Dan & Phil Part 46: Some kind of a gay backstory

lost686girl · Sun May 21, 2017 4:14 pm

apathy wrote:Marriage & children in your early 20s is very common in my area (to the point that 30 & single is "old maid" status). But Dan has said his parents were "quite young" when they had him and someone here once said/speculated that they were in their early 30s. I believe he also once said something about not having kids until you're ready to be the best parent ever. So I'd expect that's still several years away in his mind.

I always assumed that dans parents were in their early twenties when they had him

nephilimcat · Sun May 21, 2017 4:18 pm

I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't care if or when they have children, I'd be way more excited about them adopting a dog I mean, it would be kind of cute but I don't really like kids and they might stop doing YouTube if they had kids. They are already very private, they probably wouldn't want people to stalk their kids. I could imagine them ending their YouTube career a year or so before they had children and slowly retreat into the shadows to avoid the hype. Which I don't like to imagine because I am selfish and want them to never stop

thephandommenace · Sun May 21, 2017 4:27 pm

lost686girl wrote:
apathy wrote:Marriage & children in your early 20s is very common in my area (to the point that 30 & single is "old maid" status). But Dan has said his parents were "quite young" when they had him and someone here once said/speculated that they were in their early 30s. I believe he also once said something about not having kids until you're ready to be the best parent ever. So I'd expect that's still several years away in his mind.

I always assumed that dans parents were in their early twenties when they had him

Same, based off Dan's descriptions in his Draw My Life.
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I could have just stereotyped them in my mind as early-mid twenties, as you don't have to be that young when you graduate or to be a DJ. But the average childbearing age is apparently 31, hence Dan's 'young' comments.

Also the speculations about them being in their 30s might have been about Phil's parents, not Dan's (I remember speculating about it a few threads back). Though late 20s is also a possibility to me. It's all guesswork based on how Kath looks in various videos including the baby reaction videos that show her in the late 80s, rather than actual numbers.
Not relevant but I love Kath

awkwardly · Sun May 21, 2017 4:30 pm

nephilimcat wrote:I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't care if or when they have children, I'd be way more excited about them adopting a dog I mean, it would be kind of cute but I don't really like kids and they might stop doing YouTube if they had kids. They are already very private, they probably wouldn't want people to stalk their kids. I could imagine them ending their YouTube career a year or so before they had children and slowly retreat into the shadows to avoid the hype. Which I don't like to imagine because I am selfish and want them to never stop

nope, you are not the only one

I get that they expressed a wish for kids, but I'm the same. I'd rather they got that dream dog (please please get an abandoned one from a shelter). Or even a pet lizard.

(and you might be right that they are too private to share videos when they'll have kids eventually)

Sun May 21, 2017 4:54 pm

thephandommenace wrote: Also the speculations about them being in their 30s might have been about Phil's parents, not Dan's (I remember speculating about it a few threads back). Though late 20s is also a possibility to me. It's all guesswork based on how Kath looks in various videos including the baby reaction videos that show her in the late 80s, rather than actual numbers.
Not relevant but I love Kath

From last year when this topic got brought up:

oqua wrote:When Dan was born, his mother was 26 and his father was 31. I've never understood why he thinks that counts as "quite young."

I'm also pretty sure Kath was 31 when Phil was born.

nephilimcat · Sun May 21, 2017 5:00 pm

awkwardly wrote:
nephilimcat wrote:I feel like I'm the only one who doesn't care if or when they have children, I'd be way more excited about them adopting a dog I mean, it would be kind of cute but I don't really like kids and they might stop doing YouTube if they had kids. They are already very private, they probably wouldn't want people to stalk their kids. I could imagine them ending their YouTube career a year or so before they had children and slowly retreat into the shadows to avoid the hype. Which I don't like to imagine because I am selfish and want them to never stop
nope, you are not the only one I get that they expressed a wish for kids, but I'm the same. I'd rather they got that dream dog (please please get an abandoned one from a shelter). Or even a pet lizard. (and you might be right that they are too private to share videos when they'll have kids eventually)

fancybum · Sun May 21, 2017 5:01 pm

Chiming in as another one decidedly not hyped for them to have kids as that will bring an end to "Dan and Phil" as we know them. They've got too much of their own lives left to live before giving it up to the next generation. If they really need to bother with it at some point I hope they go the celebrity route of waiting for a career lull in like their late 40s. Also they've got all the time in the world as Phil is immortal, so what's the rush. It's recently occurred to me that he's clearly a distant relative of Kenneth from 30 Rock (also an immortal) and that thought cracks me up at least a few times a day:

AmazingPhil explained in 20secs:

Explanation for all those those "Sleepless Nights"...

But really who do we need to bribe for a DITL in Florida already, flipping heck.

adequate duck · Sun May 21, 2017 5:15 pm

karma_yeah wrote:
adequate duck wrote:i didn't have my son until i was (just about to turn) 40, so to me they still have so many years left before they need to think about kids. it's perfectly possible to be good parents at 25 and 30 (or indeed even younger), but it's not necessary. i mean sure if they are together (which i do believe) and they want kids right now then they should, but they surely do not seem (to me) like they are in the right place for it right now.

25 and 30 seem impossibly old and mature and adult to many of you who are younger than that, but as someone who is old enough to be the parent of people who were complaining about being too old for phandom, they're still young - they could wait 10 or 15 or 20 years and still be young and energetic enough to raise a child.
As someone even older (probably), I whole-heartedly agree! My biological clock didn't go off until I was 30, (but when it went off it was more like a time bomb -- 'must have child NOW').

Granted, Phil is 30, but Dan is only 25, and may not be ready. Couple that with the fact that they aren't in their "forever home" (pun intended), and it's probably not quite the right time.

Also, I'd really like to see what direction their careers head in next. They had such a burst of creativity with the release of TABINOFF and TATINOFF that led to a lot of travel for them, so maybe they want to stabilize their careers first.

I wonder if they would feel fulfilled enough if they just made youtube videos and ran their merch shop? Is that a sustainable livelihood? Will viewers slowly age-out resulting in a decline in income? It certainly seems like they have been careful with their money and have probably made sound financial decisions, but there's no way to know how much they really made with TABINOFF and TATINOFF after expenses, or continue to make with merch.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love a baby , but for me, it seems too early.

i'll be 47 in a few days, so while i might not be the oldest idb-er, i'm probably in the top few. (i have never had any qualms about telling anyone my age or even my weight because i believe that neither are anything to be ashamed of, despite not being "ideal" or even "desirable")

i am really excited to hear about what they'll be up to next. they totally deserve some "slow" time at work, just videos with no other big work/life projects because if i'd had the last few years they'd had i'd probably still be sleeping recovering from tatinof tbh. i am hoping they write another book, but i have no idea what about, but i really like tabinof and dapgo, and i'd be first in line to buy a third one of theirs. but whatever it is, i'm sure they'll kick butt.

to the other parents of kids here - i love reading snippets of your life with your kids and deppy. my son (who i call mr7 online) is probably phil trash #2. he makes me prewatch all the dan v phils because if dan wins he gets really mad at him. mr 7 is totally a mini-dan tho, even down to the hobbit hair and the left-handedness, although he only has a really tiny dimple. he's even decided his bff is going to do youtube videos with him when they grow up, because "dan has phil"

vogonsrock · Sun May 21, 2017 5:27 pm

alittledizzy wrote:
thephandommenace wrote: Also the speculations about them being in their 30s might have been about Phil's parents, not Dan's (I remember speculating about it a few threads back). Though late 20s is also a possibility to me. It's all guesswork based on how Kath looks in various videos including the baby reaction videos that show her in the late 80s, rather than actual numbers.
Not relevant but I love Kath

From last year when this topic got brought up:

oqua wrote:When Dan was born, his mother was 26 and his father was 31. I've never understood why he thinks that counts as "quite young."
I'm also pretty sure Kath was 31 when Phil was born.

I remember being shocked when I realised the actual ages of Dan's parents when they had him. Definitely not the very young age he has implied. They were the exact ages my husband and I were when we had our first, and we were considered knocking on a bit where I'm from in the UK. Their ages were very much not considered young in the UK at that time period.

I would love to see them settled in their forever home with whatever pet or pets they want long before they think about children. I love mine but they really do change a relationship and it's not for everyone. Also I'm so sorry I can't remember who mentioned different ways of creating a family not just adoption, but I think it's something they'd seriously discuss. Phil in particular seems to have a really strong sense of a familial line, and might like to keep the Lester genes via himself going a bit longer.

Pure speculation of course. They might decide they don't want kids themselves after all (despite having mentioned that they'd like them someday), and be happy to be doting god parents, uncles or whatever, if the time comes.

adequate duck · Sun May 21, 2017 5:30 pm

vogonsrock wrote:
alittledizzy wrote:
thephandommenace wrote: Also the speculations about them being in their 30s might have been about Phil's parents, not Dan's (I remember speculating about it a few threads back). Though late 20s is also a possibility to me. It's all guesswork based on how Kath looks in various videos including the baby reaction videos that show her in the late 80s, rather than actual numbers.
Not relevant but I love Kath

From last year when this topic got brought up:

oqua wrote:When Dan was born, his mother was 26 and his father was 31. I've never understood why he thinks that counts as "quite young."
I'm also pretty sure Kath was 31 when Phil was born.
I remember being shocked when I realised the actual ages of Dan's parents when they had him. Definitely not the very young age he has implied. They were the exact ages my husband and I were when we had our first, and we were considered knocking on a bit where I'm from in the UK. Their ages were very much not considered young in the UK at that time period.

yeah, by "quite young" i was expecting teenagers, y'know. i mean my parents had me when they were 19 and 21, which i consider "a bit young". i guess it's all relative, compared with the age of your own parents and your friends parents and (if applicable) the age at which you became a parent.

colickygoat · Sun May 21, 2017 5:36 pm

fancybum · Sun May 21, 2017 5:58 pm

colickygoat wrote:
Okay, I'll try to explain things from my perspective. Please try to understand why somebody in my position might feel attacked, even if it wasn't your direct intention.

In my first post, I used soft opinion language for the most part:
"I think", "it's like", "to me", "consider".

I also used some strong opinion language:
"Really", "pretty likely", "much more likely", "I have no doubt".

A few instances of imploring language:
"Look at it this way", "have to consider", "should this not".

With exception to the final paragraph about the twins, I did not make any hard statements about my opinions and I did not use emotional or argumentative language. Every opinion used opinion language, and only objective facts were framed as hard statements. The tone was neutral.

I'm aware not all of the subsequent posts were in direct response to me, but they were part of the same conversation.

People used some soft opinion language:
"I think", "may be", "I guess", "seems", "I don't know".

Some strong opinion language:
"Clearly", "really, really", "definitely think", "as far as I'm concerned".

Assumptive language:
"Expect", "should be", "obviously".

A lot of emotional language:
"Fair/unfair", "feel", "awful", "shitty", "rubs me the wrong way", "sinister", "bullying", "backing them into a corner", "laughable", "bullshit", "actual human beings", "sensitive".

Argumentative language:
"Do you not understand", "how the fuck", "not at all relevant", "think about that".

Every single post used emotional language (though one was pretty mild and brought much more facts to the table than feels). With the exception of that one, every single post mixed opinion language with hard statements when presenting subjective opinions, and had either an upset or angry tone. Argumentative and angry emotional language were used directly toward me by one person and emphatically endorsed by another.

So how am I not supposed to feel attacked? With all the emotional and hard language, how am I not supposed to get the impression that most of you have a strong negative emotional response ("hate") to different opinions?

Maybe your intentions were harmless, but your actions were not.
Which, by the way, was my point about Shane that I expanded on in the second post. I believe his intentions are harmless, and I also believe that if D&P ask him directly to stop that he will. I respect if you disagree, it's just my honest opinion based on what I know about the situation.

Anyway I really don't want to argue. My only intention was to try to see things from Shane's perspective, because I do think it's not fair only to look at things from D&P's perspective, and then I got a little angry because people gave me the strong impression that it wasn't okay.

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Hi sorry if this is messy ! It's my first post! I was just lurking about not planning on saying anything... But you seem clearly upset about this and I felt like I had to say something. There's a way to disagree with people and there's a way not to. And whilst I found most of the people replying to you were doing so in a respectful manner there were a couple of instances that stood out to me as quite aggressive. Starting a post with "Do you not even understand" is basically akin to saying "Are you stupid or something" . Not in such strong words, but the implication is there and it is very patronizing. I'm sorry that was said to you. "How the fuck does....etc etc. " Is not using strong language simply for emphasis or punctuation. It's confrontational and aggressive and aimed directly at an individual as it is a question that you now have to answer and effing explain yourself please. Saying "Shit, I bumped my head and it fucking hurts!" is using strong language for emphasis and not harmful as it isn't aimed at anyone in particular. If language is a form of art you claim to have mastery over then the distinction should be clear.

Anyway I'm sorry you were spoken to in this manner.

[offtopic]Lol point me to where I claimed to have "mastery over language", please. Drag me all you want but don't put weird words in my mouth while doing so.[/offtopic]

Ashling Rae · Sun May 21, 2017 6:01 pm

I don't really think I'm comfortable making my own decision about whether or not they're ready. I will say I think they've dropped hints that they aren't. If they aren't ready for a dog, they probably aren't thinking of children. But that doesn't mean that couldn't change in the near future, and as has been mentioned before, it can take a while for that to happen. I will say that I think their current age is irrelevant. My best friend had her daughter at 16, and she's a good mom. My other close friend is 23 and just have birth to her third son yesterday. My sister was 21 with her first, and now at 29, has 4 children. The proper age for parenthood is very subjective. I don't think it's in their immediate future, but a lot can change in the next year or two. Who knows.

Sun May 21, 2017 6:14 pm

fancybum wrote:Chiming in as another one decidedly not hyped for them to have kids as that will bring an end to "Dan and Phil" as we know them. They've got too much of their own lives left to live before giving it up to the next generation. If they really need to bother with it at some point I hope they go the celebrity route of waiting for a career lull in like their late 40s. Also they've got all the time in the world as Phil is immortal, so what's the rush.

Also add me to the list of people who derive no excitement from the idea of them with kids. A dog? Sign me the fuck up. Kids? Eh. I am unmoved.

(Maybe it has something to do with how my biological clock has no batteries and sits collecting dust, forgotten behind a stack of student loan bills, future travel plans, and a hugely encompassing awareness that I can barely take care of myself, much less a kid, even if I did have the desire. Which I don't.)

You made a good point about it being the end of "Dan and Phil" as we know it when they start a family. I do think a lot of people panic over the idea of Dan and Phil moving on from youtube for another job, or just because they're tired of making videos, but don't stop to consider that it's definitely also likelihood if they have kids.

fancybum wrote:It's recently occurred to me that he's clearly a distant relative of Kenneth from 30 Rock (also an immortal) and that thought cracks me up at least a few times a day:

AmazingPhil explained in 20secs:

Explanation for all those those "Sleepless Nights"...

But really who do we need to bribe for a DITL in Florida already, flipping heck.

I've never seen anything more Phil in my life.

colickygoat · Sun May 21, 2017 6:17 pm

fancybum wrote:
colickygoat wrote:
Okay, I'll try to explain things from my perspective. Please try to understand why somebody in my position might feel attacked, even if it wasn't your direct intention.

In my first post, I used soft opinion language for the most part:
"I think", "it's like", "to me", "consider".

I also used some strong opinion language:
"Really", "pretty likely", "much more likely", "I have no doubt".

A few instances of imploring language:
"Look at it this way", "have to consider", "should this not".

With exception to the final paragraph about the twins, I did not make any hard statements about my opinions and I did not use emotional or argumentative language. Every opinion used opinion language, and only objective facts were framed as hard statements. The tone was neutral.

I'm aware not all of the subsequent posts were in direct response to me, but they were part of the same conversation.

People used some soft opinion language:
"I think", "may be", "I guess", "seems", "I don't know".

Some strong opinion language:
"Clearly", "really, really", "definitely think", "as far as I'm concerned".

Assumptive language:
"Expect", "should be", "obviously".

A lot of emotional language:
"Fair/unfair", "feel", "awful", "shitty", "rubs me the wrong way", "sinister", "bullying", "backing them into a corner", "laughable", "bullshit", "actual human beings", "sensitive".

Argumentative language:
"Do you not understand", "how the fuck", "not at all relevant", "think about that".

Every single post used emotional language (though one was pretty mild and brought much more facts to the table than feels). With the exception of that one, every single post mixed opinion language with hard statements when presenting subjective opinions, and had either an upset or angry tone. Argumentative and angry emotional language were used directly toward me by one person and emphatically endorsed by another.

So how am I not supposed to feel attacked? With all the emotional and hard language, how am I not supposed to get the impression that most of you have a strong negative emotional response ("hate") to different opinions?

Maybe your intentions were harmless, but your actions were not.
Which, by the way, was my point about Shane that I expanded on in the second post. I believe his intentions are harmless, and I also believe that if D&P ask him directly to stop that he will. I respect if you disagree, it's just my honest opinion based on what I know about the situation.

Anyway I really don't want to argue. My only intention was to try to see things from Shane's perspective, because I do think it's not fair only to look at things from D&P's perspective, and then I got a little angry because people gave me the strong impression that it wasn't okay.

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Hi sorry if this is messy ! It's my first post! I was just lurking about not planning on saying anything... But you seem clearly upset about this and I felt like I had to say something. There's a way to disagree with people and there's a way not to. And whilst I found most of the people replying to you were doing so in a respectful manner there were a couple of instances that stood out to me as quite aggressive. Starting a post with "Do you not even understand" is basically akin to saying "Are you stupid or something" . Not in such strong words, but the implication is there and it is very patronizing. I'm sorry that was said to you. "How the fuck does....etc etc. " Is not using strong language simply for emphasis or punctuation. It's confrontational and aggressive and aimed directly at an individual as it is a question that you now have to answer and effing explain yourself please. Saying "Shit, I bumped my head and it fucking hurts!" is using strong language for emphasis and not harmful as it isn't aimed at anyone in particular. If language is a form of art you claim to have mastery over then the distinction should be clear.

Anyway I'm sorry you were spoken to in this manner.
[offtopic]Lol point me to where I claimed to have "mastery over language", please. Drag me all you want but don't put weird words in my mouth while doing so.[/offtopic]

oh gosh, i'm still not sure how the replying on this site works.

To have mastery over something means that you are well versed in it , in this case language. I believe that is a fair conclusion to draw from your post. You spoke about language as an artform and about swearing as a way of expressing yourself thereby implying that you have a good grasp of language.

coffeepenguin · Sun May 21, 2017 6:30 pm

fancybum wrote:Chiming in as another one decidedly not hyped for them to have kids as that will bring an end to "Dan and Phil" as we know them. They've got too much of their own lives left to live before giving it up to the next generation. If they really need to bother with it at some point I hope they go the celebrity route of waiting for a career lull in like their late 40s. Also they've got all the time in the world as Phil is immortal, so what's the rush. It's recently occurred to me that he's clearly a distant relative of Kenneth from 30 Rock (also an immortal) and that thought cracks me up at least a few times a day:

AmazingPhil explained in 20secs:

Explanation for all those those "Sleepless Nights"...

But really who do we need to bribe for a DITL in Florida already, flipping heck.

1. Yes (Kenneth is the best!) 2. Yes!

In other news, I really liked the AP video, but I. Miss. The. Live. Shows. So. Much.

I'm also trying to gather my thoughts to write about the "this is not his real bedroom" thing because it got me a bit upset (I'm not upset about the posts here!), but I don't seem to have a brain anymore after the week I've had still, putting some things under spoiler here

malday · Sun May 21, 2017 6:37 pm

alittledizzy wrote:
fancybum wrote:Chiming in as another one decidedly not hyped for them to have kids as that will bring an end to "Dan and Phil" as we know them. They've got too much of their own lives left to live before giving it up to the next generation. If they really need to bother with it at some point I hope they go the celebrity route of waiting for a career lull in like their late 40s. Also they've got all the time in the world as Phil is immortal, so what's the rush.

Also add me to the list of people who derive no excitement from the idea of them with kids. A dog? Sign me the fuck up. Kids? Eh. I am unmoved.

+1
i want to see Phil's horror movie and read Dan's bildungsroman. those can be their creative offspring.

fancybum · Sun May 21, 2017 7:07 pm

colickygoat wrote:
fancybum wrote:
colickygoat wrote:
Okay, I'll try to explain things from my perspective. Please try to understand why somebody in my position might feel attacked, even if it wasn't your direct intention.

In my first post, I used soft opinion language for the most part:
"I think", "it's like", "to me", "consider".

I also used some strong opinion language:
"Really", "pretty likely", "much more likely", "I have no doubt".

A few instances of imploring language:
"Look at it this way", "have to consider", "should this not".

With exception to the final paragraph about the twins, I did not make any hard statements about my opinions and I did not use emotional or argumentative language. Every opinion used opinion language, and only objective facts were framed as hard statements. The tone was neutral.

I'm aware not all of the subsequent posts were in direct response to me, but they were part of the same conversation.

People used some soft opinion language:
"I think", "may be", "I guess", "seems", "I don't know".

Some strong opinion language:
"Clearly", "really, really", "definitely think", "as far as I'm concerned".

Assumptive language:
"Expect", "should be", "obviously".

A lot of emotional language:
"Fair/unfair", "feel", "awful", "shitty", "rubs me the wrong way", "sinister", "bullying", "backing them into a corner", "laughable", "bullshit", "actual human beings", "sensitive".

Argumentative language:
"Do you not understand", "how the fuck", "not at all relevant", "think about that".

Every single post used emotional language (though one was pretty mild and brought much more facts to the table than feels). With the exception of that one, every single post mixed opinion language with hard statements when presenting subjective opinions, and had either an upset or angry tone. Argumentative and angry emotional language were used directly toward me by one person and emphatically endorsed by another.

So how am I not supposed to feel attacked? With all the emotional and hard language, how am I not supposed to get the impression that most of you have a strong negative emotional response ("hate") to different opinions?

Maybe your intentions were harmless, but your actions were not.
Which, by the way, was my point about Shane that I expanded on in the second post. I believe his intentions are harmless, and I also believe that if D&P ask him directly to stop that he will. I respect if you disagree, it's just my honest opinion based on what I know about the situation.

Anyway I really don't want to argue. My only intention was to try to see things from Shane's perspective, because I do think it's not fair only to look at things from D&P's perspective, and then I got a little angry because people gave me the strong impression that it wasn't okay.

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Hi sorry if this is messy ! It's my first post! I was just lurking about not planning on saying anything... But you seem clearly upset about this and I felt like I had to say something. There's a way to disagree with people and there's a way not to. And whilst I found most of the people replying to you were doing so in a respectful manner there were a couple of instances that stood out to me as quite aggressive. Starting a post with "Do you not even understand" is basically akin to saying "Are you stupid or something" . Not in such strong words, but the implication is there and it is very patronizing. I'm sorry that was said to you. "How the fuck does....etc etc. " Is not using strong language simply for emphasis or punctuation. It's confrontational and aggressive and aimed directly at an individual as it is a question that you now have to answer and effing explain yourself please. Saying "Shit, I bumped my head and it fucking hurts!" is using strong language for emphasis and not harmful as it isn't aimed at anyone in particular. If language is a form of art you claim to have mastery over then the distinction should be clear.

Anyway I'm sorry you were spoken to in this manner.
[offtopic]Lol point me to where I claimed to have "mastery over language", please. Drag me all you want but don't put weird words in my mouth while doing so.[/offtopic]
oh gosh, i'm still not sure how the replying on this site works.

To have mastery over something means that you are well versed in it , in this case language. I believe that is a fair conclusion to draw from your post. You spoke about language as an artform and about swearing as a way of expressing yourself thereby implying that you have a good grasp of language.

[offtopic]I think a fairer conclusion to draw is that I just enjoy swearing. If that's the only thing you took away from my post, then it's quite clear I very much don't have mastery over language in any way so [/offtopic]

coffeepenguin wrote: 1. Yes (Kenneth is the best!) 2. Yes!

In other news, I really liked the AP video, but I. Miss. The. Live. Shows. So. Much. I'm also trying to gather my thoughts to write about the "this is not his real bedroom" thing because it got me a bit upset (I'm not upset about the posts here!), but I don't seem to have a brain anymore after the week I've had still, putting some things under spoiler here
You know, I'm usually one to advocate for believing somebody until it's been irrevocably disproven, presumption of innocence and all that. With Deppy, they've been sufficiently open with us lately, there are pretty much no or very few instances of them outright lying any more, they might conceal information, but not misrepresent it. Even with the dreaded busgate, I think we can all agree, the rock-paper-scissors skit they put in the documentary is transparent enough (what were the actual sleeping arrangements doesn't matter, it's about how they treat it as an information to be or not to be shared). It's making fun of the fandom, yes, but it's all in good fun. Now, with Phil's new bedroom, or at least that's how it's being presented, I first saw few reasons not to believe them. But now with the reflection... that room is TINY!!! And I'm sorry, mate, but in no way it's the same as your previous one, although you keep insisting. What are those valentine's day flowers even doing there? I mean, if you want to have a set as a background, I'm all for it, just don't treat your audience as if we're dumb, we're not, I swear (even if reading your twitter replies might leave you thinking otherwise). I'm not asking that they show us their bed(s), it's their right to privacy and I fully respect it, I'm just a bit upset, I thought we were over this

Same boat, really hoping for a liveshow this Tuesday... If it's been this long, would they go joint? Or maybe it'll be until Thursday still.. Are they ever leaving Florida?

And hoo boy I've been trying to ignore every aspect of the bed conversation because I actually do find it upsetting, but probably for an opposite reason than you're finding it (the bed thing in general, not the convo) bothersome. But anything I say about it will inevitably be said with my aggressive and naughty language and we're all just trying to have a good PG time here apparently. A storm's a-brewin though, but I'll just bitch about it to my cat instead.

I hope this week is better to you than the last.

alittledizzy wrote: I've never seen anything more Phil in my life.

inorite, it's the only thing giving me life right now.

Sun May 21, 2017 7:24 pm

I wouldn't be surprised if it's a joint liveshow, just because that gives them better setup for ignoring fan questions that they don't want to answer. Dan in a liveshow by himself is way too easily led into oversharing, but with Phil there to sharply turn the subject he gives away a lot less.

flarequake · Sun May 21, 2017 7:38 pm

Mmm, Phil's horror movie and Dan's Bildungsroman (thank you and google, I just learned a word) sound just right. I would love to see their, separate, takes on fiction. I would want Phil to make more of an effort than the silly hand fic, I wasn't sold on it at all, and hopefully they'd be edited properly as Dan was pretty flowery. He has a lovely vocabulary, but it can get in the way of the story sometimes.

I'm really not 100% convinced by Phil's new room being so small. It isn't exactly the same anyway with an entirely different chest of drawers and bedside table, but it's so cramped the bed being there to make it a bedroom set is so contrived. I understand his reasons, but it's a shame.

On holding hands, I loved the way Dan grabbed Phil's hand to hold it out the way while he slapped the banana more onto Phil's back. Quite dominant coupled with Dan being a little bigger than Phil, I was amused

It was a while ago now, but one point on shipping, I'd been in and out of fandoms for 15 years and never got into shipping in Harry Potter etc much, then this was the first one involving real people. It surprised me a lot, but since the guys accept it to a point then whatever I guess. I get it's for us and we keep it out of their way, but it doesn't seem to work. Deps use social media more than some so they probably stumble upon it and it's messy when people on Tumblr don't listen and put so much in their tags instead of phan

Hmm, good point on the next liveshow alittledizzy, you might be right. It's funny how they do some things on purpose and whether we realise or not.

loonyradish · Sun May 21, 2017 7:46 pm

JustMe wrote:Anyone else totally miss that they (sort of) held hands for a second in the new video??:
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I know this doesn't mean anything, but I'm still fangirling about it

Also, how did anyone notice that? I feel so inattentive, I didn't notice the reflection in the 8 ball either!
I'm glad I have you guys so I don't miss out all the details.

adequate duck · Sun May 21, 2017 7:52 pm

loonyradish wrote: Also, how did anyone notice that? I feel so inattentive, I didn't notice the reflection in the 8 ball either!
I'm glad I have you guys so I don't miss out all the details.

ikr? i am quite possibly the least observant person on the face of the planet so i completely need idb and it's crack team of detectives to give me the info so i can be the kind of i aspire to be.

flarequake · Sun May 21, 2017 7:58 pm

I noticed Dan holding Phil's hand away so he could stuff the banana peel down further because that sort of playful dominant display makes me laugh so much and I find it kinda cute. I can't see much in the 8-ball really, I guess there's a wall or fitted wardrobes It just annoys me that Phil doesn't move the chest of drawers up a smidge (maybe there's something I need the way, who knows) so he could feasibly open a drawer without them banging into the bedside table

pearshaped34 · Sun May 21, 2017 8:23 pm

I'd like to join the list of people who are not at all hyped for Deppy plus kids.
I agree with others who figure when they do start a family it will be the end of an era for "Dan and Phil" and even if they keep on doing youtube afterwards it will be in a different capacity to they do now. I imagine the people who are always longing for them to share more now will probably look back and remember these as the glory days when D&P were so open and sharing with fans once a baby is in the mix.

And in all honesty even in the unlikely event D&P had a child and wanted to share with us I'm still not hyped as I'm not here for baby talk, I don't Oooo and aww at baby pictures and I loathe family vlogging (although even suggesting Deppy would do that seems kind of ludicrous to me). So yeah I'm hoping D&P don't plan on kids for many years to come.
(Disclaimer yes I know they very well may not even be a couple)

Regarding Phil's bedroom I'm not sure anything will ever convince me that is more than his filming space but that being said I'm not convinced that means he has to be sharing with Dan either. For an apartment the size that one seems to be (two large living rooms etc) it's entirely plausible if not likely they would be two master sized bedrooms. So potentially Phil could also have his own off camera bedroom and he just decided to be less honest about no longer showing fans his bedroom than Dan was.

I'd be interested to see Dan's though if only to see how much larger it is in than Phil's.
The fact he'd take the master when he's also using part of the living room as his filming space and Phil is using his room for both does seem about as fair as Phil taking the double bed while Dan folded himself into one of the bunks to me.
I'm not holding my breath to Dan's though, I have a feeling he'll have no sketch ideas that require the use of a bed in the near future.

flarequake wrote: I'm really not 100% convinced by Phil's new room being so small. It isn't exactly the same anyway with an entirely different chest of drawers and bedside table, but it's so cramped the bed being there to make it a bedroom set is so contrived. I understand his reasons, but it's a shame.

Also it's a new bed frame as the wicker one was the old landlords. So as well as the room halving in size literally every major piece of furniture we can see has changed. And most of the accessories while might mostly be from the old house weren't his background accessories from his other room. I think the emoji cushion and the bed sheets might be all that's the same.
Them trying to sell it as being exactly the same room is a head scratcher.

Susanisnotafish · Sun May 21, 2017 9:27 pm

One thing to cheer up those who worry deppy will leave YouTube before having kids: they've both indirectly stated they will do YouTube forever. I do agree tho that it seems they would share no footage of a child. I don't know how to reconcile them saying they want kids and they'll never leave YouTube.

Also, I think someone suggested these theories before, but I think the mysterious thing in Feb could be they were working on turning the Mark of Oxin into something others could play. As for the stressful March for Dan, I wonder if his parents could have divorced. I also wonder if he might be contemplating a main channel vid about divorce and will include his personal experience. Since he plans his vid order so far in advance, that could be why we should ask in August, bc if he hasn't made the vid by then, maybe he will just tell us in a ls.