Dan & Phil Part 33: #JustBroThings

[CallMeAyana]

...I think that he doesn't trust his parents in a long time, and that's why he's so happy to have Phil in his life because even if Phil criticizes him sometimes, Phil still understands (in a way) because Phil lets him say his thoughts and not get a negative reaction.

So Phil has joined Dan as seen on Caspers latest snapchat

Here it is!

Is that Emma Blackery next to Tomska??????

That's what I thought!!! Good grief!

Also... I'm just gonna wait for another tweet from Emma. She wouldn't miss this chance to create drama.

[melon lord]

melon lord: I think I understood your first post wrong, sorry. And thanks for clarifying. I still struggle with English sometimes (even though I shouldn't at this point ) and sometimes don't catch someone's meaning right away. I agree with what you said.



I'm so torn whether I should like her or not lately. I don't really like her anymore but at the same time she keeps making friends with awesome people so I think she can't be all that bad. Until she does something stupid again. Rinse and repeat.

Heeyyyy don't worry it's totally fine Don't worry about it, that's why I explained myself better, because English isn't my first language either so maybe I didn't express myself properly. Sometimes you don't realise that not everyone is in your head

As for Emma, ugh. She's ruined herself permanently for me. Even in her thread when she mentioned fandoms and such, she's STILL digging at Dan and Phil, time after time she says she's learned her lesson and she keeps digging the same hole and falling right into it. At this point she's just pathetic, really. No matter how many Zelda tats she gets and removes, no matter how many awful people she befriends and gossips with, no matter how much ass kissing and complaining and whining and forgiving, Emma will always be so wrapped up in that she's like those little fish that stick onto sharks and feed off their dead skin

[flarequake]

I don't find Emma that bad, we've wondered at her reasons for keeping on rehashing things before so I won't go into it, but regardless I find some of her videos quite funny. She's said the guys say hi if they see her, I'm sure they can all be in the same room and none of them will combust on sight.

On relationships with parents, not actually knowing makes it all a bit but it's interesting to hear everyone's thoughts.

[oqua]

Are there any indications about Dan's parents being unhappy with Phil or him doing YouTube at all, it seems to be just speculation? There's the few mentions of dropping out of uni, but that's about it besides them being busy and Grandma being there instead. melon lord makes a good point and he is quite sensitive, but also fairly private, we don't really know a lot.

I have never seen anything indicating Dan's parents don't like Phil. We know Phil stayed with them at least a few times between 2009-2010 before Dan moved to Manchester, and we know Phil went home with Dan in 2011 for Dan's mother's birthday (5:36 in this clip). That doesn't really sound like Phil was all that uncomfortable, or they didn't like Phil.

Yeah, I've never seen any indication that they don't like Phil! Phil visited Reading at least four times, plus the birthday one alittledizzy mentioned.


As for his parents not liking YouTube, I don't think there's any indication they don't approve of YouTube, but at least until April 2012, they didn't watch his videos:


6 July 2011

• “I don’t really mind my family knowing, 'cause, you know, they so don’t get the internet that they probably wouldn’t even know how to watch my videos if they wanted to.”

("If they wanted to"? )

16 August 2011

• Q: Is it awkward thinking of your parents watching your youtube channel?
  Dan: They’re aware that I make YouTube videos and that I do this whole Internet thing, but neither of them are remotely Internet-savvy. Like, my dad just doesn’t get computers at all and my mum, like, she just doesn’t understand how to copy and paste? So like…I don’t have to…worry about awkwardness 'cause they just don’t understand the Internet at all.

27 April 2012

• Q: Do your parents watch your videos?
  Dan: No, but I did find out the other day that my grandma does. 'Cause, like, my dad doesn’t really use the Internet at all and my mum doesn’t do anything other than, like, Amazon and check her emails [laughs], but, my grandma rang me the other day, and she was like, “Hey Dan! I really liked your airport video!” And I was like, “…What? You…er, you what?” And she was like, “Oh yes, I’m totally very annoyed when this happens. Also your cinema video.” And I was just like, “Okay. Whoa. My grandma knows how to— what?” So yeah. That was funny. Apparently my grandma likes my videos. But no, not my parents.

I'm not sure where the rumours of him being on bad terms with his family originated but I first came across them on a certain blog that likes to pretend they have insider info. Maybe it's been circulating before that, not sure, but if it was indeed them first spreading it around I'd be very careful with it.

I don't know what blog you're talking about, but there is a long documented history of Dan saying not-so-favorable things about his parents in videos, liveshows, tweets, etc.: things that point to them having a strained relationship, things about him not enjoying going to visit them for Christmas, things about them being unsupportive, etc. Here is a selection (sorry I can’t be bothered to link everything but if you want links for something in particular feel free to pm me):

9 October 2009
Twitter

• my little brother spilt milk on the carpet this morning.. my mum is going to CRUCIFY him when he gets home from school >__< haha.

28 October 2009
Twitter

• LOL i left massive yoghurty hand prints all over the glass doors! i better go clean it before my dad wakes up and crucifies me

3 November 2009
Twitter

• just had a biblical-scale arguement with the father.
  pah, ill find sanctuary on the internet.

18 December 2012

At 59:13

• “But yeah oh god I can't wait to go home and have no internet! Like, on one hand, going home for Christmas is a good thing, 'cause...food. Basically food, full stop. Doing nothing and being fed. That is what family is all about. But they have the worst wifi ever. And literally, I would visit my family more if their wifi wasn't so crap. So. [laughs]”

24 December 2012

At 0:08

• Phil: So it’s Christmas tomorrow! Ahhh!
  Dan: [unenthusiastically] Ahhh.
  Phil: Are you excited?
  Dan: For food.
  Phil: Food?
  Dan: Food.
  Phil: What about family, Dan?
  Dan: Food.
  Phil: Goodwill to all men?
  Dan: Foooooood.

28 December 2012
Tumblr

• hi. so as I am at home spending quality time with my family before I ignore them for another year, there will not be a video tonight!

12 November 2013

At 44:20

• Speaking of Lorde…I found this article on Lorde that someone wrote…[rambles a bit]…But she had like the best childhood, seriously. It’s like…I think like her dad is an engineer or something like that and then her mum is a poet, and they live in a nice house where they…like, her dad sung to her every night and her mum read her books, and then, they made her read loads of books and she read thousands of books, and then they all wrote songs together and had a really artistic and beautiful childhood. And I just think, like, so much of life is about, um, your childhood and, like, your parents. ‘Cause, like, a parent could make someone, like, amazing by the time they’re eighteen. So, like, Lorde had this amazing— […] just had, like, the best childhood. And I was like, I’m so happy for you, that you were given this childhood, and then that made, like, your life this great. And it’s like…it’s like Jack and Finn. They had a really nice family, and they have a dad with a really cool job. Whereas it’s like, I feel gypped. Like, my parents didn’t give a fuck. (laughs) They just like…me and like everyone, I was just, like, shoved through education, and then I got to — it was the entire reason, like the entire story of the last four years of my life, and that quarter-life crisis trilogy. It’s just — no one prepared me for life. They just kind of — I just kind of existed until I was seventeen and then expected to know what I was doing. And then obviously we know the story: I was like “uhhh…uhhh, okay, guess I’m doing law at university, oh wait I hate this, okay, mental breakdown.” (laughs) So, so, high five to everybody who wasn’t adequately prepared for life by their parents. Geez, guys. I feel like you shouldn’t have kids unless you’re prepared to make…to nurture their lives. You know what I mean? It’s like, “Oh, two-year-old girl, I see that you like drawing. Well, I’m gonna let you do loads of drawing, because you clearly like it.” You know what I mean? Whereas most kids, it’s like, “Oh okay, I guess that you’re drawing but I’m just gonna put the TV on, and then I’ll just leave you. I’ll just do parenting in auto-pilot.”

16 June 2014
[regarding the Oreo lick race video]

2 May 2015

At 9:17

• Dan: I am loving all of these encouraging pop-ups.
  Phil: I know, right?
  Dan: If only my parents were as supportive.

6 July 2015

At 2:50 -

• “You are actually kind of smart, despite NO ONE telling you that. Your parents have no idea what’s happening in school and your poor, underpaid, verbally-abused public school teachers are too busy having mental breakdowns to notice anyone’s potential.”

At 3:38 -

• “Actually talk to someone about your feelings. Because your parents always seem busy and you think that none of your friends like you, you never tell people how you’re feeling. You just bottle it all up inside and accept it. And that isn’t good. Even though you don’t think it will work and you don’t want to, just try talking to a family member, or a friend, or even a teacher, about the things that make you sad, because that is the first step to solving your problems, and it is something that you will spend far too long learning how to do.”

4 August 2015
Tumblr reblog: "'They're your family you have to love them' - NO."

• 
  http://danisnotonfire.tumblr.com/post/1 ... ve-to-love

8 October 2015

In TABINOF, when he describes his breakdown in the dairy aisle at university, he says:

• “I had that mini internal breakdown 99% of new students have so I considered hiding by the fancy cheese and crying down the phone to my grandma, but I remembered she’d probably be at her Sudoku club at that time. No consolation for me.”

So, since his grandma is busy, there’s no consolation for him? He doesn’t even consider calling his parents?

There's also the beginning of the dedication to TABINOF:

• Phil: I dedicate this to Mum, Dad and Martyn (the best family ever). And thank you to anyone who has ever enjoyed one of my videos! This is for all of you! (^_^)
  Dan: I dedicate this book to myself because I wrote it.

19 October 2015

At 59:20

• Dan: Our book went to #1!
  Phil: Yay!
  Dan: In the UK book charts! Thanks!
  Phil: That was cool.
  Dan: We appreciate your support.
  Phil: My mum was like—
  Dan: Actually.
  Phil: —“You’re in the paper! I can see it!” So yes.
  Dan: It’s one of those things that…suddenly parents care.

24 December 2015

17 January 2016

At 13:55

• Toriel: There was an important reason for this exercise…to test your independence.
  Dan: Wow. Better than my parents, to be honest.
  Phil: Yeah.
  Toriel: I must attend to some business—
  Dan: That’s shady.
  Toriel: —and you must stay alone for a while.
  Dan: Also like my parents.

25 July 2016
YouTube: Dan's Diss Track - ROAST YOURSELF CHALLENGE (1:01)

• “your family's sad you flopped your law degree at university”

16 October 2016
Tumblr reblog: "My parents don't love me"

• 
  http://danisnotonfire.tumblr.com/post/151892282183

1 November 2016

At 51:54

• “As I’ve said before, Final Fantasy XV and Pokemon Sun and Moon are coming out at the same time. What? Why would you do that to me? Sort it out. Give me some time in between. What would be perfect is Pokemon in December so you— so I could go home to my family’s house and play Pokemon on the couch instead of talking to them, when you needed like a portable game, and then New Year, when you come back for like the January coma, like that weird void between December and— that’s when you need a hundred-hour RPG.”

[trashqueen]

I wish I didn't relate to this so much. It's too early in the day for these feels.
Rationally I know that my own experience affect how I tend to interpret some of the things Dan has said about his family, and that realistically I know nothing about their actual relationship. It is hard not to wonder, though, even if it's just sympathetically.

Aww I'm sorry I invoked the feels too early in the morning

I spoke from my own experience, I guess it's comforting to know you're not alone and that someone, somewhere has gone through the same thing and knows how it feels



What I said in my post isn't that it's what happened to Dan. I just mean that what other people see/what we can assume, outside of the family household, is not necessarily what Dan experienced. And that can often lead to assumptions on both sides of the spectrum. For the happy/random stories he's shared, he has also shared some sad stories or expressed sadness in some aspects. I'm not insinuating Dan was abused in any way, I can't make that assumption. I just go by what he decides to share.

@sentinel yeah I have exactly the same parents and family. So I knew that feeling all too well, of 5 year old Dan crying because of something he didn't do

count me in on the 'complicated families' squad

i also see dan's relationship with his family that way, but it's obviously because of my personal experience, in the same way that i'm sure people with supportive and close families feel inclined to see the 'good' in dan's anecdotes more than me and that's equally as valid

but oh boy do i relate to dan hiding things from his family and seeing them only when it's expected of him

it is definitely and interesting topic to discuss tho, even though it's pretty much all speculation bc families are so complex

it was already briefly mentioned but one thing that really made me go 'oh, shit' out loud when it happened was dan going 'you write a best selling book and suddenly parents care' on that liveshow, like dude, that was harsh, i can't see someone with a fine and dandy relationship with their parents saying that, even as a joke

re: emma blackery, i won't believe that's her until i see some other better quality picture of her outfit or something because what the hell, forget deppy touching and flirting, this is what has me shook now, what's next? deppy chatting with evan edinger? going to visit charlie? lol

also oqua, you're amazing

[dollicious]

I'm not sure where the rumours of him being on bad terms with his family originated but I first came across them on a certain blog that likes to pretend they have insider info. Maybe it's been circulating before that, not sure, but if it was indeed them first spreading it around I'd be very careful with it.

it is not a baseless rumor of dan being on bad terms with his family it is speculation based off how he speaks about them/to them that some people infer they don’t have a great relationship.

I mean, we know he gets on very well with his grandmother and she still doesn't appear in any videos or anything, he doesn't mention her often. So him not mentioning his parents often doesn't really mean anything. I think he just likes to keep his family away from Youtube and his fans which is probably a wise decision.

you say we know that he has a good relationship with his grandmother even though he doesn’t speak about her much. this is because what he has mentioned about her have all been positive things. his parents on the other hand, are also not spoken about much, but when they are it is usually with a different tone.

The thing with complicated parents is that to the public they seem pleasant and nice and you may visit them or spend time with them but only you or your friends know the horrible stuff they do in the privacy of their own home. Most people won't hear the horrible things they say to you, they won't see them hit you or they won't witness your heart break when they don't believe in you or they judge your decisions, but they will never show that. And you have to keep up this pretence of things being dandy and wonderful and maybe things aren't that bad during holidays because they try to keep a semblance of normalcy and for all the horrible shit they pull to you, they also do nice things and you can't cut them out of your life entirely.

So for however often Dan visits his family or goes back home, I'll take his negative opinions more personally than his trips. And I will validate his hurtful experiences more than thinking that he overreacts or actually had a "great" life that he just drama queens over.

i agree with this whole post and it is everything i wanted to say.
simply having some good memories or visiting for the holidays doesn’t equal a good relationship. obviously with the amount and type of audience he has, he wouldn’t want to say outright negative things about them (or anyone generally). when he does mention them with small anecdotes or vague mentions of resentment i don’t think it should be reduced to probably having an okay family life just because he doesn’t say it directly.

eta: oqua, thank you for all the examples & links!

[poweredbywords]

The thing with complicated parents is that to the public they seem pleasant and nice and you may visit them or spend time with them but only you or your friends know the horrible stuff they do in the privacy of their own home. Most people won't hear the horrible things they say to you, they won't see them hit you or they won't witness your heart break when they don't believe in you or they judge your decisions, but they will never show that. And you have to keep up this pretence of things being dandy and wonderful and maybe things aren't that bad during holidays because they try to keep a semblance of normalcy and for all the horrible shit they pull to you, they also do nice things and you can't cut them out of your life entirely.

So for however often Dan visits his family or goes back home, I'll take his negative opinions more personally than his trips. And I will validate his hurtful experiences more than thinking that he overreacts or actually had a "great" life that he just drama queens over.

I wish I didn't relate to this so much. It's too early in the day for these feels.
Rationally I know that my own experience affect how I tend to interpret some of the things Dan has said about his family, and that realistically I know nothing about their actual relationship. It is hard not to wonder, though, even if it's just sympathetically.

+1
i'm always hesitant to chime in during dan-family discussions because I project a bit. But I've always believed a person's true feelings seep out in the details. When you're telling a story and filming yourself you're going to make your stories seem nice/happy/safe. It's off-handed comments that are more telling.

also oqua, you are literally magic with the sources. I find the blue-man group story a bit amusing because they ask for volunteers/participants beforehand, it's not actually random audience participation.

[Lain]

re: emma blackery, i won't believe that's her until i see some other better quality picture of her outfit or something because what the hell, forget deppy touching and flirting, this is what has me shook now, what's next? deppy chatting with evan edinger? going to visit charlie? lol

It's her:

Here's hoping something entertaining comes from this.

[sweetmm]

So Phil has joined Dan as seen on Caspers latest snapchat

Here it is!

I just love how in sync their legs are

[swofro]

Agree with whoever says that there's a lot we don't know and his parents might be not as bad as how people seems to believe.

I am saying this because I myself have a complicated relationship with my family (which I never tell anyone irl because I don't want to make anyone think they are bad people). And the way Dan seems protective over his family is exactly the way I am, I never talk about it to anyone and I only rants on anonymous blog on the internet where people don't know who my parents are, sometimes.

They are not bad, they are just generally emotionally absent, if that is the right word. Did they work hard to keep a roof on my head and make sure I don't starve? Yes. Were they supportive of my decisions in life? For most of it, yes. Were they disappointed that I drop out of uni? I guess so but I never heard it directly from them. Have they ever hug me when I cry? No, never, not even when I was as young as 6 years old. Have I ever blame them for a lot of things including as Dan said 'not adequately prepared me for real life'? Definitely. A lot of times. But do I love them with everything that I have? Absolutely. And they do love me back, in the way they know how and I've long learned to accept that and do the best as we can in this broken relationship

Again, his parents not accepting of his sexuality and hates Phil are speculations, right? Which might have come up from that one old tweet about Dan arguing with his dad who as Oqua writes in her fanfic, probably about his job but was blown out of proportion.

I don't think Dan hate his parents. There are probably bitterness left behind in his heart because of the way things turn out, and that feelings are valid. But I definitely don't think they hate each other.

[alittledizzy]

i'm always hesitant to chime in during dan-family discussions because I project a bit. But I've always believed a person's true feelings seep out in the details. When you're telling a story and filming yourself you're going to make your stories seem nice/happy/safe. It's off-handed comments that are more telling.

I think it's important to point out here that Dan is the opposite, though. Dan veers toward negativity in almost every situation. He makes good stories sound more bleak or depressing, because he's an unreliable narrator of his own life experience.

The best example of that I can think of is somewhat recent: the final radio show. It was supposed to be an hour of looking back on their years at radio 1. Dan focused almost solely on things that embarrassed him, things he wished he could have done differently, things that left a negative impression. Phil recalled those same moments with pride at what their younger selves had accomplished, not shame. Phil had the exact same experiences as Dan on Radio 1 but because Dan is someone who tends toward negativity while Phil has a more positive outlook their retrospectives couldn't have been more different.

I do think Dan's parents weren't great parents, or they weren't the kind of parents he needed (or feels like now, looking back, he needed). But I don't think I'd be willing to draw a conclusion that they were abusive or neglectful or even that they didn't try and his childhood was mostly sad just based on the fact that Dan tells bad/sad stories about them, when the truth is that Dan telling happy stories about anything is a rarity (unless it involves Phil). The way Dan's mind works is just geared towards emphasizing the negative. (And that makes me sad, too, but that's a whole different discussion.)

[oqua]

First I want to say, melon lord and sentinel, I agree with everything you've been saying.


And then, here are a few more random anecdotes about Dan's dad from the Radio Show that mermaidblood didn't mention:


His dad collects ceremonial weapons:

• Dan: On the subject of why people’s families are weird, I just— I thought of another one, Phil.
  Phil: Oh really?
  Dan: So, my dad, erm, for some reason likes to collect ceremonial weapons.
  Phil: [laughs]
  Dan: And, instead of building an— Instead of making a display cabinet for them, he decided he was gonna nail all of them to the wall in the hallway just in front of our front door, and hang some from the ceiling, so just in case anyone tried to burgle us, they’d think we’d be terrifying people that just like to collect axes and stuff like that.
  Phil: I think if I was visiting I’d be terrified by ceremonial weapons.
  Dan: [laughs] I— I mean I look back and I’m like, ‘As a five-year-old, was it safe to have a giant axe dangling…? Pff, yeah, it was fine.’”
  Phil: Probably not.
  Dan: They all had the efficiency of a spoon, but it was quite terrifying.

(source)

His dad gave him a Pikachu skateboard when he was 13:

• Dan: Have I— have I mentioned on the radio show that my dad gave me a Pikachu skateboard? As my first skateboard?
  Phil: No.
  Dan: He thought that because Pokémon was what was ‘down with the kids’ that when I was thirteen a Pikachu skateboard would make me look like a cool kid.
  Phil: Oh no!
  Dan: I kept it ironically.
  Phil: That’s good.

(source)

His grandad taught him to ride a bike instead of his dad:

• Phil: Do you remember learning to ride a bike?
  Dan: Erm… [laughs] yeah, my grandad taught me? I think my dad probably couldn't be bothered that day or something so he was like, “I don't need that childhood bonding experience with my son!” Er...my grandad can't see very well though; I remember he kind of just...err, it was the first time he took the training wheels off?
  Phil: Yeah.
  Dan: And he just pushed me down a hill?
  Phil: Oh no! [laughs]
  Dan: And then, I did the typical fall over, cut your knee open and cry for two hours, but my grandad's not really the emotive type, so I think I was looking for the sympathy—
  Phil: Yeah.
  Dan: —and he was just like, “Mm. Yeah, you kinda need to get better at that.”

(source)

Again, his parents not accepting of his sexuality and hates Phil are speculations, right?

Yes as far as I know these are both pure speculation; Dan has never said anything that implies either of these things. And just speaking personally, I don't believe they are true, just due to the general vibe I get and offhanded things like his dad wanting Frodo and Sam to kiss at the end of LOTR and the fact that Phil has visited Dan's parents and never expressed any ill-will toward them, idk.

[MoonPride]

Reading all those comments from Dan about his parents made me feel really sad.

[DryCereal]

Well aware that I'm building a sandcastle in the face of an oncoming tide here, but I'm not one for speculating on people who don't choose to be in the public eye, who I know next to nothing about, and certainly won't be passing it off as quasi-fact based on very little evidence.

It's not as if we don't have content to discuss...

[swofro]

[MoonPride]

What is this about an account on twitter and tumblr hacking Dans paypal account.
http://www.dansicloud.tumblr.com
Seriously leave the boy alone.

[bantstrash]

I envy anyone who has an uncomplicated relationship with their parents. I would say the majority of people have some sort of mixed feelings.

[Kathrynxjane]

What is this about an account on twitter and tumblr hacking Dans paypal account.
http://www.dansicloud.tumblr.com
Seriously leave the boy alone.

Ugh.
"We aren't doing it to be malicious. We are doing it just because we can"

We all can do a lot of things because we can but we don't because we have morals. People like this just make me sick with the world. Don't they have better things to do....

[sentinel]

Oqua, you slay me every time with the sources lmao.

It's interesting how he views his grandma compared to his parents and only specifically his grandma. She is the one he wants to call when he needs support, she is the only one to film him as a child and send him the videos, she is the only one to express interest in his interests and experiences, "grandma's last adventure" which he went to with his parents (isn't this the first and the last vacation he took with his family since Sicily?). It seems like she is his only emotional tie to the family.

[Birdie]

oqua: Wow, you truly are amazing keeping track of all this. I hadn't seen most of these and some really do challenge my perspective on this. It's great to have people like you who keep track and can provide more complete information on topics like this.

it is not a baseless rumor of dan being on bad terms with his family it is speculation based off how he speaks about them/to them that some people infer they don’t have a great relationship

Yes, it's speculation. But I've seen people on Tumblr outright say Dan has a horrid relationship with his parents like it's a fact and I never was quite sure why they thought they knew this and if I maybe missed something. If it's based on speculation that explains a lot, I just thought it might be a rumour started by a fanblog but it apparently isn't. I think we can agree that we don't know the facts but Dan is hinting at a more complicated relationship with his parents and of course it's going to make people speculate. Maybe he'll tell us more about it one day. We'll see.

Edit:

Well aware that I'm building a sandcastle in the face of an oncoming tide here, but I'm not one for speculating on people who don't choose to be in the public eye, who I know next to nothing about, and certainly won't be passing it off as quasi-fact based on very little evidence.

It's not as if we don't have content to discuss...

I actually agree with you here. I'm a bit of a hypocrite because I keep speculating myself even when I tell myself not to but you're right. I get why people speculate though. He keeps hinting at things and then people want to know. Not saying it's his fault or anything, it's his right to keep things private of course. But I get why people want to know. I think as long as we keep in mind that we don't really know anything and are just speculating and don't bother him with it (as in asking him about it and stuff) it should be fine.

[malday]

that blog is attention whoring.

[MoonPride]

What is this about an account on twitter and tumblr hacking Dans paypal account.
http://www.dansicloud.tumblr.com
Seriously leave the boy alone.

Ugh.
"We aren't doing it to be malicious. We are doing it just because we can"

We all can do a lot of things because we can but we don't because we have morals. People like this just make me sick with the world. Don't they have better things to do....

I hope Dan changes his password or something, this is the kind of shit that makes him mad and we all feel the brunt of it. Why do these idiots always pick on him.

[hannah]

What is this about an account on twitter and tumblr hacking Dans paypal account.
http://www.dansicloud.tumblr.com
Seriously leave the boy alone.

Whether its real or not, they're doing this all for attention. its ridiculous.
Apparently this is all caused by their bitterness towards the phandom and how frustrated they are by "people idolizing dan and phil when they dont deserve it." It's not even anything about what deppy might have done to them personally, AKA nothing, its about anger towards their fans. A load of bullshit. I personally believe it'd be best to just ignore it. (although i rant about this to my friends on a day to day basis who am i to talk lmao)

[sentinel]

that blog is attention whoring.

Dan looks plastic

[Diyes_Celine]

I really find discussions about Dan's family facinating coz it feels like people are projecting. We are all just speculating based from Dan's anecdotes. But as alittledizzy mentioned, Dan tends to share the negative side of his life so who knows . Also, I think if people are not projecting they tend to compare Dan's family relationship to Phil's "perfect" family. It's difficult to look like a normal family if the benchmark is Phil's family.

For me, the number of times Dan visits his family in a year shows how uninterested he is to interact with his family more than anything. Isn't London closer to Reading compared to IoM?

Emma: UGH! I hate it when she is in close proximity to Deppy. She will find an excuse to bring up how she was snobbed by Deppy. Gawd!