Dan & Phil Part 39: There's no integrity here

[squishydanny]

I do believe the new video will be him changing his name from danisnotonfire to Dan Howell, as he has talked about it for ages and just last week was talking about the youtube feature that allows you to change your display name. The "cheeky" part will probably be, like discussed already, a clickbait title like "No more Danisnotonfire" or something along those lines. The video will probably be a collection of anecdotes of "cringe-y" uses of her name with him over reacting to them. I agree there will (probably) be no content change, but who knows with Dan lol.
However the thing that I'm questioning me with Dan's name change, do you think Phil will feel obligated to follow suit? By dropping the danisnotonfire branding, that means he'll want to be written about/referred to by "Dan Howell". So that means it'll be "AmazingPhil" and "Dan Howell"? Sounds weird. I'm not attached to either of their usernames, so I think it would be nice if Phil also changed his just to "Phil Lester". For some reason I feel it'd be a bigger deal in the fandom for Phil to also change his name, to drop his so-called """branding"""? Maybe because he has had his channel for over 10 years? Anyway, seems to me they're taking a step to be seen in a more professional light which I have no problems with. Also: All for pinof 9 being changed to Phil Howell 9

[CallMeAyana]

I do hope that Dan will change 'danisnotonfire', but I won't be expecting any big difference in the content that he'll be making. Hopefully, if Dan will do that, Phil will follow suit.
...Just wait, and it's probably another story-time vid (which I personally love, dw), or... maybe it's the Vegas Vid or the Cake Scene. Who knows
[offtopic]Also, I just rewatched their "My Horse Boyfriend" vid, and I was plesantly surprised to know that I actually enjoyed it! Maybe it's the fact that I watched it at school the first time, so... Also, I'm quite interested at how the ending will be, but it seems that the game is still adding episodes. Still, I won't keep tabs on it when they'll make a series out of it.[/offtopic]

[SexyTrashCan]

Also: All for pinof 9 being changed to Phil Howell 9

Dan potentially changing his name is all worth it for pinof being called Phil Howell

[fancy_nancy]

So that means it'll be "AmazingPhil" and "Dan Howell"? Sounds weird. I'm not attached to either of their usernames, so I think it would be nice if Phil also changed his just to "Phil Lester".

It does sound a bit weird doesn't it? But i doubt Phil would ever do that. He's much more of a private person so I think for him it's like he's AmazingPhil and he's safe behind his persona and then there's Phil Lester who we don't really know and he probably wants to keep it like that.

[swofro]

Celebrating the return of Dan's funny moment with chickeeen, I'm gonna bring back one of the best conspiracy theory of idb, Dan and Phil are secretly chicken.

This is making me so hard, because all I see is Dan as a secret shadow chicken.

OMG

Let's plough the chickens.

Why is this an emoticon

[SexyTrashCan]

Also, if they stick with the new video every 3 days thing lately I'm holding out for a new gaming vid

[pearshaped34]

If Dan's attempting to ditch the branding (which is fully what I expect this video to be) that's just kind of meh to me. I feel no emotional attachment to the DINOF branding myself and I feel like I (and the majority of the other fans) already refer to him as Dan Howell and only use DINOF when referring directly to the channel so I don't see this being that big of a deal.
DINOF isn't used that heavily when you think about it especially when compared to other youtuber usernames. Like if Felix decided he was ditching pewdiepie I feel like that would be a big deal because it's what he is most known as and gets used like it's his actual name. I rarely see DINOF being used like its Dans name these days. (Also sorry Felix is my example I know his a very touchy subject at the moment).

While the rebranding might represent a figurative end of an era for some people I don't think it's going to make any real difference (unless he surprises me and this is followed by a complete content overhaul).
And to be real I'll probably ignore his rebranding wishes and still use DINOF if I need to refer to the channel on here because I don't care. I do actually wonder if he'll actually be able to successfully do it or it it will just be a bit of a flop. The fans may just continue to use DINOF for the channel and as much as he'd like the mainstream media to get the memo I'm not sure they care enough to keep updated and after 8 years of him using it they may just continue referring to him as DanIsNotOnFire.

[Artdefines06]

Liveshow thoughts

1. Could the new edgy vid be the Dentist pain kink vid he said he was going to make a video about?

2. When he mentioned "people" taking his tumblr posts too seriously (around 53:20) it reminded me of you guys breaking down his old tumblr archive. Good times.

3. They "forgot" the nail polish, which either means Phil wasn't really into it or just plans really badly, or already knows how much footage will edit down into how long of a video and know they had hit their mark just by dressing up lol. Either way I am sad. I would love a chill q/a video where phil paints his nails and answers questions from twitter, like the old one where he dyed his hair blue. That is one of my faves.

[SexyTrashCan]

3. They "forgot" the nail polish, which either means Phil wasn't really into it or just plans really badly, or already knows how much footage will edit down into how long of a video and know they had hit their mark just by dressing up lol. Either way I am sad. I would love a chill q/a video where phil paints his nails and answers questions from twitter, like the old one where he dyed his hair blue. That is one of my faves.

I can't help but think of that tweet Phil made about watching nail painting videos and him surely knowing exactly what he was doing when he tweeted that... or maybe I'm just overthinking it

[fancybum]

3. They "forgot" the nail polish, which either means Phil wasn't really into it or just plans really badly, or already knows how much footage will edit down into how long of a video and know they had hit their mark just by dressing up lol. Either way I am sad. I would love a chill q/a video where phil paints his nails and answers questions from twitter, like the old one where he dyed his hair blue. That is one of my faves.

I can't help but think of that tweet Phil made about watching nail painting videos and him surely knowing exactly what he was doing when he tweeted that... or maybe I'm just overthinking it

What was he doing when he tweeted that?

[RiriPandaHeart2]

Not trying to start anything, I'm just really curious, I promise there's no malicious intention behind this.. But right now, there's a livestream for the BRITS online hosted by Caspar and the viewership is around 110K. When Deppy hosted it, how many viewers were in the livestream? I only got into them around May 2016 so I wasn't there when they were hosting it.

[papierklemmen]

can someone explain to me the obsession with the idea of deppy painting their nails, i honestly don't understand.

[hopinglester]

[offtopic]Phil favourited a tweet of Alice Levine (who works at BBC radio) about the 'My Dad Wrote a Porno' podcast (on which she participates). Funnily I started listening to that podcast not long ago and I'd even randomly thought if Dan and Phil had ever listened to it. Now I'm wondering if Phil ever talked about it and that's why I made the relation or if not? (btw I know the podcast is super well-known, but I can't recall deppy speaking about it)[/offtopic]

[SexyTrashCan]

3. They "forgot" the nail polish, which either means Phil wasn't really into it or just plans really badly, or already knows how much footage will edit down into how long of a video and know they had hit their mark just by dressing up lol. Either way I am sad. I would love a chill q/a video where phil paints his nails and answers questions from twitter, like the old one where he dyed his hair blue. That is one of my faves.

I can't help but think of that tweet Phil made about watching nail painting videos and him surely knowing exactly what he was doing when he tweeted that... or maybe I'm just overthinking it

What was he doing when he tweeted that?

Opening a big can of worms and fuelling the obsession with Deppy painting their nails.
No I don't understand the obsession either

[alittledizzy]

can someone explain to me the obsession with the idea of deppy painting their nails, i honestly don't understand.

Why were people obsessed with Dan not straightening his hair? Why do people want them to get a dog? Why do people want Dan and Phil to play certain games? Why do people want them to even make videos? Why not just passively sit back and have no expectations, why spend any time at all discussing things we'd like to see them do?

Because they are entertainers and we are not robots consuming media, we are viewers who react the things and people we watch. That's what makes them so successful. And yeah, we react to different things with different levels of intensity, and sometimes the things that we react to are just suggestions of potential future action that they may or may not even end up doing. But if no one ever expressed passionate interest in Dan and Phil doing anything, they wouldn't be doing youtube as a career. The kind of fandom voice that expresses obsessive interest is also their guideline for what will be most successful on their channels. (Example: pastel edits at almost two million views in a week.)

[fancybum]

I can't help but think of that tweet Phil made about watching nail painting videos and him surely knowing exactly what he was doing when he tweeted that... or maybe I'm just overthinking it

What was he doing when he tweeted that?

Opening a big can of worms and fuelling the obsession with Deppy painting their nails.
No I don't understand the obsession either

How is him casually tweeting about something he found interesting 'opening a can of worms'? They don't seem bothered by the 'obsession', especially if Phil actually took the time to watch some cool nail painting stuff. So the only people making it a negative thing are people who aren't interested in it and take some issue with other people being interested in it. Maybe people spamming them is what prompted Phil to go look at the tutorials but if it bothered him on any level, he could have not tweeted about it (or not looked into anything nail related at all). The fact that he chose to seems to suggest it doesn't bother him. The only people opening cans of worms are the people being offended over nothing on D&P's behalf.

[SexyTrashCan]

I can't help but think of that tweet Phil made about watching nail painting videos and him surely knowing exactly what he was doing when he tweeted that... or maybe I'm just overthinking it

What was he doing when he tweeted that?

Opening a big can of worms and fuelling the obsession with Deppy painting their nails.
No I don't understand the obsession either

How is him casually tweeting about something he found interesting 'opening a can of worms'? They don't seem bothered by the 'obsession', especially if Phil actually took the time to watch some cool nail painting stuff. So the only people making it a negative thing are people who aren't interested in it and take some issue with other people being interested in it. Maybe people spamming them is what prompted Phil to go look at the tutorials but if it bothered him on any level, he could have not tweeted about it (or not looked into anything nail related at all). The fact that he chose to seems to suggest it doesn't bother him. The only people opening cans of worms are the people being offended over nothing on D&P's behalf.

I don't have an issue with other's people obsession with it.
Just even look through the replies are all people getting hyped up and yelling "Paint your nails". It isn't necessarily a negative thing, just adding fuel to the fire. Because that was always going to be the effect of the tweet.

[sentinel]

I do believe the new video will be him changing his name from danisnotonfire to Dan Howell, as he has talked about it for ages and just last week was talking about the youtube feature that allows you to change your display name. The "cheeky" part will probably be, like discussed already, a clickbait title like "No more Danisnotonfire" or something along those lines. The video will probably be a collection of anecdotes of "cringe-y" uses of her name with him over reacting to them. I agree there will (probably) be no content change, but who knows with Dan lol.
However the thing that I'm questioning me with Dan's name change, do you think Phil will feel obligated to follow suit? By dropping the danisnotonfire branding, that means he'll want to be written about/referred to by "Dan Howell". So that means it'll be "AmazingPhil" and "Dan Howell"? Sounds weird. I'm not attached to either of their usernames, so I think it would be nice if Phil also changed his just to "Phil Lester". For some reason I feel it'd be a bigger deal in the fandom for Phil to also change his name, to drop his so-called """branding"""? Maybe because he has had his channel for over 10 years? Anyway, seems to me they're taking a step to be seen in a more professional light which I have no problems with. Also: All for pinof 9 being changed to Phil Howell 9

Didn't Phil say he liked starting with an A bc it mean he was higher in the sub box... he is too savvy to drop from number 1 to 16

[nephilimcat]

can someone explain to me the obsession with the idea of deppy painting their nails, i honestly don't understand.

Why were people obsessed with Dan not straightening his hair? Why do people want them to get a dog? Why do people want Dan and Phil to play certain games? Why do people want them to even make videos? Why not just passively sit back and have no expectations, why spend any time at all discussing things we'd like to see them do?

Because they are entertainers and we are not robots consuming media, we are viewers who react the things and people we watch. That's what makes them so successful. And yeah, we react to different things with different levels of intensity, and sometimes the things that we react to are just suggestions of potential future action that they may or may not even end up doing. But if no one ever expressed passionate interest in Dan and Phil doing anything, they wouldn't be doing youtube as a career. The kind of fandom voice that expresses obsessive interest is also their guideline for what will be most successful on their channels. (Example: pastel edits at almost two million views in a week.)

While I do agree, I also think there's an important (I accidentally wrote imporntant lol) difference between liking something and expressing that and demanding stuff from them.

When someone on this forum or on tumblr says "I really liked when Dan painted his nails, I wish he'd do that again" or "I really like game xy, I wish they'd play it", that's fine and if many people express those thoughts, then they might see it and decide to do it because it sounds fun/could make a popular video/whatever.
But what they must see a lot is "PAINT YOUR NAILS!" or "PLAY GAME XY!" and I hate that so much because they are pressuring them to do that. And yes, they are adults and have the ability to not do what their fans want, but I don't even want to know how that makes them feel

I don't think that was what you were referring to, alittledizzy, that thought just came to my mind when I read the question and your answer to it, so I decided to share it.

[fancybum]

How is him casually tweeting about something he found interesting 'opening a can of worms'? They don't seem bothered by the 'obsession', especially if Phil actually took the time to watch some cool nail painting stuff. So the only people making it a negative thing are people who aren't interested in it and take some issue with other people being interested in it. Maybe people spamming them is what prompted Phil to go look at the tutorials but if it bothered him on any level, he could have not tweeted about it (or not looked into anything nail related at all). The fact that he chose to seems to suggest it doesn't bother him. The only people opening cans of worms are the people being offended over nothing on D&P's behalf.

I don't have an issue with other's people obsession with it.
Just even look through the replies are all people getting hyped up and yelling "Paint your nails". It isn't necessarily a negative thing, just adding fuel to the fire. Because that was always going to be the effect of the tweet.

Yeah but I'm asking what's wrong with the fire in the first place? Every single thing they tweet is going to have people yelling something at them, who cares if one has a more specific theme? His tweet was engaging with something a lot of his followers have made it clear they're interested in, what's wrong with that? Should he have kept it to himself just because it could "encourage" more of those specific requests? Or should he/they never mention nails ever in any way unless it's while doing what they're specifically being asked to do (like in a nail painting vid)? Like if D&P aren't bothered with the requests, to the point of acknowledging them and even considering them/researching them, why is anyone else?

[papierklemmen]

nah, i don't think d&p are bothered by it, well at least not phil (who knows with dan and his unfinished ken doll rants). i think phil is a bit of a troll too, since he keeps mentioning the dog and teasing the phandom.

edit: i was more curious about the painted nails as a look, i haven't seen many fandoms where people want their faves to have painted nails, youtubers included (except for maybe joey graceffa). seems like a very specific thing to me.

[alittledizzy]

can someone explain to me the obsession with the idea of deppy painting their nails, i honestly don't understand.

Why were people obsessed with Dan not straightening his hair? Why do people want them to get a dog? Why do people want Dan and Phil to play certain games? Why do people want them to even make videos? Why not just passively sit back and have no expectations, why spend any time at all discussing things we'd like to see them do?

Because they are entertainers and we are not robots consuming media, we are viewers who react the things and people we watch. That's what makes them so successful. And yeah, we react to different things with different levels of intensity, and sometimes the things that we react to are just suggestions of potential future action that they may or may not even end up doing. But if no one ever expressed passionate interest in Dan and Phil doing anything, they wouldn't be doing youtube as a career. The kind of fandom voice that expresses obsessive interest is also their guideline for what will be most successful on their channels. (Example: pastel edits at almost two million views in a week.)

While I do agree, I also think there's an important (I accidentally wrote imporntant lol) difference between liking something and expressing that and demanding stuff from them.

When someone on this forum or on tumblr says "I really liked when Dan painted his nails, I wish he'd do that again" or "I really like game xy, I wish they'd play it", that's fine and if many people express those thoughts, then they might see it and decide to do it because it sounds fun/could make a popular video/whatever.
But what they must see a lot is "PAINT YOUR NAILS!" or "PLAY GAME XY!" and I hate that so much because they are pressuring them to do that. And yes, they are adults and have the ability to not do what their fans want, but I don't even want to know how that makes them feel

I don't think that was what you were referring to, alittledizzy, that thought just came to my mind when I read the question and your answer to it, so I decided to share it.

I had a response to this in mine but honestly, fancybum just summed up basically what I was going to say in response to someone else so I'll just quote it:

Every single thing they tweet is going to have people yelling something at them, who cares if one has a more specific theme?

I would think seeing fans passionately voicing an interest in what they do makes them feel financially secure because as long as there is always that level of demand then it means they're not yet irrelevant.

I also just think it's in line with their (particularly, Dan's) sense of humor with his fans to phrase things as abrupt demands instead of polite requests. People do take their cues from what Dan and Phil seem okay with, and when one of them expresses firm displease about something it generally fades off quickly. But when they carefully don't say anything firm against a 'demand' then I see no reason to assume it's upsetting them. (Unless the demand has to do with invasion of privacy/personal issues they don't discuss with us anyway, but that's a very different topic.)

[SexyTrashCan]

How is him casually tweeting about something he found interesting 'opening a can of worms'? They don't seem bothered by the 'obsession', especially if Phil actually took the time to watch some cool nail painting stuff. So the only people making it a negative thing are people who aren't interested in it and take some issue with other people being interested in it. Maybe people spamming them is what prompted Phil to go look at the tutorials but if it bothered him on any level, he could have not tweeted about it (or not looked into anything nail related at all). The fact that he chose to seems to suggest it doesn't bother him. The only people opening cans of worms are the people being offended over nothing on D&P's behalf.

I don't have an issue with other's people obsession with it.
Just even look through the replies are all people getting hyped up and yelling "Paint your nails". It isn't necessarily a negative thing, just adding fuel to the fire. Because that was always going to be the effect of the tweet.

Yeah but I'm asking what's wrong with the fire in the first place? Every single thing they tweet is going to have people yelling something at them, who cares if one has a more specific theme? His tweet was engaging with something a lot of his followers have made it clear they're interested in, what's wrong with that? Should he have kept it to himself just because it could "encourage" more of those specific requests? Or should he/they never mention nails ever in any way unless it's while doing what they're specifically being asked to do (like in a nail painting vid)? Like if D&P aren't bothered with the requests, to the point of acknowledging them and even considering them/researching them, why is anyone else?

That wasn't my point. At all.
My point was that I had some thoughts that he knew exactly what he was doing and what he may be implying (even teasing the phandom). That is it. I don't think anything is wrong with it. I don't think he did the wrong thing. That was all I meant.

[lost686girl]

oh boy. the day dan joins the Filmmakers™ crowd of youtube and starts producing ~films~ will probably be the day i check out for good. he's been slightly annoying with his "good content" whinery lately but i pray it'll never reach the levels of jack howard/hazel hayes. as for chat shows or sitcoms... honestly, at this point it's pretty obvious that traditional media and "content creators" don't mix well. grace flopped, tyler oakley flopped, and their channels lost views in the process. deppy can do whatever they want, and they probably do want because no way they will find just youtube satisfactory after all the outside experience, but gotta choose wisely because they're way past their prime. also, they are not good at actings and they are very awkward interviewers. idek.

your optimism is inspiring. do you even like dan and phil?

[papierklemmen]

oh boy. the day dan joins the Filmmakers™ crowd of youtube and starts producing ~films~ will probably be the day i check out for good. he's been slightly annoying with his "good content" whinery lately but i pray it'll never reach the levels of jack howard/hazel hayes. as for chat shows or sitcoms... honestly, at this point it's pretty obvious that traditional media and "content creators" don't mix well. grace flopped, tyler oakley flopped, and their channels lost views in the process. deppy can do whatever they want, and they probably do want because no way they will find just youtube satisfactory after all the outside experience, but gotta choose wisely because they're way past their prime. also, they are not good at actings and they are very awkward interviewers. idek.

your optimism is inspiring. do you even like dan and phil?

yes, but thanks for your concern