Dan & Phil part 26: You’ve got an impressive length

[trashqueen]

I hate to be a party pooper, but that really just depends on the person. Me and my best friend whom I've known since we were both 4 years old, went to the same school, shared all our interests, have never hugged ONCE in our lives, because we both are not cuddly people. I barely ever touch my friends in an affectionate way if it's not punching them in the face jokingly. I hug it out with some of my more casual friends occasionally, but those are really affectionate people who greet people with kisses n stuff (and I bet they feel I'm a bit uncomfortable when they hug me). And I am a girl, which means I'm supposed to be all fluffy and affectionate according to bullshit stereotypes.

tldr; it's an interesting observation, but I don't think it means anything

well yeah, obviously there's all kinds of people in this world, i can also share some facts about my personal life and say that their behavior is definitely weird bc i am the most touchy feely person you can find (hey i'm latina, let me live up to the stereotype sometimes) so obviously everyone else in the world is too, riiiight?

so yeah, projecting doesn't really work (although we all do it unconsciously), but this is dan 'i like sharing beds platonically with friends' howell and phil 'i lost at sonic so i'm just gonna casually drop my face on your lap' lester we're talking about (lol i went with two very random references but u get the point), i find it very difficult to believe they keep each other at arm distance all the time on their every day life

the fact that we have never seen them properly hug personally offends me.... jk kinda

but i agree that it doesn't necessarily mean anything, maybe they are scared their interactions are gonna be seen as shipbait, maybe the shipping culture around them makes them too self aware of them touching when they are on camera so they avoid it, maybe you are right and i read their early (less controlled and self aware) interactions completely wrong, but again, this is dan and phil, nothing about them necessarily means anything, that's kind of the reason we're on thread 26 here, plus the almost 50 on gg

i.... posted three times in a day today....i'm so sorry, can you tell i'm procrastinating?

[papierklemmen]

I hate to be a party pooper, but that really just depends on the person. Me and my best friend whom I've known since we were both 4 years old, went to the same school, shared all our interests, have never hugged ONCE in our lives, because we both are not cuddly people. I barely ever touch my friends in an affectionate way if it's not punching them in the face jokingly. I hug it out with some of my more casual friends occasionally, but those are really affectionate people who greet people with kisses n stuff (and I bet they feel I'm a bit uncomfortable when they hug me). And I am a girl, which means I'm supposed to be all fluffy and affectionate according to bullshit stereotypes.

tldr; it's an interesting observation, but I don't think it means anything

well yeah, obviously there's all kinds of people in this world, i can also share some facts about my personal life and say that their behavior is definitely weird bc i am the most touchy feely person you can find (hey i'm latina, let me live up to the stereotype sometimes) so obviously everyone else in the world is too, riiiight?

so yeah, projecting doesn't really work (although we all do it unconsciously), but this is dan 'i like sharing beds platonically with friends' howell and phil 'i lost at sonic so i'm just gonna casually drop my face on your lap' lester we're talking about (lol i went with two very random references but u get the point), i find it very difficult to believe they keep each other at arm distance all the time on their every day life

the fact that we have never seen them properly hug personally offends me.... jk kinda

but i agree that it doesn't necessarily mean anything, maybe they are scared their interactions are gonna be seen as shipbait, maybe the shipping culture around them makes them too self aware of them touching when they are on camera so they avoid it, maybe you are right and i read their early (less controlled and self aware) interactions completely wrong, but again, this is dan and phil, nothing about them necessarily means anything, that's kind of the reason we're on thread 26 here, plus the almost 50 on gg

i.... posted three times in a day today....i'm so sorry, can you tell i'm procrastinating?

lol damn, you went it. Sorry, I didn't want to project, I usually don't like making examples of myself, I just wanted to point out that the difference between two couple of friends could just be due to their differences and not because they're consciously trying to avoid any intimate contact on camera. Although that also could be the case, since Dan did indeed write in his mess of a tumblr answer that they used to be touchy-feely and shipbait but stopped because people started taking it too seriously.

again, sorry, I absolutely love all theories and speculations, but I think looking at it from different sides makes it more fun

[cold-tea]

What I've always found interesting is the radical difference between two sets of YouTube best friends, namely D&P vs Joe and Caspar, and the ironic thing being that J&C act 100x more "coupley" than D&P. They are always touching, near on flirty even, constantly see eachother naked, take pride in wanting to share beds, etc.; now I get that some of this is clickbait type of behavior, but a lot of it is obviously genuine—yet we firmly know that both are straight and we accept that upon face value because everything is out in the open. Meanwhile, D&P avoid touching at all costs, hide or try to obfuscate most evidence of their intimate behavior, and any domestic displays often just seem accidental or for convenience sake. The difference goes to show how squarely outside the realm of "lad/ bro culture" D&P are... I think if D&P weren't hiding something and trying too hard to cover their tracks then they would have no problem sharing a bed platonically and making it into no big deal, but overall it's the general act of denial and covering tracks that is most revealing and fuels the mystery.

You can make the same argument when compared with other YouTube best friends too, like Kian & JC, who act more or less like Joe and Caspar. Or if you'd say sexuality is the key difference, look at Scott and Mitch, who have no problem being platonically intimate. Again, with deppy, the biggest reveal is in the details that are hidden.

I hate to be a party pooper, but that really just depends on the person. Me and my best friend whom I've known since we were both 4 years old, went to the same school, shared all our interests, have never hugged ONCE in our lives, because we both are not cuddly people. I barely ever touch my friends in an affectionate way if it's not punching them in the face jokingly. I hug it out with some of my more casual friends occasionally, but those are really affectionate people who greet people with kisses n stuff (and I bet they feel I'm a bit uncomfortable when they hug me). And I am a girl, which means I'm supposed to be all fluffy and affectionate according to bullshit stereotypes.

tldr; it's an interesting observation, but I don't think it means anything

I think what Phantasy meant was that Joe and Caspar, in a sense, don't care about how people view the way they act with each other and even play up on it for entertainment's sake.

On the other hand deppy are so aware and conscious of how they interact with each other on camera and that is what makes it so suspicious. In my opinion based on their videos/ls/formspring answers, they're both the cuddly type so for me, It's like they're saying "look how we barely touch each other, there's totally nothing to see here"
Whether it be becuase there really is nothing to it and they just don't want to encourage the shippers or it's because they don't want to bring light to something that is there, we'll never know unless they decide to let us know

Edit: everyone replies so quickly also I've been telling myself since gg to post more but everyone else is so much more eloquent so i just get sucked into reading all the opinions!

[frkin-zazzed]

but i agree that it doesn't necessarily mean anything, maybe they are scared their interactions are gonna be seen as shipbait, maybe the shipping culture around them makes them too self aware of them touching when they are on camera so they avoid it, maybe you are right and i read their early (less controlled and self aware) interactions completely wrong, but again, this is dan and phil, nothing about them necessarily means anything, that's kind of the reason we're on thread 26 here, plus the almost 50 on gg

i.... posted three times in a day today....i'm so sorry, can you tell i'm procrastinating?

The bolded especially. I think the phandom is the main reason that they've become a lot more reserved since phan really blew up after the vday leak in 2011 (from what i remember that was when it became really big? idk it was 5 years ago and i have a memory like a sieve) or at least, they were more reserved until the last year or so. I wouldn't be surprised if they completely ignore the bedroom thing for this reason, and avoid giving us a goddamn hug or anything along those lines. I think it's a shame, and probably why they don't vlog as often as a lot of Youtubers, but idk, they could have other reasons

[missemma]

Welcome to the forum poweredbywords and JoeAverage

i find it very difficult to believe they keep each other at arm distance all the time on their every day life

the fact that we have never seen them properly hug personally offends me.... jk kinda

I don't think they do - I mean just look at your signature, there's no distance in that clip.
& are you all forgetting the time they hugged on stage at Vidcon, Dan goes in for a proper round the back hug, none of this one hand on the shoulder ready to push away shizz, he's giving a real true hug.

Sorry I found this gif on google but I cannot for the life of me work out who made it to credit them, so credit to the owner.

Um Phil liked missemma's tweet! Congrats! and now I want those stickers too

Thanks, that's the second interaction I've had with Phil on twitter, it's like we are biffles already (you should get the stickers, I have two lots and they're so cute. The only thing I don't agree with is that when you order the stickers you get a random selection, so if you want to collect them all you have to keep ordering and you could get the same one 20 times. There is no option to specify which ones you need).

ily missemma you're a life saver

[Amelie]

First of all missemma -congrats on the Phil like! I didn't realise they sent you random stickers. It would suck if you just couldn't get the one you wanted/needed.

I haven't watched Phils liveshow and tbh I probably wont. I tried watching liveshows for about two weeks but then I fell behind so I gave up Great stan I am. I rely heavily on the many timestamps that are posted here so thank-you to everyone who does that. It makes my lunch hour so much more entertaining (and I think I prefer the commentary to the actual ls content ).

I'm reserving any opinions towards bugate until after watching the doco. I literally moved my work week so that I'm home on Thursday and can watch it pretty soon after its released. Until them I firmly believe that they shared that bed and nothing will change my mind

[nephilimcat]

If they are in a non-platonic relationship I wouldn't mind them "aging-up" a little and letting go of the "platonic roommates" pretense even if they never confirm it. I mean, Phil is turning 30 after all. But we just had some "we don't share rooms" with the DITL Australia, so I'm not expecting any thing.

Sorry to bring this back, but I've seen people commenting this several times already and it really annoys me. I understand why people make a big deal out of turning 18 (or whatever the adult age in your country is) because you are officially an adult and that is a big deal.
But when you turn 30, nothing changes! You are just a year older but suddenly everyone expects you to settle down, have kids and change into a mature, boring adult. I'm pretty sure that Phil knows that this is something people around him expect and I wonder how he feels about this. To me he seems like someone who doesn't really want to get older, in the tipsy talk video with Hazel he said that he'd want to live forever as a robot. So I feel like he'd be one of those people that rather avoid their 30th birthday.
And then imagine him reading all the comments under his videos and everywhere that say "Can you believe Phil is turning 30?" or expect him to move out/confirm Phan because "it's time".
It's not like you become a different person on the night of your 30th birthday. Phil will be just like he's now. He will always be that quirky nerd. Of course he did change and will continue to change, but his main personality will definitely stay the same.
Age is a human concept that doesn't make sense. Some people are more mature with 15 than others are with 25. Some people want a family with 18, some only feel ready for that in their mid-thirties and some don't ever want one. Why do people expect anything to happen now that Phil is turning 30? 30 is just a number!

Sorry, I had to let this out. It's not an attack or meant to be taken personally, I just don't understand why people have this obsession with the age 30. Especially as a man (who maybe is in a relationship with another man), you can't even make the excuse with the biological clock.

[dollicious]

What I've always found interesting is the radical difference between two sets of YouTube best friends, namely D&P vs Joe and Caspar, and the ironic thing being that J&C act 100x more "coupley" than D&P. They are always touching, near on flirty even, constantly see eachother naked, take pride in wanting to share beds, etc.; now I get that some of this is clickbait type of behavior, but a lot of it is obviously genuine—yet we firmly know that both are straight and we accept that upon face value because everything is out in the open. Meanwhile, D&P avoid touching at all costs, hide or try to obfuscate most evidence of their intimate behavior, and any domestic displays often just seem accidental or for convenience sake. The difference goes to show how squarely outside the realm of "lad/ bro culture" D&P are... I think if D&P weren't hiding something and trying too hard to cover their tracks then they would have no problem sharing a bed platonically and making it into no big deal, but overall it's the general act of denial and covering tracks that is most revealing and fuels the mystery.

You can make the same argument when compared with other YouTube best friends too, like Kian & JC, who act more or less like Joe and Caspar. Or if you'd say sexuality is the key difference, look at Scott and Mitch, who have no problem being platonically intimate. Again, with deppy, the biggest reveal is in the details that are hidden.

I hate to be a party pooper, but that really just depends on the person. Me and my best friend whom I've known since we were both 4 years old, went to the same school, shared all our interests, have never hugged ONCE in our lives, because we both are not cuddly people. I barely ever touch my friends in an affectionate way if it's not punching them in the face jokingly. I hug it out with some of my more casual friends occasionally, but those are really affectionate people who greet people with kisses n stuff (and I bet they feel I'm a bit uncomfortable when they hug me). And I am a girl, which means I'm supposed to be all fluffy and affectionate according to bullshit stereotypes.

tldr; it's an interesting observation, but I don't think it means anything

I think what Phantasy meant was that Joe and Caspar, in a sense, don't care about how people view the way they act with each other and even play up on it for entertainment's sake.

On the other hand deppy are so aware and conscious of how they interact with each other on camera and that is what makes it so suspicious. In my opinion based on their videos/ls/formspring answers, they're both the cuddly type so for me, It's like they're saying "look how we barely touch each other, there's totally nothing to see here"
Whether it be becuase there really is nothing to it and they just don't want to encourage the shippers or it's because they don't want to bring light to something that is there, we'll never know unless they decide to let us know

Edit: everyone replies so quickly also I've been telling myself since gg to post more but everyone else is so much more eloquent so i just get sucked into reading all the opinions!

i 100% agree with this. it's as if they think about how people will perceive their interactions rather than what is normal for friends to do. for me, this leads to it actually seeming more unrealistic in how far they go to seem just platonic. if they were more like caspar & joe, where they are affectionate and don't overthink it, it would seem more natural.

i actually think this is true with a lot of youtubers who joke about their ships. they are comfortable playing with the idea they are a couple simply because they aren't.

[human]

Oh wow. I love IDB lol never change. Just seen the new bus gate and I'm gripped hahaha. Personally I feel like it'll be obvious they shared the room but that they'll haru it by never mentioning or talking about it.

There is no way you can convince me that taller than usual Dan squished into one of those bunks when King Phil had a double bed with a TV and an en suite bathroom to himself. Tbh I'd be surprised if Phil was that mean; it would make tour bus life extra miserable for Dan having no real space of his own that wasn't the main lounge of the bus where Drake was chilling (so we're told). Dan, being the more introverted of the two, wouldn't cope with that for days let alone months.

I'm also enjoying the cute little door sticker immensely lol.

[cecilia]

What I've always found interesting is the radical difference between two sets of YouTube best friends, namely D&P vs Joe and Caspar, and the ironic thing being that J&C act 100x more "coupley" than D&P. They are always touching, near on flirty even, constantly see eachother naked, take pride in wanting to share beds, etc.; now I get that some of this is clickbait type of behavior, but a lot of it is obviously genuine—yet we firmly know that both are straight and we accept that upon face value because everything is out in the open. Meanwhile, D&P avoid touching at all costs, hide or try to obfuscate most evidence of their intimate behavior, and any domestic displays often just seem accidental or for convenience sake. The difference goes to show how squarely outside the realm of "lad/ bro culture" D&P are... I think if D&P weren't hiding something and trying too hard to cover their tracks then they would have no problem sharing a bed platonically and making it into no big deal, but overall it's the general act of denial and covering tracks that is most revealing and fuels the mystery.

You can make the same argument when compared with other YouTube best friends too, like Kian & JC, who act more or less like Joe and Caspar. Or if you'd say sexuality is the key difference, look at Scott and Mitch, who have no problem being platonically intimate. Again, with deppy, the biggest reveal is in the details that are hidden.

I hate to be a party pooper, but that really just depends on the person. Me and my best friend whom I've known since we were both 4 years old, went to the same school, shared all our interests, have never hugged ONCE in our lives, because we both are not cuddly people. I barely ever touch my friends in an affectionate way if it's not punching them in the face jokingly. I hug it out with some of my more casual friends occasionally, but those are really affectionate people who greet people with kisses n stuff (and I bet they feel I'm a bit uncomfortable when they hug me). And I am a girl, which means I'm supposed to be all fluffy and affectionate according to bullshit stereotypes.

tldr; it's an interesting observation, but I don't think it means anything

I think what Phantasy meant was that Joe and Caspar, in a sense, don't care about how people view the way they act with each other and even play up on it for entertainment's sake.

On the other hand deppy are so aware and conscious of how they interact with each other on camera and that is what makes it so suspicious. In my opinion based on their videos/ls/formspring answers, they're both the cuddly type so for me, It's like they're saying "look how we barely touch each other, there's totally nothing to see here"
Whether it be becuase there really is nothing to it and they just don't want to encourage the shippers or it's because they don't want to bring light to something that is there, we'll never know unless they decide to let us know

Edit: everyone replies so quickly also I've been telling myself since gg to post more but everyone else is so much more eloquent so i just get sucked into reading all the opinions!

i 100% agree with this. it's as if they think about how people will perceive their interactions rather than what is normal for friends to do. for me, this leads to it actually seeming more unrealistic in how far they go to seem just platonic. if they were more like caspar & joe, where they are affectionate and don't overthink it, it would seem more natural.

i actually think this is true with a lot of youtubers who joke about their ships. they are comfortable playing with the idea they are a couple simply because they aren't.

Dan said himself that the Phan shippers changed the way him and Phil act on the internet. Other youtubers can act like platonic friends because people don't believe the ship is real, but if Dan and Phil act like platonic friends everyone is quick to take things as confirmation of Phan. If they don't act like platonic friends they are hiding they are a couple. One can always find a way to justify what they do or don't do to make it fit it a certain interpretation. You can always say they are lying, they are hiding it etc. - that's literally the reason why so many people still believed in Larry for years although Harry and Louis had stopped being touchy and flirty, etc

[lishachi]

[offtopic]i was just reading back through the old threads (bc theres no uni today so im spending the day reading through and attempting to catch up) and i saw "DD" mentioned alot? could someone inform me what that is/what it means? if it's a private thing, i totally understand, and forgive me for being nosy. (you don't need to explain if it is i mean) [/offtopic]

[coffeepenguin]

I'm late as usual, but nevermind that, could we maybe talk about how November is Phil's second favourite month right there with January when he has his birthday? And he never gave a reason why? Not that I'm not enjoying the return of the busgate, but we'll know the truth anyway in 2 days (or what deppy want us to believe the truth is, whatever)

Some other Phil's ls notes that people have already talked about under spoiler

- really, really liked the mood he was in
- air freshener smh
- re: sofa from hell and Phil looking at squirrels to cool down his mind, just move already! Put all that money to a good use, buy yourself a nice house with a garden, get a dog, marry your bf, what are you waiting for? (it's not like housing prices are going down soon in the UK, I'm afraid)
- re: "Phil is 30!!!111" talk, he once again called himself a boy while talking about going to the doctor's, "I'm not that kind of boy", I really don't think he sees himself as a fully grown man
- and most importantly - Phil is happy on life!!!

[alittledizzy]

- re: "Phil is 30!!!111" talk, he once again called himself a boy while talking about going to the doctor's, "I'm not that kind of boy", I really don't think he sees himself as a fully grown man

The only thing I have to contribute to this is personal experience, but I'm over thirty and still refer to myself as a girl. To me it doesn't reflect me not being an adult or a lack of maturity, and I don't do it consciously. But if someone wants to psychoanalyze further, have at it.

[starlight-still]

Thought I’d reflect on #busgate in our last days of innocence before We Know. Or maybe we won’t know a damn thing. And that’s OK.

I think it’s likely that they’ll do one of a few things:

- Make it clear they shared it but Haru that shiz. We’ll know, with no shadow of a doubt, that they shared the room somehow. They might get caught on some clip that makes it painfully obvious, or say “the bedroom” without blinking. But that’ll be all. No cutaway confessional where they explain “Oh, lol, we decided to share after all ::insert joke about being freakishly tall::” Reaction: The phandom will spin off its rails. Phan is real, phan is real, I knew it, will say the phans. Friends can share beds too, you know! Will exclaim the antis.
- Make it clear they shared AND explicitly deal with it in a way that emphasizes “as bros.” Self-explanatory, really. They’ll make some joke (but it’ll be totally serious) about pals not letting other pals bunk. OR never sleep alone in a scary, bumpy bus. Reaction: Phans- smh, more denial. Antis: SEE?? They are BROS, y’all. CHILL.
- Imply that they shared it BUT emphasize just how uncomfortable/awkward the whole thing was. I think this the most likely scenario (and quite possibly the closest to the truth). They’ve already thrown out a few hints about bus travel being terribly uncomfortable/not all it’s cracked up to be. I can see there being a vague shot of them both coming out of the room, or going into the room, or even not-so-vague ones of them on the bed together. BUT at another point of the docu, they’ll talk about how “not sexy” they were being cramped and dirty on a bus for weeks. Reaction: Phans (deppy’s hope): Ohhh…OK, I see. They did share but it was nothing like the romantic snuggle-fest we’re imagining. Phans (actual): Ohhh…haha, that’s cute. We know y’all love each other to bits, being dirty/tired/etc. wouldn’t stop ya. Antis: OK, they did share, but it was nothing like the romantic snuggle-fest we’re imagining that sharing would imply.
- Emphasize how uncomfortable it was but remain vague on the sharing. Second most likely scenario. They talk about how uncomfortable/awkward/etc. they were but with no evidence either way about who slept where. Reactions: Similar to the ones above with slightly more fractioning (e.g.-phans who think they didn’t because they respect each other’s need for space/privacy/rest/etc., antis who think they did but simply out of necessity and those on both sides who take what they told us- Phil took the room- as the truth).
- Haru it completely. Third most likely scenario. It’s never made “a thing” by deppy. We never see any conclusive evidence that they shared OR that they didn’t share. We all saw those tweets and know what supposedly happened. But it just doesn’t get any further discussion. Reactions: Same as above with slightly more emphasis on their need for privacy no matter what their relationship status is.

As a side note, I think the last two scenarios are more likely than any sort of “no-homo-ing” on their parts. I can see the case being that they really didn’t share but chose not to make it a thing as their emphasis on not sharing could be read as such.

Finally, their choice in handling it in the docu may say more about the kind of reaction they want to get at this point in time than anything about where they are within their own relationship with one another, no matter what it might be. Whatever happens on Wednesday, I'd keep that in mind.

These could all be totally wrong…but I enjoyed thinking through them so thought I’d put them out there!

[Lain]

Hi guys! I've been lurking for a while and I decided to say hi (and tbh the IDB emojis are so cool?? Like I need to try them out).
But anywho, re: bus floor-plan layout. I have a ridiculously long explination/idea under the cut.

For fire safety, I might be wrong but I don't think that door phil is opening can be the bathroom door? Because that door should pull inside the bathroom, not be pushed out if I'm making any sense. I'm leaning towards what a few other people have suggested where the door with the deppy sign is the barrier between the general living/kitchen space and where the bedroom and bathrooms and everything are. I was a roadie for a smaller band for around a year and we had a really similar bus, and we had one door opening out towards the front of the bus like the door phil is opening, and that door separated the general entrance room with the kitchenette and sofa. We then had a corridor with built-in bunks and included a shower room on one side and a bathroom on the other, and then another door separating that space with the bedroom (which three of us shared), where that door opened inwards towards the bedroom (so when your walking into the bedroom you would push the door in).
Anyway, that was way too much information but it just seems that the door Phil is opening can't be the bathroom, because general fire laws (from my understanding) is doors such as bathrooms need to open inwards so if something falls in front of the door you would still be able to exit the bathroom (even for really small bathrooms this usually applies; even like on very small airplanes). That usually applies to bedroom doors as well, at least with commercial vehicles like the bus, so I don't think that door would be the bedroom itself either. At least from all the (many) buses I've traveled on it probably just leads to the next section of the bus, since that's usually the only door that opens that way. But then again I've never traveled on a bus with this specific company so maybe it's different.

But ... we literally have pictures of the exact tour bus they traveled in. Look on the company's website. Based on the design (the wallpaper, furniture etc), it matches either the 6 bunk or the 12 bunk from the website, but based on the clips from the actual documentary, we know it was the 6 bunk. There is nothing behind that door but either just a bed, or a bed with a bathroom (which is what Phil claimed he 'won' when he tweeted - the "room with the tv & toilet").

[Catallena]

Talk about Phil turning 30 soon always reminds me of a radio show clip where they talk about milestone birthdays and how 30 would be the next big one for them. Dan then teased Phil about how soon that would be for him. It was a cute moment and stood out because they never acknowledge the age difference between them ever. I wonder how much of a troll Dan is gonna be on Phil's birthday

Yay for adding nothing to a discussion and just sharing trash memories.

[Lurktacularr]

ANYWAY I'm going to take this into fantasy-town (because I don't believe they'll ever confirm it) BUT WHAT IF the very last shot of the documentary is something beyond domestic. Or the last segment or something. Dan said to watch it in order: show, then doc. Obviously that makes the most sense, sure, if you're into linearity. But then all the talk about it being the end of the last 7 years of Dan and Phil, the Brand. danisnotonfire & AmazingPhil. Best Friends, Roommates, True. That all ends with these two films. But in what way? Just leaving behind the llamas and lions and continuing in the same vein, just slightly more mature? Or as Best Friends, Roommates, True, and... ?

Do I believe that's likely? No. Does that stop my brain from thinking through all kinds of unlikely scenarios? Not even a little bit. Shut up brain, it's not happening. And maybe that's for the best.

replace 'dead' with 'ambiguity', thanks

You know what, I'm already nursing a reputation for being the resident delusional trashcan up in here, so I'll just go all in...

There's part of me that's not just considering this as dream-land shit, but as an actual possibility. I've put my neck on the line before and I'll do it again: I think they'll be out within the next 12 months. That's not to say I think they'll make some big coming out video or announcement; that's to say I think it will be unambiguous to anyone following them somewhat closely.

These docs mark the end of an era. This is the perfect opportunity to start the ball rolling - highly edited, highly controlled. Not to mention it avoids the issue of trying to no-phano an arrangement/situation which we knew would be difficult to manage as soon as we knew they'd be touring on a bus. It would save them the headache. Do I think those 'bedroom battle' tweets were put out to manage perception/discussion (which was already building) to tide them over until the doc comes out? Maybe. Mayyyyybe.

Either way I don't understand the general consensus here that they'll be held to account on two tweets they put out 6 months ago; 90% of their audience won't remember, and the 10% that do can easily be ignored or told to shut up cos it was obviously a joke (by the rest of the audience, not Deppy).

Anyway, I'm not gonna lie, there's a decent portion of my brain that's hoping/expecting something levelled-up in terms of what they reveal about their relationship in this doc. I mean just from the trailer we can see them lying on the same bed. This may not be obvious to the majority right now, but I'm sure it will be when the rest of the doc is viewable and more of the bus has been shown.

I'm not expecting some big discussion on it or a kiss or anything cheesy. But I'm sort of expecting something more than we currently get.

Disclaimer: I am fully prepared to eat my words on this and I realise there's a very good chance that I will have to. But I'm a massive optimist at heart and I'm happy to expose myself for that at the risk of making myself look an idiot come wednesday

[eevee]

I was with you on Blesster...I guess? I'm kinda confused lol

edit: oh on second read it makes more sense, oops hahah

[Catallena]

I was with you on Blesster...I guess? I'm kinda confused lol

I'm starting to agree with his doctor... what is Phil on?

[eevee]

This is pretty clever, I like it. I knew Dan was gonna follow suit...

[alittledizzy]

You know what, I'm already nursing a reputation for being the resident delusional trashcan up in here, so I'll just go all in...

There's part of me that's not just considering this as dream-land shit, but as an actual possibility. I've put my neck on the line before and I'll do it again: I think they'll be out within the next 12 months. That's not to say I think they'll make some big coming out video or announcement; that's to say I think it will be unambiguous to anyone following them somewhat closely.

These docs mark the end of an era. This is the perfect opportunity to start the ball rolling - highly edited, highly controlled. Not to mention it avoids the issue of trying to no-phano an arrangement/situation which we knew would be difficult to manage as soon as we knew they'd be touring on a bus. It would save them the headache. Do I think those 'bedroom battle' tweets were put out to manage perception/discussion (which was already building) to tide them over until the doc comes out? Maybe. Mayyyyybe.

Either way I don't understand the general consensus here that they'll be held to account on two tweets they put out 6 months ago; 90% of their audience won't remember, and the 10% that do can easily be ignored or told to shut up cos it was obviously a joke (by the rest of the audience, not Deppy).

Anyway, I'm not gonna lie, there's a decent portion of my brain that's hoping/expecting something levelled-up in terms of what they reveal about their relationship in this doc. I mean just from the trailer we can see them lying on the same bed. This may not be obvious to the majority right now, but I'm sure it will be when the rest of the doc is viewable and more of the bus has been shown.

I'm not expecting some big discussion on it or a kiss or anything cheesy. But I'm sort of expecting something more than we currently get.

Disclaimer: I am fully prepared to eat my words on this and I realise there's a very good chance that I will have to. But I'm a massive optimist at heart and I'm happy to expose myself for that at the risk of making myself look an idiot come wednesday

I feel revitalized reading that.

the enemy is always confused

Well, he's sure as hell good at keeping his fans confused, so I'd buy it.

[somelikeitpink]

Dan said himself that the Phan shippers changed the way him and Phil act on the internet. Other youtubers can act like platonic friends because people don't believe the ship is real, but if Dan and Phil act like platonic friends everyone is quick to take things as confirmation of Phan. If they don't act like platonic friends they are hiding they are a couple. One can always find a way to justify what they do or don't do to make it fit it a certain interpretation. You can always say they are lying, they are hiding it etc. - that's literally the reason why so many people still believed in Larry for years although Harry and Louis had stopped being touchy and flirty, etc

Okay I feel like I'm literally coming back out of nowhere, but I want to throw my two cents in here too..

As somebody who is in both fandoms I feel like its something I do gotta comment on though, especially as I completely disagree.

I know you probably didn't mean it this way but - I feel like theres no way I can compare Dan and Phil to Louis and Harry and it making sense.

I know Dan has admitted that the attentions of the phan shippers had at some point changed the way they acted towards each other, but thats already starting point no. one of how thats different: larry never even commented on that being the reason their behaviour changed (acknowledgement is the first way to change blablabla..)

Dan never made a tweet Louis style literally stating he is disgusted by this and declaring just how straight he is any time recently. There have been tweets in the past yes, but even those were never as fiscious and lashing out as louis were.

Larry and Phan have points were they overlap yes, 2012 being a tense year being a perfect example but they went into COMPLETELY different directions after, which make it impossible to compare them.

As much as I like to ship the pre 2012 Larry, I do believe they fell out and it is basically impossible to find evidence after that without going completely
They moved out, lived in separate homes, had relationships with other people - in louis case even a baby - and were still confronted by big time media outlets about their ship, which ended with them turning it into a completely ridiculous idea that was stupid of fans to even consider. "They genuinely.. genuinely think we are together.. *laughter*"
Since the hiatus and even for a year or two before that they haven't been so much as seen a 100 mile radius from each other unless they had to because they were working together.


Dan and Phil on the other side, got their shit together, are still living together, wrote a book, performed a tour together, all the while playing a constant game of *nudge nudge* domestic, so fun, much hints *nudge nudge* ever since.. well 2014 really but it got ballistic since the start of this year. (wow I just realised it has been 10 months already)
They stronger and more inseparable then ever, neither have ever been seen with another partner since they have known each other, and while they were never asked about if they are a couple, Dan was asked about his sexuality, which also in comparison to larry we have never received a full denial to that. ("I am straight" - Louis ---> "We don't talk about our private life in any way" - Dan)

Like I said, I know that you probably didn't mean it that way but I just wanted to butt in as it is basically completely impossible to compare them nowadays.
And therefore I think its more than unfair to compare the fans either. The larry fandom was intense, and yes admittedly at time drawing conclusions on things that were barely anything anymore.
The phandom though is centered around two best friends, who are both referring to the fact that they are domestic and attached by the hip, and yes, sometimes we analyse signs on doors or the layout of buses but that is just as much fed by Dan and Phil as by our own curiosity.

[cecilia]

Dan said himself that the Phan shippers changed the way him and Phil act on the internet. Other youtubers can act like platonic friends because people don't believe the ship is real, but if Dan and Phil act like platonic friends everyone is quick to take things as confirmation of Phan. If they don't act like platonic friends they are hiding they are a couple. One can always find a way to justify what they do or don't do to make it fit it a certain interpretation. You can always say they are lying, they are hiding it etc. - that's literally the reason why so many people still believed in Larry for years although Harry and Louis had stopped being touchy and flirty, etc

Okay I feel like I'm literally coming back out of nowhere, but I want to throw my two cents in here too..

As somebody who is in both fandoms I feel like its something I do gotta comment on though, especially as I completely disagree.

I know you probably didn't mean it this way but - I feel like theres no way I can compare Dan and Phil to Louis and Harry and it making sense.

I know Dan has admitted that the attentions of the phan shippers had at some point changed the way they acted towards each other, but thats already starting point no. one of how thats different: larry never even commented on that being the reason their behaviour changed (acknowledgement is the first way to change blablabla..)

Dan never made a tweet Louis style literally stating he is disgusted by this and declaring just how straight he is any time recently. There have been tweets in the past yes, but even those were never as fiscious and lashing out as louis were.

Larry and Phan have points were they overlap yes, 2012 being a tense year being a perfect example but they went into COMPLETELY different directions after, which make it impossible to compare them.

As much as I like to ship the pre 2012 Larry, I do believe they fell out and it is basically impossible to find evidence after that without going completely
They moved out, lived in separate homes, had relationships with other people - in louis case even a baby - and were still confronted by big time media outlets about their ship, which ended with them turning it into a completely ridiculous idea that was stupid of fans to even consider. "They genuinely.. genuinely think we are together.. *laughter*"
Since the hiatus and even for a year or two before that they haven't been so much as seen a 100 mile radius from each other unless they had to because they were working together.


Dan and Phil on the other side, got their shit together, are still living together, wrote a book, performed a tour together, all the while playing a constant game of *nudge nudge* domestic, so fun, much hints *nudge nudge* ever since.. well 2014 really but it got ballistic since the start of this year. (wow I just realised it has been 10 months already)
They stronger and more inseparable then ever, neither have ever been seen with another partner since they have known each other, and while they were never asked about if they are a couple, Dan was asked about his sexuality, which also in comparison to larry we have never received a full denial to that. ("I am straight" - Louis ---> "We don't talk about our private life in any way" - Dan)

Like I said, I know that you probably didn't mean it that way but I just wanted to butt in as it is basically completely impossible to compare them nowadays.
And therefore I think its more than unfair to compare the fans either. The larry fandom was intense, and yes admittedly at time drawing conclusions on things that were barely anything anymore.
The phandom though is centered around two best friends, who are both referring to the fact that they are domestic and attached by the hip, and yes, sometimes we analyse signs on doors or the layout of buses but that is just as much fed by Dan and Phil as by our own curiosity.

I think you misunderstood me, I did not intend to compare the whole ship, especially not Larry nowadays to Phan nowadays! Although I don't think Phan is real I agree that Phan is much more likely to be real than Larry ever was (for the reasons you mentioned). I was just taking the behavior of Larry shippers as an example for how it is possible to interpret certain things the way they fit your point of view - Larries go to extremes as far as that is concerned but Phan shippers do it as well in my opinion, for example in terms of them not sharing a bedroom (if they share it fits the Phan is real interpretation, if they don't share you make it fit by saying they want to hide the relationship). So whatever they do it does not disprove Phan. And it's not true that Louis never mentioned that the shipping was a reason why their behavior changed, there is actually an interview in which he said: "Me and Harry are best friends. People look into our every move - it is actually affecting the way me and Harry are in public.” - this is what I had in mind (I agree with you that they probably had a fellout some time after that which is the reason why they basically did not interact with each other at all anymore). And as far as Louis tweet goes ("Larry is the biggest bullshit" etc) that compares to "you have no idea how ridiculous the idea of 'phan' is to our friends and everyone we know in real life" as well as many times other times Dan did lash out to fans on his customerservice blog which is why I don't understand why you think Louis reaction was more extreme? For example "what does your grandmas vagina taste like? just imagine it now. you putting your tongue in your grandmas vagina. we! wrong & creepy right? well now you know how i feel!" And he also denied being gay/implied being straight.

[eevee]

For example "what does your grandmas vagina taste like? just imagine it now. you putting your tongue in your grandmas vagina. we! wrong & creepy right? well now you know how i feel!" And he also denied being gay/implied being straight.

Oh gosh, by time I quoted you, you had already changed it form a pretty tame and PC version to this graphic imagery. Thanks so much not only for the fond memory, but also the image.

Jeez, imagine how offended Phil must've been. I can only guess how much sucking up Dan had to do after that

[Lurktacularr]

Jeez, imagine how offended Phil must've been. I can only guess how much sucking up Dan had to do after that

Fixed it for you