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hiddenwombat wrote:

Anonymousse wrote: [offtopic]

And like why does he like houseplants soo much? The plants don't judge him? The plants can live for a very long time? I wonder...

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I'm just blabbering now.

i think he just desperately wants a pet/child/SOMETHING to take care of but he's not allowed any of that so he's collecting plant children. (they do all have names.) he keeps nagging dan for a tiny apartment friendly pet like a hamster and seeing as he grew up with pets, it probably feels like there's a small void in the house.

greatnessflicker wrote:

spaceguitar wrote:I've been trying to work out what I don't like so much about Phil. Feel free to skip this post. It is mostly just cathartic for me. I've realized that what I find offputting about him is where we see his moments of insecurity. Like in the chat logs video about how his girlfriend broke up with him, or when he has mentioned being bullied at school. I guess that I don't like his impassive attitude about these things. And this definitely relates back to me and a fear of feeling out of control in my life (personal shit- I've just learned recently that when you have that gut dislike, it often is a reflection on your own unconscious).
Dan definitely shows his insecurity. But then he always seems to be searching for answers. Then he will say things like 'This is the happiest I've been in my life', and I feel good for him. He has moments of real confidence that I really like about him.
I realized this through thinking about how content that I like from Phil is things like DanandPhilCrafts, or his old vids where he either acted more confident or played an interesting character. So I guess that 'manchild' Phil for me is the one who puts himself down or acts really ditzy. I like the image of self-confident Phil, but I don't feel like I ever get to see it.

I've hinted at this being my opinion before, but is it reaching too much to assume that the leaking of the valentine's day video was a major factor into him closing himself up and tightening his persona? Like, we all talk about dan's reaction because he was vocal about it, but I think Phil's silence says much more. If I filmed something that intimate and then it became publicly available, I would definitely alter my image and try to avoid being put into that vulnerable state again.

I get that your argument is a bit more nuanced than what I made it out to be: you are saying you don't like moments where he shows vulnerability and you want to see more examples of him being confident, but I also feel like when you shut yourself off from showing insecurity, or at least act impassive when you recount moments of insecurity, you also, by the "you can't selectively numb emotions" aphorism, can't really display true moments of confidence either. To make it seem like I'm not completely butchering your comment, I bolded the specific wordings that prompted my response.

spaceguitar wrote:This is another topic, but it also bothers me how I can't really gauge how much he cares about Dan. People have mentioned that sometimes it hard to judge their closeness, and a portion of this i think is Phil being careful or not really looking at Dan while on camera. And this I think is totally a result of voldy

SquishPhan wrote:

spaceguitar wrote:This is another topic, but it also bothers me how I can't really gauge how much he cares about Dan. People have mentioned that sometimes it hard to judge their closeness, and a portion of this i think is Phil being careful or not really looking at Dan while on camera. And this I think is totally a result of voldy

I've never questioned how fond Phil is about Dan, to me that has always been clear. While Dan might say more things to let us know that he cares for Phil, Phil shows it with his actions.
There is a really great tumblr post about this, which captures my feelings and thoughts about this very well.
http://lineofsymmetry.tumblr.com/post/1 ... ments-phil

oqua wrote:

SquishPhan wrote:

spaceguitar wrote:This is another topic, but it also bothers me how I can't really gauge how much he cares about Dan. People have mentioned that sometimes it hard to judge their closeness, and a portion of this i think is Phil being careful or not really looking at Dan while on camera. And this I think is totally a result of voldy

I've never questioned how fond Phil is about Dan, to me that has always been clear. While Dan might say more things to let us know that he cares for Phil, Phil shows it with his actions.
There is a really great tumblr post about this, which captures my feelings and thoughts about this very well.
http://lineofsymmetry.tumblr.com/post/1 ... ments-phil

Thank you for sharing this post, I just read it and died from all my emotions, wtf

spaceguitar wrote: I realized this through thinking about how content that I like from Phil is things like DanandPhilCrafts, or his old vids where he either acted more confident or played an interesting character. So I guess that 'manchild' Phil for me is the one who puts himself down or acts really ditzy. I like the image of self-confident Phil, but I don't feel like I ever get to see it.

Whatevenismyusername wrote:I don't think I'd want a more serious Phil. I mean, I wouldn't hate it, just the general reason that I've always preferred Phil's content is because it's never as serious. I'm generally a very negative and sad person, so I try to stray away from serious topics in my free time as much as I possibly can.

Maybe if it was only an occasional thing, I'm sure he has some pretty interesting outlooks on life which we never see, but I probably wouldn't watch them.

akui wrote:I think he started buying houseplant because he misses having a garden, but then he kinda can't stop himself, that's my guess tho. And he can also look at the plants when he is getting annoyed with Dan. Or that he thinks the houseplants are the children that he couldn't have now.

I have friends who like plants and also around Dan-Phil's age, that's not old right? But they all like full on plant it from a seed type of person... My mum and grandma are like Phil in terms of plant, but they all very lonely without children or husband by their side. (This is getting dark, back to the bin! )

SquishPhan wrote:Also while I would love to get more of Phil’s onions, which I do think he has been sharing more lately, I don’t really want Phil’s channel to start talking about serious stuff. That’s really not what I want from that channel.

bedhead91 wrote:I'm going to be that annoying person and remind everyone that we still don't know if Voldy was real.

ironic wrote:One thing that always baffles me is the idea that people would subscribe to Dan just because they find him attractive. Is that really something people do??

bedhead91 wrote: I'm going I'm going to argue that Phil has always had a ""persona" of sorts, from the very beginning. He was always AmazingPhil on camera. Phil didn't even let his audience know his last name until about 2011, and even in the older, oversharing days of Youtube we know pretty much nothing about his past relationships or or sex life or anything...he has never been a particularly open book. I would argue that he's only become more private because his audience has grown so exponentially. I'm going to be that annoying person and remind everyone that we still don't know if Voldy was real.

districthirteen wrote: I would love to hear more about why you say this! Do you mean it in the sense that he was the creator of the video / his preference for keeping aspects of himself private / something else entirely?

LurkingTrash wrote:this is a really unhelpful comment to the discussion but....
Seeing the array of opinions on the last few pages and me being able to see people's sides (if not agree with a lot of them) is kinda of a slap on my face of how much of our discussions is guess-work based on what we perceive of them, I'm sad that we will probably never have 100% sure answers to them even if it's exactly that what keeps so many people with their eyeballs glued on their movements

spaceguitar wrote: I think you totally captured what I was trying to say- thanks for trying. I find the voldy argument a bit hard to judge as I wasn't in the phandom at the time. But yeah, something about how Phil kind of numbs down experiences bothers me.

greatnessflicker wrote: Wow, never knew that he didn't give out his last name until 2011. Thanks for that I haven't watched much of his pre-2009 stuff, and only have a few clips to go off, and I just remember a few suggestive comments, but you're right, nothing that was too revealing.

SquishPhan wrote:I've never questioned how fond Phil is about Dan, to me that has always been clear. While Dan might say more things to let us know that he cares for Phil, Phil shows it with his actions. There is a really great tumblr post about this, which captures my feelings and thoughts about this very well.
http://lineofsymmetry.tumblr.com/post/1 ... ments-phil

alittledizzy wrote:To me Phil's self-deprecation reads as a healthy amount because Phil also doesn't come off as reserved in pride about things he does, or things he does with Dan. Dan on the other hand, bothers me so much because he seems to think that the only way to approach anything creative he's done that's more than a year old is to basically call it a load of crap and laugh at it. The last radio show was sapped of sentimentality to me because it was basically an hour of Phil trying to subtly congratulate them and be proud of how far they'd come with the show, and Dan projecting embarrassment onto every single clip they showed.

LurkingTrash wrote:this is a really unhelpful comment to the discussion but....
Seeing the array of opinions on the last few pages and me being able to see people's sides (if not agree with a lot of them) is kinda of a slap on my face of how much of our discussions is guess-work based on what we perceive of them, I'm sad that we will probably never have 100% sure answers to them even if it's exactly that what keeps so many people with their eyeballs glued on their movements

eevee wrote:

ironic wrote:One thing that always baffles me is the idea that people would subscribe to Dan just because they find him attractive. Is that really something people do??

I mean...I mean...you don't like the eye candy aspect of Youtubers? Like there's way more to it, but, you don't like that small aspect?

Poe wrote:Just done catching up with this thread (3 more to go) and I want to respond to so many things but they would be very off-topic.

LurkingTrash wrote:this is a really unhelpful comment to the discussion but....
Seeing the array of opinions on the last few pages and me being able to see people's sides (if not agree with a lot of them) is kinda of a slap on my face of how much of our discussions is guess-work based on what we perceive of them, I'm sad that we will probably never have 100% sure answers to them even if it's exactly that what keeps so many people with their eyeballs glued on their movements

Well, isn't this how it normally is anyway? Even with people you know irl, you 'know' them only based on how you perceive them. Someone could perceive that person entirely different than you so the concept is almost the same, resulting in the same type of discussions. While irl you may know a little more about someone because they let you see more of them/ are more open with you/ they give you more information, you still won't have a 100% answer about a lot of the things they say or do. I think this is what makes people complex, not just Deppy tbh.

ironic wrote:Not that I don't like it but I don't particularly care.
What I meant was, it surprises me when people say a big reason why Dan has more subscribers than Phil is that he's 'objectively prettier'. Like I would never think about it that way. Idk.

The_Blonde wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:To me Phil's self-deprecation reads as a healthy amount because Phil also doesn't come off as reserved in pride about things he does, or things he does with Dan. Dan on the other hand, bothers me so much because he seems to think that the only way to approach anything creative he's done that's more than a year old is to basically call it a load of crap and laugh at it. The last radio show was sapped of sentimentality to me because it was basically an hour of Phil trying to subtly congratulate them and be proud of how far they'd come with the show, and Dan projecting embarrassment onto every single clip they showed.

I completely agree with your entire post - but especially the bit above about the last radio show. It was kinda frustrating to see Dan just cringing (real or otherwise) at all of their clips/links etc (I think the only vaguely positive thing he said was "didn't this make your mum cry?" or something about a Big Weekend video). Kind of a shame that he couldn't at least be outwardly proud of something they'd been working on for 3-4 years.

The_Blonde wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:To me Phil's self-deprecation reads as a healthy amount because Phil also doesn't come off as reserved in pride about things he does, or things he does with Dan. Dan on the other hand, bothers me so much because he seems to think that the only way to approach anything creative he's done that's more than a year old is to basically call it a load of crap and laugh at it. The last radio show was sapped of sentimentality to me because it was basically an hour of Phil trying to subtly congratulate them and be proud of how far they'd come with the show, and Dan projecting embarrassment onto every single clip they showed.

I completely agree with your entire post - but especially the bit above about the last radio show. It was kinda frustrating to see Dan just cringing (real or otherwise) at all of their clips/links etc (I think the only vaguely positive thing he said was "didn't this make your mum cry?" or something about a Big Weekend video). Kind of a shame that he couldn't at least be outwardly proud of something they'd been working on for 3-4 years.

eevee wrote:

Poe wrote:Just done catching up with this thread (3 more to go) and I want to respond to so many things but they would be very off-topic.

LurkingTrash wrote:this is a really unhelpful comment to the discussion but....
Seeing the array of opinions on the last few pages and me being able to see people's sides (if not agree with a lot of them) is kinda of a slap on my face of how much of our discussions is guess-work based on what we perceive of them, I'm sad that we will probably never have 100% sure answers to them even if it's exactly that what keeps so many people with their eyeballs glued on their movements

Well, isn't this how it normally is anyway? Even with people you know irl, you 'know' them only based on how you perceive them. Someone could perceive that person entirely different than you so the concept is almost the same, resulting in the same type of discussions. While irl you may know a little more about someone because they let you see more of them/ are more open with you/ they give you more information, you still won't have a 100% answer about a lot of the things they say or do. I think this is what makes people complex, not just Deppy tbh.

That's one way to think about it, but I think the point isn't that you can never know someone 100% and more that we will always see a guarded image of D&P because they will always be aware that the whole internet is seeing what they put out there and will therefore withhold certain things. For example we may never know if they're together. We may never know if they're not together. An irl person would share things like that with an irl friend if you ask me. Imagine going up to your friend and being like "are you dating so-and-so" and they just wave their hands around and back up slowly and go "you may never knooooooooow"

Poe wrote:That is true too but I think the amount of things irl friends share with you has more to do with how private they are. I definitely have close friends that don't really share things like that with others not so close friends. They just evade the question or chose to not answer it at all.

eevee wrote:

Poe wrote:Just done catching up with this thread (3 more to go) and I want to respond to so many things but they would be very off-topic.

LurkingTrash wrote:this is a really unhelpful comment to the discussion but....
Seeing the array of opinions on the last few pages and me being able to see people's sides (if not agree with a lot of them) is kinda of a slap on my face of how much of our discussions is guess-work based on what we perceive of them, I'm sad that we will probably never have 100% sure answers to them even if it's exactly that what keeps so many people with their eyeballs glued on their movements

Well, isn't this how it normally is anyway? Even with people you know irl, you 'know' them only based on how you perceive them. Someone could perceive that person entirely different than you so the concept is almost the same, resulting in the same type of discussions. While irl you may know a little more about someone because they let you see more of them/ are more open with you/ they give you more information, you still won't have a 100% answer about a lot of the things they say or do. I think this is what makes people complex, not just Deppy tbh.

That's one way to think about it, but I think the point isn't that you can never know someone 100% and more that we will always see a guarded image of D&P because they will always be aware that the whole internet is seeing what they put out there and will therefore withhold certain things. For example we may never know if they're together. We may never know if they're not together. An irl person would share things like that with an irl friend if you ask me. Imagine going up to your friend and being like "are you dating so-and-so" and they just wave their hands around and back up slowly and go "you may never knooooooooow"

LurkingTrash wrote: I really hope I don't come across as a child just banging their fists on the floor and crying 'I WANT MORE' tbh

hiddenwombat wrote: i remember it being out earlier since he showed a student ID in this old video (08), but i don't remember anyone making any kind of fuss out of it.

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The_Blonde wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:To me Phil's self-deprecation reads as a healthy amount because Phil also doesn't come off as reserved in pride about things he does, or things he does with Dan. Dan on the other hand, bothers me so much because he seems to think that the only way to approach anything creative he's done that's more than a year old is to basically call it a load of crap and laugh at it. The last radio show was sapped of sentimentality to me because it was basically an hour of Phil trying to subtly congratulate them and be proud of how far they'd come with the show, and Dan projecting embarrassment onto every single clip they showed.

I completely agree with your entire post - but especially the bit above about the last radio show. It was kinda frustrating to see Dan just cringing (real or otherwise) at all of their clips/links etc (I think the only vaguely positive thing he said was "didn't this make your mum cry?" or something about a Big Weekend video). Kind of a shame that he couldn't at least be outwardly proud of something they'd been working on for 3-4 years.