Dan & Phil Part 39: There's no integrity here

[Afunnyworld]

I'm a bit confused as to why many people seem (to me at least) to be convinced that Dan is completely changing his branding name? This really does not make much sense to me, since it did not sound like he in any way was referencing a name change. (but I may have missed something)
From what he said along with his tone I got the feeling that it was a story/sketch video. (wasn't there a video he wanted to do about a train incident- someone mentioned it here a few months ago)
It is possible that he is doing a video about changing his branding, but that seems like a pretty random guess, which to me does not seem to have basis over any other guess (or is it because that @danhowell twitter account was a recent topic of discussion) I am probably missing something obvious though.

[Amiaw]

So Vidcon Eu is at the beginning of April, meaning technically they'd have time to go before Amplify - which probably means they are planning a longer trip before Australia. Hopefully they keep up their pace and pre-film because it seems like they'll be gone for most of April.

Also, found it interesting when Dan was doing his Tumblr rant he said that people who watch his live shows, follow him on twitter, tumblr, etc have a vague idea of who he really is - is this the first time he's said that? I know in the past he was always saying that he was very different than his dinof personality so it's an interesting thing that he's acknowledging that those of us that are involved in his fandom aren't completely off base sometime.

[captainspacecoat]

That liveshow was fine, but not the most thrilling one ever. Which, fair enough, they can't all be fascinating. The amount of secondhand embarrassment I got from that chicken story was off the charts though, bloody hell. Glad he loved Moonlight and thinks it should get the Oscar (I agree!!!), also glad San Junipero is one of his fave Black Mirror episodes (same ). He saw The Book of Mormon again, I wouldn't be surprised if that was Phil's mum's Christmas gift and he went along. Also that whole anecdote about seeing the Motown musical was so great, wasn't that the musical Phil took his mum to see for her birthday or something last year? I love the thought of them playing Singstar together in their own time, cute

re: cheeky new video - I remain pretty convinced the video he's talking about will be an official rebranding to Dan Howell, if only because he said last week that it had to do with his professional life. 'Cheeky' might just be referring to how he'll go about it - will he make it clickbaity? Will he rehash 2013 and do something with fire? Will he pull up specific examples of people butchering his username? Idk, but I think it'll be something along those lines. Who knows though, watch it just be the dentist kink video or something.

re: George - I'm so suspicious, does he really exist? Is George the new Darla? If you're out there George, reveal yourself

[kay]

I'm fully prepared to eat my hat on this but I didn't get rebranding vibes, especially when he said "which might be a long time coming, especially for people who watch the --" Not sure how that fits in with rebrand. Am I missing something?

[fancybum]

I'm a bit confused as to why many people seem (to me at least) to be convinced that Dan is completely changing his branding name? This really does not make much sense to me, since it did not sound like he in any way was referencing a name change. (but I may have missed something)
From what he said along with his tone I got the feeling that it was a story/sketch video. (wasn't there a video he wanted to do about a train incident- someone mentioned it here a few months ago)
It is possible that he is doing a video about changing his branding, but that seems like a pretty random guess, which to me does not seem to have basis over any other guess (or is it because that @danhowell twitter account was a recent topic of discussion) I am probably missing something obvious though.

"If you’ve heard me moaning about some things that’s been
an ongoing issue in my professional life,
you might have an idea,
which could be quite funny."

Literally what else has he moaned about, recently or ever, that counts as "an ongoing issue in his professional life" outside of his name.
Feb 7 show:

starting at 44:00 - Talking about making dinof his name at 13 and regretting it and wanting to change it.
Repeats at 57:55 that changing his YT name is on the 'list of 2017 changes'

He's been ramping up to doing it all month, probably all year but I can't find specific mentions from Jan.
:michaelscottitshappeninggif:

I'm fully prepared to eat my hat on this but I didn't get rebranding vibes, especially when he said "which might be a long time coming, especially for people who watch the --" Not sure how that fits in with rebrand. Am I missing something?

I would assume he was going to end that sentence 'who watch the liveshows' since he's been talking about changing his name from dinof to Dan Howell, so we'll be expecting it (it's 'a long time coming' to us), and people who don't watch the liveshows will be taken by surprise. So he'll make a video explaining why he's doing it (in a funny way).

[kay]

I'm fully prepared to eat my hat on this but I didn't get rebranding vibes, especially when he said "which might be a long time coming, especially for people who watch the --" Not sure how that fits in with rebrand. Am I missing something?

I would assume he was going to end that sentence 'who watch the liveshows' since he's been talking about changing his name from dinof to Dan Howell, so we'll be expecting it (it's 'a long time coming' to us), and people who don't watch the liveshows will be taken by surprise. So he'll make a video explaining why he's doing it (in a funny way).

Makes sense as I rarely get a chance to watch them live/in full and only get the recaps

[RiriPandaHeart2]

Best crack theory I've ever seen so far on Tumblr is that he's gonna come out as a furry.
Btw, thanks dannonfil for answering my question.

[dannonfill]

Best crack theory I've ever seen so far on Tumblr is that he's gonna come out as a furry.

You laugh now but wait.. let me connect the strings here...
"Ongoing issue in [his] professional life" - Discriminated against for wearing fursuits or clip-on tails to industry events and meetings.
“If you like laughing at my life turned into a joke," - Most people don't take furrydom seriously as a lifestyle.
"It’s a big deal, and also not,” - It may feel like a big deal to confess his furry inclinations in a standalone video, but he's already addressed them in the memes video, so also not.
Wanting to change his name - danisnotonfire > Dan Howl, naturally.
Call me Sasha Belle because I done cracked the code

Btw, thanks dannonfil for answering my question.

[adonais]

Wanting to change his name - danisnotonfire > Dan Howl, naturally.

I'm crying this is brilliant
Cue an emotional Dan Howl in a fursuit explaining to the camera why this is such an important part of who he is because, "The whiskers... they come from within."
When the video drops the phandom can all wear cat whiskers the next day as a show of support.

This also explains the "which might be a long time coming, especially for the people who watch the-" -dan is a furry evidence compilations on youtube. Obviously.

[lefthandedism]

I'm not sure I've seen this mentioned anywhere, but Tomska made a micro-Deppy mention in his latest vlog. (For some reason, DarkSquidge is the only non-Deppy channel I am invested in.)

At 29:36 (I'm not sure what selfie modes he's referring to--guess I haven't watched the right vlog for that--but apparently he owes his selfie modes to Dan and Phil):



Interesting that Dan said today he'd probably collab with Tom again. That would be wonderful: I regularly watch Rejects and its outtakes and still laugh every time.

[Yaz]

dannonfill, I can't even believe I once thought the video was going to be about Dan changing his youtube name now that I've seen the brilliant work you've put into cracking the code -I also appreciated the rpdr reference so much, thank you-
I hope the straight edgy male audience of him won't be put off by the furry announcement though, that would be a shame.

For real though, I don't think the book and the tour will have any effect on his decision if he really is gonna change his name on yt. There were always speculations about those things being almost like a farewell to an era. If anything he might be feeling even more confident to take the step now that he had done those things as dinof. But who knows really

[vincentian]

if he's rebranding to dan howell will phil is not on fire become phil howell tho

oh my God! I am suddenly not against dan changing from dinof to dan howell

Eh, who knows? I was more intrigued by his bigger budget, artsy take on the 7 deadly sins, though I'm pretty sure Fincher already has that covered So, do you think we will some more artsy and non-yt things from deppy? That excites me.

Yes! As much as I appreciate authenticity and self-producing yt videos that Dan has mentioned in interviews (seemingly proud of it), I was also hoping after tatinof they would get a taste of doing bigger, better things and try something else. Imo in 2017 little sketches done in the hallway of their flat really don't look like adequate effort for how big Dan and Phil are, what they've done. I'm excited for differently presented content, not necessarily artsy, but with better production quality, plan - an idea of a series of videos connected by theme sounds good.

[thephandommenace]

Call me Sasha Belle because I done cracked the code

Maybe the new video will be on his secret inner fanboy for RPDR and he'll dress up in drag, walk in heels and call it 'Becoming Yazi'. I can dream.

[SexyTrashCan]

I just have a feeling that everyone's hopes dreams and expectations will be crushed.
This has piqued my curiosity though and I have a few theories that I'm silently praying may be true.

Also on another note I'm at least 99 percent sure Dan knows about this site. This is the first site that comes up after googling "Dan and Phil forums" etc.
To be honest I found this site by googling "Dan and Phil conspiracies" so

[dans left hand]

cheeeken

[momoroki]

I just have a feeling that everyone's hopes dreams and expectations will be crushed.
This has piqued my curiosity though and I have a few theories that I'm silently praying may be true.

Yeah I mean :/ same tbh - although maybe the rebranding talk isn't too far off the mark? I remember someone speculating that "no more DanIsNotOnFire?" could be the "cheeky title" or smth a few pages back what do you mean perpetually lurking on this forum is bad haha so i'm interested but got low expectations.

Also on another note I'm at least 99 percent sure Dan knows about this site. This is the first site that comes up after googling "Dan and Phil forums" etc.
To be honest I found this site by googling "Dan and Phil conspiracies" so

Honestly? I'd maybe disagree that they know about this site - like I know it may seem that they'd obviously know about a forum dedicated almost entirely to them, but I had no clue that gg was a thing even when I was a hardcore tumblr phannie. I think they have the impression that basically the entirety of their phandom audience reside on Tumblr (or Instagram, but let's not go near that cesspool). IDB comprises a tiny, tiny fraction of the phandom so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know it existed. Frankly, it may be wishful thinking on my part because the topics discussed here can get pretty invasive.

Then again, I had really toned down my fandom participation in 2016 which is when idb started up, so who knows I found this site after ravenously searching for some place I could discuss my rekindled interest in Deppy, but gg being dead and all crushed my dreams - until I randomly saw a tumblr ask which said "what do you think of the in depth bants crowd?" and here I am today

[SexyTrashCan]

Honestly? I'd maybe disagree that they know about this site - like I know it may seem that they'd obviously know about a forum dedicated almost entirely to them, but I had no clue that gg was a thing even when I was a hardcore tumblr phannie. I think they have the impression that basically the entirety of their phandom audience reside on Tumblr (or Instagram, but let's not go near that cesspool). IDB comprises a tiny, tiny fraction of the phandom so I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't know it existed. Frankly, it may be wishful thinking on my part because the topics discussed here can get pretty invasive.

Then again, I had really toned down my fandom participation in 2016 which is when idb started up, so who knows I found this site after ravenously searching for some place I could discuss my rekindled interest in Deppy, but gg being dead and all crushed my dreams - until I randomly saw a tumblr ask which said "what do you think of the in depth bants crowd?" and here I am today

Yeah I have a completely different perspective on this since I never really go on Tumblr as much so who knows but I always found it likely at some point they have stumbled across either here or gg

[jesuisunèléve]

My opinions:

1. Once I saw Dan wearing that beanie I flipped off You Tube and proceeded to laugh my ass off because he looked like SUCH a f*ckboy!

2. I think Dan will be announcing his rebranding. He's spoken about it quite a bit the last few months (years?) and I think it was all about him not being lazy and just doing it.

3. I think coming out videos on YT are, from what I have seen, YT career suicide. Also, if Dan comes out then I would assume Phil would have to follow suit (I ship them), and I don't see either of them doing such a thing. Remember, these are the two who went through the hassle of #busgate to "prove" they weren't sleeping together on that tour bus.

[Catallena]

I'd rather he focus on his content for this mythical ~rebrand~ than a username that literally only he hates... this like worrying about what you're gonna wear to the premiere before the movie gets made. He probably thinks making some long and profound video where he bullshits his way through is gonna kill two birds with one stone but I doubt that.

if he's rebranding to dan howell will phil is not on fire become phil howell tho

oh my God! I am suddenly not against dan changing from dinof to dan howell

Eh, who knows? I was more intrigued by his bigger budget, artsy take on the 7 deadly sins, though I'm pretty sure Fincher already has that covered So, do you think we will some more artsy and non-yt things from deppy? That excites me.

Yes! As much as I appreciate authenticity and self-producing yt videos that Dan has mentioned in interviews (seemingly proud of it), I was also hoping after tatinof they would get a taste of doing bigger, better things and try something else. Imo in 2017 little sketches done in the hallway of their flat really don't look like adequate effort for how big Dan and Phil are, what they've done. I'm excited for differently presented content, not necessarily artsy, but with better production quality, plan - an idea of a series of videos connected by theme sounds good.

Are Dan and Phil really 'big' though? Like fandom wise it might seem that way but looking at the numbers and relevancy outside of fandom (especially since quitting the radio) they're like... in the upper layer of mid tier YouTubers. And they're probably past their prime by now.

I personally just want Dan to stop taking himself so seriously with his crap about 'this idea is such a March video' and just create shit already. He needs a kick up the arse basically. Don't care much for higher production values if he can't get the basics down consistently.

[flarequake]

at Dan not being able to just accept a bloody compliment.

This was the entire liveshow for me. One day he'll relax and be able to do it, and the mother in me will be so proud. Thanks to that he seemed really all over the place, but he was all right in between those moments.

The ASMR bit was fricking hilarious. I love his curly hair and the beanie was cute, even if it was just hiding his hair.

[tymyky]

I'd rather he focus on his content for this mythical ~rebrand~ than a username that literally only he hates... this like worrying about what you're gonna wear to the premiere before the movie gets made. He probably thinks making some long and profound video where he bullshits his way through is gonna kill two birds with one stone but I doubt that.

This. I have a feeling that people expect change in content (rebrand) that will come with him ditching danisnotonfire, but I thinkt that is not gonna happen. He doesn't like his username, not his content. I also don't think that he will get rid of danisnotonfire when he changes it. That username will stay with him till death and there is nothing he can do about it.

I'm also not quite sure that this video will be about him changing his username. I think that he will have a massive rant, about all those people calling him danisnotonfire instead of Dan Howell, but he won't chnage it.

And for the sake of your sanity, you should prepare for ISG 9. Believe me, it's better than expecting some kind of a rebrand.

[thephandommenace]

Are Dan and Phil really 'big' though? Like fandom wise it might seem that way but looking at the numbers and relevancy outside of fandom (especially since quitting the radio) they're like... in the upper layer of mid tier YouTubers. And they're probably past their prime by now.

I was amazed, looking at the tour, that they were able to go to so many places (especially outside the UK) and have so many of their shows sold out, even at the Dolby, which looked HUGE. I'm desensitized to seeing a YouTuber have millions of subscribers until you see their subscribers in person and the size of the audiences and then you're like 'oh... that's a LOT.'

Now that they're not doing the radio show I wonder if they'll use their connections for something else. A chat show? A YouTube Red show? A sitcom? A movie? Full-length original novels? Would those even be successful? (Thinking about Grace's show and a Sunday Times-esque treatment of YouTubers by people in the traditional media.)

But I agree that I think they're reaching their prime or have already reached it. On YouTube, at least. I think both their subscriber counts have slowed in the past few months and I don't even know if Phil's Predicting My Future video has hit 1m views yet. Not to mention the pinof8 views. That said, compared to last year, their Twitter follower counts have doubled.

[malday]

If he ditches danisnotonfire for Dan Howell what will that mean killing the PINOF series for good?

When people say he is rebranding how do you expect him to do it, just change his twitter @? I don't think he can change the youtube url because it's pre-2011 (unless youtube partners get a special option to do that).

[alittledizzy]

If he ditches danisnotonfire for Dan Howell what will that mean killing the PINOF series for good?

When people say he is rebranding how do you expect him to do it, just change his twitter @? I don't think he can change the youtube url because it's pre-2011 (unless youtube partners get a special option to do that).

He could make the same moves as Louise Pentland and it wouldn't change all that much.

A lot of her career is still branded around sprinkleofglitter. Her youtube banner still says Sprinkle of Glitter. Her blog is still sprinkleofglitter. She didn't entirely distance herself from her old name in a way that would invalidate any previous branding or make products she tried to push make no sense. She changed her twitter handle to something she liked more and that was the most immediate difference; the rest has been a slow shift in what she chooses to talk about on her channel, but considering Dan's youtube channel hasn't had a consistent content style in two years anyway I don't think we have to worry that much about dinof content being touched. He'll go by Dan Howell at conventions, change his twitter @, everything else either stays the same or changes so slowly it doesn't matter.

Are Dan and Phil really 'big' though? Like fandom wise it might seem that way but looking at the numbers and relevancy outside of fandom (especially since quitting the radio) they're like... in the upper layer of mid tier YouTubers. And they're probably past their prime by now.

Are you considering the 'tiers' to be in terms of popularity/growth, or earning? Because earning wise, yeah, the fandom base puts them in the top tier I think. There are youtubers with the same number of subscribers as Phil that don't get nearly the opportunities or have the demand for them that Dan and Phil have, that wouldn't command long autograph lines, that don't get book deals.

[papierklemmen]

oh boy. the day dan joins the Filmmakers™ crowd of youtube and starts producing ~films~ will probably be the day i check out for good. he's been slightly annoying with his "good content" whinery lately but i pray it'll never reach the levels of jack howard/hazel hayes. as for chat shows or sitcoms... honestly, at this point it's pretty obvious that traditional media and "content creators" don't mix well. grace flopped, tyler oakley flopped, and their channels lost views in the process. deppy can do whatever they want, and they probably do want because no way they will find just youtube satisfactory after all the outside experience, but gotta choose wisely because they're way past their prime. also, they are not good at actings and they are very awkward interviewers. idek.