Dan & Phil Part 33: #JustBroThings

[majitzu]

me every single day since the boncas

also me

same

[fancybum]

When it comes to fancybum's post it seems like there's no point in responding since they won't see it. Oh well, my point didn't seem to come across to them correctly anyway.

Ok just for fun: what was your point beyond "leave if you don't like it"?

[MoonPride]

Regarding Phil looking at the screen when Dan leaned into him staring, I wouldn't read that as all acting. Daily vloggers sometimes watch themselves in the view finder when filming, it doesn't mean they are trying to decieve the audience or anything. I think some people are so shocked about how close they have been acting they are trying to find anything that they can pick holes in that could maybe disprove phan actually being real and it's all just for views ans money.

Phil's looking at the camera though, the monitor is to Dan's right so I think maybe he just didn't know Dan was staring at him like that lol. I enjoy the idea of Dan editing this when Phil wasn't there so when Phil probably saw the edit to check before it went live, if he even did, he was prolly like lol wtf were you doing.

But he was making a point when he looked at the camera on his Santa rant so why would he not make eye contact with the camera? I don't see anything shady or fake about it.

[papierklemmen]

fancybum, thank you, i'm glad you brought up the topic, even if it didn't go that well. the gaymas thing has been screaming microagression to me from the very start, but i decided to stay silent because i'm not articulate enough to speak on such matters.

as for their touching/"baiting" moments, i do believe they could have their reasons for deliberate fanservice. it could be mocking and trolling done in a subtle way that comes across very differently from their original intentions. it could be their pinof8 reaction, maybe they snapped after seeing all the "dance, monkey, dance"-esque requests on twitter ("kiss!" "propose!" "fuck on screen!!!"). maybe they're working on something they know the fanbase won't appreciate and are luring them in with fanservice prematurely.
i just choose to believe they are not the kind to queerbait people, no matter how cray and "deserving" of mockery half of their fanbase is.

[MoonPride]

I really do not think Dan and Phil are that evil to lure us all in with baiting. I know Dan is a little shit at times but he cares about what people think of him and I can't imagine he would be sat behind his laptop screen mocking those who are thinking that he and Phil are both in love.

[eevee]

Ok just for fun: what was your point beyond "leave if you don't like it"?

I probably shouldn't have put that sentence until the end because I feel like it distracted you from what I was trying to say. I think the way you reacted to gaymas and busgate was intense, aggressive, and uncalled for. I felt like you were shaming people/the majority of the forum for having a different idea of respect than you do. We all have different ideas of what's okay to discuss and what's going too far, but I don't see people attacking each other over it. If someone spoke up like that every time they were personally uncomfortable with a topic, effectively guilt-tripping everyone to stop talking about it, there'd be nothing left to discuss. The line is in a different place for everyone, so this site was created with rules that draw the lines for us. Because of these rules, I don't see room to attack people for drawing the line in a different place than you do. I think was also what trashqueen was saying when she talked about moral compass.

I in no way was accusing you of breaking a rule (I think that's what you interpreted from what I said?) And I am also not telling you to leave if you don't want to. However you seem so uncomfortable with the topics of discussion here that my best suggestion is to not read the posts that upset you. If said posts are all the posts, then...yeah.

[ducksss]

Hi, de-lurking just to say that when I saw Dan's festive vibes tweet I immediately tought of this reddit pic that was posted yesterday morning he obviously tought it was funny so he's making a subtle reference:
(NSFW? It's just words) https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments ... w_we_wait/

Don't know if you already knew, but I didn't see anyone point it out so I did it.

[trashqueen]

Ok just for fun: what was your point beyond "leave if you don't like it"?

I probably shouldn't have put that sentence until the end because I feel like it distracted you from what I was trying to say. I think the way you reacted to gaymas and busgate was intense, aggressive, and uncalled for. I felt like you were shaming people/the majority of the forum for having a different idea of respect than you do. We all have different ideas of what's okay to discuss and what's going too far, but I don't see people attacking each other over it. If someone spoke up like that every time they were personally uncomfortable with a topic, effectively guilt-tripping everyone to stop talking about it, there'd be nothing left to discuss. The line is in a different place for everyone, so this site was created with rules that draw the lines for us. Because of these rules, I don't see room to attack people for drawing the line in a different place than you do. I think was also what trashqueen was saying when she talked about moral compass.

I in no way was accusing you of breaking a rule (I think that's what you interpreted from what I said?) And I am also not telling you to leave if you don't want to. However you seem so uncomfortable with the topics of discussion here that my best suggestion is to not read the posts that upset you. If said posts are all the posts, then...yeah.

here to say that yup, that's what i meant, in my more aggressive way to say it

[fancybum]

Ok just for fun: what was your point beyond "leave if you don't like it"?

I probably shouldn't have put that sentence until the end because I feel like it distracted you from what I was trying to say. I think the way you reacted to gaymas and busgate was intense, aggressive, and uncalled for. I felt like you were shaming people/the majority of the forum for having a different idea of respect than you do. We all have different ideas of what's okay to discuss and what's going too far, but I don't see people attacking each other over it. If someone spoke up like that every time they were personally uncomfortable with a topic, effectively guilt-tripping everyone to stop talking about it, there'd be nothing left to discuss. The line is in a different place for everyone, so this site was created with rules that draw the lines for us. Because of these rules, I don't see room to attack people for drawing the line in a different place than you do. I think was also what trashqueen was saying when she talked about moral compass.

I in no way was accusing you of breaking a rule (I think that's what you interpreted from what I said?) And I am also not telling you to leave if you don't want to. However you seem so uncomfortable with the topics of discussion here that my best suggestion is to not read the posts that upset you. If said posts are all the posts, then...yeah.

It's not all the posts though, it's the few posts I'm specifically talking about and taking issue with (and I didn't tell anybody to leave or to censor themselves over it, I was asking for actual feedback to explain the disconnect between the usual respectful tone around here and the use of a term I found to be unnecessary at best and was maybe being used too casually without examining why). If you want to examine why (and if you don't, that's fine, nobody is forcing you to engage with my post just as you said nobody is expected to engage with topics (like family) they're uncomfortable with when they come up) and determined you're fine with using it even after having someone explain what their issue with it is (and other people agreed), then you do you. If you want to dismiss my post because I'm too worked up to be taken seriously, do that too. I took your point moreso as "I'm not breaking rules and therefore find your complaining (or attacking) annoying and baseless so shut up and leave" but ok, that's not what you meant. I think we'll just agree to disagree on mostly everything.

and trashqueen the problem isn't that gay is a bad word and we all know it. everybody can use whatever words they want for themselves and people in their lives and understand the contexts etc. but the world is not just our personal connections, the world is #brexit and president Trump. Words mean actual things beyond our own little bubbles and one person calling it gaymas is cute and affectionate while another calling it that is using it as a slur or an unwanted label. But you don't care where I'm coming from because you disagree so again, whatever, this won't get us anywhere. Enjoy gaymas, busgate, your entire life, we all agree to disagree (or just disagree).

[gnostic]

Ok just for fun: what was your point beyond "leave if you don't like it"?

I probably shouldn't have put that sentence until the end because I feel like it distracted you from what I was trying to say. I think the way you reacted to gaymas and busgate was intense, aggressive, and uncalled for. I felt like you were shaming people/the majority of the forum for having a different idea of respect than you do. We all have different ideas of what's okay to discuss and what's going too far, but I don't see people attacking each other over it. If someone spoke up like that every time they were personally uncomfortable with a topic, effectively guilt-tripping everyone to stop talking about it, there'd be nothing left to discuss. The line is in a different place for everyone, so this site was created with rules that draw the lines for us. Because of these rules, I don't see room to attack people for drawing the line in a different place than you do. I think was also what trashqueen was saying when she talked about moral compass.

I in no way was accusing you of breaking a rule (I think that's what you interpreted from what I said?) And I am also not telling you to leave if you don't want to. However you seem so uncomfortable with the topics of discussion here that my best suggestion is to not read the posts that upset you. If said posts are all the posts, then...yeah.

It's not all the posts though, it's the few posts I'm specifically talking about and taking issue with (and I didn't tell anybody to leave or to censor themselves over it, I was asking for actual feedback to explain the disconnect between the usual respectful tone around here and the use of a term I found to be unnecessary at best and was maybe being used too casually without examining why). If you want to examine why (and if you don't, that's fine, nobody is forcing you to engage with my post just as you said nobody is expected to engage with topics (like family) they're uncomfortable with when they come up) and determined you're fine with using it even after having someone explain what their issue with it is (and other people agreed), then you do you. If you want to dismiss my post because I'm too worked up to be taken seriously, do that too. I took your point moreso as "I'm not breaking rules and therefore find your complaining (or attacking) annoying and baseless so shut up and leave" but ok, that's not what you meant. I think we'll just agree to disagree on mostly everything.

and trashqueen the problem isn't that gay is a bad word and we all know it. everybody can use whatever words they want for themselves and people in their lives and understand the contexts etc. but the world is not just our personal connections, the world is #brexit and president Trump. Words mean actual things beyond our own little bubbles and one person calling it gaymas is cute and affectionate while another calling it that is using it as a slur or an unwanted label. But you don't care where I'm coming from because you disagree so again, whatever, this won't get us anywhere. Enjoy gaymas, busgate, your entire life, we all agree to disagree (or just disagree).

So am I not allowed to make gay jokes now? Only bisexual jokes? Or none at all? I like them when they come from our side

I dont want and don't have time to debate further but I suguest you educate yourself on reclaiming words if you want to bring up slurs.

[fleur-de-lis]

Hi, de-lurking just to say that when I saw Dan's festive vibes tweet I immediately tought of this reddit pic that was posted yesterday morning he obviously tought it was funny so he's making a subtle reference:
(NSFW? It's just words) https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments ... w_we_wait/

Don't know if you already knew, but I didn't see anyone point it out so I did it.

Suddenly everything makes much more sense

[hiddenwombat]

Hi, de-lurking just to say that when I saw Dan's festive vibes tweet I immediately tought of this reddit pic that was posted yesterday morning he obviously tought it was funny so he's making a subtle reference:
(NSFW? It's just words) https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments ... w_we_wait/

Don't know if you already knew, but I didn't see anyone point it out so I did it.

i think he spends more time browsing reddit than tumblr. i can see him reading every single answer in an askreddit thread or going through all the juicy r/relationships topics. its SO easy to lose a whole day to reddit.

(also one of the few places untouched by the phandom. a little internet dan sanctuary. a danctuary.)

[trashqueen]

and trashqueen the problem isn't that gay is a bad word and we all know it. everybody can use whatever words they want for themselves and people in their lives and understand the contexts etc. but the world is not just our personal connections, the world is #brexit and president Trump. Words mean actual things beyond our own little bubbles and one person calling it gaymas is cute and affectionate while another calling it that is using it as a slur or an unwanted label. But you don't care where I'm coming from because you disagree so again, whatever, this won't get us anywhere. Enjoy gaymas, busgate, your entire life, we all agree to disagree (or just disagree).

but dude, i'm not calling it gaymas in a published article in the new york times that's gonna be read by thousands of people, i'm calling it gaymas in a forum where i've been posting for over a year and people know (or can easily search for) my personal opinions and why i'm saying it, that's why i said context matters, it's also a forum where most people are on the same page when it comes to lgbt issues and people that are not usually let us know in way more direct ways than a pun on gamemas

and it's not that i don't care where you're coming from, i'm fine disagreeing with people about things, what i'm not fine with is people telling me that i'm wrong and inferior to them in a passive aggressive way

if what you're taking from mine or eevee's post is that we're incredibly offended by you not agreeing with us you're not getting the point at all, idgaf what you think, i give a fuck about the lack of respect you have for other people when discussing subjective matters, especially because of how it affects the mood of the forum

[majitzu]

It has just been pointed out to me by @infiniteabbi that Phil is wearing the same suit to a real wedding today that he wore in Dil’s wedding video. Shook.

If it looks good why change it? Phil is like me

[hmm]

Someone just posted on the guru gossip dan and phil page

Is there another website everyone from here uses? This used to be way more active

poor thing what's the drill does someone pm them?
laughing at how accurate they are though- it's like they have a fifth sense or something ~mean girls~

[dan]

Hi, de-lurking just to say that when I saw Dan's festive vibes tweet I immediately tought of this reddit pic that was posted yesterday morning he obviously tought it was funny so he's making a subtle reference:
(NSFW? It's just words) https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments ... w_we_wait/

Don't know if you already knew, but I didn't see anyone point it out so I did it.

i think the worst part about this is knowing dan is subscribed to r/funny (considering he used to talk about circle jerking so much in liveshows)

[jesuisunèléve]

@fancybum

I understand that this is something you really care about, and something that's really bothered you. I'm not going to criticize you for that. I would hate to be criticized for what triggers me...and I know you tried to do that, and I'm not the only one you dragged in your post, but I'm not going to fight fire with fire. So this is what I'm going to say:

This is a gossip forum. We are dedicated to speculation about two youtube personalities who chose this career path. There are rules in place to protect their privacy, such as discussing specific location. If the rules are not comprehensive enough for your comfort level, you are free to move to a different platform.

I'm not just saying this because you're uncomfortable with one term that we coined, you're uncomfortable with one of the main topics of discussion that's been going on for months. And the reason you're uncomfortable is because you feel the speculation, the gossip, the entitlement is going too far.

And that's a valid way to feel. We all have different comfort levels here, which is made especially visible when we discuss family. Some people choose not to participate in those conversations because they feel such speculation is inappropriate.

They don't, however, indirect many, many people on this forum in a passive-aggressive way. They don't rag on everything this forum was basically made for. I realize it's on the grounds of respect, but like I said, that's why we have rules here. When you sign up for the forum, you agree to the rules, which are lines drawn for you.

I'm sorry you're uncomfortable with this forum, I'm sorry we've driven you to feel this way, but no one here deserves to be attacked like this.

+1

My Two Cents (for what they are worth):

Gayming-Mas or Gaming-Mas. It's a play on words.

I am seeing the coined-term as being taken personally by some on the forums, and it shouldn't be. This is a humorous word made possible because Deppy, after all of the issues they brought about to NOT appear together, are now throwing all of those old theories out of the window. Those theories they have subscribed to for years to make sure everyone knew they were two seperate people.

Now? Well, Phil threw the closet door open for them at the Boncas and it seems like we are on a whole new trajectory with Deppy. It's refreshing AF.

That being said, these forums are not a place for social commentary on what is or is not appropriate. We are a selective audience, and there are rules in place. We can't take ourselves too seriously on here, to be honest, because we are gossiping about two bros (lol) who have created this path for themselves (I think this has been said?) and it's fun and light-hearted.

Just because we subscribe to a certain label for ourselves doesn't mean everyone else has to follow along. LGBQT, black, brown...it doesn't matter, really, because we are all people. Being easily offended, though, is worrysome, because how can anyone function in this life if they are easily offended?

For example, all of the memes that came out about Black Folks and Thanksgiving. I thought they were hilarious. My friend thought them racist, and I told her, they aren't racist because they are true, and they are not racist because they have been noted by someone other than yourself.

There are extremes to this example which no one should put up with, but I won't get to those here. No one is calling anyone anything that is hateful or shaming or just flat out wrong.

Even if someone WERE to be offended easily in this type of situation as stated upthread, there's this glorious, all-knowing THING we can do: Ignore it and do not engage.

[missemma]

Hi, de-lurking just to say that when I saw Dan's festive vibes tweet I immediately tought of this reddit pic that was posted yesterday morning he obviously tought it was funny so he's making a subtle reference:
(NSFW? It's just words) https://www.reddit.com/r/funny/comments ... w_we_wait/

Don't know if you already knew, but I didn't see anyone point it out so I did it.

Oh thank you for explaining this, I just thought it was Dan trolling everyone!

[papierklemmen]

Now? Well, Phil threw the closet door open for them at the Boncas and it seems like we are on a whole new trajectory with Deppy. It's refreshing AF.

sorry for changing the subject, i wasn't here during the boncas discussion, can you explain how he "threw the closet door open for them"? is it because he asked dan to come up on stage? i thought it was only fair since they worked as a duo 24/7, it's not really indicative of a non-platonic relationship.

[eevee]

That being said, these forums are not a place for social commentary on what is or is not appropriate. We are a selective audience, and there are rules in place. We can't take ourselves too seriously on here, to be honest, because we are gossiping about two bros (lol) who have created this path for themselves (I think this has been said?) and it's fun and light-hearted.

I agree with your whole post but I'm quoting this part because it's totally what I was trying to get at, thanks for putting it into words!

[offtopic]Every time I contemplate if Dan and Phil are staying together this Christmas or splitting up, why or why not, how normal is that, what do other couples do, what do other young adults do, bla bla bla...I realized I actually have no idea what any young adults or couples do for Christmas other than myself and a few close friends! So, I have made a quick survey to try to gauge what's the norm (although families come in all shapes and sizes and there probably isn't really much of a norm!) out of curiosity, really. Although this curiosity did come from thinking about Dan and Phil...hahaha

This is a survey about your relationship status and what you do for Christmas. It is geared towards people who are 18+ (I assume if you're under 18, you do whatever your parents/families do for the holidays with them) and celebrate Christmas. The reason for the Christmas part is because dan and phil celebrate Christmas so that's what i'm interested in...but a similar big family winter holiday would work, too!

it is anonymous to take! I'd be sooooo happy if you guys would take it for me!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/8XPJZ2W[/offtopic]

[jesp]

Someone just posted on the guru gossip dan and phil page

Is there another website everyone from here uses? This used to be way more active

poor thing what's the drill does someone pm them?

It looks like they have already found their way over here.

[poweredbywords]

Their constant use of the word "our" today instead of "the" or "my" has me thinking... #phandivorce is going to be so much work to sort out, they share almost everything--the giant mug collection, video game stuff, their lights/cameras/general video recording stuff, their DVD collection. Plus dan saved the houseplant, so it's only fair he gets partial custody.

(also i can't believe they paid money for "running with scissors," even my *thirsty for LGBT+ rep* ass can't rewatch that...good thing they're millionaires )

Also, I'm just so happy we've been introduced to this new adult-y phil. I had timestamps and lost ALL OF IT ( ) but his sass this video was just off the charts, and his stubbornness at 7:20 has me . Dan's always promised a Sassy/Stubborn Phil and he's finally been delivered. It's so nice to meet him

10:15 where they're asked if it's a dog and dan's like "I wish"... ffs is it #DeppyNeedsStorage or #DeppyNeedsADog? FFS DAN YOU CAN ONLY HAVE ONE HASHTAG AT A TIME

[jesuisunèléve]

Now? Well, Phil threw the closet door open for them at the Boncas and it seems like we are on a whole new trajectory with Deppy. It's refreshing AF.

sorry for changing the subject, i wasn't here during the boncas discussion, can you explain how he "threw the closet door open for them"? is it because he asked dan to come up on stage? i thought it was only fair since they worked as a duo 24/7, it's not really indicative of a non-platonic relationship.

Read what you just wrote, you answered your own question

Phil's award was Creator of the Year. No Dan, not Dan and Phil, but Phil. That award belongs to no one else but him. He didn't have to share, especially since there was really nothing to share, but he decided to show the world that even though he won that award as a sole creator, he chose to share it with the person who has been by his side for what, 7 years? So there is no "fair", as you say, about it. That was Phil's award, he didn't have to bring Dan up with him.

"They worked as a duo 24/7": they have separate channels, so on the surface they do not. Phil has his own content and so does Dan. It could be they ask for advice from one another, but there is a big difference between content between the two channels.

Does that help?

[jesuisunèléve]

That being said, these forums are not a place for social commentary on what is or is not appropriate. We are a selective audience, and there are rules in place. We can't take ourselves too seriously on here, to be honest, because we are gossiping about two bros (lol) who have created this path for themselves (I think this has been said?) and it's fun and light-hearted.

I agree with your whole post but I'm quoting this part because it's totally what I was trying to get at, thanks for putting it into words!



[offtopic]Every time I contemplate if Dan and Phil are staying together this Christmas or splitting up, why or why not, how normal is that, what do other couples do, what do other young adults do, bla bla bla...I realized I actually have no idea what any young adults or couples do for Christmas other than myself and a few close friends! So, I have made a quick survey to try to gauge what's the norm (although families come in all shapes and sizes and there probably isn't really much of a norm!) out of curiosity, really. Although this curiosity did come from thinking about Dan and Phil...hahaha

This is a survey about your relationship status and what you do for Christmas. It is geared towards people who are 18+ (I assume if you're under 18, you do whatever your parents/families do for the holidays with them) and celebrate Christmas. The reason for the Christmas part is because dan and phil celebrate Christmas so that's what i'm interested in...but a similar big family winter holiday would work, too!

it is anonymous to take! I'd be sooooo happy if you guys would take it for me!

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/8XPJZ2W[/offtopic]

I have a friend in the UK who says Christmas is about spending time with family if you get along with them or not, so it's not unusual for Phil to go to his family while Dan goes to his. I'm in the US and I told her nope, if we don't like you we don't spend time with you

[MoonPride]

Regarding Christmas I really think the only reason Dan goes home and not home with Phil is because of his Grandma. I also really get the feeling Dan's parents resent Phil and feel like he is the reason Dan gave up on uni. This is just my assumption and to save any bad atmosphere it's easier to spend Christmas apart.

Why is anyone thinking #phandivorce is a thing? They are going to be living together until they are old and grey.