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Trump, Tripping and Introspection (Week 3)

Gets this right out of the way before coming back to it an hour from now (a speed talking (did he follow through on that crack snorting idea) stressful (to me) hour from now):
1:10 “I hope you’ve had a peaceable week, mine’s been pretty eventful. Going away this weekend, so I’ve been block-filming a whole bunch of videos, which has been fun, don’t know about you."

Prompted Phil Mention
25:25 (chat) Did the gaming chair break?
“Yeah, Phil has broken the gaming chair"
“There was an important update where me and Phil get a new office chair”
“Dan and Phil have got a new one!”

38:55 (chat) Talk about Phil’s wife and unborn child
“What’s this, Phoebe? Please let me know"
39:23 (chat) There’s a rumour that Phil has a secret wife and child
“Oh sh— Oh my God. You heard about that? Damn, how did you find out? Oh God. It’s so true, yep, Sabrina and their child Lola. How did you find out? Phil has been keeping that a secret for so long. This is just a fake apartment that he uses to film in when he’s not spending time with his real family. (sighs) And he thought he could get to his birthday before he made a video telling you all about the truth. Oh I can’t believe you all found out about it. You guys with your theories on the internet are just so good. (laughs) That’s quite funny."

43:50 (reads from chat) “You and Phil make my day”

53:50 (chat) Cool buzzsaw outside your house
“There’s these people behind mine and Phil’s apartment”
“So if you wanna see what’s ruining our lives at the moment, check out Phil’s twitter"

54:40 (chat) Are you and Phil going to Vidcon Anaheim?
Yes indeed.
Unprompted Phil Mention
23:35 “[I was going to do a YT unboxing video, but then [Alfie] did it first] and then Phil did it. Anyway.”
(does he actually believe he would have made that video if Alfie hadn’t? I don’t understand the pushing of this narrative- it would have been a boring video and he knows it, therefore he knows he wouldn’t have bothered making it. Just let it go. Also Tomska did it in Last Week before anybody else, so who cares that Alfie even exists tbh— why is any of this relevant to anybody why does he keep saying it)

32:10 “DanAndPhilBAKES, that’s a new channel, or not. DanAndPhilRATESBAKES, danisnotonfire and AmazingPhil are already DanAndPhilBAKES, let’s be honest.”

35:05 “Obviously me and Phil are not doing the BRITS this year” Caspar is

42:15 (chat) I like your hair.
“I like my hair. I feel like my only issue is, unlike Phil, Phil has very black hair and very pale skin, so his fade on the side, his little shaved bit, it looks quite cool and stands out a lot [unlike mine].”
Will get closer shaved sides next time. (chat) No. "Well guess what, ho, that’s what I want my hair to be like, and that’s all that matters.”
“Why did I think my hair looked good in 2011 when it was objectively fucking awful"

50:30 “Speaking of Netflix, guess what Danny and Philly watched? The OA.”
“it’s a sci-fi series”
(IS IT THOUGH< IS IT)

57:15 “I got a new candle.” "Phil got one called ‘Fairytale of New York’” and he got one called ‘Art’

59:55 “Speaking of next week, me and Phil are going up North to hang out with some pals, because it’s Phil’s bday”
“So I’m not going to be here next Tuesday because I’m doing my annual socializing. You need to let me just like, have friends at least once, ok? Don’t be too mean to me. I’ll see you the Tuesday after that."
(I'll go ahead and translate that ‘hang with some pals’ means ‘hang with Phil’s family’ because that’s what Phil offered as a birthday option for himself. So North means IoM and I’ll watch a PointlessBlog video if it turns out I’m wrong. Pray for me. Also will Phil stick to the 'seeing friends' story on Thurs or not mention it at all if he can avoid it? Tune in Thurs and find out on "Where Are the Boundaries Now")
Neutral Phil Mention
06:10 “Me and Phil have filmed a Sims video, it’s going to be the next video on DaPG”

21:40 “I found a Go Pro and I’ve taped it to my computer upstairs—‘my computer’— mine and Phil’s editing iMac— up in the office"
(chat corrects his grammar) "‘Phil and I’ indeed. Tangent time: [goes on about articulateness and poshness blah blah blah] “I always say ‘me and Phil’. Phil and I.”

45:55 “Play Monopoly on DaPG”
“24 hour live stream for Millie where Dan and Phil end with stabbing each other”
“A lot of you know that you like Dan and Phil”
46:40 “even the people that have subscribed to danisnotonfire and DanisntPhilGAMES” lmao
“I really can’t just shitpost on danisnotonfire because people really want the quality content."
“or even that video me and Phil did for Comic Relief” I get comments like “I really like your comedy videos that have sketches and impressive editing and make a point and that’s the content I signed up for, I just didn’t sign up to watch you drawing makeup on each other”
(interesting it's an alleged 26 year old male filmmaker offering a negative comment that sticks out to him, not the countless positive ones from not-26 year old not-filmmaker not-males just saying)

“It’s fine, I’m not saying that’s an issue [if less people would watch something with narrower potential ‘mainstream’ appeal], but it does affect the likelihood of us doing something.”
"Maybe card games and boardgames [on DaPG at some point], we’ll see”
“Don’t take me seriously, I’m just ranting off the top of my head."

1:01:15 “Look forward to a dinof video, gonna try and film it this weekend, not a promise. And the next DanAndPhilGAMES video is the Sims, toddler Dab, it’s funny, look forward to it. More videos on the gaming channel, side channel, it’s cool, 2017."
Miscellaneous
09:20 “Yes it’s been a challenging week for the world with the whole Trump thing. The Women’s March was quite amazing [..]. What the Women’s March showed is that all these millions of people around the world can come together and just stand up for really good virtues."

11:00 (chat) Tips for when you catch feels for somebody
“Well, you know, you could always just try to be their friend, see if there’s any romantic tingles, see where it leads you. Or you can always just stalk their interests and completely transform yourself to be the kind of person you think they’d like and then marry them, have a happy family, then eventually have a breakdown because you’ll be like ‘I’m not being the person I want to be but my god, this person’s so hot, THE ABS, was it worth it, sacrificing my authenticity?? I just don’t know!’ Um and then write a book about it because that seems pretty interesting."
(I’ll accept projection onto the first sentence, but the rest of it no, shut up Twitter. Writing a book about it =/= tabinof/dapgo as he was talking about writing about a giant failure, as in a tell-all. Unless you want to go with ‘Dan transformed his interests to match those of Phil to get him and now is trapped in an inauthentic life based on superficial interests'. And also pretend that Phil has abs. You do you.)

14:15 (chat) Would you rather be always right or always liked by others?
“It’s that whole thing. Especially if you’re a creative person. Should I just do what I like, or should I do things that I think will be popular so I’m successful? That’s the YT dilemma. I think generally, as various existential philosophers have said, what’s important is authenticity. Because if you try to be successful or popular or liked by people, but not being authentic to yourself, then you’ll never really be happy."
(the upcoming struggle of 'Dan vs. 2017' in a tidy little paragraph)

21:15 (chat) I just watched some old videos of yours
“Ha ha ha! Don’t do that.”

24:25 “They say that people have 2 modes. I have 2 modes: full on nihilist or wholesome. I’m either talking about death, wanting death, joking about death, or I’m saying, ‘Hey be calm, take a deep breath, everything’s cool, Wholesome Howell, everything’s nice’. I have no in-between. Literally there’s no chill. Life or death, it’s full on nihilism or wholesomeness. And that’s just me. And if you’re alarmed by either of those, you just need to think these both cancel each other out, so I’m basically a formless grey rock with nothing interesting to even talk about, so it’s okay."

26:10 “Instagram is nice because you're like ‘oh I follow my friends, these are what they’re up to, oh my friends are so attractive and have so much more fun than me and they’re so good at taking selfies and I’m just a really ugly rat that needs to drown’. Sometimes I feel like that because of Instagram, but it’s mostly pleasant.”

29:29 “What’s up with Dan. What’s up with Dan. Why doesn’t he tweet about the boring shit that he’s up to? Because he doesn’t want to be boring. Why doesn’t he make more shitty videos? Because he wants to make quality content even if it isn’t. Why doesn’t Dan post selfies? We can argue about all of these things, I think we can agree there’s really not anything wrong with posting selfies, so perhaps I should post more selfies. Who. fricking. knows. honestly."

30:15 “Oh, the polar bear cakes. They’re from a gay— a ‘gay-kery’? ‘Rainbow cakes, a diverse bakery’-- I think we’d all shop there.”

30:25 (chat) Thoughts on the Shane situation?
“I have no idea what that is— you have no idea how out of the loop I am and probably want to be. You just need to think to yourself, ‘Does Dan want to know’? The answer is: Dan probably doesn’t want to know.”
(Chris was asked about it in his liveshow today too and actually looked it up to see what it was about. It’s a mangled mess of unreliable narrators though so fair enough for Dan staying out of it I suppose.)

33:30 piano talk: “You need to chill [about him playing the piano], it’s an affront to everybody that can actually play the piano. Please don’t get excited for me playing 4 wrong notes, it makes me really upset for all the people that are actually good at piano. I’m just being real."
(He doesn’t want people making a big deal out of something he doesn’t think he's that great at, finds it embarrassing. Which is why he doesn’t play anymore on camera probs, so people don’t overly worship average skills just because they like him as a person. Stans with no objective sense of quality screaming how great he is at everything ultimately means nothing and makes him immune to actual feedback which, imo, probably leads him to lean to a more negative view of anything he does to balance out the terrifying and meaningless echo chamber of blind and deafening praise)

36:20 Yes he’s seen the Heaven video. "emotional, so good, cannot wait for more new Troye music”

38:00 (chat) Why are you so awkward?
“I don’t know. Why am I so awkward? I think, why I was not more confident as a child.. dunno. Was it how I was raised? My parents didn’t sit me down and encourage me enough. Were there too many overbearing kids at school that made me feel quiet? I don’t know. I’m just awkward. It’s just a part of me.”

41:25 “Well, if me being me makes you happy, then that makes me feel better about me. Because I’m sure, just like all of you, I’m sad about me sometimes. I’m like, 'Who is me? Do I like me? Is me good? Do other people like me?' And you can spend a lot of time laying awake at night thinking about these things, but if you say that it’s made you happy, then maybe I should just stop caring for a moment and go, ‘Whatever. Yeah.’ So thanks for that."

55:20 (chat) Soz for cyberbullying you last Tuesday
That’s okay, because I consent to it.

55:40 (chat) We need Truth or Dare 6
“No, you don’t, Dan has stopped doing those. Because, we can argue about this. What is creative integrity? Is it important? Does anybody give a shit? Is Dan’s content good? Does he think it’s good? Does he worry too much? Is it important to try—
I deemed Truth or Dare— it’s just a bit stupid and I couldn’t be bothered, so there we go. You can argue about it. I’ve just lost interest. The thing is, about problems, there’s a lot of terrible things in the world, so I find it hard to spend time or dedicate emotions to trivial issues. Sometimes other people are like, ‘Dan, give me your juicy opinion on this internet drama someone’s involved in’ and I’m like, ‘Literally Trump. Do you think I fuckin-- have even been on Twitter and know what’s happening? No! I don’t care!
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fancybum wrote:38:00 (chat) Why are you so awkward?
“I don’t know. Why am I so awkward? I think, why I was not more confident as a child.. dunno. Was it how I was raised? My parents didn’t sit me down and encourage me enough. Were there too many overbearing kids at school that made me feel quiet? I don’t know. I’m just awkward. It’s just a part of me.”
Yeah don't mind me I'm just...lying in bed...still thinking about this...three hours later...


Addendum: Also, really good and interesting liveshow all around!! Lots of insight into the mind of Dan.
And fancybum, your timestamps are a gift and your commentary is perfection.
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pearshaped34 wrote:
missemma wrote:
alittledizzy wrote:Considering some of the top fans on younow are paying in the area of $1000 (possibly up to $1400) a month each
YOU WHAT?! I never even considered how much the bars cost. I see WonderfullyRachel is the new Anahita, and she spent around 39,000 bars tonight. How much does that equate to does anyone know? I mean each to their own how these people spend their money but wow. I noticed that the amount for premium messages has also changed. The cap used to be 400 bars but is now 2000. I see Dan and Phil answering a lot of questions from the same people (birte_b, WonderfullyRachel, Darla and phan_2134), I wondered if this was because they are sending in questions when it's capped (at 2000 bars) and are picking the most expensive questions.
I don't know how true this is but in a previous discussion about this someone said it is apparently relatively simple for anyone who knows what they are doing to hack the younow site and give themselves bars and that there are third party websites you can buy them cheaper.

On the one hand I definitely think this has to be true because a lot of the top fans seems to be teenagers and I can't imagine even those with parents with mega bucks are seriously allowed to spend $1000+ a month just tipping their favourite youtubers. Or if the are adults that that anyone who has to actually work for their money would want to spend so much of it in that way.

But on the other hand I'm not sure if this theory makes sense though because surely D&P are getting paid from the top fans or they'd not bother regularly giving them shout-outs just for being a bunch of hackers who stop fans spending real money getting noticed.
And if D&P are getting paid from the bars given to them then surely younow must also be because if they got no money but still had to pay D&P and whatever other creators get hacker bars then surely they'd have found a way to crack-down or at least be barring suspected hackers so they could stop hemorrhaging money.

But that being said I think there must be something up with it because I simply can't fathom how anyone could be seriously spending that kind of money twice a week just to be in the top fans during liveshows.

I mean I suppose I should be glad someone does because I'm not willing to pay for them and as long as someone else does D&P will continue and I can enjoy for free. :lol:
Oh Oh, that was me! I talked about hacking the system! We never did come to a conclusion about whether Younow still gets the money or now...

HOwever, about rich kids being rich...I happened to stalk one of them once on twitter because I was super curious, and in addition to going to a bunch of tatinof shows they go to other concerts all the time and buy all tons of merch soooo...I guess it's not crazy to think that out of 6 million fans a handful of them would be well off. It bothers me morally though to think that DnP would be ok with taking the money though...seems to clash with the wholesome and pure Quality Content for money and 'we just want to hang out with you guyz cause we luv you' thing they have going on. The idea that they put up with 20k people shouting PHAN!!! and PIANO!!!! into the chat for a few cash cows makes me feel funny and I'm going to pretend it's not a thing lol.



And we all know Dan and Rachel are on a first name basis ;)






(I'm really counting on people remembering that Rachel came on here with another name and asked questions about herself to try to start drama, otherwise that joke will fall flat)

*Also the comment Dan made about writing a book about lying to yourself for years made me want to bring back my old quote..I might just rock two quotes for awhile.
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secretagentphan wrote:It's interesting because it makes you wonder if them being more "out" really would be less marketable. Many people think it's the other way around but their more domestic videos getting less views make me think the average viewer is not interested in their possibly romantic dynamic. That is VERY interesting to me. Only a loud section of their viewers do.
Why would them being out = them making domestic coupely videos? What are examples of their "more domestic" videos that have less views? And I think the average (casual) viewer probably isn't interested in their possibly romantic dynamic because they aren't interested in their relationship status at all. For casual viewers I don't think their interest in d&p would change if they were to come out. (Unless d&p's content majorly changed after they came out, which I don't think it would.)
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fancybum wrote:33:30 piano talk: “You need to chill [about him playing the piano], it’s an affront to everybody that can actually play the piano. Please don’t get excited for me playing 4 wrong notes, it makes me really upset for all the people that are actually good at piano. I’m just being real."
(He doesn’t want people making a big deal out of something he doesn’t think he's that great at, finds it embarrassing. Which is why he doesn’t play anymore on camera probs, so people don’t overly worship average skills just because they like him as a person. Stans with no objective sense of quality screaming how great he is at everything ultimately means nothing and makes him immune to actual feedback which, imo, probably leads him to lean to a more negative view of anything he does to balance out the terrifying and meaningless echo chamber of blind and deafening praise)
I know you meant this seriously, but all i can think is that he should come here more often. We can set him straight about when he is truly wonderful and when his acting is questionable

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Catallena wrote: Not surprising at all, Shelter was such a complete flop they never even mention it anymore after Phil initially saying he wanted to do Shelter 2. The hardcore phandom did love it, but if a high amount of views is what they're going for we don't matter as much like we do with things where our undying loyalty and influence comes in to play.
hi everyone, I don't contribute much but I'd like to start talking more often because you guys seem like such a nice bunch

That's interesting. I'm not what I would call a hardcore fan, but I thought Shelter was one of the best series on DAPG, and I didn't notice it hadn't done so well views-wise. I liked it so much that I actually bought the game (for $1 on Steam when it was 80% off ). Phil obviously really enjoyed playing it, I liked the art, and I got really invested in the storyline. Sidenote: we need to give Phil credit for dealing with the controls, it's actually quite difficult! Was it perhaps the absensce of Dan = less banter?

One of my other favourites is Dan playing Outlast. When they're playing alone, it's less like we're watching somebody else talking as a third party, and more like direct conversation. What do you prefer?

I don't watch liveshows because they've always been in the middle of the night (hooray for living in Australia), but now Dan's uploading them on YT I might take a look :D
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Catallena wrote: Dan is so contradictory on the topic of video subject though. He no longer wants to make Truth or Dare videos (fair enough and we've known this for years it ain't news) because he wants to make videos about 'serious issues' or whatever. But he plays shitty Flash games for pure entertainment value. With those double standards he just makes the entire Dan and Phil brand seem like a cheap cash cow, I wonder if he realizes that.
I don't think he's really contradictory, that's a comparison between his individual channel and the gaming channel. He holds them to different standards (whatever anybody thinks about the end product of each). He's grown out of Truth or Dare on his own personal channel, but fluff content like flash games is fine on the gaming channel, which serves a different purpose (casual/fun hanging out watching 'friends' play a game) than whatever direction he'd like to take his dinof content. Disagree on it qualifying as double standards or cash grabby.
Artdefines06 wrote: I know you meant this seriously, but all i can think is that he should come here more often. We can set him straight about when he is truly wonderful and when his acting is questionable

I crack myself up....
I'd like to set both of them straight and tell them to do some yoga and take care of their spines. Nevermind storage, priority is now #POSTURE2017
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Oh Oh, that was me! I talked about hacking the system! We never did come to a conclusion about whether Younow still gets the money or now...
They do not! I remember a couple of liveshows (of Chris and D&P around the same time) where some new user was top fan in all of them (it was a guy's name, not phan related at all), dropping crazy amounts of bars. And Chris mentioned it in a following liveshow that younow told him they were fake bars (scammed or whatever) and weren't valid or something. I wish I could remember when the hell this was, but Chris did like days and days of liveshows on and off for weeks, so I ain't got time to narrow that down. But he definitely gave the impression (or explicitly said, but I can't remember for sure) that the bars/revenue were voided since they were never legitimately bought in the first place.

OOH and it just occurred to me:
The thing is, about problems, there’s a lot of terrible things in the world, so I find it hard to spend time or dedicate emotions to trivial issues. Sometimes other people are like, ‘Dan, give me your juicy opinion on this internet drama someone’s involved in’ and I’m like, ‘Literally Trump. Do you think I fuckin-- have even been on Twitter and know what’s happening? No! I don’t care!'
Was this a way to comment but not comment on Felix? Is he reducing people wanting some perfectly reasonable acknowledgement of their concerns about him to 'looking for a juicy opinion on internet drama' because :sideeye: Like I'm worn down at this point, the energy to continue being upset or surprised about a lot of things has just left my body, I am a shell, but for things like this (less so 'internet drama' a la Blackery, more so actual concerning hate speech that adds no value to the world (in humour, in commentary, in entertainment unless you're jerking it to 4chan daily) outside of plain old boring and hateful shock value), like... don't do that, Dan. 'Literally Trump', yeah. An ignorant garbage man spewing/supporting hate then whining the media is out to get him and twisting the meaning of his words HMMM WHO AM I EVEN TALKING ABOUT 9 out of 10 dentists can't tell. But whatever, sigh. No point.

but also maybe that wasn't even on his mind and he was still thinking about the chat asking him about Shane and assuming it was some insignificant drama he's too above to care about, who knows. maybe the leftover dentist.
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weird little thing. so remember when dan followed those two weird twitter accounts that seemed like "cult accounts"? (@SPIRITOF1029) (@edmudokon)

well apparently they're just to promote a video game coming out, like a teaser, about this game called odd world inhabitants. and the company who makes the game, wanted to interact with the audience across social media platforms, by using these "coded" tweets.

anyways, just thought it was weird, and put an end to my theorizing with dan and if he had gone completely mental. :thumb:
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Artdefines06 wrote: *Also the comment Dan made about writing a book about lying to yourself for years made me want to bring back my old quote..I might just rock two quotes for awhile.
Awesome! I screenshotted it just before you replaced it because I liked it so much. I hope that's not too weird. :shock:
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LeftHandedism wrote:
Artdefines06 wrote: *Also the comment Dan made about writing a book about lying to yourself for years made me want to bring back my old quote..I might just rock two quotes for awhile.
Awesome! I screenshotted it just before you replaced it because I liked it so much. I hope that's not too weird. :shock:

Lol, not wierd, but I figured it would always be in my original post so I just searched the word mansion and it popped up. I am sad about the 255 word siggy limit though, I can't have all the quotes I want :(
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Hi, I have a huuuuge request. I'm a journalism student and I'm writing a paper about popularity of Youtube, about it's phenomenon, about youtubers and their fanbase. And as an example I chose Dan and Phil and phandom. I found this fandom very interesting to study. I mean, you are something guys, dedicated and creative and not every youtuber or celebrity has that kind of fanbase. So... to complete my paper, my study, I had to make a form. 10 simple questions, it'll only take you like 5 minutes or less. Please. Pretty please. I have quite a lot of answers already, but I need A LOT, like really a lot. Otherwise it won't be believable. If you have some time, fill in this form. That means world to me, my paper is an important work. You already like Dan and Phil, so this form is basically about YOU and how you feel about them, why do you like them. PLEASE :) go to the link below. Please! And thank you :)
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Dan's liveshow was okay.
The only points that catch my attention is Dan acknowledging the phandom drama sort of. And the gaykery crack me up for no reason. I know, it's not that funny but maybe I was too tired or something I actually laugh out loud

Nice analyzation about dapg views. I am very curious whether some of dapg viewers only interested in them playing mainstream games that other youtubers play. Because I really like katamari or any old games that they play, it gives me peek of who they really are having all this games. But maybe other people is more interested with the games than them as people, which is fair, each to their own. I'm not sure what am I babbling about at this point. I will stop now and make more coherent post later. (i say that all the time and then I dissappear lol)
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Catallena wrote:
I kinda wish they'd just turn DAPG into a regular collab channel. Neither of them really wants a gaming channel, they probably kinda regret it, aren't into it anymore, and most of their subscribers don't care about gaming anyway. They're just stressing themselves out over it, forcing themselves to play games they give fuck all about because they want to keep games they genuinely love for themselves. Just put everything that is a Phan collab (except PINOF because that does belong on AP) on that channel with gaming stuff because just one of the things they do. Whack all the baking videos, DITL's, other collab videos on there so the main channels (especially Phil's) can breathe again and let their own brands flourish and develop. My friend predicts DAPG will only last another year and then they'll just quit it entirely.
I hate to say it, but I completely agree with most of this. DAPG stopped being a gaming channel the minute they realized they had something with Dil. I'm worn out on all the flash (or flash-esque) games and you can literally tell that they are too. I realize there's a level of faux-enthusiasm that every youtuber displays, but the gaming videos in particular just really reek of fake fun. It's why I'm always desperate to see them either play something they like, but more casually, or otherwise compete with each other in a 1v1 situation. They're less likely to BS a video that way.

I don't necessarily agree with your friend's timeline, but I definitely think that at this point, DAPG is just a cover for them to do consistent videos together - give the audience what they want. In which case, we might as well lose the games.

Fancybum, just... Thank you! Here we gooo.
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14:15 (chat) Would you rather be always right or always liked by others?
“It’s that whole thing. Especially if you’re a creative person. Should I just do what I like, or should I do things that I think will be popular so I’m successful? That’s the YT dilemma. I think generally, as various existential philosophers have said, what’s important is authenticity. Because if you try to be successful or popular or liked by people, but not being authentic to yourself, then you’ll never really be happy."
(the upcoming struggle of 'Dan vs. 2017' in a tidy little paragraph)
I genuinely sometimes feel like I don't know what authentic Dan is? (Does he know? I guess that's the point of his whole rant throughout.) Because here we have a situation where it's made blatantly clear they do things for the views (rip shelter), and then he goes on about authenticity. What's authentic to Dan about exam advice? Or a second memes video because the 2015 one was popular? Or ISG? This all just ties into what I said above anyway. I hope he practices what he preaches in 2017 tbh. Although, to argue with myself here a bit, who am I to say this isn't authentic Dan? Apparently, uttering the word "persona" is now a sin.
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33:30 piano talk: “You need to chill [about him playing the piano], it’s an affront to everybody that can actually play the piano. Please don’t get excited for me playing 4 wrong notes, it makes me really upset for all the people that are actually good at piano. I’m just being real."
(He doesn’t want people making a big deal out of something he doesn’t think he's that great at, finds it embarrassing. Which is why he doesn’t play anymore on camera probs, so people don’t overly worship average skills just because they like him as a person. Stans with no objective sense of quality screaming how great he is at everything ultimately means nothing and makes him immune to actual feedback which, imo, probably leads him to lean to a more negative view of anything he does to balance out the terrifying and meaningless echo chamber of blind and deafening praise)
I love this analysis and it really explains so much I've never considered. We generally roll with the fact that Dan gravitates toward the negative, but here's the why. He's spent the last 7 years hearing nothing but the internet (and irl tbh) version of incessant, excited shrieking, so a negative comment in the crowd stands out more and so do his own internal judgements. How do you accept compliments in a world where you hear them every single day? In his own words, he's basically dead to it. Honestly, thank god for Phil.

He's also at a weird and understandable place where he's very hypocritical with his audience. On one hand, he respects us and understands our jokes and laughs along and makes reference to the range of maturity within the crowd, but on the other he's... a bit condescending? (I realize this is brought up at least once with every live show. I'm sorry.) Specifically in the case of the piano-playing... Dan, just because we celebrate you taking the time to plunk out a tune for us doesn't mean we don't know what truly good piano is. Christ.

I wanted to touch on the topic of how much Dan and Phil make off YouNow, but it was pretty much covered and I don't remember what I wanted to say, so this is just me showing my appreciation for that convo.

Artdefines06, I'm 100% with you on liking to pretend YouNow's whole system doesn't exist. It grosses me out a bit whenever either of them comment on the ~cute tipping animations or proposals.

In re-reading all of this rambling, I realize I come off very negative, so I feel like I owe the obligatory fine print that Dan is good people and I enjoy being a critical asshole sometimes.
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I'm not sure I do know what good piano playing sounds like, Dan's playing sounds great to me. I love the sound of the piano, though, it's just so lovely to hear it. I guess I've heard a few pros play in music competitions (just don't listen to a lot of classical music) and they play busier pieces that seem to use more of the keys, but what Dan plays still sounds great. I get the point, though, that everyone giving praise like that becomes empty.
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I thought him talking about his family interesting and how they listen to house music and never made an effort to introduce Dan to thinks like 80's music/Classic movies etc.
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If they are worried about not making enough money from youtube, maybe the first step would be to actually upload regularly :roll:
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MoonPride wrote:I thought him talking about his family interesting and how they listen to house music and never made an effort to introduce Dan to thinks like 80's music/Classic movies etc.
Yeah, that was interesting. He talked about it for a really long time lol.
  • 12:40 (chat) Do you like Pink Floyd?
    “I do like Pink Floyd! I… My dad wasn’t really into rock music, so a lot of people who get into rock music — I mean, stereotyping here, generically — or mum, whatever — erm, get into old music ‘cause it’s what their parents are listening to. [...tangent about lego watch...] Erm, my parents listened to house music, so I know a lot about, like, random sub genres of dance, but… I never really listened to the old— I don’t know anything about Bruce Springsteen, Niel Diamond, you know, all these things. Crazy! Rolling Stones. Not really. Just ’cause, family didn’t grow up listening to them. So, I had a family that, erm, didn’t really show me ’80s movies, ’cause… I’m a nineties kid, some of you are nineties kids, noughties kids, I’m sure whatever you— ‘What about ’80s music?’ Same about ’80s music, Gabby G: ’80s music, ’80s movies… I just don’t— I’m just not really familiar with it. Because my family didn’t play it around me, weren’t passionate about it in a way where they’d show it to me. So things like Home Alone, Ghost Busters, Back to the Future… it’s literally in my adult life that I now go back and am like, ‘Hmm! Yeah! Wow! All these ’80s movies were like the frickin’ best movies ever!’ It was only last New Year’s Eve — 2015 to ’16 — where I watched the Back to the Future movies for the first time ever! And I was like ‘What even are these, can’t be bothered to watch them.’ And now they’re like some of my favorite movies ever. Just crazy.”
Also, this is the second time that he's brought up this "my parents never showed me '80s movies" thing recently. I feel like Phil must be to blame lol. Like teasing him about it or something. :lol:

Like here's a very similar quote from his 10 January 2017 liveshow:
alittledizzy wrote:41:41 - "Tell you what I watched. With Phil." With Phil, you saw? Wow, Dan. Plot twist. (Spoiler: they watched Home Alone.)
42:31 - "My family didn't really watch movies and then show them to me out of excitement, and because I was born in the 90s I didn't watch a lot of 80s movies because no one showed them to me. So, like, I only watched Back to the Future last New Years." Are they making it a yearly tradition for Phil to show Dan 80s movies?
And on the subject of his parents listening to house music, here's a transcription of part of a 2013 liveshow where he also talks about that! :D

Radio Show from 28 July 2013
[link to video] (at 1:31:20)

(Context: Aled is talking to Dan and Phil, promo-ing his upcoming segment on the Surgery, which is going to be about parents who "aren't ideal" or something.)
  • Aled (to Dan and Phil): How are your parents?
    Phil: My parents, they’re—
    Aled: Any issues with them?
    Phil: —they are lovely. They asked me to tidy my room a lot—
    Aled: Okay.
    Dan: [laughs]
    Phil: —so that’s fair enough. But they’re—
    Dan: That’s a first-world problem there, [mock whines] “My parents, they made me tidy my room loads!”
    Phil: Yeah.
    [Everyone laughs]
    Phil: But no, I was very lucky with my parents. And could I also say happy birthday to my mum for Friday as well!
    All: Awww.
    Aled: Happy birthday!
    Dan: Happy birthday Phil’s mum for Friday.
    Phil: Thanks. Erm, yeah, so…Dan? …How are yours?
    Dan: Oh, fine! My parents were quite young, so they were quite into house music, which was cool. So everyone’s parents were kind of like old and snootier, but then mine were kind of like, “Party Mum!” So—
    Aled: Is that good? Or is that kind of like Ab Fab? Where it’s a little bit like, “this is my territory.”
    Dan: It— They weren’t too Ab Fab. But sometimes I was like, “Dad, don’t listen to Kanye West,” you know what I mean?
    [Everyone laughs]
(Honestly I find that to be a pretty interesting radio show clip in general, not just because of the house music thing! I'm just fascinated by their responses, their body language, everything.)
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In addition to oqua's post, great archiving by the way , if I'm not mistaken, Dan's father was once a DJ isn't it? That must have contribute somehow to the exposure of house music.

I'll let you know that I have to google what house music is lol
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My theory on them going up North, I think they will spend the weekend with Phil's friends and fly to IoM Sunday/Monday morning to celebrate Phil's actual birthday with his family.

The fact they have filmed a few videos in advance means they plan to be away for at least a week I think. We shall wait and see if Phil confirms a live show for next Thursday.
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I feel for Dan and his struggle with popularity vs authenticity, but I don't understand why it has to be either or for him (I see it with other youtubers too, so maybe there's something to it). Maybe I just don't get how YouTube works from the perspective of a creator, but I don't understand why he can't make videos that he knows will get loads of views but he doesn't enjoy making AND videos that he enjoys making but may not get as many views. Seems like the best option if you want to keep the cash and the creative juices flowing. Plus he has like 10,000 channels, he could easily pick one to keep all his creative stuff on and use a different one for his popular videos. I don't get where the conflict comes from. Why not do both?
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Truth_or_cliche wrote:I feel for Dan and his struggle with popularity vs authenticity, but I don't understand why it has to be either or for him (I see it with other youtubers too, so maybe there's something to it). Maybe I just don't get how YouTube works from the perspective of a creator, but I don't understand why he can't make videos that he knows will get loads of views but he doesn't enjoy making AND videos that he enjoys making but may not get as many views. Seems like the best option if you want to keep the cash and the creative juices flowing. Plus he has like 10,000 channels, he could easily pick one to keep all his creative stuff on and use a different one for his popular videos. I don't get where the conflict comes from. Why not do both?
Three channels (dinof, dini, dapg) is not 10,000 though? And I think the answer is that Dan is a chronic overthinker. He wants everything on dinof to be held to a certain standard for the certain kind of viewers he thinks that channel has. I don't really blame him, because I understand where he is coming from, but I think he should remember that his side channel can also be used for vloggy, casual little videos, like he's posted there before.

But he sees dini as the shitposting channel (even though he still overthinks what he puts there - think the pinof bloopers) and dinof as the channel that's been there since the beginning and must undergo a slow slow slow rebranding before it can be used for more 'real' stuff or what represents him now, because he doesn't want his audience to become people who say they missed 'the old Dan'.

And even when he posts something there that is a bit personal or pushing the boundary of usual content, he backtracks or ignores it in his liveshows (such as wtf is your sexuality). There does not yet seem to be an in between place to put creative videos that don't appeal to a larger audience. In his mind, anyway.

Or maybe he just does not want to make a lot of videos I hope this post makes sense lol.
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On the topic of using your home as a set, Tyler Oakley uploaded this video yesterday:



Apparently he has been living somewhere else for the past 8 months and only came back to his appartment to film videos. Now he's actually moving out since it reminds him of '2014!Tyler' (okay, those are my words).

So again proof that it is definitely possible to fake that you live somewhere as a Youtuber :lol:
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rizzo wrote:
Catallena wrote:
I kinda wish they'd just turn DAPG into a regular collab channel. Neither of them really wants a gaming channel, they probably kinda regret it, aren't into it anymore, and most of their subscribers don't care about gaming anyway. They're just stressing themselves out over it, forcing themselves to play games they give fuck all about because they want to keep games they genuinely love for themselves. Just put everything that is a Phan collab (except PINOF because that does belong on AP) on that channel with gaming stuff because just one of the things they do. Whack all the baking videos, DITL's, other collab videos on there so the main channels (especially Phil's) can breathe again and let their own brands flourish and develop. My friend predicts DAPG will only last another year and then they'll just quit it entirely.
I hate to say it, but I completely agree with most of this. DAPG stopped being a gaming channel the minute they realized they had something with Dil. I'm worn out on all the flash (or flash-esque) games and you can literally tell that they are too. I realize there's a level of faux-enthusiasm that every youtuber displays, but the gaming videos in particular just really reek of fake fun. It's why I'm always desperate to see them either play something they like, but more casually, or otherwise compete with each other in a 1v1 situation. They're less likely to BS a video that way.

I don't necessarily agree with your friend's timeline, but I definitely think that at this point, DAPG is just a cover for them to do consistent videos together - give the audience what they want. In which case, we might as well lose the games.
I have a totally different take on how they feel about the gaming channel. I actually think that's where most of their genuine enthusiasm is, for reasons just like gamingmas - it takes the pressure off of them to update their main channel regularly and gives them a sense of immediate accomplishment without so much of the associated stress. What they enjoy, in a genuine and stress free way, is making videos together. A video where the purpose is already inlaid in the format, that requires no scripting or camera angles, that just requires them to sit side by side and interact while looking at a screen and reacting to something - I think that is the most enjoyable thing about being on youtube to both of them right now. With the gaming channel they can actually put out content on a regular basis, giving them the feeling of being productive youtubers, and not hate/procrastinate the process of doing it because they're working together and don't have to come up with ideas beyond the title of a game.

(Though yes, maybe they're not in love with the actual games themselves but I don't get any sense of imminent end to DAPG. I'd be less surprised to see Dan give up dinof totally, but that is the actual cash cow.)
yupitsme wrote:So again proof that it is definitely possible to fake that you live somewhere as a Youtuber :lol:
I saw Tyler's video yesterday and thought a lot about this. Then I realized just quickly even looking through Tyler's social media and channel history - it would have been very easy for him to mislead about where he lives because you never see his home anyway. He literally seems to only share photos of traveling or when he's out, never of his home or personal life, and all of his tweets are either political or the extremely vague relatable kind he probably schedules way in advance. Dan and Phil, for all they do like their privacy, never leave their home and therefore all their social media and video presences center around it. All Tyler had to do was not keep his living room furniture - Dan and Phil would have to basically leave behind every single thing in the flat and rebuy all new in order to fool us, since we see so much of it so regularly.
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alittledizzy wrote:
rizzo wrote:
Catallena wrote:
I kinda wish they'd just turn DAPG into a regular collab channel. Neither of them really wants a gaming channel, they probably kinda regret it, aren't into it anymore, and most of their subscribers don't care about gaming anyway. They're just stressing themselves out over it, forcing themselves to play games they give fuck all about because they want to keep games they genuinely love for themselves. Just put everything that is a Phan collab (except PINOF because that does belong on AP) on that channel with gaming stuff because just one of the things they do. Whack all the baking videos, DITL's, other collab videos on there so the main channels (especially Phil's) can breathe again and let their own brands flourish and develop. My friend predicts DAPG will only last another year and then they'll just quit it entirely.
I hate to say it, but I completely agree with most of this. DAPG stopped being a gaming channel the minute they realized they had something with Dil. I'm worn out on all the flash (or flash-esque) games and you can literally tell that they are too. I realize there's a level of faux-enthusiasm that every youtuber displays, but the gaming videos in particular just really reek of fake fun. It's why I'm always desperate to see them either play something they like, but more casually, or otherwise compete with each other in a 1v1 situation. They're less likely to BS a video that way.

I don't necessarily agree with your friend's timeline, but I definitely think that at this point, DAPG is just a cover for them to do consistent videos together - give the audience what they want. In which case, we might as well lose the games.
I have a totally different take on how they feel about the gaming channel. I actually think that's where most of their genuine enthusiasm is, for reasons just like gamingmas - it takes the pressure off of them to update their main channel regularly and gives them a sense of immediate accomplishment without so much of the associated stress. What they enjoy, in a genuine and stress free way, is making videos together. A video where the purpose is already inlaid in the format, that requires no scripting or camera angles, that just requires them to sit side by side and interact while looking at a screen and reacting to something - I think that is the most enjoyable thing about being on youtube to both of them right now. With the gaming channel they can actually put out content on a regular basis, giving them the feeling of being productive youtubers, and not hate/procrastinate the process of doing it because they're working together and don't have to come up with ideas beyond the title of a game.

(Though yes, maybe they're not in love with the actual games themselves but I don't get any sense of imminent end to DAPG. I'd be less surprised to see Dan give up dinof totally, but that is the actual cash cow.)
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I completely agree with this - if anything, I think they've been more enthusiastic lately about the gaming channel than they have their individual channels. I admit I've doubted their genuine enthusiasm toward DAPG in the past, but gamingmas and their attitude toward it/the effort they put into it convinced me that they are both serious about the channel and, despite maybe feeling some exhaustion toward it at times, do genuinely enjoy it. Even Dan said that gamingmas was 'just what [he] needed'.

The gaming channel 1. doesn't have the reputation that their main channels do (especially DINOF), and therefore the expectations are different (there's room for lower production value, less pressure to be 'deep' and 'articulate' and 'somewhat meaningful' etc) and 2. has a smaller audience, again lessening the pressure for each video to be of the same standard as their main channel videos (again, this applies mostly to DINOF).

I don't doubt that they do struggle with striking a balance between 'games that are entertaining to watch', 'games they enjoy playing' and 'games that get a lot of views' without also ruining for themselves games they want to play in private, but ultimately I don't see them abandoning the channel any time soon.
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So I'm currently watching the LS on Danisnotinteresting. Notes:

#WavyDan and its codependent #Shavedsides

Dan seems torn between sounding too posh / educated?, and being true to oneself. He admits to adjusting his usage so he doesn't seem too "posh." Well, I say:

#PoshDan

Also mentions the Brits, and Caspar "Pineapple" Lee hosting the show. I couldn't tell if he sounded disappointed that he and Phil weren't doing the show (it sorta sounded that way.)
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