Dan & Phil Part 76: i can't i don't have legs

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just got back from work and im loving the current discussion but im pretty much tired still so i dont think my processing power isnt as good......STILL! i wanna contribute
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i want to start by saying that mental illness CAN be in a spectrum. whether you are properly diagnosed or has an inkling as to what your inner psyche is, everyone experiences it differently. dan, and more recently phil, has been opening up about their struggles about depression and anxiety - and while i do believe that both of them have some skill in public speaking, i find that their comfort and skill levels are a bit different. that said, we can interpret dan and phil as this or that, but they also have bad days and good days just like any other person...sometimes, no matter how good youre coping, you can slip up. and thats ok.

dan definitely has the quick on his feet and assertive "professional" persona when it comes to dealing with people outside his comfort zone - or as you guys called it, his "on" persona. anyone who has worked in customer service or social/community service type jobs knows that its not just a fake persona that you put on, its still you but just a tad bit "friendly" and "personable". so whenever dan steps on the stage for a show or sits in front of the camera, he is fully aware of his purpose to entertain the audience. he is allowing himself to be more approachable but still has that invisible wall around him that says "please dont step any closer", which is totally dependent on his comfort zone.

phil on the other hand, seems to take a more hospitable rather than professional approach. he reminds me of my mom whenever we have guests: hovers around just in case they need something and is constantly worrying about the little things (compare this to the gas leak incident - meanwhile, dan just hid in his room, dan is me). also, he always has funny anecdotes and icebreaker games ready on any occasion. this is just me backseat psychoanalyzing but i wonder if this is his way of coping with his social anxiety - compensate the fear by actively choosing to please the other party and hopefully leave a good impression.

now heres the fun part, its easy to just look at them individually but thats not always the case. part of the reason why i love joint liveshows is because:
  1. they fill in each others gaps
  2. they are each others comfort blanket, hence a more relaxed atmosphere
  3. yeah, yeah, ill admit it. i just like seeing the two of them together and feeding my demon brain once in a while but shush thats not my point
someone will say too much and the other will be there to ground them back to the current topic. if the chat is being naughty, they could simply start a new conversation about a different topic instead of awkwardly staring into the chat or the room, trying to ignore it and think of a new topic. (although, recently thats not really much of a problem anymore since theyve started to open up, people have become less likely to bother them about private stuff)

and then theres the meet and greets. honestly, theres so many examples of them covering for each other. theres that book signing where a dad yelled at them and dan quickly responded with a professional approach , while phil was fully on deer-on-headlights mode. then theres that m&g where a fan asked them to hug each other for a picture, phil was aware of dans comfort level towards these things hence he made sure to check him if its alright first.

anyways, im pretty sure everyone else had said most of the good points already but yeah man, i like them individually but both of them together is just perfect :happytears:

ALSO, saw the new content before i publish this post and: EXCUSE ME, WHAT THE FUCK DANIEL :love1: :love1: :love1:
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DAN REALLY GONNA MAKE ME BE FULLY GAY ON MAIN HUH IS HE NOW HUH
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damn. :shock:
so uh
phil's a lucky guy.

also has he finally gotten aquainted with chapstick bc his lips look nice
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Phantasy wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 4:32 am :shock: :shock: :shock:
No...no no no...STOP...DANNY!!!
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i feel like any inner compass i may have had about what to expect from them is broken. is it shocking that dan makes jokes (statements???) about getting dicked down now? do we just go oh dan? do we wait for the next selfie? should we expect more selfies with other sly references to dan and dicks? i'm so sleepy and they've done such a number on our expectations that i'm simultaneously like omg??? and ah yes, another normal friday morning
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wow

dan's hot! but what's with the fear of showing his nipples
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dan's getting that d vitamin and feels the need to fuckboi it up to tell everyone. tbh i'm so here for it and good for him. (now i just want a series of coupley pictures)
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Glad to see that Dan’s full sunlight selfie skills have improved since the pinof 9 “just caught me resting my hand” pic :thumb:

Also..... wow. Normally I’m a hardcore Phillie but this... :shock:
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I did not need to wake up for work at 6am and have that be the first thing I saw.

Damn Daniel, let a girl wake up a little first at least.

No comment on the caption. I’m not awake enough to either analyse or be sassy.

Also, more of this please.
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hello yes just here with an unmirrored version. it's actually kind of prettier mirrored? but it confuses my brain so here we go.

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Can't wait for the phanartists to fill in the cropped out part, Phil snuggled behind him or other demon thoughts :twisted: :ASs:

TL;DR: It's too early for this kind of photo.
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i literally cried 'oh fuck' out loud
what a man, i love him.
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I just woke up wow Dan thanks for the speedy awakening. He looks so good in this picture and I love that he had the confidence to post it.
Can we pls get a tanning power couple selfie? It sorta worked the last time I requested this. Please eee
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Well hello. I couldn't ask for anything better to wake up to (except a video maybe, I would love a gaming video soon but no pressure boys enjoy that (vitamin) D!). :stan:
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Well then Dan, show off that confidence boy. He's really fucking pretty, though I can't with the fuckboi teasing dick appointment pose. We get it :mrgreen:

He's beautiful, obviously, but my Phillie ass is crying because we'll never get one of Phil like that

I really love that they seem to be enjoying themselves, good on you boys, you deserve it <3
Will probably never be over the BONCAS and the beauty of Phil Lester.

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Last comment on mental health and d&p, I disagree with assigning them to be on the spectrum of anything or describe them as struggling with something unless they specifically put it in those words. Dan HAS opened up about depression, and has made some agoraphobia and social anxiety jokey comments, but Phil hasn't to my knowledge. He has said "I used to be very shy and now I'm more confident" and has described moments of feeling anxious or nervous, but not "I used to have very bad anxiety". Not every quirk someone describes about themselves is to be taken as a symptom. I know (hey I have some minor mental health issues myself) that it's very common and shouldn't be taken as an insult or whatever, but they can't be the poster boys for everything we'd like them to be. Dan has depression, and that's all we know for certain.

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That photo is beautiful (the colours! his pretty face!) and my protective side is relieved they're enjoying some days off and relaxing with the fam. They were looking pretty tired.

Read on tumblr that it's been confirmed the house again has only two bedrooms, like the Miami one? I would unironically love some phan agnostics or phan deniers to walk me through why this doesn't cement their couple status for once and for all, because... wow.
I mean, the need to preach the phan gospel is not keeping me up at night, but it's interesting.

Now a Phil photo, please? Or one of the group, why don't we have a fucking photo of the four of them?
Also, this would be ideal time to film a gaming video with martyn and cornelia, just saying.
eternal dan and phil mood -> :happytears:
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Waking up to that Dan pic sure was something. I'm so glad he feels confident enough those kind of pics, he's such a beautiful man. Although I wonder why he never shows his nips. Is it because he'd feel too exposed in a way? I am genuinely curious.
phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am Read on tumblr that it's been confirmed the house again has only two bedrooms, like the Miami one?
This fandom, istg. How do people even find out those things?? I am impressed. :respekt2:
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thealexeffect wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 8:48 am Waking up to that Dan pic sure was something. I'm so glad he feels confident enough those kind of pics, he's such a beautiful man. Although I wonder why he never shows his nips. Is it because he'd feel too exposed in a way? I am genuinely curious.
phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am Read on tumblr that it's been confirmed the house again has only two bedrooms, like the Miami one?
This fandom, istg. How do people even find out those things?? I am impressed. :respekt2:
I know, the phandom has next level MI6 bond james bond intelligence.
If any phans get on that Mueller probe before the year ends we're free of Trump lmao. Amazing.
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Body image speculation aside, I think they're mostly conscious to draw a distinct line with their young audience (tho not so young anymore :P ) and the world post youtube sex/abuse scandals, so with any public posts they -mainly Dan- allow themselves to be suggestive but not explicit, even if it's just a bare chest.
eternal dan and phil mood -> :happytears:
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*dannies found suddenly dropping dead all over the world*

he looks like such a fuckboi but i love it omg :fan: i can't decide if i like that unmirrored version better bc its flipped or just because its bigger so i can see it in better detail :lol:

also i agree about probs not showing nipples partially having to do with the younger audience, but also i can see some kind of distinction in dan's own head about how'd he'd be percieved -- like showing not showing nipple might be more tasteful i guess? and he doesn't want to be seen as ~that guy~ that takes shirtless selfies :shrug:

(ps i just realized how appropriate my signature is for this situation :lol: )
"He's the guy with his flesh on show. What a hoe.
That's. Our. Dan."
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(poor lizard)
loving this Phil tweet and reply, his nonchalant tone made me laugh a bit.
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I can’t... I don’t have eyes? No that’s a lie, I can’t look away. (the husband said it looked like he was getting the d, but not from sunbathing and that it was rude of him to post.) I’m very confused by the background. Have the flora alligned to make an angry bird?
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Wow. Dan's selfie sure is...... something. I wonder if i'm the only one who finds the "exposing" selfies from Dan uncomfortable rather than hot? I do find him attractive, but never in photos like this. I guess i have a double standard, since if this would have been a Phil selfie, i would be all over it :D
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KatjaZoe wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 10:00 am *dannies found suddenly dropping dead all over the world*

he looks like such a fuckboi but i love it omg :fan: i can't decide if i like that unmirrored version better bc its flipped or just because its bigger so i can see it in better detail :lol:

also i agree about probs not showing nipples partially having to do with the younger audience, but also i can see some kind of distinction in dan's own head about how'd he'd be percieved -- like showing not showing nipple might be more tasteful i guess? and he doesn't want to be seen as ~that guy~ that takes shirtless selfies :shrug:

(ps i just realized how appropriate my signature is for this situation :lol: )
It's been an evolution going on for years. From near nudes to not even showing a nipple. I sometimes forget how violently sexual he could be in the very early days. From the nakedbooths to ridiculous teases as zombie to pelvic thrusts... yea I think he definitely is being conscious about what he's showing that could be categorized as 'objective' nudity. Who knows maybe in the TOS or guidelines from some of the places his pics end up there might even be made a difference? Or if there's no real difference to the platform, I bet it does make for a better case to any other future employers or sponsors who might be vetting what he exactly does and if it's safe to associate their brand with Dan.

Or it could also just be a personal line he's drawn. He likes to walk a tight rope between sharing his body and being sexy yet not be considered 'tasteless'. And like with everything Dan, I think his feelings about what he does are complicated and somewhat contradictory.
I'm reminded of song he referenced on an instagram pic not to long ago where he called Phil a model. I think it might catch some of the duality he feels when mr. artistic standards makes a fuckboi pic

You're so beautiful Wildslutangel22@yahoo
You're so beautiful
Like a tree or some nice ceramics or something
Or like a high-class prostitute, a high-class prostitute
Oh, so beautiful
Well, you could be a part-time model
Well, you'd probably still have to keep your normal job


I think He's oppressively attractive ofc so I was reminded more of this song

Finding my own inarticulate prose
Weirding out strangers and laughing at those
Jaundiced and jaded, postured and posed
Not that we’re special it’s just that we’re
Closing in on a place where we might get to be
Living real people regularly
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I am of the opinion that Dan's not ~censoring his nips for the kids~ but rather that he's probably still a bit too self-conscious to share a full shot of his post-4th-puberty chest.

That said, I love shameless fuckboi!Dan and I think insta stories is letting that side of him out a bit more. Sign me up for more shameless dick references and kind-of-shirtless pics!

I don't know that I'm necessarily fanning myself over pics like this. It's more that I'm a proud older sister (or something, idk, is that weird?) and I'm finally watching him, er...... bloom. :lol:
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phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am Last comment on mental health and d&p, I disagree with assigning them to be on the spectrum of anything or describe them as struggling with something unless they specifically put it in those words. Dan HAS opened up about depression, and has made some agoraphobia and social anxiety jokey comments, but Phil hasn't to my knowledge. He has said "I used to be very shy and now I'm more confident" and has described moments of feeling anxious or nervous, but not "I used to have very bad anxiety". Not every quirk someone describes about themselves is to be taken as a symptom. I know (hey I have some minor mental health issues myself) that it's very common and shouldn't be taken as an insult or whatever, but they can't be the poster boys for everything we'd like them to be. Dan has depression, and that's all we know for certain.
This is actually a total mirror of the conversations that were had before the depression video. There was a whole chunk of phandom who was diehard convinced that Dan just used depression jokes as releatable humor and handwaved all the signs of it because they didn't believe someone who had as many options available to him would be depressed, or would point to all the times that Dan was fine on a stage or traveling and seemed happy, etc, as not something a depressed person would do. (Of course, there were also the people furious that Dan would 'pretend' or play up depression symptoms for views, but that's a whole different topic and much less relatable to this.)

I actually have the same opinion now as I did then; I am not a fan of ignoring obvious signs of something. I think we shouldn't make total assumptions but I think totally dismissing it is equally iffy to me. I also don't think it's unreasonable to look at someone who describes (just plucking out a couple random examples from memory) himself as shaking and wanting to leave through half of a show for fear of being called on stage, or being so anxious about telling someone no that he literally threw up and still didn't say anything, as having social anxiety. I myself described it as Phil just having an anxious personality but there are indications that it's more than a 'personality quirk' (imo the biggest one being the gym video). We won't know anything until he says, but the conversation isn't based in nothing - just like people suspecting Dan was depressed for the depression video wasn't based on nothing.
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phanfckingtastic wrote: Fri Sep 07, 2018 7:28 am Last comment on mental health and d&p, I disagree with assigning them to be on the spectrum of anything or describe them as struggling with something unless they specifically put it in those words. Dan HAS opened up about depression, and has made some agoraphobia and social anxiety jokey comments, but Phil hasn't to my knowledge. He has said "I used to be very shy and now I'm more confident" and has described moments of feeling anxious or nervous, but not "I used to have very bad anxiety". Not every quirk someone describes about themselves is to be taken as a symptom. I know (hey I have some minor mental health issues myself) that it's very common and shouldn't be taken as an insult or whatever, but they can't be the poster boys for everything we'd like them to be. Dan has depression, and that's all we know for certain.
thanks for your input! unfortunately, i didnt have the intention to label them but if it seemed as if was, sorry 🙊! i was mostly thinking that different people experience and react to depression and anxiety differently and it reminded me of a spectrum. although, i guess i didnt know how to phrase it.

while phil hasnt really outright said he has "anxiety" (the illness), he has shared some experiences where it was obvious that he experiences anxiety (the verb) about social interactions to some extent. usually more strongly with confrontations in person. i wouldnt diagnose nor label him as someone who suffers from clinical depression/anxiety and no one in this fandom should anyways because we arent their doctors/therapists. but i do think that its sometimes fun to dissect and speculate certain interactions theyve done and its fine so long as we dont end up forgetting our boundaries.

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re:dans fuckboy selfie

before i went to bed, people were being downright demon on tumblr talking about the casual red shirt hanging on the bushes behind dan and now i wake up to people discussing his nipples
i cant 😂😂😂 i should stop posting online while half awake
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