (and I stress this as hypothetically) then I worry what it's quality and success may be. I mean, while the TATINOF show was kind of cringey, a lot of people (ME included) actually quite enjoyed many aspects of it. However, just because this was successful, does not mean their mean a show with them in it, would be.

I find, that if there was a tv show that existed, with Dan and Phil in it as characters, even as their personas, I dare say I might actually like it, if it was done well. But I'm quite picky with "comedy" and the netflix kind is kind of slapstick and cheesy, I would put more faith in Comedy Central as said. However, even if deppy were working on something with other writers and has Dan's "creative integrity" and effort gone into it, I would worry how good it would be. I find that some of the appeal of them as entertainment is not scripted-people enjoy them for their randomness, spur of the moment, kind of one-liners, subtlety and for the loudest, just for the phan. When something is controlled, the comedy becomes more forced, and anything phan related just merely forced and intentional. They risk losing interest, becoming scripted, unless done well. Also, I feel that comedy shows also rely on "relationships" a lot, and if an outsider or writer comes in and intends to do a romantic interest-then, oh boy.

I wonder what kind of show it would be IF it existed? Would it be them as best-buds sharing a flat together and going on wacky adventures? Forced romantic hetero relationships that has no chemistry? Will it change the nature of their real life behavior? Would it give them fake character backgrounds? Would Dan be a nihilist-part-time-barista and Phil be his manic-pixie-dream-boy (who is also an alien) come and change his life around? I think, the show having their personalities, could be potentially tooth-rotten cute, fluffy and fun if done right, and be what a lot of people watch for light entertainment. If they go for something like what Jack and Dean have done, which is just, objectively, not funny and as entertaining as watching paint dry, then nope. Not at all. If they went all out, and tried to be creative, then I would actually be excited, just at the mere idea of something new.
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alittledizzy wrote:
captainspacecoat wrote:I was surprised by how generally calm that liveshow was, I was expecting salty Dan to make an appearance after the reaction to ISG 9 but I actually felt that he was in quite a sweet mood, which was refreshing.
That's an interesting interpretation because I actually felt like he was quite salty. Some of it could be down to him being tired, but he seemed almost irritated at his audience to me. He read out questions in mocking/patronizing tones, and he sounded derisive when he talked about why they wouldn't play Life is Strange and exasperated at people encouraging him to write on his forehead. I got a sense of impatience throughout, even though he also did still go on some interesting tangents.
Yess, I was pretty tired and mildly prepared for Dan to be his usual self (i.e. jumping from one topic to another, ambiguous comments and a prepared list of things to talk about) but this was slightly different as he came off slightly weary and tired. He looked just about done with the internet drama, things he felt like everyone was waiting for him to address while also being affected with whatever's been going on the last couple of weeks that he cant disclose. I definitely sensed a tone of impatience as well.
He answered questions and responded to the chat more than I've ever seen happen before and that was pretty interesting as it led to impromptu tangents. Loved his rant on sexuality, gender and labels (I too felt that the way he spoke about 'queer' as a label and said straight-cis-white-male, like he wasn't one, felt somewhat personal).

The way he spoke about Life is Strange, the forehead tattoo and snorted at the 'Daniel Lester' was interesting because it wasn't quite mocking but just exasperated like 'really? after everything, this still gets you excited?' Maybe thats just how I read into it, but I think he expects us to just behind thinking of him-and-Phil as a given now after their (apparently confirmed) intentional efforts to normalise their interactions. Sadly, there still exist those who continue to blatantly refuse to look past their heteronormative beliefs and require a declaration claiming otherwise.

Love the theories about the secret projects or the moving trope which keeps intensifying. The comment about physical pain (exertion?) makes me think looking for houses? regardless, I'm looking forward to what will unfold in the future :D

Also, the movie story where Phil once again took responsibility for someone else's action, like the popcorn story, was so fascinating and makes me feel for him because I react similarly in public. I love how they portray each other in their narrations though, its so fond

PS-Hearing Dan talk casually about watching Phil since 2007 (basically a decade) made me swoon for some reason
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Also, the movie story where Phil once again took responsibility for someone else's action, like the popcorn story, was so fascinating and makes me feel for him because I react similarly in public. I love how they portray each other in their narrations though, its so fond

PS-Hearing Dan talk casually about watching Phil since 2007 (basically a decade) made me swoon for some reason
I thought that story was really interesting too, I feel like there's this weird trope that exists in the phandom of Phil being super confident and comfortable in social situations but recently they've both mentioned several instances that would suggest Phil is actually quite socially uncomfortable/anxious at times. It's very humanising, and I wish people would drop this strange dichotomy where Dan = anxious and socially awkward in opposition to Phil = confident and Dan's social security blanket.

And I forgot to mention the 2007 thing, it's something I've never really thought about, that Dan knew of Phil's existence for two whole years before he actually met him

Also 000dia000 your whole post was super interesting! I've found that youtubers trying to enter mainstream entertainment very rarely translates, and I always end up with secondhand embarrassment. I used to be a fan of mirandasings but I really couldn't sit through her netflix show, and reading so many negative reviews from people who didn't know her from youtube made me cringe a lot. I think tatinof and the documentary were perfect for youtube red as they really only resonated with dnp's audience, but if they'd been released on netflix the reaction from the general public would have been awful. Maybe I'm just being negative, but the idea of dnp having a scripted show of some sort on Comedy Central (or similar) doesn't really appeal to me. As much as I'd be happy for their success, it's not something I'd particularly want to see as I watch them for (what I view as) their genuine, relatively unscripted interactions, which is what their youtube channels and live shows provide.
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Concept: The secret project is the two of them renovating their new house they bought together in the style of Phil's beloved property shows but it's obviously a comedy/mess. Special guest star, the cordless drill from all those years ago. It's a project and a move, confirmed.

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Phil and Misc Watch 2017
Dan or the Grim Reaper? SCIENTISTS CAN’T TELL (Week 11)

Prompted Phil Mention
13:45 (chat) I’m going to name my child Dan
“I hope that isn’t after me, because when I have my inevitable scandal in 2 years, that’ll just be a terrible mistake."
14:15 (chat) What scandal?
“That’s a good question, what would Dan’s big scandal be?”
“It needs to be kind of relatably sad and a bit awkward.”
15:05 (chat) Hamster trafficking
“Nah, that’s Phil”
15:13 (chat) Your scandal would be getting arrested for killing Phil after he finally stole enough of your cereal
“That’s pretty likely”

43:38 (chat) When did you start watching Phil’s videos?
"I don't know, back in like 2007 or something. I've been watching YT since.. when was my account created? 2006, 2005. You know. I was watching YT for ages, and there was nothing interesting happening on YT."
Unprompted Phil Mention
28:00 "Do you want a rant? There was a guy, so annoying, directly in front of me and Phil [at the cinema]"
(chat) 'Phil and I'
“I’m literally gonna get a sharpie and write it on my forehead"
“Would it really be that entertaining to see me write ‘me and Phil’ on my face?”
[Anyway, annoying guy was audibly tapping and throwing popcorn around]
"Phil was in full social meerkat mode, just like having a crisis at this social situation that he felt responsible for."
"Oh my god, would anything freak you out more than feeling socially responsible for another person’s actions? Oh my God, Phil was just like [noises] at this”
-I don't really understand if this means like secondhand embarrassment for how the person was acting, or like stress at wanting but not wanting to tell someone to fuck off. Like the 'vibrating in the corner' with the gasmen though, another volunteered story from Dan about Phil dealing with some social stress, interesting

37:10 “me and Phil have finally caught up with Steven Universe” “and now we’re like ‘what is life, honestly’"
“Fuck everybody writing ‘me and Phil’ I don’t care, I’m gonna just run away to Venezuela and just never make a video again."
37:50 (chat) Watch Rick and Morty now
"I think we’re gonna have to"

44:30 (chat) Have you played BOTW yet?
“Look, I’m at an impasse, you guys need to help me. Phil has finished playing FFXV, I’ve been waiting for FFXV for ten years, but now Zelda’s come out” and he can’t decide which to play
45:10 (chat) Zelda takes a long time
“Zelda apparently takes a long time, I bet FF would take longer, especially if I got into it. Phil has said there are grind-y aspects of it”

53:40 (chat) Have you ever played D&D?
“No, I haven’t, but I would be down for some dank roleplaying sometime. I feel like Phil would be a good gamemaster - ‘Here you’re fighting a dog, the dog takes off their hat and it’s actually a prince dressed as a dog’ - I feel like that’s something that Phil would say, could you imagine that? I think that would be good.”
54:23 (chat) ‘Dungeon Master’, Dan
“I’m sorry"
Neutral Phil Mention
17:00 “If you’re someone who likes TV shows, or just anything in life, and you’re not watching mine and Phil’s series playing the Sims 4 on our gaming channel, you’re missing out on some of the most intense drama that is being produced in the world right now."

17:25 “Jesus Christ it’s started. I’m gonna get ‘me and Phil’ fucking tattooed on my forehead. You think I’m joking? Try me, bitch.”

18:00 “me and Phil, when we’re making these Sims videos” don’t know what’s going to happen
18:25 “where are you when DanAndPhilGAMES is pumping out the Sims content. Honestly, it’s like half of what I’m living for right now. It’s the TV show that I’m in control of.”
-oh yeah what’s the other half

18:40 [re: Sims video title] "Thank Phil for that. Another thing you should thank Phil for, and I need to apologise for this”..
“if you are one of the many many people that have been emailing Phil’s brother”..
“if you go to danandphilshop, you can get the plushies again, and also Phil… Jesus Christ… if you go to the checkout and use the code SWAGLORD” you’ll get 20% off tshirts
“#danandphilplushies” pic contest for merch

23:30 (chat) Will you be starting a new series [on DAPG]
“Who knows.”
“People keep tweeting these things at us that are like, ‘We heard you didn’t want to play Life Is Strange because people will say you’re playing the game wrong, you can’t play the game wrong, we just wanna see the real you and see what decisions you make’”
26:00 “I was just gonna be annoyed that people would take it way too seriously, trying to psychoanalyze the choices that we made, when I’m not gonna take anything seriously on YT."
“Do you wanna see 'Dan and Phil making tough moral decisions, then they start crying, and they have a debate, and they have a fight about who they should save, who they should kill, should they lie or tell the truth, oh my god’ who knows, maybe, maybe not. Maybe we’ll just do it because it’s a fun series that lots of people want to recommend. Or maybe not, who cares.”
Miscellaneous
04:30 “Guess what your boy Danny finally did? Uploaded a video. This is disgusting, this is absolutely disgusting, but it had been nearly 10 months since the last ISG. How disgusting is that?”
8:20 “Thousands of emails [for the ISG inbox] are now just the entire Bee Movie script, so thank you for that. Gonna probably have to wait another 10 months for the next ISG.”
-well everyone, keep sending those scripts then, who thought that all it would take to kill ISG was the Bee Movie

10:35 “Oh my god I’m responsible for so many lesbian hookups, honestly I’m so honoured. What is it about me that inspires that? I’m so proud of your happiness, truly. I know it sounds sarcastic, but I’m not."

13:00 (chat) Can I call you Daniel from now on?
“Maybe I’ll rebrand to Daniel. Could I pull that off?”
"Maybe I can feel the freedom to decide whether I'm Daniel or Dan or danisnotonfire"

20:55 “I’ve been so tired, oh my god these last two weeks for Dan have been an emotional rollercoaster, physically
- :sideeye: tell meeee

21:50 starts talking about Get Out
“So entertaining” “it’s so funny and intense and the plot twists are so good and one of the best movies about race relations in America despite being a horror.”
-or maybe because it’s a horror

24:45 will just do one video to finish off Horse Prince “so that way people that hate it can only avoid one video to not get nightmares, and people that do want it can just [watch it]"

28:00 (chat) When’s the next dinof video?
“Dunno." (starts drumming fingers loudly yikes calm down, but it segues into cinema rant story about loud tapping man so alrighty then)

32:20 “Who wants some music recommendations from your local hipster, Daniel Howell? See, that works if I was a music blogger, 'Daniel Howell’ would be good. Maybe I could be full Emma Stone and just change my surname to something else. 'Daniel Mysterio’. …I apologize for what I just said."
33:03 (chat) Daniel Lester
“Good suggestion, (sarcastic snort noise), he did it"

34:50 (chat) I hate online college it sucks balls
“But who’s to say that sucking balls isn’t a good thing, let’s not be offensive"
35:43 (chat) I just entered the liveshow and the first thing you said was about sucking balls
“Welcome to danisnotonfire. Or: Daniel Howell’s Cultural Corner."

40:48 “I wish I had more time to watch TV”

44:20 (chat) Hi Dan can we be friends
“I appreciate that, that’s a very nice thing to say, but you might be a cannibal that has sex with dogs and I can’t condone that. Honestly, I’m so sorry.”
-these potential cannibals just keep getting potentially wilder

46:00 [He didn’t like the last episode of Sherlock]: "Don’t come for me, Sherlock fans, don’t come for me, I’m one of you. I’m allowed to have opinions. Just ‘cause you’re a fan of something, doesn’t mean you have to support it through thick and thin.”
Like I’m a huge fan of Kanye West and he’s constantly terrible. And instead of defending him like some Kanye fans do, I go, 'No, that’s terrible. I like his music, I wish he didn’t do that thing.'"
-yay, do pewdiepie next

49:40 (chat) How much do your viewers make you cringe?
"Not that often, a lot of it’s in jest. The thing is with audiences, they’re very diverse, you know, people of all ages/walks of life/senses of humours" [and it varies across platform]:
Facebook: articulate, funny/clever
Twitter: super sarcastic, good sense of humour
Tumblr: incredibly creative and arty
Youtube: sometimes [about irrelevant comments], I’m like, "talk about the video, imma punch you"

51:00 "The only thing I don’t like is when people comment on other videos ‘cause it embarrasses me.” [like ‘Dan sent me’ on videos of songs he’s recommended, etc, please don’t do it]
"But the people [commenting] on YT are also a lot younger [while older people are conversing more on Tumblr/Twitter/Facebook]."
“So YT comments tend to be younger, but, you know, we’re all young, it’s fine. It’s all happiness and positivity."

52:25 "Instagram has like the worst fucking comments of anything.”
[but it’s fine, not everything has to have a community]

54:05 (chat) Dan how was your week?
“I’ve been irrationally sleepy, I don’t know- well I do have an idea why (shifty eyes) I’ve been very tired. Today I feel like I’ve been irrationally sleepy. I ate two apples just to zazz myself with the sharpness of an apple."
-did somebody actually ask him that or did he glance at his notes just before ‘asking’ that question to prompt his intentionally shifty answer to lay the groundwork some more about whatever is happening in the near (within five months..) future

56:45 (chat) We’re learning about the reproductive system in a mixed class
“I think that’s good. Honestly, schools that divide people via gender, it doesn’t make any sense. It’s like, what are you trying to do there? Stop people from being distracted by sex and romance? Firstly, non-straight people exist. Secondly, toxic masculinity in all-male schools and the horribleness that is girls being mean to each other in all-girls schools is probably worse than any kind of flirty distraction that would happen."
“If more boys knew about how menstruation worked and more girls understood how male puberty worked, life would be less confusing, especially as a teenager where everything is just terrifying and confusing.”

57:50 (chat) What about when you’re asexual?
“That’s fine. You can have any sexual identity you want, it’s okay. You can feel as specifically sexual or non-specifically sexual as you please.”

59:20 (chat) Can I be pansexual and asexual at the same time?
"You don't have to define it. There’s lots of words, and words can be good. There’s a million words for genders, there’s a million words for sexual- and what they can be good for, these labels, are for helping you to understand your feelings. ‘Cause if you see a description of something written down, you can think 'that’s how I feel' and maybe if you want to convey your personality to somebody, then you can look that up and you can go ‘yeah’”

59:59 “I know that some people argue that sexuality and all these labels and definitions are different things, but we don’t even know what sexuality means, so there we go."

1:00:30 (chat) I’m ace but what if I change my mind?
“That’s okay. On one hand, you don’t have to label yourself. A lot of tumblr, they make you feel like, ‘I need to label myself with these complicated labels to be cool’, you don’t have to. If you want to just be a formless blob, a mess that struggles to define themself from moment to moment, that’s also okay. You can use labels if you wish and [they help you to define yourself], and you can change."

1:01:18 "You can label yourself to tell people what kind of personality you have right now if you want, or not if you feel like you want to change your mind. It’s okay. It’s cool. It's fine. I’m just concerned for all you—"
(chat) Queer is a good umbrella term
"It is. I like that as a word for just everything that isn’t normative. Which is, you know, straight white cis males that are born in capitalist countries into rich families. The opposite of the current society privilege. As an umbrella term for people who maybe aren’t represented or treated as fairly, that society should work on representing more."

1:02:50 [about his giant hoodie] “It’s just comfy, I love this. It’s because it’s so huge and baggy, it just makes me feel like a formless blob. And that’s when your external clothing reflects your internal personality, which I think is what we should all strive for."

1:03:25 [re: sirens outside flat] “Oh my god that’s so loud. This apartment is so noisy, end me. Please release me from this hell.”


1:03:55 "Honestly watch the gaming channel, it’s so good."
Phinal Tally: said ‘Phil’ 25 times
Dan mentioning Phil: 25/64.5 minutes = 0.39 per min.
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captainspacecoat wrote:I was surprised by how generally calm that liveshow was, I was expecting salty Dan to make an appearance after the reaction to ISG 9 but I actually felt that he was in quite a sweet mood, which was refreshing.
That's an interesting interpretation because I actually felt like he was quite salty. Some of it could be down to him being tired, but he seemed almost irritated at his audience to me. He read out questions in mocking/patronizing tones, and he sounded derisive when he talked about why they wouldn't play Life is Strange and exasperated at people encouraging him to write on his forehead. I got a sense of impatience throughout, even though he also did still go on some interesting tangents.
Honestly the first half hour or so to me felt like 3 hours, I was feeling some antsy (defensive/deflective?) energy with all the speed talking but then he seemed to settle down a bit. I kind of expected him to talk about ISG more, but I'm glad he didn't since I think that's where some real defensiveness would have reared its ugly head; though he did make sure to note it's been 10 months since the last one, and then seemed a bit agitated when answering about when the next dinof will be. I really love how proud and confident he seems of the gaming channel though.

I really liked the sexuality and labels talk at the end, and I don't think it was all entirely unrelated to thoughts about ISG. I know there's always talk about 'it'll be a coming out vid' before any video he puts out, but I wonder if the outpouring of disappointment this time (like just general disappointment of it being ISG) kind of amplified the (expected but usually quieter) disappointment/whatever of people who genuinely expected a coming out vid. So this longer chat about not needing labels or to announce yourself in a certain way was not only aimed in the direction of people who just would appreciate that message, but also to the people who don't quite grasp that concept and need or expect a label from him that they aren't going to get. Or not, just thinking.

Anyway it seems he officially came out as a formless blob in this liveshow, so everybody can just relax now.
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Isn't this the couple that made the smash or pass gay edition featuring Dan?
[offtopic]Yes this husbands is the one that made the video.

Well flipsidetalent seems to have quite a few LGBTQ+ youtubers in their clientele, majority openly gay with the exception of one (unless Rapha came out and I wasn't aware, or my assumptions has been wrong)[/offtopic]
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It bothers me when people in the chat bother Dan about the «me and Phil» because sometimes Dan is in the middle of a interesting story or actually talking about a good topic and people in the chat start with the whole «Phil and I» and he stops what he's saying. Sometimes he goes back to the topic at hand but you can see he has lost his train of thought.
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captainspacecoat wrote:As for why he's so tired - I'd be surprised if it's not a secret project. Given that they've followed that production company and all the other clues people have been talking about I think it's likely they have something in the works that they aren't able to talk about. I'm so so so curious about it though oh my god, I hate not knowing for sure. It does interest me though that he always talks about it in the singular (I'm so tired), and that he specified he is physically exhausted. Given that they both follow the guy from lemonademoney though (providing that is related to what they're doing), I assume it is a joint project.

As for moving, that comment at the end about how noisy the apartment is did again make me feel like moving is on the cards, although I'm sure he's well aware that everyone thinks they're going to move so he may just be egging us on.
Oh, I find that so interesting! If it is a joint project/moving, why mention being tired in the singular when they've been quite liberal with the 'we' lately (watch people freak out that Dan is moving out by himself because of this). Then again, it could be another misdirection. I still can't stop thinking about 'life things' they are doing though, and taking it chill for this year. Maybe it means they'll do the Life things after this special project? Could the 'physical' part be lack of sleep from brainstorming/planning this secret project instead of the more usual physical-through-labour? If only Phil was as generous with vague hints that make us go crazy. Where is that time machine when you need one???
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fancybum wrote:43:38 (chat) When did you start watching Phil’s videos?
"I don't know, back in like 2007 or something. I've been watching YT since.. when was my account created? 2006, 2005. You know. I was watching YT for ages, and there was nothing interesting happening on YT."
The idea that Phil was a presence in Dan's life for most of his one pre-Phil serious relationship just fascinates me. Obviously, we don't know much about that relationship nor should we since neither Dan nor his ex have been forthcoming about it... but man, it still makes me think hard about how much of an influence Phil's videos were on Dan, whether or not Dan followed him on social media or was a casual fan, and at what point it turned from entertainment to a genuine enough interest for Dan to reach out and how that intersected with the relationship that Dan was presumably still in at that point?
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I'm not sure I would wanna see a TV show from them. YouTuber movies tend to suck (I'm sure there's some good ones.) and the only example of a YouTuber having a TV show (that I know of) is Miranda Sings, which wasn't well recieved. I hope they are just moving because I don't know if their style would work well for TV.

Edit: I'm surprised to hear that Dan had watched Phil for so long, he was probably my age when he first started.

I also really appreciated the queer-being-used-as-an-umbrella-term-thing! I'm pretty sexually confused at the moment, so I really needed to hear that.
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onetruetrash wrote:I'm not sure I would wanna see a TV show from them. YouTuber movies tend to suck (I'm sure there's some good ones.) and the only example of a YouTuber having a TV show is Miranda Sings, which wasn't well recieved. I hope they are just moving because I don't know if their style would work well for TV.
YTer movies/shows do tend to kind of suck (I mean, I've got a soft spot for Camp Takota/Dirty 30, but the plots are paper thin), but so do YTer tours, right? Glorified Q&A's usually. But I think with their tour, D&P proved they're interested in working a lot harder than they "needed" to (speaking from the perspective that they still would have sold out tickets all over the place even if it was just a Q&A), which bodes well for (maybe, hopefully) creating something that not just hardcore fans can enjoy by seeking out professionals that know what they're doing and can make it look like D&P know what they're doing through collaboration.
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malday wrote: Ok I'll place my bets: it's something for youtube red, or netflix. Either a sitcom based on their life, a documentary about coming of age on youtube, or they're just producing a high budget April Fool's video.
no :( it's a surrealist horror thriller set in space, created and directed by phil and written by dan :( starring neither of them, bless their hearts :(
Surrealist horror, um yes please. 'Bless their hearts' yeah they're not exactly seasoned actors. They have the most experience as presenters, and through the BBC, they (thinking mainly Dan with Supergamers, but even their radio excursions to location shoots and interviewing will have honed these skills) have documentary experience. They really don't have any experience in long-form narrative writing outside of tatinof, and even that was a lot of things loosely tied around a story..

The idea of a 'variety show' sounds kind of old-fashioned, but think of something like SAP, only longer and updated with their current selves and a crew and budget. They could do a little bit of everything and anything they wanted. Whatever Phil's been marinating. This quote from Dan last month:
I once wanted to make a video series about the 7 deadly sins, maybe I’ll do that this year. Who knows. Maybe that’s something I could do more creatively, with a bigger production budget, or maybe just on YT. Who knows.
Segments/sketches/shorts, omg I'm getting excited and I shouldn't. But. The possibilities. At the same time though, if it's not meant for YT, then goodbye slightly-more-consistent uploading. Hmmmm. What I really want is 'viewer spooky happenings' but in a 'trying to be ironic but actually freaked out' travel series: they research something scary, maybe they interview people I don't care, then go somewhere and get spooked and laugh. I might even trade consistent!DAPG for that, don't sue me.
alittledizzy wrote:The idea that Phil was a presence in Dan's life for most of his one pre-Phil serious relationship just fascinates me. Obviously, we don't know much about that relationship nor should we since neither Dan nor his ex have been forthcoming about it... but man, it still makes me think hard about how much of an influence Phil's videos were on Dan, whether or not Dan followed him on social media or was a casual fan, and at what point it turned from entertainment to a genuine enough interest for Dan to reach out and how that intersected with the relationship that Dan was presumably still in at that point?
We'll never get the full picture but it really is maddening interesting to think about. I just had the very strange image of Dan and his gf watching early Phil videos together. Awks.
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I really liked this liveshow, but then again I always really like dan's liveshows. I actually paid full attention to this one and I noticed in his liveshow at 20:15 dan looked/pointed to his left and said he wrote down a note to mention the #danandphilplushies thing. have we noticed or talked about this before or has the "dan comes prepared with a list of topics" thing just been an assumption? I always assumed he just came with a mental list of topics to discuss, I never thought he physically wrote it down, although that DOES many sense.

I also thought his answer to the question about 'cringy fans' was interesting, although i don't really know why.

this is pretty off topic, but at the beginning of the liveshow he mentioned he'll have an inevitable scandal in two years and now I can't stop thinking about what it'll be. I can't really imagine a dan-centric scandal, but now I kinda want to see him mentioned on the drama channels like drama alert or something. Like, Deppy are so talented at staying out of drama it's so weird to think of them getting into some youtube drama. I'm glad they never start drama but a small part of me would find it hilarious.

also what did dan's story mean at 56:00? what were they doing on St. Patty's day?
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