Dan & Phil Part 45: R.I.P danisnotonfire 2009-2017

[rizzo]

Phil's bedroom:
Seeing as the place apparently has so much storage, it could be that Phil's bedroom 'set' is purely that - just a bedroom, and he keeps all his other stuff in another room, like his own office. They seem to have enough space for both of them to keep their sleeping and work/leisure quarters separate, which is apparently the healthy thing to do. (I know I can't study for shit in my bedroom, too many distractions and thoughts of sleep.) So he can keep the bedroom quite bare, with his signature sheets, a set of drawers for props and some more miscellaneous props on top of it to keep the brightly-coloured AP feel, but he hangs out in other areas of the house. That's not to say I believe they're sleeping apart, though (not that it affects the meaning of their relationship if they did). The fact that he got a smaller bed, and also didn't mention anything about it in their joint liveshow had me very ... Also with how cramped his room looks (even if he's planning on moving stuff around) I'd find it annoying sleeping in such a small room with a clunky camera tripod and softbox always in the way, constantly reminding me of work...

has anyone found the floor plan of their new apartment? phils room could be much bigger than what is shown on camera and it's possible he just pushed the dresser into shot to jazz up the background

I do think the bed and dresser are close together in order to be in the shot, but the fact that they had to be that close together to be in the shot indicates that the room isn't big enough for the camera to be positioned far enough back to even achieve the same spacing as his last room had.

The only way things being so cramped makes sense is if either there actually is something else taking up a lot of space in his room blocking the camera from being put somewhere better, or the walls are just that close together that it was the only way he could fit everything in frame.

Offering another theory here that perhaps there are features to the room that could give away their apartment (similar to the glass divider, for example), so he did his best to position the camera to ensure the set looked as generic as possible.

I'm having a real hard time accepting myself as someone who is this Everything in me just wants to believe Dan and Phil and live in that ignorant bliss, but also, like... logic? Honestly, they make me so tired.

[howadorableright]

Phil's bedroom:
Seeing as the place apparently has so much storage, it could be that Phil's bedroom 'set' is purely that - just a bedroom, and he keeps all his other stuff in another room, like his own office. They seem to have enough space for both of them to keep their sleeping and work/leisure quarters separate, which is apparently the healthy thing to do. (I know I can't study for shit in my bedroom, too many distractions and thoughts of sleep.) So he can keep the bedroom quite bare, with his signature sheets, a set of drawers for props and some more miscellaneous props on top of it to keep the brightly-coloured AP feel, but he hangs out in other areas of the house. That's not to say I believe they're sleeping apart, though (not that it affects the meaning of their relationship if they did). The fact that he got a smaller bed, and also didn't mention anything about it in their joint liveshow had me very ... Also with how cramped his room looks (even if he's planning on moving stuff around) I'd find it annoying sleeping in such a small room with a clunky camera tripod and softbox always in the way, constantly reminding me of work...

has anyone found the floor plan of their new apartment? phils room could be much bigger than what is shown on camera and it's possible he just pushed the dresser into shot to jazz up the background

I do think the bed and dresser are close together in order to be in the shot, but the fact that they had to be that close together to be in the shot indicates that the room isn't big enough for the camera to be positioned far enough back to even achieve the same spacing as his last room had.

The only way things being so cramped makes sense is if either there actually is something else taking up a lot of space in his room blocking the camera from being put somewhere better, or the walls are just that close together that it was the only way he could fit everything in frame.

Offering another theory here that perhaps there are features to the room that could give away their apartment (similar to the glass divider, for example), so he did his best to position the camera to ensure the set looked as generic as possible.

I'm having a real hard time accepting myself as someone who is this Everything in me just wants to believe Dan and Phil and live in that ignorant bliss, but also, like... logic? Honestly, they make me so tired.

that's a plausible theory, seeing as my friend found out where they live just by seeing a window outside of their old apartment, which is pretty freaky. im sure this problem will arise when they finally buy a house as well.

i always wonder if the landlord or future real estate agent knows who they are or knows someone who's a fan

[gnostic]

Phil's bedroom:
Seeing as the place apparently has so much storage, it could be that Phil's bedroom 'set' is purely that - just a bedroom, and he keeps all his other stuff in another room, like his own office. They seem to have enough space for both of them to keep their sleeping and work/leisure quarters separate, which is apparently the healthy thing to do. (I know I can't study for shit in my bedroom, too many distractions and thoughts of sleep.) So he can keep the bedroom quite bare, with his signature sheets, a set of drawers for props and some more miscellaneous props on top of it to keep the brightly-coloured AP feel, but he hangs out in other areas of the house. That's not to say I believe they're sleeping apart, though (not that it affects the meaning of their relationship if they did). The fact that he got a smaller bed, and also didn't mention anything about it in their joint liveshow had me very ... Also with how cramped his room looks (even if he's planning on moving stuff around) I'd find it annoying sleeping in such a small room with a clunky camera tripod and softbox always in the way, constantly reminding me of work...

has anyone found the floor plan of their new apartment? phils room could be much bigger than what is shown on camera and it's possible he just pushed the dresser into shot to jazz up the background

I do think the bed and dresser are close together in order to be in the shot, but the fact that they had to be that close together to be in the shot indicates that the room isn't big enough for the camera to be positioned far enough back to even achieve the same spacing as his last room had.

The only way things being so cramped makes sense is if either there actually is something else taking up a lot of space in his room blocking the camera from being put somewhere better, or the walls are just that close together that it was the only way he could fit everything in frame.

Offering another theory here that perhaps there are features to the room that could give away their apartment (similar to the glass divider, for example), so he did his best to position the camera to ensure the set looked as generic as possible.

I'm having a real hard time accepting myself as someone who is this Everything in me just wants to believe Dan and Phil and live in that ignorant bliss, but also, like... logic? Honestly, they make me so tired.

that's a plausible theory, seeing as my friend found out where they live just by seeing a window outside of their old apartment, which is pretty freaky. im sure this problem will arise when they finally buy a house as well.

i always wonder if the landlord or future real estate agent knows who they are or knows someone who's a fan

Well if they rented in conventional London manner they would need to disclose source of their income to the landlord (assuming it wasn't a friend of theirs or w/e).

If I were a landlord i would think twice before renting to youtubers tbh

[Ashling Rae]

Re: Bedrooms I feel like neither bedrooms are (or have ever been) "beardrooms", per se. I feel like it is beneficial for multiple reasons to have their own rooms and their own beds, and it doesn't necessarily change my opinion of their relationship. My guess though would be that they regularly share a bed, but they might change up which bed they use depending on lots of different things, ie, which room needs to be clean for filming tomorrow, which bed sheets are in the wash and they can't be arsed to dry them, etc. They also probably do sleep separately, either also regularly or only on occasion, for reasons already listed.
Re: Bahamas I'm just super excited to see what the whole trip was about! If it was a distant-future kind of project, he probably wouldn't have teased us about it yet. I expect we'll know more within the next month.
[offtopic]I was watching PJ's live show the other day and a fan messaged asking "What should I do about all the phan shippers?" (He uploaded this live show, the "Edgar Titan" or something like that, when PJ responds like "I'm not sure that's appropriate to talk about on the live show, but thanks..." that's what the question was.) PJ handled it very gracefully and the best way he possibly could, but it got me thinking about how phan shippers seem to be mocked so much in the YouTube community, and I'm just dying to discuss more. I considered this morning that people may find it laughable when they don't know all the details and haven't done the research like some more dedicated fans have (whether the act of doing research is a positive or not). I guess I'm just wondering what makes phan shippers so much more worthy of ridicule (according to some) than fans of other ships. Is it because we as a collective have undoubtedly taken it too far in the past? Because we come across more passionate/serious about it than other fandoms? Maybe that they find the pairing in general laughable or problematic? Just kinda makes me sad for them, because they don't know the joy of phan. Idk, chime in if anyone else is interested in discussing this.[/offtopic]

[blackdenim]

[offtopic]I was watching PJ's live show the other day and a fan messaged asking "What should I do about all the phan shippers?" (He uploaded this live show, the "Edgar Titan" or something like that, when PJ responds like "I'm not sure that's appropriate to talk about on the live show, but thanks..." that's what the question was.) PJ handled it very gracefully and the best way he possibly could, but it got me thinking about how phan shippers seem to be mocked so much in the YouTube community, and I'm just dying to discuss more. I considered this morning that people may find it laughable when they don't know all the details and haven't done the research like some more dedicated fans have (whether the act of doing research is a positive or not). I guess I'm just wondering what makes phan shippers so much more worthy of ridicule (according to some) than fans of other ships. Is it because we as a collective have undoubtedly taken it too far in the past? Because we come across more passionate/serious about it than other fandoms? Maybe that they find the pairing in general laughable or problematic? Just kinda makes me sad for them, because they don't know the joy of phan. Idk, chime in if anyone else is interested in discussing this.[/offtopic]

I do think D&P are together but I still find the hardcore shippers offputting. For me it's that the casual 'proof' people discuss when it comes to them (and to be fair when it comes to a lot of ships) always sounds so ridiculous out of context like 'oh Dan looked at Phil a certain way they must be in love (I still can not see Heart-Eye's Howell for the life of me)' 'Phil's bedroom is smaller than in the old flat they must be secretly sharing'. It all just sounds a bit... desperate if you see it in a vacuum. But we know we're all discussing it in context of their history and the vday vid and so on, but if you don't know the details of any of that stuff it comes across as really reaching.

Also some people make bizarre imaginative leaps - last night on Tumblr I was seeing people fully convinced that PJ and Louise were going to a Phan wedding in the Bahamas based on a couple of off-hand comments from the two of them, and Dan's tweet.

That kind of stuff makes me think any shipper is a bit ridiculous, personally. I think that combined by the sheer number of Phan shippers relative to the size of the Phandom (it's more common to ship them than not, whereas other fandoms I've been in shippers have usually been the minority). And just the fact that hardcore shipping as a concept isn't really a very mainstream thing to do outside of internet culture, especially not real person shipping, and also considering the Phandom is EVERYWHERE, all over Twitter, in every YouTube comments section, etc. I think that if you're a casual YouTube consumer or even someone who doesn't know much about YT at all but spends a lot of time elsewhere on the internet you're just going to think 'all these people who are obsessed with these two best friends being in a relationship are a bit weird, really'.

[lost686girl]

[offtopic]I was watching PJ's live show the other day and a fan messaged asking "What should I do about all the phan shippers?" (He uploaded this live show, the "Edgar Titan" or something like that, when PJ responds like "I'm not sure that's appropriate to talk about on the live show, but thanks..." that's what the question was.) PJ handled it very gracefully and the best way he possibly could, but it got me thinking about how phan shippers seem to be mocked so much in the YouTube community, and I'm just dying to discuss more. I considered this morning that people may find it laughable when they don't know all the details and haven't done the research like some more dedicated fans have (whether the act of doing research is a positive or not). I guess I'm just wondering what makes phan shippers so much more worthy of ridicule (according to some) than fans of other ships. Is it because we as a collective have undoubtedly taken it too far in the past? Because we come across more passionate/serious about it than other fandoms? Maybe that they find the pairing in general laughable or problematic? Just kinda makes me sad for them, because they don't know the joy of phan. Idk, chime in if anyone else is interested in discussing this.[/offtopic]

I do think D&P are together but I still find the hardcore shippers offputting. For me it's that the casual 'proof' people discuss when it comes to them (and to be fair when it comes to a lot of ships) always sounds so ridiculous out of context like 'oh Dan looked at Phil a certain way they must be in love (I still can not see Heart-Eye's Howell for the life of me)' 'Phil's bedroom is smaller than in the old flat they must be secretly sharing'. It all just sounds a bit... desperate if you see it in a vacuum. But we know we're all discussing it in context of their history and the vday vid and so on, but if you don't know the details of any of that stuff it comes across as really reaching.

Also some people make bizarre imaginative leaps - last night on Tumblr I was seeing people fully convinced that PJ and Louise were going to a Phan wedding in the Bahamas based on a couple of off-hand comments from the two of them, and Dan's tweet.

That kind of stuff makes me think any shipper is a bit ridiculous, personally. I think that combined by the sheer number of Phan shippers relative to the size of the Phandom (it's more common to ship them than not, whereas other fandoms I've been in shippers have usually been the minority). And just the fact that hardcore shipping as a concept isn't really a very mainstream thing to do outside of internet culture, especially not real person shipping, and also considering the Phandom is EVERYWHERE, all over Twitter, in every YouTube comments section, etc. I think that if you're a casual YouTube consumer or even someone who doesn't know much about YT at all but spends a lot of time elsewhere on the internet you're just going to think 'all these people who are obsessed with these two best friends being in a relationship are a bit weird, really'.

But isn't being in a fandom supposed to be kind of ridiculous and fun? I don't support spamming YouTube comment sections but I believe that happens bc dan and phil have quite a young and immature fan base (which is not a bad thing as young fans buy lots of merchandise lol)

But speculation on a forum or Tumblr? harmless

[VengefulBlue]

I was watching PJ's live show the other day and a fan messaged asking "What should I do about all the phan shippers?" (He uploaded this live show, the "Edgar Titan" or something like that, when PJ responds like "I'm not sure that's appropriate to talk about on the live show, but thanks..." that's what the question was.) PJ handled it very gracefully and the best way he possibly could, but it got me thinking about how phan shippers seem to be mocked so much in the YouTube community, and I'm just dying to discuss more. I considered this morning that people may find it laughable when they don't know all the details and haven't done the research like some more dedicated fans have (whether the act of doing research is a positive or not). I guess I'm just wondering what makes phan shippers so much more worthy of ridicule (according to some) than fans of other ships. Is it because we as a collective have undoubtedly taken it too far in the past? Because we come across more passionate/serious about it than other fandoms? Maybe that they find the pairing in general laughable or problematic? Just kinda makes me sad for them, because they don't know the joy of phan. Idk, chime in if anyone else is interested in discussing this.

i think there's a lot of reasons. i'm gonna try to go in the order you mentioned.
1. the idea that we would 'research' proof that their together is frankly ridiculous to most people, because that means we're invested in the idea and it's not just a passing curiosity or a casual ship.
2. we've taken it too far in the past. we take it too far now. phans tweet at deppy and demand they get married, get pets, have kids. as a collective, we are still overstepping our bounds daily, still being creepy af.
3. phan shippers are actually serious. we aren't saying they'd be cute together, we're saying they are together. and most of us seem to believe that to some extent, that they really are together and therefore we are intelligent and insightful by noticing proof, not desperate and reaching.
4. it could be that people mock phan shippers because of the pairing themselves. maybe they think it's funny how deppy can still be so exciting to us after nearly 8 years of speculation, and they're quietly shading them for using the secrecy to maintain interest. OR maybe they really truly aren't together, and when people mock the shippers it's a dig at us, how after all these years we're still trying to prove something's there that isn't, and people who really know them find it totally impossible to imagine them together. (i doubt it, but maybe)

but i think the biggest reason people, especially youtubers, mock phan shippers is fear. no matter what anyone says, we believe phan is real. no amount of denial makes a difference, and that has to be scary. the idea that people might 100% genuinely believe something about you, and nothing you do can change that. by presenting phan shippers as crazy people, or overzealous, or perverts, they make their own fans back off. if their fans act the way we do, those youtubers will not like them, the fans will be mocked as mercilessly as we are. by using phan shippers as a joke, they're protected from the intense scrutiny and over-analysis deppy deal with.
edit: also, even if phan isn't real, i highly doubt they've got other partners. because most people would not be willing to deal with being with a guy and keeping it secret because millions of people think he's dating his best friend. that's a bit much. so if phan isn't real, and they feel they need the shipping for the $$$ it brings in, we shippers are effectively ruining their chances at developing other long-term relationships. if i was a youtuber and i knew that was a thing, i would be sure to mock the phandom for that. (i don't think that's what's up, but it could be )

[loonyradish]

[offtopic]I was watching PJ's live show the other day and a fan messaged asking "What should I do about all the phan shippers?" (He uploaded this live show, the "Edgar Titan" or something like that, when PJ responds like "I'm not sure that's appropriate to talk about on the live show, but thanks..." that's what the question was.) PJ handled it very gracefully and the best way he possibly could, but it got me thinking about how phan shippers seem to be mocked so much in the YouTube community, and I'm just dying to discuss more. I considered this morning that people may find it laughable when they don't know all the details and haven't done the research like some more dedicated fans have (whether the act of doing research is a positive or not). I guess I'm just wondering what makes phan shippers so much more worthy of ridicule (according to some) than fans of other ships. Is it because we as a collective have undoubtedly taken it too far in the past? Because we come across more passionate/serious about it than other fandoms? Maybe that they find the pairing in general laughable or problematic? Just kinda makes me sad for them, because they don't know the joy of phan. Idk, chime in if anyone else is interested in discussing this.[/offtopic]

I think it might be because if you're a "casual fan" who doesn't watch every single video, or not watching them at all, it seems like we're just overreacting (which we're sometimes, tbh ). It's not plausible for someone who hasn't seen so much of them, maybe.
I started watching them in 2013, but it took me 2 years until I shipped them, because I only saw every third or fourth video, and I found it quite annoying when people in the comments wrote only about the ship. I also felt like it was kinda disrespectful to them, not responding to their (great!) content, but instead only arguing about how often they looked at each other.
At some point in 2015 I got suddenly more into their videos and the fandom, and read a lot of the 2009-ask/dailybooth-stuff, which convinced me that they had something more going on than a platonic friendship. But for people who don't know about all of those posts, it must be weird that we're all so focused on them being together.

[blackdenim]

[offtopic]I was watching PJ's live show the other day and a fan messaged asking "What should I do about all the phan shippers?" (He uploaded this live show, the "Edgar Titan" or something like that, when PJ responds like "I'm not sure that's appropriate to talk about on the live show, but thanks..." that's what the question was.) PJ handled it very gracefully and the best way he possibly could, but it got me thinking about how phan shippers seem to be mocked so much in the YouTube community, and I'm just dying to discuss more. I considered this morning that people may find it laughable when they don't know all the details and haven't done the research like some more dedicated fans have (whether the act of doing research is a positive or not). I guess I'm just wondering what makes phan shippers so much more worthy of ridicule (according to some) than fans of other ships. Is it because we as a collective have undoubtedly taken it too far in the past? Because we come across more passionate/serious about it than other fandoms? Maybe that they find the pairing in general laughable or problematic? Just kinda makes me sad for them, because they don't know the joy of phan. Idk, chime in if anyone else is interested in discussing this.[/offtopic]

I do think D&P are together but I still find the hardcore shippers offputting. For me it's that the casual 'proof' people discuss when it comes to them (and to be fair when it comes to a lot of ships) always sounds so ridiculous out of context like 'oh Dan looked at Phil a certain way they must be in love (I still can not see Heart-Eye's Howell for the life of me)' 'Phil's bedroom is smaller than in the old flat they must be secretly sharing'. It all just sounds a bit... desperate if you see it in a vacuum. But we know we're all discussing it in context of their history and the vday vid and so on, but if you don't know the details of any of that stuff it comes across as really reaching.

Also some people make bizarre imaginative leaps - last night on Tumblr I was seeing people fully convinced that PJ and Louise were going to a Phan wedding in the Bahamas based on a couple of off-hand comments from the two of them, and Dan's tweet.

That kind of stuff makes me think any shipper is a bit ridiculous, personally. I think that combined by the sheer number of Phan shippers relative to the size of the Phandom (it's more common to ship them than not, whereas other fandoms I've been in shippers have usually been the minority). And just the fact that hardcore shipping as a concept isn't really a very mainstream thing to do outside of internet culture, especially not real person shipping, and also considering the Phandom is EVERYWHERE, all over Twitter, in every YouTube comments section, etc. I think that if you're a casual YouTube consumer or even someone who doesn't know much about YT at all but spends a lot of time elsewhere on the internet you're just going to think 'all these people who are obsessed with these two best friends being in a relationship are a bit weird, really'.

But isn't being in a fandom supposed to be kind of ridiculous and fun? I don't support spamming YouTube comment sections but I believe that happens bc dan and phil have quite a young and immature fan base (which is not a bad thing as young fans buy lots of merchandise lol)

But speculation on a forum or Tumblr? harmless

Well yeah it is harmless but I'm just explaining why I think Phan shippers might have an extra bad reputation. They just seem a lot more intense than most fandoms!

[000dia000]

[offtopic]I was watching PJ's live show the other day and a fan messaged asking "What should I do about all the phan shippers?" (He uploaded this live show, the "Edgar Titan" or something like that, when PJ responds like "I'm not sure that's appropriate to talk about on the live show, but thanks..." that's what the question was.) PJ handled it very gracefully and the best way he possibly could, but it got me thinking about how phan shippers seem to be mocked so much in the YouTube community, and I'm just dying to discuss more. I considered this morning that people may find it laughable when they don't know all the details and haven't done the research like some more dedicated fans have (whether the act of doing research is a positive or not). I guess I'm just wondering what makes phan shippers so much more worthy of ridicule (according to some) than fans of other ships. Is it because we as a collective have undoubtedly taken it too far in the past? Because we come across more passionate/serious about it than other fandoms? Maybe that they find the pairing in general laughable or problematic? Just kinda makes me sad for them, because they don't know the joy of phan. Idk, chime in if anyone else is interested in discussing this.[/offtopic]

I think some people find it an invasion of privacy and an overreach of boundaries. Some people also think it's indulging sexual fantasy, straight-girls are often ridiculed for their gay male ships. While that discussion is a whole other thing in itself, the fact remains that everybody who may be inclined to ship are all lumped into the same category, and it is regarded as something perverted and weird. That's my general assumption. I think a lot of non-shippers would actively refuse to look at proof, either because they think it's an invasion of their privacy, they argue that deppy do not wish to see it, they don't want to know the truth, or they just think it was created by tin-hatters.

If anybody wants a good example of what people actively think of "real-person shippers" I came across this here: cringe worthy fans at the unhhhh panel at dragcon
This is a discussion regarding a fan reading out fanfic at the panel of two people shipped together, everybody's anger, and the fallout comments. The kind of attention drawn towards shippers, teenage girls, and even straight women is telling in itself.
Notable comments about shipping under spoiler:

[this situation was cringe, really invasive, and terrible. The content and the theme is a different conversation, and completely deserved of the negative response, however I still find the misogynistic comments from the an lgbt+ fandom disappointing to read. Nevertheless, if anybody is interested in the response of people outside of fandoms and shipping.]

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4poc6/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4p5bd/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh55six/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4zavm/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4und0/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4usg2/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4p6ct/

However, an interesting comment I read from this, was a personal one where somebody said (paraphrased) expressing their hatred for real-life shipping, and even dislike for fictional shipping. So, while shipping in general is looked down upon, real-life shipping is generally just found as disgusting for some reason. Honestly? They're not wrong. When I started watching deppy, I was weirded out, I found it ridiculous, and I ignored it mostly, until I worked my way back to their old videos and came to the conclusion their "flirtatious" manner led to people shipping them. So, I did research and *puts on sunglasses* found out the truth. Even now, whenever people have real-life shipping, I find it weird, and I can't help it. I just do. If I wasn't invested in deppy, I wouldn't even amuse myself with "shipping" as much as I do. Other people must feel the same: it's pointless, the people will get SO's and break up the ship, they could break up, forcing it on them makes them uncomfortable, the same reasons repeated over and over.

And again. The same story as ever. I feel that a lot of anti-shippers for phan, feel so, based on Dan's indignant responses to the matter at the time. While you could be a shipper, non-shipper, there's no denying that Dan was upset (Phil most likely distraught and secretly so, that he wouldn't ever address it). There's no denying, that even though the voldy leak was an accident, the subsequent questioning and questioning and shoving it in their face, was breaking boundaries. I think this remains a "reason" for anti-shippers, or casual phans who don't want anything to do with it, they see this aggressive response back, and see that for the people being shipped, that it isn't a pleasant experience.

I remember Tomska leaving Eddsworld, and the reason for doing so was because the community shipped two characters from the show together, and therefore shipped the real life men together. Going so far as to harass them on social media, and their respective SO's, going so far that Tom actually left participation in the fandom. While some real life shipping can be harmless, some can go far enough to cause tension and strain in relationships. It's real people's lives, at the end of the day, and some people need to put that before the feelings of strangers on the internet.

I think that the phandom are actively targeted and ridiculed, for several reasons. For one, well "shipping" is looked down upon in general, second, the phandom are quite known for finding and spreading any mention or sight of Dan or Phil, regardless of content, and ignoring any invasion of privacy. There also remains other reasons: youtubers looking down on younger people, and any content geared towards that, and in particular anything that has a predominantly teenage girl fanbase. Objectively, the phandom comes across as invasive, over-the-top, and manic, and them being not an adult fanbase doesn't help. [There are older phans, but that's aside from the point, people always target the younger ones.]

I think, when it boils down to it, people don't like what they don't understand. While real-person shipping, can mostly be harmless, when it begins to affect the lives and actual relationships of people involved, then it crosses the line.

[howadorableright]

If anybody wants a good example of what people actively think of "real-person shippers" I came across this here: cringe worthy fans at the unhhhh panel at dragcon
This is a discussion regarding a fan reading out fanfic at the panel of two people shipped together, everybody's anger, and the fallout comments. The kind of attention drawn towards shippers, teenage girls, and even straight women is telling in itself.
Notable comments about shipping under spoiler:

[this situation was cringe, really invasive, and terrible. The content and the theme is a different conversation, and completely deserved of the negative response, however I still find the misogynistic comments from the an lgbt+ fandom disappointing to read. Nevertheless, if anybody is interested in the response of people outside of fandoms and shipping.]

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4poc6/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4p5bd/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh55six/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4zavm/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4und0/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4usg2/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4p6ct/

However, an interesting comment I read from this, was a personal one where somebody said (paraphrased) expressing their hatred for real-life shipping, and even dislike for fictional shipping. So, while shipping in general is looked down upon, real-life shipping is generally just found as disgusting for some reason. Honestly? They're not wrong. When I started watching deppy, I was weirded out, I found it ridiculous, and I ignored it mostly, until I worked my way back to their old videos and came to the conclusion their "flirtatious" manner led to people shipping them. So, I did research and *puts on sunglasses* found out the truth. Even now, whenever people have real-life shipping, I find it weird, and I can't help it. I just do. If I wasn't invested in deppy, I wouldn't even amuse myself with "shipping" as much as I do. Other people must feel the same: it's pointless, the people will get SO's and break up the ship, they could break up, forcing it on them makes them uncomfortable, the same reasons repeated over and over.

in response to the dragcon thing:
trixie and katya both asked the person reading the fanfic to stop multiple times and it was uncomfortable for everyone, especially since trixie's boyfriend was in the crowd

as for dan and phil—maybe im missing something but did you say what dan (and most likely phil) was upset about? im sure it was there somewhere but it just went over my head

[throwaway]

Saw a vid on Twitter of them at Universal, so no Bahamas yet

Edited: I knwo the whole privacy issue but the girl muttering «Dan what a fucking l...» was fun

So who are the other 3 people with them?

[howadorableright]

Saw a vid on Twitter of them at Universal, so no Bahamas yet

Edited: I knwo the whole privacy issue but the girl muttering «Dan what a fucking l...» was fun

So who are the other 3 people with them?

i know cat was with them so im gonna assume the other two people were also youtubers

[throwaway]

Again who are these people?


Also the fact that you guys are taking pictures like paparazzi's is creepy AF.

Sorry.

[howadorableright]

Again who are these people?


Also the fact that you guys are taking pictures like paparazzi's is creepy AF.

Sorry.

i think phil was with marianne?

i feel like i read that somewhere but i could be wrong

[obliviongrace]

I do not know how to embed instagram posts, but Dan liked Tom Daley's most recent instagram picture of his wedding, which is sweet: https://www.instagram.com/p/BT0zQ4ljL6Q ... mdaley1994

[throwaway]

Saw a vid on Twitter of them at Universal, so no Bahamas yet

Edited: I knwo the whole privacy issue but the girl muttering «Dan what a fucking l...» was fun

So who are the other 3 people with them?

i know cat was with them so im gonna assume the other two people were also youtubers

Its not cat because her instagram story shows her in a different outfit.

[DatCog]

I do not know how to embed instagram posts, but Dan liked Tom Daley's most recent instagram picture of his wedding, which is sweet: https://www.instagram.com/p/BT0zQ4ljL6Q ... mdaley1994

Awww that's lovely! Tom is a local hero here (we come from the same county) and he got married on Dartmoor which is beautiful and so romantic. I'm pleased that I share a wedding anniversary with Tom and Lance...6th May is a great day!

[throwaway]

Again who are these people?


Also the fact that you guys are taking pictures like paparazzi's is creepy AF.

Sorry.

i think phil was with marianne?

i feel like i read that somewhere but i could be wrong

Who is that? can't find anything about her via google.

[VengefulBlue]

throwaway: marianne is their manager

[alittledizzy]

Who is that? can't find anything about her via google.

It's Marianne, their manager with Flipside. She's the person with them every time they travel for work, who attends meet and greets with them and keeps the line moving along, so she's had a lot of visibility with fans over the past couple of years and is easily recognizable.

[Ablissa]

Again who are these people?


Also the fact that you guys are taking pictures like paparazzi's is creepy AF.

Sorry.

I feel this shouldn't have to be pointed out, but I don't think anybody on this forum stalks and takes pictures of them, note how all the photos/videos/whatevers come from external sources.

[VengefulBlue]

Saw a vid on Twitter of them at Universal, so no Bahamas yet

Edited: I knwo the whole privacy issue but the girl muttering «Dan what a fucking l...» was fun

So who are the other 3 people with them?

the guy up front in blue shirt appears to be security/event worker (something is printed on back of his shirt), then there's marianne, then an unknown bald guy.

[000dia000]

If anybody wants a good example of what people actively think of "real-person shippers" I came across this here: cringe worthy fans at the unhhhh panel at dragcon
This is a discussion regarding a fan reading out fanfic at the panel of two people shipped together, everybody's anger, and the fallout comments. The kind of attention drawn towards shippers, teenage girls, and even straight women is telling in itself.
Notable comments about shipping under spoiler:

[this situation was cringe, really invasive, and terrible. The content and the theme is a different conversation, and completely deserved of the negative response, however I still find the misogynistic comments from the an lgbt+ fandom disappointing to read. Nevertheless, if anybody is interested in the response of people outside of fandoms and shipping.]

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4poc6/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4p5bd/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh55six/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4zavm/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4und0/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4usg2/

http://www.reddit.com/r/rupaulsdragrace ... n/dh4p6ct/

However, an interesting comment I read from this, was a personal one where somebody said (paraphrased) expressing their hatred for real-life shipping, and even dislike for fictional shipping. So, while shipping in general is looked down upon, real-life shipping is generally just found as disgusting for some reason. Honestly? They're not wrong. When I started watching deppy, I was weirded out, I found it ridiculous, and I ignored it mostly, until I worked my way back to their old videos and came to the conclusion their "flirtatious" manner led to people shipping them. So, I did research and *puts on sunglasses* found out the truth. Even now, whenever people have real-life shipping, I find it weird, and I can't help it. I just do. If I wasn't invested in deppy, I wouldn't even amuse myself with "shipping" as much as I do. Other people must feel the same: it's pointless, the people will get SO's and break up the ship, they could break up, forcing it on them makes them uncomfortable, the same reasons repeated over and over.

in response to the dragcon thing:
trixie and katya both asked the person reading the fanfic to stop multiple times and it was uncomfortable for everyone, especially since trixie's boyfriend was in the crowd

as for dan and phil—maybe im missing something but did you say what dan (and most likely phil) was upset about? im sure it was there somewhere but it just went over my head

The dragcon thing is a different story tbh I was just relating people's opinions on real life shipping. I think the story is interesting to read up on, but irreverent.

What Dan and Phil seemed upset about is the shipping in general, and the Valentine's day video (I called it voldy, the name for it on this forum). Just for clarification.

[fancybum]

throwaway if you're trying to get some speculation going about Phil having a wife or girlfriend, I'm sorry to have to be the one to tell you that she recently died in a freak roof collapse accident so maybe give the man some time to grieve adequately, ok?