Dan & Phil Part 73: my furry bf

[Stakhanov]

But I dont consider them youtubers anymore. They're entrepreneurs. They have branched to so much stuff and I wouldn't be surprised if they entered the online world with a production company, not just for youtubers. It's my dream for Phil, I admit it. I like their creative stuff and wouldn't mind seeing more of it but it's not where the majority of their revenue come from.

That said I think his attitude towards videos right now isn't surprising and I don't think it's surprising. Tour is a big thing to worry about and it's their priority

Now I wanna mention the dream I had last night because it felt too real

i dreamed that Dan posted the trailer and it was filmed DITL style of a show, so a mix of tatinof documentary and ditl. I don't remember all of it, but I remember that it ended with a frame of a hotel room, the camera facing a big window with light coming in and in the frame was the lower part of a double bed where you could see two sets of legs under a sheet and the beginning of two shirtless chests, one of them with glasses laying on it, clearly deppy. It was just silent and then the frame faded to "Dan and Phil will see you in America"

It felt so real that when I woke up I checked all of their channels to see if it was actually posted, I'm still shooketh about it

Yes I would agree they are increasingly entrepreneurs but they wouldn't be the first youtubers who did well on the platform but couldn't translate that to other media. They haven't really been tested enough. The radio show did get 'axed' and it's unclear what the circumstances were. The show, the books, all the merch ... it shows they certainly aren't afraid to do new things but it all heavily relies on their youtube. Or on the personal connection they have with their audience, through vlogging.

Your dream is one of a kind Now that would be a trailer that would garner attention. They should just sleep together for marketing reasons. I also like how you're keeping a silent and artistic aesthetic in your dream. Just them casually revealing Phan by flashing their naked chests and feet and welcoming you to America :mrgreen: Looks like the US is getting a very different show

[flarequake]

that dream is brilliant. So artistic, good glasses placement.

I don’t have a lot to add. I imagine Dan does have a list of ideas, but, as he’s said, it hasn’t been the right time yet. I’ve had characters I was writing a novel about for so long that I scrapped the idea and am trying to piece together a new one that doesn’t bore me. Who knows what’s up with him, if it’s just perfectionism, lack of energy after gaming videos, plus touring, or what.

Dean Dobbs has enough of his own fanbase, don’t worry. He does drawing videos and, well, I don’t know much else, but he’s popular enough. They’re gathering a few more people under the IRL banner such as Lucy Moon, but each of them only has a few pieces of merch and not such a huge fanbase as Deps, so I don’t know if that alone would sustain them in retirement.

Joe and Caspar have started their own management agency. It’s possible Dan and Phil would think of that, they’ll have enough insight for it.

Elemancy’s post got me thinking of Phil presenting nature documentaries or something like Vsauce or Crash Course with shorter videos about quirky facts from the animal kingdom. I’m intrigued if either of them would write a novel, I thought Dan’s fanfic in Tabinof was good and Phil’s writing was simpler, when it wasn’t ridiculous, but I prefer that anyway.

[liola]

Glad you're enjoying my dream, my brain obviously put a lot of thoughts into it to make it artistic enough instead of trashy :mrgreen:

[Stakhanov]

The part of the dream you remember at least. Who knows what your unconscious mind has been up to

[lefthandedism]

I have a difficult relationship with Dan's content. I like a lot of it but if I look at the complete picture, it has never been my cup of tea. To be honest, I think he shines way more when he's making videos with Phil because we see him in a more personal interaction and not just a persona heavy product. I know people might disagree but that's just my opinion.

That's so interesting. When I joined the phandom a bit over two years ago (right as tatinof was heading to America), I loved Dan's videos with Tyler/Louise/TomSka and hated his then-current videos with Phil (I wasn't really watching the gaming channel at that point). I thought Dan was so funny and (at least somewhat) open with other people, and just weird with Phil (I still dislike pinofs 5-7). Especially since I was comparing to the original pinof/AmazingDan vibes.

Of course, now we are in the Post-Baking Universe, and things have changed a lot. Dan and Phil are adorable together and I enjoy their joint content now, but I still reach back to the Tyler/Louise/TomSka collabs when I want to enjoy Dan interacting with someone (and laugh out loud).

Fabulous dream, btw.

[alittledizzy]

[flarequake]

I replied “hairspray”, but it’s probably the easiest thing for him to remember. After sweets.

[bookfiend]

Does anyone else think that part of Dan and Phil’s decline on YouTube may (at least partly) have to do with the platform itself?

YouTube has not had a great year in general with mess up after mess up.
We’ve spoken before about issues with subs and notifications on new videos.
Since YouTubes changes it’s becoming harder to get new audiences attention as you won’t trend if the algorithms deem anything even remotely inappropriate. And videos being unfairly demonetised or copyright striked is tanking channels. (As most gaming, history and LGBT channels will tell you.)

I’ve heard a bunch of channels discuss this, (though i admit I mostly watch gamers) even big one’s like Jacksepticeye have been hit by it. Though I bet the financial impact for the big names hasn’t been anywhere near as bad as it has for lower/ mid tier youtubers.
Game Theory announced changes last night because one of their main contributors views was being affected too much.

On top of that between people like Pewdiepie and the Paul brothers scandals and YouTubes refusal to take action is giving the platform a bad rep. Even stories like Zoella’s calander, Alfie’s recent mess up, and Jack Maynard whose past tweets got dragged up have not been good press. Their behaviour makes it embarrassing to say you’re a YouTuber.
Given the way things are going I can understand why those who want a career in music, radio or television etc try to distance themselves from the site that gave them their fame. Because otherwise people won’t take them seriously.

Now anti gay ads have been playing on LBGT creators channels and control is being taken away bit by bit from the creators.

YouTubes really been trying to use algorithms to solve its problems rather than putting any time or resources towards solving the actual issues it has and it’s upsetting everyone.

No platform lasts forever, and no company to big to fall. Just ask myspace.
All it takes is for another Facebook or Twitch to come and steal your crown and enough big names to jump ship

[lesterchuu]

that new insta story from phil is quite adorable...thanks for watering your children (us) today, phil

also boy if he took a sneaky story of dans reaction, that wouldve been cute too but i think i like this better cz it means they mess w each other all the time and him going "it would be funny to share that" as an AFTERTHOUGHT makes me go awww

[hello9217]

Based on phil's last story my guess for the series that they are recording while they are away is Detroit: Become Human since that looks like one of the characters from it. I've seen a few people play it and it's a really good game.

[wiccamoody]

I love how ridiculous they are. It makes me soft

[knq]

True love is taking a photo of the person who just made you jump so that he can brag on the internet about how he just made you jump.

I don’t think dnp would play a voice acted game. They need to be able to bant.

[lilabet]

Does anyone else think that part of Dan and Phil’s decline on YouTube may (at least partly) have to do with the platform itself?

YouTube has not had a great year in general with mess up after mess up.
We’ve spoken before about issues with subs and notifications on new videos.
Since YouTubes changes it’s becoming harder to get new audiences attention as you won’t trend if the algorithms deem anything even remotely inappropriate. And videos being unfairly demonetised or copyright striked is tanking channels. (As most gaming, history and LGBT channels will tell you.)

I’ve heard a bunch of channels discuss this, (though i admit I mostly watch gamers) even big one’s like Jacksepticeye have been hit by it. Though I bet the financial impact for the big names hasn’t been anywhere near as bad as it has for lower/ mid tier youtubers.
Game Theory announced changes last night because one of their main contributors views was being affected too much.

On top of that between people like Pewdiepie and the Paul brothers scandals and YouTubes refusal to take action is giving the platform a bad rep. Even stories like Zoella’s calander, Alfie’s recent mess up, and Jack Maynard whose past tweets got dragged up have not been good press. Their behaviour makes it embarrassing to say you’re a YouTuber.
Given the way things are going I can understand why those who want a career in music, radio or television etc try to distance themselves from the site that gave them their fame. Because otherwise people won’t take them seriously.

Now anti gay ads have been playing on LBGT creators channels and control is being taken away bit by bit from the creators.

YouTubes really been trying to use algorithms to solve its problems rather than putting any time or resources towards solving the actual issues it has and it’s upsetting everyone.

No platform lasts forever, and no company to big to fall. Just ask myspace.
All it takes is for another Facebook or Twitch to come and steal your crown and enough big names to jump ship

I think a lot of it is down to YouTube and also Tumblr slowly dying.
With YouTube especially the trending page is all network clips/interviews/skits and the occasional movie trailer. There is hardly ever a youtuber on there. They really need to separate the two and promote their content creators. This has been the case for a while but people found things via tumblr and the GIFs etc. Now with people leaving Tumblr there's no way to find new things. The YT home page does curate you things to watch but it's all stuff you already know.
Even twitter and Instagram have crap notifications for things you do want to find.

[dancy]

Based on phil's last story my guess for the series that they are recording while they are away is Detroit: Become Human since that looks like one of the characters from it. I've seen a few people play it and it's a really good game.

My heart did a lil' jump when I realised they now own Detroit: Become Human, it's such a beautiful and great game. I'm not quite sure whether they'll actually play it on the gaming channel though because I vaguely remember Dan not wanting to play Life Is Strange (which is also an interactive movie game like Detroit: Become Human) on DAPG because we'd analyze the choices they'd make too much or something along those lines. And didn't he also say he regretted not playing Undertale by himself or something? Not to mention, it's quite a long game (especially with commentary) so even if they tried to make a series of it, I don't think they'd be able to finish it in time. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that I would absolutely loooooove to see them play it and hear their thoughts on it. I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope that they'll mention it during a liveshow. I'm also still quite curious as to whether they actually got around to filming a gaming series and if yes, what they've played.

Anyway... trailer today?

[LtrllySusan]

No DAPG / game spoilers please!

But yes, trailer today. I'm looking forward to some 1080p ii stuff! I hope people are aware that the video will probably be 1-2 min max.

[fieldoflovers]

Based on phil's last story my guess for the series that they are recording while they are away is Detroit: Become Human since that looks like one of the characters from it. I've seen a few people play it and it's a really good game.

My heart did a lil' jump when I realised they now own Detroit: Become Human, it's such a beautiful and great game. I'm not quite sure whether they'll actually play it on the gaming channel though because I vaguely remember Dan not wanting to play Life Is Strange (which is also an interactive movie game like Detroit: Become Human) on DAPG because we'd analyze the choices they'd make too much or something along those lines. And didn't he also say he regretted not playing Undertale by himself or something? Not to mention, it's quite a long game (especially with commentary) so even if they tried to make a series of it, I don't think they'd be able to finish it in time. However, that doesn't take away from the fact that I would absolutely loooooove to see them play it and hear their thoughts on it. I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope that they'll mention it during a liveshow. I'm also still quite curious as to whether they actually got around to filming a gaming series and if yes, what they've played.

Anyway... trailer today?

that sounds really interesting, i got an ad of it on yt today and it looked cool, if not a whole series, they could do a first impressions, first 20 minutes kind of thing? i think they should do that with more serious games tbh, cause they can get the bantz without committing to an entire series, also does anyone think that instead of spooky week, once in a while they should sprinkle in something more serious?

[lilabet]

While we wait for the trailer...

Okay this is mostly off topic but kind of relevant because of their recent Queer Eye mentions and likes.

Antoni (Queer Eye) gave the most Dan answer to a question including the phrase 'existential angst'. The question starts at 01:30:30 but I actually recommend the entire interview.


I find it interesting that Dan seems to identify the most with Antoni who doesn't label himself and seems to still be growing into his sexuality. Antoni was even in a poly relationship once (attitude magazine).

Then again Dan could just find him hot. I mostly find him adorable and love his relationship/friendship with Tan.

[greenergrass]

While we wait for the trailer...

Okay this is mostly off topic but kind of relevant because of their recent Queer Eye mentions and likes.

Antoni (Queer Eye) gave the most Dan answer to a question including the phrase 'existential angst'. The question starts at 01:30:30 but I actually recommend the entire interview.


I find it interesting that Dan seems to identify the most with Antoni who doesn't label himself and seems to still be growing into his sexuality. Antoni was even in a poly relationship once (attitude magazine).

Then again Dan could just find him hot. I mostly find him adorable and live his relationship with Tan.

I haven't gotten to that part of the interview yet so I don't have anything substantial to say, but I just wanted to say I love that you posted this when that is exactly what I'm doing right now - watching this interview while I wait for the trailer to be posted

[wiccamoody]

[SquishPhan]

Well, that was a two minute trailer.

Not much else to say about it to be honest. Except for: nicely edited (I guess) Dan.

[sonicgreen]

Left some sweet validation on the video, but didn’t watch... I’m so sad that the first dinof content in 3 months and I can’t watch it bc I’m avoiding spoilers.

[Ablissa]

I'd have loved for it to be longer but it was exactly what they said, a trailer of the show. It's not revealing and feels like an actual commercial. The editing was very good imo and I liked it.
I soooo hope they release the full show at some point...

Edit: just noticed I didn't get the "bell" from youtube. I got an email, but not the bell. I hope that there's no glitch to screw up their views now.

[flarequake]

Woo, trailer! It’s very zippy and snappy, he has indeed done some very good editing. Loads of lovely reviews, nearly every bit of the show hinted at (not sure that’s such a good thing), loved the candid shots of them to the camera. Snazzy editing Also I love the thumbnail. Very glowy, firm stance, kinda hot

Been refreshing for ages, going to bed now.

[ratlad]

phil's editing tips to dan really payed off
if anything convinces me that they hired an editor, it'd be this video. obviously it doesn't cause we know dan edited it, but it's so good! well done ladz!!!!

[autumnhearth]

Very sleek, commented that those editing tips paid off. The thumbnail is indeed pretty. Something something about special time in mine and Phil’s lives made me soft, should probably rewatch, I’m tired.