Dan & Phil Part 37: A better way to live

[pastelspectre]

am i the only one besides like one other person that thinks dan and phil genuinely enjoy the gaming channel? i really do think they enjoy it, and although i'm disappointed they'll be playing games that get lots of views and maybe not games they enjoy, i can understand, they need the revenue. but i do think they enjoy the gaming channel nonetheless. it's..hard to fake such enthusiasm like that in my opinion i guess?

edit: oh no top of the page :c

[flurry]

Ah I feel like I watch Dan's liveshows just to have some chatter in the background while I do readings but honestly I didn't really enjoy the last one at all. Someone just mentioned here about his condescension and I totally felt that way - maybe I'm just not his target audience. I felt the same way with the whole piano thing - I can't play the piano but hey I could tell he had a few wrong notes there - that doesn't completely negate the whole piano playing like he thinks it did though. I also felt the way he scorned (not sure if it's too harsh a word here) the audience for blindly praising him despite his mistakes was not warranted at all - they like him and they want to encourage him - what's the point in someone typing into the chat "your piano playing was crap"; if they did he would pick that up straightaway and also never play piano again. It seems like the audience just can't win with Dan. The condescension came through in the whole "Internet drama" vs Trump thing? I can understand that of course global politics is important, but to some kid in school watching youtubers, their outlook just isn't so broad yet and they are occupied with homework and Internet drama and that's totally okay - they have time to grow up and become concerned with larger issues anyway. And the next thing was also the way he kind of said Truth or Dare isn't the quality video he would like to put out (vs the sort of expectations the viewers have which might imply non-quality content) - I appreciate the care and (over)thinking he puts into his channel but hey this is coming from someone who has put out numerous ISGs too??

I don't mean to hate on Dan but these are just my little thoughts and maybe his liveshows are really not for me. I enjoy Phil's so much because they're so calm and relaxed and it's really like a podcast to put on when I'm reading other materials.

So yes sorry Dan - I still love him as a content producer and Youtuber though - just maybe not his Younow chats.

[flurry]

am i the only one besides like one other person that thinks dan and phil genuinely enjoy the gaming channel? i really do think they enjoy it, and although i'm disappointed they'll be playing games that get lots of views and maybe not games they enjoy, i can understand, they need the revenue. but i do think they enjoy the gaming channel nonetheless. it's..hard to fake such enthusiasm like that in my opinion i guess?

edit: oh no top of the page :c

I think Gamingmas renewed their interest in the channel - it was really flagging around spooky week. But I also kind of felt that they expected more from it - more views, more general interest etc - especially seeing how the big channels on YT are gaming oriented. Maybe it just didn't take the direction they originally thought it would but they're still fine with that as long as it generates revenue.

Speaking of which, I've never really understood the whole talk about Youtubers doing things for money. I mean, it is their job I surely would like to make money off my job too. As long as it doesn't exploit viewers in a monetary sense I think it's fine - afterall we are watching the videos for free and getting entertainment from it so to me it's great that they can make money from it too. I would think that practically, they would prioritise money over other things even viewer enjoyment. I am however also quite shocked at the whole Younow bars thing - wow that is quite intense. I've never watched their shows live except for once and I quitted in about 15min because there was no point between the laggy livestream and a bizarre chat - I watch them back on phanshows or tumblr. Seeing that people pay incredible amounts of money (wonderfullyrachel) just for a notice from them, I wonder if they feel anything about it.

[Truth_or_cliche]

I feel for Dan and his struggle with popularity vs authenticity, but I don't understand why it has to be either or for him (I see it with other youtubers too, so maybe there's something to it). Maybe I just don't get how YouTube works from the perspective of a creator, but I don't understand why he can't make videos that he knows will get loads of views but he doesn't enjoy making AND videos that he enjoys making but may not get as many views. Seems like the best option if you want to keep the cash and the creative juices flowing. Plus he has like 10,000 channels, he could easily pick one to keep all his creative stuff on and use a different one for his popular videos. I don't get where the conflict comes from. Why not do both?

Three channels (dinof, dini, dapg) is not 10,000 though? And I think the answer is that Dan is a chronic overthinker. He wants everything on dinof to be held to a certain standard for the certain kind of viewers he thinks that channel has. I don't really blame him, because I understand where he is coming from, but I think he should remember that his side channel can also be used for vloggy, casual little videos, like he's posted there before.

But he sees dini as the shitposting channel (even though he still overthinks what he puts there - think the pinof bloopers) and dinof as the channel that's been there since the beginning and must undergo a slow slow slow rebranding before it can be used for more 'real' stuff or what represents him now, because he doesn't want his audience to become people who say they missed 'the old Dan'.

And even when he posts something there that is a bit personal or pushing the boundary of usual content, he backtracks or ignores it in his liveshows (such as wtf is your sexuality). There does not yet seem to be an in between place to put creative videos that don't appeal to a larger audience. In his mind, anyway.

Or maybe he just does not want to make a lot of videos I hope this post makes sense lol.

Yeah it makes sense. I hope he can get out of his head enough or find a nice middle ground. He seems to be itching to do something different/creative so I hope he gets the chance.

[mio]

Not to make another post relating to my last post but I wonder if them getting less views on their more laid back domestic videos has to do with what we talked about earlier. Are people already starting to lose interest because the mystery of their relationship is slightly less mysterious? It could just be because the games they act more coupley in are less popular in general. Yeah I'm not even sure I agree with this post I'm just kind of theorizing tbh, but the topic is interesting to me

I find this topic interesting too and I have a theory.

I think it's a bit of a stretch to say that people aren't into their "coupley" vibes and that's why the laid-back videos from gamingmas like bubble bobble got less views. How should anybody know which kind of vibes they are going to give before clicking the video?

I looked at their videos sorted by popularity and the pattern I see is this:

The most popular ones are Sims, FNAF, (the original) Slender, Akinator, Mario Kart, Just Dance aka all very well known games that other youtubers have played and the least popular are spons and indie games like Timore inferno and Katamari (whelp my favorite videos from spooky week and gamingmas respectively )

They have a pretty large very loyal fanbase that will watch and rewatch anything they upload regardless, probably around quite few 100k people.
And the rest of the views are subscribers that only watch casually or fans of one of their individual channels who decide whether they find the game interesting enough to click (maybe because they've played it themselves or seen other people do it), BUT also a huge part is people who just stumble across their videos from searching popular terms like "slender". I guess that's why there is such a discrepancy in views (800k - 6M). The hardcore fandom that cares about stuff like a change in their behaviour probably doesn't even contribute that much to overall views.
It's the same reason why on any series on yt the first video will always have a lot more views than the following parts, it's the casual people who just randomly find the thing but opt out after a while for whatever reason. Even in a die-hard fandom like the phandom, where people watch and rewatch everything this is true for the Sims series.

It's a fact that Deppy have millions of followers, but in the grand scheme of youtube, which is a plattform being used by hundreds of millions every day... things like popular search terms/games, trends and algorithms influence these views much more than the actual tone of the video.

I just dont think you can read too much into view counts concerning little details like how much they touch during a video. Youtube is just too big and views are being influenced by so many parameters. I guess the reactions on twitter and tumblr (like how many gifs are being made and stuff) are more telling about the actual phandom's reaction.

And - regardless of all of this - I hope Dan and Phil will still continue playing these weird unknown or old games because they've always been my favorites and it feels like they are genuinely having fun with them! Shelter was such a nice series too ughh...

[lishachi]

talking about what they tag their videos with, kinda talking about views too, just some irrelevant, long, rambly stuff lol
[offtopic]

i noticed when i viewed the page source for dans video '2016 in memes' (was just having a look at what they tagged stuff with, it interests me) he listed things relevant to his video, like #memes and #furry (lol) then i looked at phils most recent one, '2017 wants me dead' and noticed he tagged things relevant like #fire and then #dan' and #danisnotonfire whereas dan didn't tag phils name? this has no relevance whatsoever and literally means nothing but it interested me that phil tagged dan as 'dan' and 'danisnotonfire', i know he mentioned him in his video, but so did dan with phil. does it mean that phils video would come up more often if people search 'dan and phil' rather than just like amazingphil? are tags important to the youtube search results, does this affect their video views? am i being stupid and dumb? (probably)

[/offtopic]

[corn flakes]

I can only speak for myself but gamingmas made me lose lots of interest in them, nowadays if I forget their ls and watch only their separate channels. The games they played in december were either not my taste or were boring and repetitive after a while, ex. yandere,the impossible quiz or undertale. As we were getting an unusual amount of videos I watched only some of the interesting ones towards the end.
For my taste dapg become filled with games they played for the audience ( again the impossible quiz) or because they were quick and easy (akinator), few that they seemed really to enjoy .

I don't know how are those big gaming channels but I think there are more series, that are completed in a decent amount of time, so while there might be a rise in their channel some of it is slowly gonna came.

Also while I still stan them I look more forwards when they do things outside of youtube, it's fascinating to me to see them grow from that point of view, instead right now I can't see a real direction in dapg, or more probably it's not the one for me.

[Amiaw]

am i the only one besides like one other person that thinks dan and phil genuinely enjoy the gaming channel? i really do think they enjoy it, and although i'm disappointed they'll be playing games that get lots of views and maybe not games they enjoy, i can understand, they need the revenue. but i do think they enjoy the gaming channel nonetheless. it's..hard to fake such enthusiasm like that in my opinion i guess?

edit: oh no top of the page :c

I think Gamingmas renewed their interest in the channel - it was really flagging around spooky week. But I also kind of felt that they expected more from it - more views, more general interest etc - especially seeing how the big channels on YT are gaming oriented. Maybe it just didn't take the direction they originally thought it would but they're still fine with that as long as it generates revenue.

Speaking of which, I've never really understood the whole talk about Youtubers doing things for money. I mean, it is their job I surely would like to make money off my job too. As long as it doesn't exploit viewers in a monetary sense I think it's fine - afterall we are watching the videos for free and getting entertainment from it so to me it's great that they can make money from it too. I would think that practically, they would prioritise money over other things even viewer enjoyment. I am however also quite shocked at the whole Younow bars thing - wow that is quite intense. I've never watched their shows live except for once and I quitted in about 15min because there was no point between the laggy livestream and a bizarre chat - I watch them back on phanshows or tumblr. Seeing that people pay incredible amounts of money (wonderfullyrachel) just for a notice from them, I wonder if they feel anything about it.

I personally think that right now they enjoy the gaming channel at least as much, if not more, then their personal channels. I definitely get the impression from them both that the gaming channel is going to be where a lot of their focus is this year - they've started talking about it more in main videos, they post community comments about it on their main, and in their recommended/subscribed channels the gaming channel is at the top.

Re Dan's comments about views- I understand them wanting views but I would really hope that they continue playing games they enjoy because for a channel with 2.5 (approx) million subscribers, their views are great. Especially when you look at Jacksepticeye and Markiplier's videos-they have millions more subscribers but for the most part their views aren't exponentially greater

Touching on monetization- the only thing that somewhat irritates me is the constant schilling of their merchandise. Phil is the biggest offender here- does it in his live shows, on his twitter, and in pretty much every video- and it's probably because Martyn runs the shop but It feels like they are treating fans like cash machines in those instances.

(Oh and he also did this on his twitter with his aunts knitted caps- she sold out of the
To phandom members and while they were cute I doubt she would have sold so many $60 hats without him)

[lefthandedism]

Touching on monetization- the only thing that somewhat irritates me is the constant schilling of their merchandise. Phil is the biggest offender here- does it in his live shows, on his twitter, and in pretty much every video- and it's probably because Martyn runs the shop but It feels like they are treating fans like cash machines in those instances.

(Oh and he also did this on his twitter with his aunts knitted caps- she sold out of the
To phandom members and while they were cute I doubt she would have sold so many $60 hats without him)

While I agree that Phil floggs DnP merch annoyingly much, I didn't mind his mentioning his aunt's hats once. Imho, giving her a boost was the best kind of nepotism (literally, in this case! ).

[SquishPhan]

"This is just a fake apartment that he uses to film in when he’s not spending time with his real family."

So Dan is Phil's real family.

That was my thought as well.

About the gaming channel: I also believe that they like or are at least interested in their gaming channel. Phil maybe more than Dan, but I do feel that both have been pushing their gaming channel on us recently.
Also it is time for me to confess that I didn’t care about the Shelter vids and am happy that there won’t be another series. It has nothing to do with it just being Phil; it is just that I don’t care for that game at all.

[confusedpanda]

The thing to me with the gaming channel is that it's not that they don't enjoy doing it, they really do, the problem is that, they sometimes can't seem to find games that meet the middle ground of them enjoying playing or the audience enjoying.
What I think everyone agrees on is that no one (if they are it's not many) is asking them to play flash games, badly made mod games or apps. They're the ones choosing that, be it for the idea of more views or selected for sponsors or whatever else.
Seriously though, if you go though any suggestions people make for games on the gaming channel, it's ether console games, actually highly created PC games, or even board games. Some of the suggestions are for games that Dan and Phil would actually enjoy playing, maybe not all time in their free time but atleast on the channel. And most of those games would actually make higher view counts than the ones they are playing now.

That being said, I'm glad they did ask the fans for game suggestions. It'll probably help find that middle ground in the long run. Although, I wouldn't expect them to do another big let's play like undetale again as it sounds pretty unlikely they will, judging from the post about suggesting games.
This whole thing is a jumbled mess and is probably saying everything that everyone has said before, but I've been thinking about this a lot.

[papierklemmen]

i'm on the side of those who don't see deppy's genuine enthusiasm in their gaming channel. what i see is an enthusiasm to pop out quick and easy videos which don't require much prepararation and can get casual views from being searched or suggested, so then can sigh in relief and live another day without having to work on their individual content. nothing bad about that, but i feel like it can be an obstacle for their individual channels, because why think of an idea, write and script, act out a sketch, when you can just sceengrab a 475th sims video?

and the fact that dan apparently seeks male adult "professional filmmaker" validation is making me lol. if that's really the reason why he procrastinates then, like, mate, you just spent 2 years on a kindergartener oriented book/stage show and left your channel barren, wot's your deal...

[000dia000]

and the fact that dan apparently seeks male adult "professional filmmaker" validation is making me lol. if that's really the reason why he procrastinates then, like, mate, you just spent 2 years on a kindergartener oriented book/stage show and left your channel barren, wot's your deal...

Yeah, I noticed that when Dan mentions YouTubers now, it's mostly more popular male ones from reddit like FilthyFrank, pewdiepie or Filthy Frank. This is kind of my own opinion, but I think Dan has always resented the fact that he doesn't have the sort of "manly audience" that gets the sort of widespread attention those youtubers get, while he is kind of stuck in a tumblr bubble with a largely female audience, and THIS was said in an old video of his where he expressed insecurity about his the percentage of males being only 20 percent back in 2009, who knows what it might be now. Also, it's not as if these other youtubers are doing anything particularly impressive other's may differ in opinion but I think it kind of boils down to anything vlogger or female related being demeaned a lot and those sort of attitudes are projected onto Dan who's insecure about the reputation his videos have. I kind of want to give him a kick, because many people have enjoyed his book and liveshow, and those who look down on him/phil/phandom because of it, are hardly watching exactly any intelligent content (usually just the sort of anti-pc shit that makes them think themselves intelligent). And outside of YouTube anything to do with the internet is looked down upon, so there's no winning, really.

[papierklemmen]

Also, it's not as if these other youtubers are doing anything particularly impressive other's may differ in opinion but I think it kind of boils down to anything vlogger or female related being demeaned a lot and those sort of attitudes are projected onto Dan who's insecure about the reputation his videos have.

yep. even in 2017 a 12 y/o 4chan fuckboi fanbase is apparently more sought-after than a dedicated female one.
it makes me think of olly alexander's (years & years) twitter note which i to.

[000dia000]

Also, it's not as if these other youtubers are doing anything particularly impressive other's may differ in opinion but I think it kind of boils down to anything vlogger or female related being demeaned a lot and those sort of attitudes are projected onto Dan who's insecure about the reputation his videos have.

yep. even in 2017 a 12 y/o 4chan fuckboi fanbase is apparently more sought-after than a dedicated female one.
it makes me think of olly alexander's (years & years) twitter note which i to.

yeah, I think Dan kind of suffers from the fear a bit, of not having a lot of male fans, in his liveshow yesterday he made a comment saying that the casual fans (male ones, usually) didn't like things like the makeup charity video he did with phil, and as dan made an example comment of someone making this complaint, he used a male name. That kind of stood out for me, in that he may feel insecure in that he isn't attracting a male fanbase, which is often considered more "serious" or "desirable" like your comment says, nothing annoys me more than when people make fun of what teenage girls like. (I used to do it when I was a teenage girl myself I still am but then I realized what a load of shit I was and moved past it and now I really dont care what fanbase something has, as long as it is good.)

But I think Dan feels this insecurity, while the other "serious" (hHAHAHAHAHHAHA) YouTubers are dominant on reddit, the ol' "serious" website of the internet (im kind of shitting on reddit here with it's ego, even though I like reddit), while he dominates Tumblr, the platform that consists of mostly women, and teenage girls at that (or at least what is in internet culture and attitudes). And the thing is with Dan, while at times he seems so appreciative of people and his fans and everything he has, there's some sort of niggling demon inside of him where these insecurities kind of take this all away from him and he becomes kind of snarky, condescending, if even a little rude towards his audience at times. I think certain things like having a "serious" audience may be only a subconscious thing, he can't help, but something he can't quite shake.

EDIT: also, Phil never really seemed to care about what age/gender his audience was? Not anything I've seen of them, he just liked an audience that seemed nice and would ever really remark on their kindness rather than any other aspect. Has he ever made any remarks about insecurities about having a "serious" audience or is Phil being mysterious and we'll never know what he bitches about in secret what Dan bitches about to his audience.

[Truth_or_cliche]

Since we're on the subject, idk if any of you listen to podcasts but Stuff You Should Know has an episode that kind of talks about how society devalues things that women and girls like. It's the one titled Vocal Fry and Other Speech Trends (it was released Oct 22nd, 2015 if you want to find it and listen to it). What's interesting is that they point out how after mocking things that girls (especially teenage girls) like, after a while most people, even middle aged men, tend to adopt the trend. So teenage girls are the real trendsetters of society. It's kind of interesting.

[lishachi]

[SquishPhan]

This was so cute. Toddler Dab is adorable, and I love how excited were over it all.

Also the end bubble for Dan is: danisnotpottytrained.

[000dia000]

Okay, useless comment but I loved that video, fight me

[Catallena]

I just don't think they enjoy playing games on camera at all but only realized that when it was already too late. They want to keep the games they're genuinely interested in and want to play for themselves, immerse themselves without having to be entertaining. Fair enough, but abandon the concept of a gaming channel then and make it a regular collab channel where y'all can post all the 'silly' collab videos that aren't scripted and just fun to film, giving the audience what they want without having to stress about being a gaming channel. It will hardly matter at this point.

Gamingmas was great, but I can't see the enthusiasm and motivation they had during it lasting. I fear like it's gonna be like the launch of DAPG all over again, fizzling out after a while. I genuinely hope I'm wrong and that now they have the opportunity to focus on the channel instead of books and tours, but I am forever a skeptic. I don't quite agree with my friend saying that 2017 will be DAPG's swan song and DAPG is still my fave thing they do rn, but I have very little hope for the future of that channel.

I feel for Dan and his struggle with popularity vs authenticity, but I don't understand why it has to be either or for him (I see it with other youtubers too, so maybe there's something to it). Maybe I just don't get how YouTube works from the perspective of a creator, but I don't understand why he can't make videos that he knows will get loads of views but he doesn't enjoy making AND videos that he enjoys making but may not get as many views. Seems like the best option if you want to keep the cash and the creative juices flowing. Plus he has like 10,000 channels, he could easily pick one to keep all his creative stuff on and use a different one for his popular videos. I don't get where the conflict comes from. Why not do both?

Three channels (dinof, dini, dapg) is not 10,000 though? And I think the answer is that Dan is a chronic overthinker. He wants everything on dinof to be held to a certain standard for the certain kind of viewers he thinks that channel has. I don't really blame him, because I understand where he is coming from, but I think he should remember that his side channel can also be used for vloggy, casual little videos, like he's posted there before.

But he sees dini as the shitposting channel (even though he still overthinks what he puts there - think the pinof bloopers) and dinof as the channel that's been there since the beginning and must undergo a slow slow slow rebranding before it can be used for more 'real' stuff or what represents him now, because he doesn't want his audience to become people who say they missed 'the old Dan'.

And even when he posts something there that is a bit personal or pushing the boundary of usual content, he backtracks or ignores it in his liveshows (such as wtf is your sexuality). There does not yet seem to be an in between place to put creative videos that don't appeal to a larger audience. In his mind, anyway.

Or maybe he just does not want to make a lot of videos I hope this post makes sense lol.

I just don't understand his 'creative/quality standard' for DINOF. It's such bullshit. He basically just admitted that for DAPG views and money is an important enough factor to sacrifice quality, authenticity and originality for. You gotta pay dat future mortgage on your house with glass walls and koi pond, I get that but.. has he really fooled himself into think DINOF isn't the same? I sat through half an hour of him overreacting to memes he had already seen before last week and it seemed like the only reason he wanted to make the video was because the previous one had so many views. Same goes for ISG. If those are genuinely ~more worthy~ videos he wants to make, maybe his problem isn't just overthinking stuff. It's taking himself a little too seriously.

I kinda wish they'd just turn DAPG into a regular collab channel. Neither of them really wants a gaming channel, they probably kinda regret it, aren't into it anymore, and most of their subscribers don't care about gaming anyway. They're just stressing themselves out over it, forcing themselves to play games they give fuck all about because they want to keep games they genuinely love for themselves. Just put everything that is a Phan collab (except PINOF because that does belong on AP) on that channel with gaming stuff because just one of the things they do. Whack all the baking videos, DITL's, other collab videos on there so the main channels (especially Phil's) can breathe again and let their own brands flourish and develop. My friend predicts DAPG will only last another year and then they'll just quit it entirely.

I hate to say it, but I completely agree with most of this. DAPG stopped being a gaming channel the minute they realized they had something with Dil. I'm worn out on all the flash (or flash-esque) games and you can literally tell that they are too. I realize there's a level of faux-enthusiasm that every youtuber displays, but the gaming videos in particular just really reek of fake fun. It's why I'm always desperate to see them either play something they like, but more casually, or otherwise compete with each other in a 1v1 situation. They're less likely to BS a video that way.

I don't necessarily agree with your friend's timeline, but I definitely think that at this point, DAPG is just a cover for them to do consistent videos together - give the audience what they want. In which case, we might as well lose the games.

I have a totally different take on how they feel about the gaming channel. I actually think that's where most of their genuine enthusiasm is, for reasons just like gamingmas - it takes the pressure off of them to update their main channel regularly and gives them a sense of immediate accomplishment without so much of the associated stress. What they enjoy, in a genuine and stress free way, is making videos together. A video where the purpose is already inlaid in the format, that requires no scripting or camera angles, that just requires them to sit side by side and interact while looking at a screen and reacting to something - I think that is the most enjoyable thing about being on youtube to both of them right now. With the gaming channel they can actually put out content on a regular basis, giving them the feeling of being productive youtubers, and not hate/procrastinate the process of doing it because they're working together and don't have to come up with ideas beyond the title of a game.

(Though yes, maybe they're not in love with the actual games themselves but I don't get any sense of imminent end to DAPG. I'd be less surprised to see Dan give up dinof totally, but that is the actual cash cow.)

But.. they're constantly constantly making a conscious effort to be as entertaining as possible?? It's literally the reason they don't play games they like on the gaming channel. I don't doubt they enjoy making videos together, relaxing, and making some jokes about stuff while playing, but that's not what happens. What you're describing is what D&P thought it would be like. 'We play games all the time, we just need to turn on the camera now' they said. Only realizing a few weeks after launch that that isn't quite how a gaming channel works. I don't think they see it as a relaxing form of video making at all, just more pressure to perform at the game and entertainment. And with Dan being an overthinker who puts too much value on the things he puts out, the concept they were initially going for never would've worked anyway.

DINOF is indeed a cash cow, just as much as DAPG is, but Dan isn't willing to admit that. He'd rather throw DAPG under the bus, but he wants us to view his own as his creative outlet with a high quality standard. K bro. Keep telling yourself that I guess, may 2017 be the year you finally do that. On the other end of the spectrum we have Phil who doesn't raise any expectations or standards for AP, but also puts very little effort into his format and shows little interest in changing at all.

Anyway, hopping back in the trash and gonna watch the new video now. I'm so glad that the toddler update came out when it did, I've been excited for this

[Artdefines06]

This video was everything I dream of and love about the sims series. the squeeing, the random stuff the sims do when not paid attention to for four seconds, Dan refusing to stop buying adorable toddler furniture, phil singing about everything. I was very happy. this will be one I rewatch on sad days.

i wonder how long they will keep dils outfit...its awful, but it's not like it matters in universe.

[papierklemmen]

ugh, the video was fun, but goddamn do i hate baby stuff and deppy's fake oohing and ahhing... call me when dab is a teenager.

[000dia000]

ugh, the video was fun, but goddamn do i hate baby stuff and deppy's fake oohing and ahhing... call me when dab is a teenager.

i haven't really enjoyed the sims series that much, but I just love this toddler pack

[Amiaw]

The video was very cute- lots of sassy Phil and squeeing Dan.
I'm not usually a "love eyes Lester" believer but I could swear it was out in full force this video- also loved the cute punch moment at the end.

Interesting statement from Phil after Dan said the baby would be taken away in 2 episodes- he said it would be a metaphor. What do you think he meant by that?

[papierklemmen]

ugh, the video was fun, but goddamn do i hate baby stuff and deppy's fake oohing and ahhing... call me when dab is a teenager.

i haven't really enjoyed the sims series that much, but I just love this toddler pack

toddlers have always been my least favourite part of the sims... i'd always age them up so i don't have to deal with their shit (literally and figuratively).

that said, the outift that they chose for dil was on point.