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trashqueen wrote:re: sexuality video, idk if i feel sorry for her because holy internalized homo/biphobia or if i am annoyed with the straights using the split attraction model to get into the lgbt+ community

I think (just my opinion) that if someone experiences same-gender attraction (sexual or romantic) it should be okay for them to identify as LGBT+.

trashqueen wrote:like seriously i cannot compute how, if you're attracted to girls and aren't asexual, genitals can matter so much to you that you would like to date them but not have sex with them

I'm asexual and I don't think feeling sexually attracted to a gender and not to others has to be related to genitals. Plus, remember that girls can have any types of genitals.

eevee wrote:And she's been dropping hints left and right, like on the podcast and on her tumblr, so I really don't understand why she's now outing herself as biromantic rather than bisexual. It's almost a mockery. has she been dropping all these hints purely for attention??

I don't understand. She hinted at being attracted to women, and now she comes out as someone who is attracted to women. What would be different if she had come out as bisexual? Could you elaborate about what you mean by this, please? (Sorry if comes across as passive-aggressive or something, I didn't mean to. I'm not great at expressing myself online.)


My personal opinion is that she sounds sincere in this video. But maybe she isn't, then it would add to the list of morally questionable things she has done, at this point I wouldn't be surprised.

arequian wrote:

trashqueen wrote:re: sexuality video, idk if i feel sorry for her because holy internalized homo/biphobia or if i am annoyed with the straights using the split attraction model to get into the lgbt+ community

I think (just my opinion) that if someone experiences same-gender attraction (sexual or romantic) it should be okay for them to identify as LGBT+.

trashqueen wrote:like seriously i cannot compute how, if you're attracted to girls and aren't asexual, genitals can matter so much to you that you would like to date them but not have sex with them

I'm asexual and I don't think feeling sexually attracted to a gender and not to others has to be related to genitals. Plus, remember that girls can have any types of genitals.

i know that genitals don't necessarily have anything to do with gender, soz about that, i should have probably just said gender instead, my bad

i'm gonna try to explain myself better because yeah i agree that if you are in any way attracted to your same gender you belong in the lgbt community

what i have trouble coming to terms with is using the split attraction model outside of the aro/ace spectrum

it's very useful when in comes to ace and aro people because it's the only way to explain that you can be not into sexual or romantic relationships and still be lgbt+, but when used together with other orientations i think it unnecessarily sexualises them, bc being bisexual or gay or lesbian or pan or whatevs isn't just about who you want to fuck, it's about who you are attracted in multiple ways to

obviously everyone is attracted to different people and genders in different ways and may approach a potential sexual/romantic relationship with people of different genders different ways bc gender affects the way people act and think, thanks society for that one, (for example i'm way more likely to have casual sex with a girl than a dude bc dudes can be scary), but do we really need to make that kind of stuff an identity label?

and lastly all the times i've seen it used by someone who also considers themselves heterosexual or heteroromantic it comes across one of the following ways to me:
1- 'i have internalized homo/biphobia issues that i need to deal with before i can stop trying to separate myself from other lgbt identifying individuals' (aka the 'i want to believe i'm not THAT gay')
2- i am actually straight but have just realized people of my same gender can be objectively attractive after years of repressing it so now im confused even though i don't see myself in a relationship/having sex with someone of my same gender in a million year

anyway, obviously all of this comes from my personal experience realising my own sexuality and as a Bisexual™ i am biased af, and also from not having the best experience with people who identify as 'half straight' in some way, but i am 100% down for someone who uses the split attraction model and isn't ace/aro to come and explain me their point of view because this is one of the few lgbt related topics i don't have a strong opinion on, i just know it rubs me the wrong way

god it's been a while since i made a post this long, sorry

trashqueen wrote:...i am 100% down for someone who uses the split attraction model and isn't ace/aro to come and explain me their point of view because this is one of the few lgbt related topics i don't have a strong opinion on...

hi hi hello

I'm inclined to believe Emma, because from my own biased perspective I can understand it. I am someone who has experienced being in love with a few different women. It was a very strong, real and romantic feeling - and had all the traditional hallmarks of love. When I have been in love with men it has felt identical to the way I felt about these few women. However, despite this I still very rarely feel sexually attracted to women - even when I can see that aesthetically/objectively they are beautiful by society's standards. Some of the women I was in love with I didn't find sexy to the same extent that I find men sexy - I don't know whether that is something that would have developed if we had had a relationship or not. But at the moment, I can count on one hand the number of times I've found women sexually attractive, but I can't count on any number of hands how many times I've found men sexually attractive because it's truly countless

I guess what I am trying to say is - I've had these experiences of strong romantic feelings for women which are accompanied by very little, if any, sexual attraction. One woman in particular, who I pretty much told in the end that I was in love with her, I've never felt anything like that before - not even with a guy - not to get sappy but it was pretty amazing.

I recently discovered the label 'biromantic heterosexual' and it was useful to me in thinking about these experiences. Because when I use the label 'straight' it doesn't seem to take them into account, it just denies them, defines them as platonic or not real - which mitigates their importance. I feel like I want a label that can recognize how important these experiences were for me, not just deny they ever happened. And to answer your question, yes, the love I felt for women was very gay - I'm not afraid of that, I'm trying to recognize it.

The reason I don't identify as bisexual is because I feel so little sexual attraction to women I feel like it would be almost dishonest, it wouldn't be fair to people who are bisexual in the full sense of the word, it would almost water down the label. Because I believe bisexual implies romantic AND sexual attraction - not just sexual attraction. But to me the sexual attraction to both genders is part of what bisexual means. Bisexual as in - sexual AND romantic attraction to both genders. But if I was in a room and I said I was bisexual people would assume I was sexually and romantically attracted to women - which is not quite accurate. And if I was in a room and I said I was straight and then I started talking about how I was in love with my former close friend people just dismiss those feelings as if they didn't matter - but they did matter, a lot!

Here is my previous post on the issue anyway for anyone interested (trigger warning - Onision):
http://indepthbants.com/post31243.html#p31243

But my views have evolved since then, as I now realize that the 'biromantic heterosexual' label may be inherently problematic because it's co-opting labels created by and for the asexual community - obviously I don't want to be part of that problem. So at the moment I am sticking with straight but I still feel dissatisfied with this, as I feel like it encourages me, and encourages others to ignore and deny feelings I've had in the past for women.

Bottom line: I understand Emma's position, and from my biased representation-seeking position I believe her. But I'm not in her shoes, I don't know what she thinks and feels, so I don't know whether she really is attracted to girls or not. But if she says she is, I'm inclined to believe her, even if she says in general she doesn't feel like she wants to have sex with them in the same way she does men. Sex isn't everything I don't know if Emma is aware of the problems with the 'biromantic heterosexual' label though since she posted this: Sorry for wall of text

I think I am on Emma's side with this one as well. Coz I do see what se means but in an opposite way I guess? I used to identify as a bisexual (i do now go with the lesbian label) and had a bf and what i felt for him was as real as what I felt for girls. And I do appreciate the way guys look like, like I'll say that this guy is really pretty (i tend to think that more about feminine/androgynous guys) and stuff and I'd cuddle him or something, but if it came to the real sexy time thing, it's like much more of a nah for me? And it did make me feel broken. Where as with girls, that's a whole different story, the sexual attraction is just much stronger, even tho I never look at a person like "i'd do them" it's more like I befriend them and fall in love/realise that I'd do her if she asked. Well and nonbinary people make me fully confused coz i know way too little to make a conclusion. Am I then bisexual and just overthinking stuff/afraid of guys/whatever?

Anyhoo, Emma seems genuinely confused and probably has that bad luck of being on the opposite side of myself so people will assume that she's straight or bi with internalized homophobia. I do believe her and am intrigued to see wether her label evolves and if yes then what direction.

bluewho wrote: But my views have evolved since then, as I now realize that the 'biromantic heterosexual' label may be inherently problematic because it's co-opting labels created by and for the asexual community - obviously I don't want to be part of that problem. So at the moment I am sticking with straight

From my experience the general feeling in the community is that it's okay for anyone to use those labels, and that it's good to spread awareness of the fact that your sexual and romantic attraction don't necessarily have to match. And my personal opinion is that the labels were created for people whose sexual attraction differs from their romantic attraction, asexual or not. By the way, I loved the post you linked, it really sums up my views on the subject (even if yours have changed).

TW: Onision
If you want to check it out here's the AVEN thread about Onision coming out.
http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/1434 ... erosexual/

i absolutely see both sides of the issue, tbh i'm down for giving the internet a few more years to figure out how to solve the problematic part of it and come out with a better system that doesn't unnecessarily sexualise the old 'normal' (ugh hate that word but you know what i mean) labels or validates internalized homophobia* while also giving people that genuinely indentify with those words a way to do so

*trust me that does happen, i can't talk for myself bc when i figured out i was bi the split attraction model didn't exist, but if you wanna see some people explain their experience and other complains just search 'split attraction discourse' on twitter

re:emma she changes her mind so much about literally everything that i'm gonna wait out a few months before i even try to decide what i think of her specific case lol

Off-Topic:

arequian wrote: From my experience the general feeling in the community is that it's okay for anyone to use those labels, and that it's good to spread awareness of the fact that your sexual and romantic attraction don't necessarily have to match. And my personal opinion is that the labels were created for people whose sexual attraction differs from their romantic attraction, asexual or not. By the way, I loved the post you linked, it really sums up my views on the subject (even if yours have changed).

TW: Onision
If you want to check it out here's the AVEN thread about Onision coming out.
http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/1434 ... erosexual/

Thank you, this is good to know
Thank you to you and trashqueen for more information on this as I am painfully ignorant
The Onision AVEN thread and the twitter search were both an interesting read

bluewho wrote:Off-Topic:

arequian wrote: From my experience the general feeling in the community is that it's okay for anyone to use those labels, and that it's good to spread awareness of the fact that your sexual and romantic attraction don't necessarily have to match. And my personal opinion is that the labels were created for people whose sexual attraction differs from their romantic attraction, asexual or not. By the way, I loved the post you linked, it really sums up my views on the subject (even if yours have changed).

TW: Onision
If you want to check it out here's the AVEN thread about Onision coming out.
http://www.asexuality.org/en/topic/1434 ... erosexual/

Thank you, this is good to know
Thank you to you and trashqueen for more information on this as I am painfully ignorant
The Onision AVEN thread and the twitter search were both an interesting read

You're welcome!

arequian wrote:

eevee wrote:And she's been dropping hints left and right, like on the podcast and on her tumblr, so I really don't understand why she's now outing herself as biromantic rather than bisexual. It's almost a mockery. has she been dropping all these hints purely for attention??

I don't understand. She hinted at being attracted to women, and now she comes out as someone who is attracted to women. What would be different if she had come out as bisexual? Could you elaborate about what you mean by this, please? (Sorry if comes across as passive-aggressive or something, I didn't mean to. I'm not great at expressing myself online.)

Well she reblogged stuff about eating girls out so like......thats pretty sexual. that one sticks out to me a lot. i just feel like the hints shes been dropping and the thumbnail of the video lead you to believe shes bisexual and then when she comes out as heterosexual its just kinda like....not what everyone expected. but i can hear and understand that shes probably honestly confused, i just dont understand why she made a video about it milking and baiting the bisexual thing with the thumbnail only for it to be a video about not being sure and being confused but being sure of the fact that she likes men? i just feel like shes been leading us to believe she's bisexual and in the end she's not exactly bisexual. and it's almost like she's saying "i want to be a cool bisexual but i dont wanna be too gay so im gonna be biromantic" and maybe this is just my hate for emma coming out but i think its kinda a bad move on her part.

Okay this rest is just me ranting about how I don't like emma, feel free to not read if you dont need negativity in your life:
But I included that so that anyone reading the above will realize how bias against emma i am and i can accept that my hate for her is fueling some of my issues with her new video.

eevee wrote:

arequian wrote:

eevee wrote:And she's been dropping hints left and right, like on the podcast and on her tumblr, so I really don't understand why she's now outing herself as biromantic rather than bisexual. It's almost a mockery. has she been dropping all these hints purely for attention??

I don't understand. She hinted at being attracted to women, and now she comes out as someone who is attracted to women. What would be different if she had come out as bisexual? Could you elaborate about what you mean by this, please? (Sorry if comes across as passive-aggressive or something, I didn't mean to. I'm not great at expressing myself online.)

Well she reblogged stuff about eating girls out so like......thats pretty sexual. that one sticks out to me a lot. i just feel like the hints shes been dropping and the thumbnail of the video lead you to believe shes bisexual and then when she comes out as heterosexual its just kinda like....not what everyone expected. but i can hear and understand that shes probably honestly confused, i just dont understand why she made a video about it milking and baiting the bisexual thing with the thumbnail only for it to be a video about not being sure and being confused but being sure of the fact that she likes men? i just feel like shes been leading us to believe she's bisexual and in the end she's not exactly bisexual. and it's almost like she's saying "i want to be a cool bisexual but i dont wanna be too gay so im gonna be biromantic" and maybe this is just my hate for emma coming out but i think its kinda a bad move on her part.

Okay this rest is just me ranting about how I don't like emma, feel free to not read if you dont need negativity in your life:

but then again what is a good move on her part for me?? certainly not making another channel. if i was emma's close friend, i'd be like honey, you look like a trainwreck, are you trying to be trisha paytas or do you want to sort yourself out? if you want to sort yourself out, then put all your videos on one channel, maybe a separate gaming channel, but youre just not big enough to have this many channels and it's too confusing. just sort your different videos into playlists on your main channel and people will be able to find what theyre looking for easily. stop associating with Luke. it's making you look really bad because Luke is the most annoying youtuber on the platform. And for god's sake, act your age.

But I included that so that anyone reading the above will realize how bias against emma i am and i can accept that my hate for her is fueling some of my issues with her new video.

Yes! I agree. I mean, maybe it will turn out that Emma really is biromantic heterosexual, if that happens, good for her. But to me, it really seems like she's fully bi and in denial. Pretty much everything she said was things I said when going through my Sexuality Crisis™. But even when I tried to convince myself I was still heterosexual and I just liked girls romantically, there was still a part of me that knew I was actually just bi. So, if Emma really is in denial, I'm sure there's some part of her that knows. So I really think it's weird she would post about it online. I get wanting to be open, but I feel like making a 12 minute video about how you're sexual confused so for now you're gonna say you're biromantic heterosexual is kinda... iffy. What she said at the beginning of her video rubbed me the wrong way too. "I feel like it's almost become sort of this right of passage on YouTube. If- even if you slightly identify as being on the LGBTQA+ (...) I feel like if you're slightly on that spectrum you have to make a video about it." What is she trying to say?? She doesn't actually want to make this video, but she feels like she has to, or...? That some people lie about their sexualities?

eevee wrote:

arequian wrote:

eevee wrote:And she's been dropping hints left and right, like on the podcast and on her tumblr, so I really don't understand why she's now outing herself as biromantic rather than bisexual. It's almost a mockery. has she been dropping all these hints purely for attention??

I don't understand. She hinted at being attracted to women, and now she comes out as someone who is attracted to women. What would be different if she had come out as bisexual? Could you elaborate about what you mean by this, please? (Sorry if comes across as passive-aggressive or something, I didn't mean to. I'm not great at expressing myself online.)

Well she reblogged stuff about eating girls out so like......thats pretty sexual. that one sticks out to me a lot. i just feel like the hints shes been dropping and the thumbnail of the video lead you to believe shes bisexual and then when she comes out as heterosexual its just kinda like....not what everyone expected. but i can hear and understand that shes probably honestly confused, i just dont understand why she made a video about it milking and baiting the bisexual thing with the thumbnail only for it to be a video about not being sure and being confused but being sure of the fact that she likes men? i just feel like shes been leading us to believe she's bisexual and in the end she's not exactly bisexual. and it's almost like she's saying "i want to be a cool bisexual but i dont wanna be too gay so im gonna be biromantic" and maybe this is just my hate for emma coming out but i think its kinda a bad move on her part.

I forgot about the reblogs. Yeah, that sounds pretty sexual. And I also was expecting her to come out as bisexual, so this definitely was unexpected. Maybe this is just her trying to come to terms with her sexuality. Or maybe she really is biromantic but thought that hinting at being bisexual would make it easier to come out... It's hard to know with her, she could be 100% straight and doing all of this for views, for all we know.

anathema wrote:What she said at the beginning of her video rubbed me the wrong way too. "I feel like it's almost become sort of this right of passage on YouTube. If- even if you slightly identify as being on the LGBTQA+ (...) I feel like if you're slightly on that spectrum you have to make a video about it." What is she trying to say?? She doesn't actually want to make this video, but she feels like she has to, or...? That some people lie about their sexualities?

I thought this was weird too. Like she felt it was an obligation to make this video, maybe? It's confusing.

I don't really know her and I didn't even watch the video, but that sounds to me like she wanted to give her new vlogging channel a jumpstart by making a video about her being somehow not straight, because she's seen how Dodie and some other people got lots of views on their videos about their sexuality.
Maybe I'm too cynical, but that's how I see it.

eevee wrote: Well she reblogged stuff about eating girls out so like......thats pretty sexual. that one sticks out to me a lot. i just feel like the hints shes been dropping and the thumbnail of the video lead you to believe shes bisexual

I disagree with this point The thumbnail of the video is Emma looking confused, positioned in between the symbol for bisexuality and the symbol for heterosexuality - a pretty clear indication that she positions her sexuality somewhere on the scale between these two:


And the title of the video is 'I am sexually confused'. To me all this is a fair summary of what was in the video

There could be many reasons why she reblogged the thing about eating girls out - maybe she just thought it was funny? But even if she was thinking about girls sexually when she reblogged it that's just a reiteration of the same inconsistency that was in the video: She talks about finding Kirsten Stewart sexually attractive for example, but then says this is an exception because as a general rule she doesn't find them sexually attractive. Human sexuality doesn't have to fit into neat little boxes - it can be inconsistent. She's been honest in a main channel video about finding girls attractive and her feelings for girls she knew in the past - this doesn't suggest someone who is afraid of being seen as gay to me
But I'll be honest in saying I only really keep up with her music stuff, and occasionally watch a video or two of hers if it looks interesting - I'm a casual fan so I could be missing lots of the big picture which may be skewing my view slightly.

On another note, she's just posted this:

basically apologizing yet again for slagging off YouTubers who release books like Dan and Phil.
Interesting quote:

I used to be really offended by it [YouTubers releasing books]. I think it was mostly out of jealousy.

ProTip Emma: Stop apologizing, you're not going to win over Dan and Phil, who won't go near drama with a ten foot pole, and you're not going to win over the phandom after everything. You've already apologized, the best way to show you've changed is just to move on and stop drawing attention to stuff you said in the past that people may not have even been aware of in the first place until they see your latest video on it!


Anyway I am liking her new channel which is surprising to me, I've mostly only seen her collabs with Luke before which I hated because crude/crass humor every three seconds

Does anyone think she may have put this video out to try and get a book deal? It's probably a good way to advertise you are looking for a publisher.

(Sorry for double post, I can't edit my other post anymore )

bluewho wrote:Does anyone think she may have put this video out to try and get a book deal? It's probably a good way to advertise you are looking for a publisher.

(Sorry for double post, I can't edit my other post anymore )

Hm, interesting thought. It would make sense if she wanted to release a book, because by posting this video she can say "hey look I'm releasing a book but I'm not a hypocrite!"

http://twitter.com/emmablackery/status/ ... lang=en-gb

Based on these tweets from back in June I suspect Emma probably already has a book deal. Whether it was a case she was offered it and was willing to look like a hypocrite to make some extra dough or whether she is just so dedicated to hypocrisy as a lifestyle she couldn't stop herself going and actively looking for one after making all those negative comments in the past is anyone's guess.

Either way I'd personally say it's an almost certainty that she'll have a book hitting the shelves in the near future. I don't think she'd be doing this much back-peddling if it was still a maybe.

pearshaped34 wrote:http://twitter.com/emmablackery/status/ ... lang=en-gb

Based on these tweets from back in June I suspect Emma probably already has a book deal. Whether it was a case she was offered it and was willing to look like a hypocrite to make some extra dough or whether she is just so dedicated to hypocrisy as a lifestyle she couldn't stop herself going and actively looking for one after making all those negative comments in the past is anyone's guess.

Either way I'd personally say it's an almost certainty that she'll have a book hitting the shelves in the near future. I don't think she'd be doing this much back-peddling if it was still a maybe.

Good find. They do seem like she either got a book deal or is independently releasing book herself. Imagine if it was a book all about apologizing for what she's done and moving on to be reborn How To Move Forward, How To Get People To Forgive You, How To Unapologetically Be Yourself Even If You Suck, How To Keep Existing After People Tell You To Go Away, How To Be A Huge Hypocrite At All Times, How To Live With Yourself After You Fuck Up, Self-Help: How To Heal From A Mistake, Do-It-Yourself Moving On and Healing, 100 Day Diary: How To Improve Yourself

all only for her to continue to fuck up afterwards!

anathema wrote:

bluewho wrote:Does anyone think she may have put this video out to try and get a book deal? It's probably a good way to advertise you are looking for a publisher.

(Sorry for double post, I can't edit my other post anymore )

Hm, interesting thought. It would make sense if she wanted to release a book, because by posting this video she can say "hey look I'm releasing a book but I'm not a hypocrite!"

She can say it. Won't make it true.

eevee - could not have said it better.

IckleMissMayhem wrote:

anathema wrote:

bluewho wrote:Does anyone think she may have put this video out to try and get a book deal? It's probably a good way to advertise you are looking for a publisher.

(Sorry for double post, I can't edit my other post anymore )

Hm, interesting thought. It would make sense if she wanted to release a book, because by posting this video she can say "hey look I'm releasing a book but I'm not a hypocrite!"

She can say it. Won't make it true.

eevee - could not have said it better.

Yes she is probably going to come out with a book or has finally gotten a deal I can see a bullshit book full of life lessons or something like that

corn flakes wrote: I can see a bullshit book full of life lessons or something like that

god i hope not, tbh this sounds so boring. But from the look of those tweets it looks like she probably already has a book deal, or has written a book and is trying to get a book deal, either way *sigh*

I agree it's hypocritical. You can't slam Youtubers for bringing out pointless books and then bring out a pointless book

also if she's just made that whole video to 'make it okay' that she's going to release a book then that's pretty calculating tbh, and I'm not sure it'll work.

eevee wrote:

pearshaped34 wrote:http://twitter.com/emmablackery/status/ ... lang=en-gb

Based on these tweets from back in June I suspect Emma probably already has a book deal. Whether it was a case she was offered it and was willing to look like a hypocrite to make some extra dough or whether she is just so dedicated to hypocrisy as a lifestyle she couldn't stop herself going and actively looking for one after making all those negative comments in the past is anyone's guess.

Either way I'd personally say it's an almost certainty that she'll have a book hitting the shelves in the near future. I don't think she'd be doing this much back-peddling if it was still a maybe.

Good find. They do seem like she either got a book deal or is independently releasing book herself. Imagine if it was a book all about apologizing for what she's done and moving on to be reborn How To Move Forward, How To Get People To Forgive You, How To Unapologetically Be Yourself Even If You Suck, How To Keep Existing After People Tell You To Go Away, How To Be A Huge Hypocrite At All Times, How To Live With Yourself After You Fuck Up, Self-Help: How To Heal From A Mistake, Do-It-Yourself Moving On and Healing, 100 Day Diary: How To Improve Yourself

all only for her to continue to fuck up afterwards!

The preface would say stuff about how "I spent so much time working on this, unlike some other YouTubers with their books, and I'm so happy to share all my hard work." and then three weeks after it's release we would all find out she had a ghostwriter and didn't even come up with most of the "tips"

Sorry if this is old news, but im rather pissed about Emma's sexuality video. I don't think there's anything wrong with being biromantic, and i don't know very much about the split-attraction model. I hope I'm not projecting too much, but the video seemed like Emma coming out as straight to me. She says that she has had 'crushes' on girls, in a way in which she wanted to be friends with them. She says that she has not had 'crushes' like that since she was a teenager. I don't want to rule out attraction here, but as an aro-ace person, I've had crushes like that! I've admired girls and boys. I've wanted them to like me, I've admired them in general. Yet this was not romantic attraction for me. It doesn't sound like attraction for Emma either. I can't say what her sexuality is, but im just rather pissed that she's trying so hard (i guess) to be lgbt+.

Soooo... anyone else kind of liking her Vloggery channel? I haven't subscribed because I'm not really into that sort of content. Somehow. Besides Deppy. But she's making a lot more genuine content lately and I think I'm still quite impressed with her Notth Korea video tbh that I'm just full of all the niceness.

Not sure how I feel about her releasing a book after all the crap she said though lol. I know people change and are entitled to change their minds, but then it's the curse of her being so rude and blunt with her opinions that it just makes it a smidge harder for her to backtrack than if she'd just harnessed the cheek a little bit.

human wrote:Soooo... anyone else kind of liking her Vloggery channel? I haven't subscribed because I'm not really into that sort of content. Somehow. Besides Deppy. But she's making a lot more genuine content lately and I think I'm still quite impressed with her Notth Korea video tbh that I'm just full of all the niceness.

Not sure how I feel about her releasing a book after all the crap she said though lol. I know people change and are entitled to change their minds, but then it's the curse of her being so rude and blunt with her opinions that it just makes it a smidge harder for her to backtrack than if she'd just harnessed the cheek a little bit.

I've liked her Vloggery channel quite a bit! It's extremely refreshing and the fact it's not heavily edited makes me feel as though it's more being talked to than being talked at (if that makes any sense).

She's releasing a book? Hmm...seems a bit funny that she talked 'crap' about youtubers having books and then suddenly shut up about it for a few months and BAM she's releasing a book.

Extremely hypocritical, she most likely would still be talking crap about people who had books if she didn't have her own book deal.

Also when I used to talk to her, she said she found "Youtube Red cool". Perhaps she might try and get something on Youtube Red too?

eevee wrote:

pearshaped34 wrote:http://twitter.com/emmablackery/status/ ... lang=en-gb

Based on these tweets from back in June I suspect Emma probably already has a book deal. Whether it was a case she was offered it and was willing to look like a hypocrite to make some extra dough or whether she is just so dedicated to hypocrisy as a lifestyle she couldn't stop herself going and actively looking for one after making all those negative comments in the past is anyone's guess.

Either way I'd personally say it's an almost certainty that she'll have a book hitting the shelves in the near future. I don't think she'd be doing this much back-peddling if it was still a maybe.

Good find. They do seem like she either got a book deal or is independently releasing book herself. Imagine if it was a book all about apologizing for what she's done and moving on to be reborn How To Move Forward, How To Get People To Forgive You, How To Unapologetically Be Yourself Even If You Suck, How To Keep Existing After People Tell You To Go Away, How To Be A Huge Hypocrite At All Times, How To Live With Yourself After You Fuck Up, Self-Help: How To Heal From A Mistake, Do-It-Yourself Moving On and Healing, 100 Day Diary: How To Improve Yourself

all only for her to continue to fuck up afterwards!

Literally, it most likely will be a book like that! I wonder if she DID realise a book, how many similarities could we find between D/P's book and hers? Or other youtuber books?

Honestly, is it just me that wishes she'd ditch that "good girl gone bad" attitude and just go back to being a plain bitch?

I mean, I know she's trying to be "mature" and stuff however her content was way better when she was like "I don't care about hate fuck you!" instead of "i'm so sorry for all the drama i caused 3 years ago and by the way let me remind you every 2 weeks that i caused drama 3 years ago".


Her last video... do I even HAVE TO make a video comparing the similarities to pewdiepie? (even the comments said they could see similarities)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9mcZ_c9fjY

And let's not talk about all of the similarities between her meme video and Dan's...

She's gone from an iconic youtuber to someone who subtly copies other popular youtubers' videos.

What is it for? She complains all the time on twitter on how she's lost subs and doesn't get as much views as before but doesn't realise THE CONTENT SHE IS KNOWN FOR, SHE IS NOT MAKING.

-sorry for that mini rant there-

I used to chat with her on tumblr a lot and I got into an argument with her, in which she said "I was just starting to lose that gossip reputation!"

No..you really weren't. It takes a few google searches to find these forums or gurugossiper, and then all that "bad stuff" you constantly talk about is found.

Seems like she's just trying to cover up what she's done to then ruin it, again.

Wish she'd just stop doing that whole "I'm gonna shittalk some people, then a few months later I'm gonna apologise because I'm gonna do what those people do!"