Dan & Phil Part 79: calm down there bub

[Ataraxia25]

oh wait i forgot : can we talk about how cute it is that dan sleeps holding a pillow? all night long?

[autumnhearth]

oh wait i forgot : can we talk about how cute it is that dan sleeps holding a pillow? all night long?

Yesss it was nice to hear that he still does that. I also sleep best while hugging a pillow and being spooned (and sleep on Dan’s side of the bed

[knq]

Phil is so goddamn patient. Sometimes when I see them in a liveshow together it just strikes me anew how patient and in love Phil is. Another monologue about Dan’s struggle with profile pictures? Sure fine Phil is here for it.

Like, when they were still doing ‘Phil time’ or Dan time at the end of their shows in 2012 or 2013 or whatever, that was such a good time to see how patient they both—but mostly Phil—are with each other. Like, you want to talk about your new T-shirt and whether it makes you look like a hipster for 20 minutes? Sure, sure, hey let’s takes a poll of shirt opinions from the audience that’ll help.

I love Phil tolerating Dan’s tangents. Tangents which required less patience and made me laugh this liveshow included the relevance and stock forecast for hexagons compared to other shapes and the four or five “tastes” of deodorant and candles. I loved Phil refusing to meet halfway and calling Dan a hater. You call him out bb

It’s nice to see them both looking healthy and full of bants. This liveshow has also taught me that Dan’s memory for anything other that Phil facts is pretty terrible.

[Catallena]

I didn't really watch the liveshow and just had it on as background noise while I was doing other stuff, but that was quite lovely wasn't it? All the domestic giggling, bickering and banter I could wish for. Phil was sassy, Dan was Dan. I'm glad I put it on, made my evening a lot nicer. I couldn't stop giggling at the 'cookie' bit, I'm incredibly soft over Return of the Codex: Festive Beverage Edition, and I love that even for their own merch they still won't sell anything that doesn't have the approval stamp of the other.

Oh and uh...



Talk EU legislation and Brexit to me Phil.

[flarequake]

Just caught up, that was a lovely liveshow in many ways. I’m looking forward to seeing the rest of the merch. It was funny hearing them address the armchair diagnoses and all the pinof in the chat. Interesting that they’re going with s different festive food for the codex, I guess it would get boring to do mince pies again even if some shops had something different this year.

[sweetlyphan]

I have posted this on tumblr as well. This is something I noticed and didn't see anyone talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Dan and Phil say duvet to mean any general blanket on a bed. When Phil was saying he had trouble turning the duvet inside out, Dan agreed saying he usually has a similar issue but a few days ago he had done it perfectly. From what we’ve seen of the moon room Dan doesn’t have a duvet anymore. So why would Dan be struggling to make a bed with a duvet if he doesn’t have one? Unless they both were calling the blanket in the moon room a duvet. On top of that why would he be concerned with making his bed the same way as Phil if they supposedly sleep in separate rooms (as they’d like us to believe).

[lesterchuu]

hello wonderful people! on behalf of the phandom watch fest crew, weve got some fun things planned for this year's pinof season!

our special phandom watch fest: pinof marathon! on sunday, nov. 25th, we will meet up and watch all of the previous pinofs together through rabb.it. we can chat, freak out, or simply reminisce the old times... (or complain about phil's flat emo hair, but you know we're in a better timeline now) there will be two showings as per usual (1PM UTC and 7PM UTC), so come join us when you can!

link for the watch fest thread / link for the tumblr post / phandom watch fest twitter

and if you guys haven't seen it yet, we are doing a special IDB game with everyone! we wanted to brainstorm ways to make this year's pinof a little bit special so we decided to do a classic forum game...but with a twist.
this is open for EVERYONE and the goal for this is to have fun! the intro/prompt will be posted tomorrow Nov. 19th, so don't forget to check it out!

link for the story game thread / link for the tumblr post

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every reblog/retweet are much appreciated!

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#idbspon

[Secretstanner]

I have posted this on tumblr as well. This is something I noticed and didn't see anyone talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Dan and Phil say duvet to mean any general blanket on a bed. When Phil was saying he had trouble turning the duvet inside out, Dan agreed saying he usually has a similar issue but a few days ago he had done it perfectly. From what we’ve seen of the moon room Dan doesn’t have a duvet anymore. So why would Dan be struggling to make a bed with a duvet if he doesn’t have one? Unless they both were calling the blanket in the moon room a duvet. On top of that why would he be concerned with making his bed the same way as Phil if they supposedly sleep in separate rooms (as they’d like us to believe).

Pretty sure dan does sleep with a duvet. The grey thing on his bed isn’t a blanket it’s a duvet with a jersey cotton cover on it. That’s why it matches his pillows. It’s a bedset. I’ve got one that could possibly be the same or just very similar from Asda. There nice the first time but become bubbly after a couple washes so wouldn’t recommend haha. Here’s a link to one I bought. https://direct.asda.com/George-Home-Gre ... 6M04G04C02

[sweetlyphan]

I have posted this on tumblr as well. This is something I noticed and didn't see anyone talking about. Correct me if I'm wrong but I don't think Dan and Phil say duvet to mean any general blanket on a bed. When Phil was saying he had trouble turning the duvet inside out, Dan agreed saying he usually has a similar issue but a few days ago he had done it perfectly. From what we’ve seen of the moon room Dan doesn’t have a duvet anymore. So why would Dan be struggling to make a bed with a duvet if he doesn’t have one? Unless they both were calling the blanket in the moon room a duvet. On top of that why would he be concerned with making his bed the same way as Phil if they supposedly sleep in separate rooms (as they’d like us to believe).

Pretty sure dan does sleep with a duvet. The grey thing on his bed isn’t a blanket it’s a duvet with a jersey cotton cover on it. That’s why it matches his pillows. It’s a bedset. I’ve got one that could possibly be the same or just very similar from Asda. There nice the first time but become bubbly after a couple washes so wouldn’t recommend haha. Here’s a link to one I bought. https://direct.asda.com/George-Home-Gre ... 6M04G04C02

Ah! Thanks for letting me know

[LtrllySusan]

I didn't see the live show but I saw the gif series about the armchair doctors and honestly, no. Don't sass your worried fans like that.

1) Phil presented them with a medical mystery
2) Phil supplied MRI scans
3) Phil made them worried ("I might faint any time")

I don't think it's fair to sass fans who are trying to help. Sure, you can always word your advice nicer (as has been talked about here).
If you want to dismiss the comment section altogether because you don't believe there's anyone with a medical education in your audience, then at least accept that there were good intentions. And that the following spam of screenshots and panicky comments started because of the above mentioned actions 1-3. If you don't want advice, make a different kind of video.

TL;DR: I just woke up and the gif set made me grumpy.

[Afunnyworld]

Does anyone know what ever happened to the Rize giveaways? Shouldn't they have announced it by now and finished the spon deal?

[kavat]

What a lovely ls that was. The whole discussion about wether it's okay to go to the shops in your pyjamas was cute, it was interesting seeing them annoyed about the brazilian venue and dans soft voice at the end of shows is always so nice.

I don't blame them for putting their foot down about the comments, and doing it in their own jokey way. Like I said, I would trust my doctors more than random comments on the internet (as should more people or we wouldnt have anti vaxxers), especially when the are put like "you have this illness and your doctor is wrong". With Phil being a self proclaimed hypochondriac and them having access to good health care, I don't feel like there is any need for 100s of "helping" comments that has the potential of doing more harm than good. He put the scans there because he thought it would be a fun thing in a video, he didn't say "please tell me what's wrong". But I guess it might also might have to do with how much you trust the health care providers around you, and the fact that I've been brought up knowing it's rude to talk about someone else's health without being specifically asked about it

[lesterchuu]

i didnt really want to dip in the whole armchair doctors conversation because i believe that its something that shouldnt be focused on, yet here i am. i just want to clear a misunderstanding tho, so please read this with my calmest voice.

i understand where youre coming from @LtrllySusan, but know that dan and, more importantly, phil, themselves did not ask for any of this. the thing about unsolicited advice is that.....its unsolicited. the video was about phil telling us his story about his fainting, not asking the phandom for advice. also, phil just wanted to show us this really cool picture of his brain. in fact, from start (the twitter mentions, insta stories, etc.) to finish (AP video, recent liveshow), both of them have kept it really calm and casual when talking about it to us. its only US, the fans, who were loud with our concerns.

i know that doctors can sometimes be wrong or miss something (were all human), and that there are some really intelligent people in the phandom that had really good and clear advice - BUT, there will be people who will spread awareness to something without fact checking, and like a telephone game, bits of information change for the worse and in turn promote this feeling of unneeded concern and anxiety. being worried for dan and phil's well-being is a good thing, being offended that they are not following the fans' (unsolicited) advice despite repeatedly telling us that he is now "well" is not. even if he WASNT feeling well, it is still their choice to keep it to themselves, whether they act upon it or not, and its something that we should respect. at the end of the day, were just their fans, not their doctors.

to talk about your main concern though, i did watch the liveshow and i dont think dan was hardcore sassing anyone perse. in fact, they talked about this bit as if it was a passing thought. they didnt even linger on it. we all know how dan's "i am talking casually" voice can sometimes sound sarcastic, and it sounded like he tried to be casual about it when he brought it up. they did also point out that they did check with 3 different doctors - to which i think was them lowkey telling us, "hey, i understand your concern, but its ok."

so yeah, its kind of unfair to dan and phil in general, especially when you empathize with the fact that they are probably the one who was stressed out the most behind the scenes, and then the phandom tries to just add more stress.

[Elemancy]

I didn't see the live show but I saw the gif series about the armchair doctors and honestly, no. Don't sass your worried fans like that.

1) Phil presented them with a medical mystery
2) Phil supplied MRI scans
3) Phil made them worried ("I might faint any time")

I don't think it's fair to sass fans who are trying to help. Sure, you can always word your advice nicer (as has been talked about here).
If you want to dismiss the comment section altogether because you don't believe there's anyone with a medical education in your audience, then at least accept that there were good intentions. And that the following spam of screenshots and panicky comments started because of the above mentioned actions 1-3. If you don't want advice, make a different kind of video.

TL;DR: I just woke up and the gif set made me grumpy.

I understand the intention and impulse, but he never asked for advice? The set up of the video was intended to explain the brief mention he made about his experience going to the hospital. I'm not sure Phil entirely realized the implications of supplying MRI scans beyond utilizing them as an interesting visual aid to share with the audience and to have an extra element to comment on to give further depth to his story. I don't think he could reasonably anticipate the floodgate response of well-meaning comments trying to hand down a diagnosis he never requested.
It's extremely frustrating, from a personal point of view, to mention symptoms or give an anecdotal breakdown of a medical experience and suddenly be bombarded with opinions stated as facts underscored with an alarming note of urgency from people who are not in any way acquainted with your medical history. More specifically as an example, I had a bad experience a few years ago where I woke up with an excruciating, blinding headache and difficulty breathing. Like Phil I tried to ignore it, tried to have a glass of milk to soothe my discomfort (maybe I should have tried toast) felt marginally better for a few seconds until I didn’t anymore and had this very bad feeling that I was going to die if I didn’t get help. Fast. The paramedics who arrived took my blood pressure and gave me an EKG with the portable unit they had on hand and instantly thought I was having a heart attack. I was so out of it at that point I don’t exactly remember what they gave me to pre-treat for cardiac arrest, I think it was a spray under my tongue or something, but they then rushed me to the hospital. Fast forward to the ER where after a few quick lab tests, I was given insulin because they initially thought I was suffering from a diabetic attack. This was all as they were still trying to figure out what was wrong as I was considered too young to have heart problems and had no prior history of diabetes. But a nurse came in to start IV fluids and began to tell me that I probably had undetected diabetes, but it would be alright and easy to manage as long as I was careful. She kept telling me her family had a history of diabetes and here’s all the details about their diet and medications and fitness routines- etc. etc.

I’ve never had a family history of diabetes, never been told I was in danger of developing it, but here was a stranger, albeit a nurse, I’d never seen before in my life, who didn’t know me at all, giving me well intentioned advice about all the ways to manage my newly diagnosed condition I had never been formally diagnosed with. She even mentioned an uncle who hadn’t “looked after himself well enough” and needed to have a leg amputated. Not a story I really wanted to hear while the doctors were setting me up to have further tests done including a cardiac catheterization as they continued to explore all the differentials surrounding what might actually be causing my symptoms.

The end result was I didn’t have diabetes. She was wrong. What had set off alarms with my blood sugar, headaches, and heart attack turned out to be tied to something entirely different instead. So yes, doctors and nurses alike can get it wrong even while trying to get it right, but when it comes to unsolicited advice from thousands of strangers trying to interpret an MRI film on a screen without having much else to go on to provide better context behind what they see and hear- I think asking people to please shelf the bandwagon diagnosis for a bit isn’t exactly untoward or unfair. How is anyone supposed to verify the true extent of medical knowledge or experience allegedly professed by a stranger on the internet? Even if one person or twenty people see a striking similarity between their MRI’s and Phil’s, how can they really know they truly do share the same diagnosis? Or how can we be sure the avalanche of comments all shouting “chiari, it’s definitely chiari” aren’t all banding together in a kind of hive mind mentality where the majority opinion is given priority in the assumption that strength in numbers and popularity must mean it’s true.

Maybe unsolicited opinions from the internet is a given fact of life at this point, but assuming that Phil has to share equal blame for not anticipating the inevitable seems more than a little off the mark here. He told a story with a lighthearted theme and the set intention to waylay concern, not incite more. Good intentions don’t always make for good outcomes or positive impacts and everyone already knows that old adage about what the road to hell is paved with.
What I'm trying to say is, people can go through a lot when they’re just learning about an issue with their health or just beginning to explore symptoms in an attempt to understand their cause and having a crush of anonymous voices telling you what they think you have without knowing who they are and without them knowing you or your medical background can be terrifying and extremely frustrating, especially if following up on that advice only leads to more dead ends. If there’s any compromise to be asked for here, then Dan bringing up the instance of all the “doctorly” comments on Phil’s video in a humorous light while also implying a subtle warning to please back off should be seen as a reasonable and understandable response.

[dc34]

Yes he showed the MRI scans but thats not a reason to start diagnosing without any information on him or knowing his medical history. Especially since he didn't ask for advice. The comments were worded nice and concerning, but it was comments telling him that he had so and so disease that stepped over the line, and no matter what arm chair diagnoses is wrong even if its coming from a good place. It does more harm than good. Telling people to back off on it, honestly doesn't sound unreasonable. Also, content creators, no matter the content, don't need to censor what they put out because of the reaction of an audience so putting the blame on Phil for not accepting the response is like @Elemancy said missing the mark

[LtrllySusan]

Without going super into detail (I'm at work now so technically too busy to reply):

No, he didn't ask for it. But he also knows his fanbase. A fanbase that will identify a cafe in Singapore based on a photo of a napkin - and he didn't ask for that either. And it's the internet, you can't expect that there is no unsolicited advice.

He must have known this, and he went ahead anyways.
I'm just never a fan of scolding worried people. If they want to start correcting their fans' behaviour, there's bigger fish to fry (e.g. the stalkers). Don't make people with good intentions feel bad.

I'll read you guys' replies more thoroughly later!

[liola]

Without going super into detail (I'm at work now so technically too busy to reply):

No, he didn't ask for it. But he also knows his fanbase. A fanbase that will identify a cafe in Singapore based on a photo of a napkin - and he didn't ask for that either. And it's the internet, you can't expect that there is no unsolicited advice.

He must have known this, and he went ahead anyways.
I'm just never a fan of scolding worried people. If they want to start correcting their fans' behaviour, there's bigger fish to fry (e.g. the stalkers). Don't make people with good intentions feel bad.

I'll read you guys' replies more thoroughly later!

Not trying to argue here, but there's a difference between "stalker" behaviour like identifying a place they've been while they're not there anymore for the purpose of satisfying one's curiosity and claiming to identify an issue without any information about his whole medical history.

Dan and Phil have a right to prioritize what upsets them most. If they find it more annoying to have unsolicited medical advice than have thousands of fans know where they ate the same day, it's their choice. They don't have to be 100% fair and react the same ways to everything that is presented by fans to then, because they have varying degrees of importance.

Ultimately, I found the way they addressed it more lightly sassy than offensive, and I'm glad they did that! If they wanted to be REALLY firm, Phil would've tweeted it. It would've been his right to tweet "hey guys, I'm okay, really, please stop commenting medical advice" - it's not like other YouTubers don't do it, Safiya tweeted something similar a couple of weeks ago when her comments were flooded with "are you okay, you look tired/anxious/depressed/you have the flu". It's fine for them do decide their boundaries and let us know in their own terms

[kavat]

Without going super into detail (I'm at work now so technically too busy to reply):

No, he didn't ask for it. But he also knows his fanbase. A fanbase that will identify a cafe in Singapore based on a photo of a napkin - and he didn't ask for that either. And it's the internet, you can't expect that there is no unsolicited advice.

He must have known this, and he went ahead anyways.
I'm just never a fan of scolding worried people. If they want to start correcting their fans' behaviour, there's bigger fish to fry (e.g. the stalkers). Don't make people with good intentions feel bad.

I'll read you guys' replies more thoroughly later!

I get where you're coming from, I just think there are different ways to show worry and care. There's a difference between saying "I'm sorry this happened, I hope you're okay and take care of yourself" and "I don't trust your doctors, this is what's wrong with you".

I also think that there's quite a difference between bringing up stalkers and comments on their health, mainly because the comments doesn't only affect dnp but also anyone else that reads them. Someone else might start to worry even more about Phils health than necessary, when he's specifically has said multiple times that he's fine, or even worry unnecessarily about their own health. Stalkers mainly affect dnp and no one else (hopefully) so I think it's smart of them to try to keep that on the dl and not bring attention to it (also because this fandom isn't really known for criticizing it's peers in a constructive way (not talking about you here, you're very respectful and well meaning)).

[glitterintheair]

I also think that there's quite a difference between bringing up stalkers and comments on their health, mainly because the comments doesn't only affect dnp but also anyone else that reads them. Someone else might start to worry even more about Phils health than necessary, when he's specifically has said multiple times that he's fine, or even worry unnecessarily about their own health. Stalkers mainly affect dnp and no one else (hopefully) so I think it's smart of them to try to keep that on the dl and not bring attention to it (also because this fandom isn't really known for criticizing it's peers in a constructive way (not talking about you here, you're very respectful and well meaning)).

That's exactly what I saw on tumblr and twitter. People were already freaking out before the video and the freak out became louder after all the comments from people saying what Phil might have. As someone who gets worried easily, seeing people getting more and more worried about Phil's health caused me a little bit of stress even though deep down I knew that he was okay, therefore I understand why Dan and Phil might have not liked all those comments and speculations. Don't get me wrong, it's also perfectly understandable getting worried about them because we care and we want them to be okay, but when the worry becomes too much and too loud, the good intentions behind that risk to become a problem.

I also believe they handled the discussion quite well and in a lighthearted way and I hope they keep doing that every time they get annoyed by the behavior of their fanbase, especially 'cause I always faulted them for the lack of communication (but now they are starting to improve, yay!)

[Ablissa]

I was of the opinion that if the medical advice might lead Phil in the right direction, it's helpful. I definitely understand the people that were offering it (calmly, in a "I was in this situation" or "I'm a medical professional and..." way). I think they must feel bad now, given the backlash and a lot of people suddenly turning around and saying it was wrong, when previously they were all for it (I don't mean here, I mean tumblr and twitter).

However, I am firmly in the "happy they addressed it" camp. Because while at first it was good, it was quickly blown out of proportion, as always with this fandom. People were spamming Martyn, posting screenshots of a "diagnosis" from a yt comment everywhere, begging people to rt just to notify Phil. That's when I started rolling my eyes.

I feel like they were sassy enough for us not to feel like school kids being scolded, but I was quite impressed that they brought it up at all. They rarely set their limits with us in such a definite way. It was refreshing to see.

I'm glad Phil is ok and if his doctors ruled it out then I guess we can only be happy, although his headaches remain an unsolved mystery.

[alittledizzy]

Dan and Phil being overwhelmed and put out by the volume of response they get makes total sense to me. The spam is a lot, and if they want to put their foot down and stop it then I'm not upset by that. Sometimes that's just how they have to handle things. (Remember Dan telling people to stop saying 'Dan sent me here' under music videos for any song Dan mentioned he liked?)

But I feel like a lot of fans are reframing this to be something it wasn't because they have strong reactions against medical advice. I think @LtrllySusan is right. Phil did present the audience with a mystery; he began it by talking about his headaches and the end of the video, neither he nor us as an audience knew why he had the headaches. He acknowledged that they're a mystery.

And unless there were people diagnosing him with something else that I didn't see, no one was saying his doctor was wrong. His doctor was trying to figure out why Phil fainted, and did come up with an answer for that - he had the beginnings of a sinus infection and when he's stressed and sick his body just has a fainting reaction. Phil didn't go to the doctor to find out why he was having a headache. Some fans with personal or medical experience saw what might be a reason for the headaches, and wanted to tell him. And then, yeah, it spread, and not knowing when to stop is always the issue. I think especially younger fans don't have a good gauge of when to accept that the message has been heard and when they don't get acknowledgement just continue to hammer it home.

I guess I'm also falling in the side of not liking good intentions being mocked. I just accept that Dan did things the Dan way. I don't believe on his own Phil would have worded that in the way it was in the liveshow. That response was annoyed boyfriend Dan, through and through. But if it's effective in stopping a flow of fan response that they don't want, I'm okay with it. This is one of those cases where phandom's response is annoying me way more than Dan and Phil's. Just like phandom took medical advice to an extreme, the flip side is happening with people acting smug about Dan and Phil shutting it down. (I'm primarily speaking to tumblr and twitter. IDB always feels more rational just because it is a conversation where more than one side gets to speak, and not just an endless stream of unrelated posts/tweets or tags on posts.)

[susan2]

Guessed this might happen...looks like the Brazil tickets are out with no warning...
https://uhuu.com/evento/sp/sao-paulo/da ... verts-6419

[alittledizzy]

Oh wow - I'm super curious how well this sells.

[Ataraxia25]

is it me or is the brazilian show not sold out at all? i feel like there are a fair amount of vip tickets left! maybe it's just me, but i has this idea that it was gonna be sold out in seconds

[Amiaw]

is it me or is the brazilian show not sold out at all? i feel like there are a fair amount of vip tickets left! maybe it's just me, but i has this idea that it was gonna be sold out in seconds

Last I checked the link on dan and Phil’s website wasn’t active and they haven’t tweeted yet so that might be why