Dan & Phil Part 3: Abs and Angst

[Cora]

I'm not actually here, I'm just skimming. I'm totally still on set and can't pay attention to everything and I want to respond to so much stuff and make long rants, dammit.

BUT! I just wanted to do a quick drive-by and report in reference to the dreams comments.

I've been having D&P dreams at least once a week for the past 6 months. It's really...awkward.

Some of them are just friends hanging out, some of them a little more complicated. Last night's in particular was a rather sexy dream. I usually wake up with sort of a "....huh." emotion.

[Stakhanov]

A quick google search of 'Phil lester haircuts' gives me .. very similar haircuts Obv he should do as he damn well pleases but if i had a vote it'd go to a ginger hairdo, maybe with a cool quiff

So this video of jimmy0010 grabbed my attention:


oh now i get it. Why do you have to remove the s in https to get a thumbnail? Weird

Regardless of your opinion of him, do you think this accurately portrays how spons work? I mean he's talking about transcripts that get viewed and edited by the sponsor. I was surprised by the amount of control that gets exerted on the creative process. I naively presumed that companies would just ask youtubers to make a vid 'around' their brand, maybe with the inclusion of one or two taglines. "Why don't you review your favorite anime or eat a lot of our delicious cookies", something like that.
It's hard to imagine crunchyroll telling Dan to get naked with the haru pillow for example

But by getting involved into D&P on this level my eyes have definitely been opened to how influential the business side of things are on their content and how they represent themselves. The more you think you know them, the more you realize you don't know them
It makes sense, we're talking about peoples livelihoods after all.

[Stakhanov]

I'm not actually here, I'm just skimming. I'm totally still on set and can't pay attention to everything and I want to respond to so much stuff and make long rants, dammit.

BUT! I just wanted to do a quick drive-by and report in reference to the dreams comments.

I've been having D&P dreams at least once a week for the past 6 months. It's really...awkward.

Some of them are just friends hanging out, some of them a little more complicated. Last night's in particular was a rather sexy dream. I usually wake up with sort of a "....huh." emotion.

Sounds great tbh. I would suggest we go through a series of ink blobs to get to the deeper meaning of these dreams, but all you would see in the ink is anyway

[phamnotof]

A quick google search of 'Phil lester haircuts' gives me .. very similar haircuts Obv he should do as he damn well pleases but if i had a vote it'd go to a ginger hairdo, maybe with a cool quiff

So this video of jimmy0010 grabbed my attention:


oh now i get it. Why do you have to remove the s in https to get a thumbnail? Weird

Regardless of your opinion of him, do you think this accurately portrays how spons work? I mean he's talking about transcripts that get viewed and edited by the sponsor. I was surprised by the amount of control that gets exerted on the creative process. I naively presumed that companies would just ask youtubers to make a vid 'around' their brand, maybe with the inclusion of one or two taglines. "Why don't you review your favorite anime or eat a lot of our delicious cookies", something like that.
It's hard to imagine crunchyroll telling Dan to get naked with the haru pillow for example

But by getting involved into D&P on this level my eyes have definitely been opened to how influential the business side of things are on their content and how they represent themselves. The more you think you know them, the more you realize you don't know them
It makes sense, we're talking about peoples livelihoods after all.

I mean, I think he's portraying it truthfully for a YouTuber who has a 100k subscribers. (And it's a fascinating insight!) But like, I do believe that you'd have hella more wiggle room with a brand as huge names like dnp are, because regardless of what you make, the exposure of your brand's gonna be massive. And I think that's not only compensated by money, but also by the amount of freedom you have.

[mez29]

Pfff i wish my dreams make sense, but the don't have a patern, no story, no continuity. I'm sure I dream with Dan months ago but I never understand the order or story of my dreams.

The only dream I've had with is a super-exciting one where I saw them on the street and overheard them needing to get a taxi but not having any USD, so I paid for it for them. It was like 10 seconds of interaction and I got nothing out of it except -$15. Damn, even my dreams can't be bothered to fantasize a little

I had a dream where I was Dan and Phil was Phil and we were kissing and stuff... And we were filming a video while doing it... It was very fun.

Hmm, I think I had the inverse of that dream last week (I was Phil)

[majitzu]

Hair dresser topic: I'm sure they both go to the same hair dresser

Ad's topic: I'm sure they have the freedom to make their add video whatever they like, in the case of crunchyroll, and maybe they have to show certain aspects of the game in the Dragon game. But they have a big amount of subscribers, so I suppose the companys that paid them give them the freedom because they know the visist to the video are guarantee.

Dream topic: I'm still jelous of all of you who have normal dreams.

[lilMango]

A quick google search of 'Phil lester haircuts' gives me .. very similar haircuts Obv he should do as he damn well pleases but if i had a vote it'd go to a ginger hairdo, maybe with a cool quiff

So this video of jimmy0010 grabbed my attention:

oh now i get it. Why do you have to remove the s in https to get a thumbnail? Weird

Regardless of your opinion of him, do you think this accurately portrays how spons work? I mean he's talking about transcripts that get viewed and edited by the sponsor. I was surprised by the amount of control that gets exerted on the creative process. I naively presumed that companies would just ask youtubers to make a vid 'around' their brand, maybe with the inclusion of one or two taglines. "Why don't you review your favorite anime or eat a lot of our delicious cookies", something like that.
It's hard to imagine crunchyroll telling Dan to get naked with the haru pillow for example

But by getting involved into D&P on this level my eyes have definitely been opened to how influential the business side of things are on their content and how they represent themselves. The more you think you know them, the more you realize you don't know them
It makes sense, we're talking about people's livelihoods after all.

This video was very interesting, so thanks for that, first of all.
Secondly, I feel like the YouTuber still comes up with most of the content in the video. If I were a company, I wouldn't care what the video was like, as long as it represented my brand in a positive way and an effective way. So, pretty much, as long as they say my brand's name somewhere and describe it and the benefits, then I would be getting my money's worth, so I wouldn't care what the rest of the video was. (I mean... unless there was something completely horrible about it.)
I suppose it depends on the brand, maybe some have a more controlling way of dealing with things.

[Stakhanov]

I mean, I think he's portraying it truthfully for a YouTuber who has a 100k subscribers. (And it's a fascinating insight!) But like, I do believe that you'd have hella more wiggle room with a brand as huge names like dnp are, because regardless of what you make, the exposure of your brand's gonna be massive. And I think that's not only compensated by money, but also by the amount of freedom you have.

This video was very interesting, so thanks for that, first of all.
Secondly, I feel like the YouTuber still comes up with most of the content in the video. If I were a company, I wouldn't care what the video was like, as long as it represented my brand in a positive way and an effective way. So, pretty much, as long as they say my brand's name somewhere and describe it and the benefits, then I would be getting my money's worth, so I wouldn't care what the rest of the video was. (I mean... unless there was something completely horrible about it.)
I suppose it depends on the brand, maybe some have a more controlling way of dealing with things.

Thanks for the insight.
It's still funny to imagine some senior executive from the advertising department watching Dan stroke his Haru in a board room and going "Right, i think we gained exposure in our key markets"

[somelikeitpink]

We need to find Fabrice!

Poor Phil, although I don't think his hair is that bad. But yeah someone find Fabrice.

Maybe if he can't find Fabrice he'll go to a different hairdresser (Dan's maybe?) and finally get a quiff?

I would love that to happen, doubt it though.

It'd make Mr "I ALWAYS want Phil's hair" Howell happy though.

The question is...
Will the phandom, which is known to be able to find specific hotel rooms' plans in Japan,be able to find Fabrice?? (and be for once really useful and not extremely annoying to them with all the investigations...??)

tbh though Fabrece didn't move too far away.
I think he might have just been fed up with Phil and didn't want to do the same hair style anymore, so he didn't tell him where he went
Also as far as I remember Dan went to the same hair dresser

[Jeweul]

Hair dresser topic: I'm sure they both go to the same hair dresser

Ad's topic: I'm sure they have the freedom to make their add video whatever they like, in the case of crunchyroll, and maybe they have to show certain aspects of the game in the Dragon game. But they have a big amount of subscribers, so I suppose the companys that paid them give them the freedom because they know the visist to the video are guarantee.

Dream topic: I'm still jelous of all of you who have normal dreams.

[offtopic]I wouldn't go as to say my dreams are normal, but they are very exciting. They're a lot like sci-fi/fantasy books or films and usually involve a lot of conversations and crazy themes. I sometimes write down my dreams that are really exciting and I still vividly remember a dream I had when I was like 6. Should we have a dream thread? I love reading/writing about my dreams and other peoples' dreams.[/offtopic]

[Stakhanov]

[offtopic]A dream topic is a great idea. Do you feel like your written records of the dream manage to capture you feeling you had while dreaming it? Sadly i rarely remember my dreams nowadays, the memories just disappear right after i wake up. I used to have very vivid, very surreal dreams like you, with a lot of bizarre themes and elements that just made me smile when i woke up. Sweet dreams to all, i'm out
Just to celebrate my dank meme status on this forum - i feel no other status will ever emotionally reflect my sou so accurately, one more vaguely related trolley 80's song! [/offtopic]

[missemma]

I already know I'm gearing myself up for disappointment, but at some point in the liveshow, Dan reads out a message about DITL touring and then quickly brushes past it by saying he doesn't know what the acronym means. Keeping my fingers, toes, eyes, and nipples crossed that he was just haru-ing the message because they actually plan on filming a Tour DITL and he wants it to be a surprise.

PLEASE GOD I WANT A TOUR DITL SO HARD

Yes to everything in this post. We need a new DITL video and a behind the scenes tour video like asap. I also have everything crossed.

Fabrice didn't move that far at all (next road I'm told) so I'm sure Phil can find him if he really wants too.

Also,

Moderator Action :

can all the off topic posts that aren't related to D&P be taken to the general/personal forums instead of being posted in here. Thaaaaaanks

[lilMango]

Thanks for the insight.
It's still funny to imagine some senior executive from the advertising department watching Dan stroke his Haru in a board room and going "Right, i think we gained exposure in our key markets"

so true. And the "B-b-baka!!!!!" part as well

RE Fabrice: I have some pretty keen stalking skills, so I'll see what I can do.

[danphil333]

The question is...
Will the phandom, which is known to be able to find specific hotel rooms' plans in Japan,be able to find Fabrice?? (and be for once really useful and not extremely annoying to them with all the investigations...??)

I have faith that the phandom could be both useful and extremely annoying. Like - they'll find Fabrice, sure. And then every review listing, informational page, and social media account for the poor guy will be filled with nothing but people asking him things about Phil, telling him Phil is looking for him, or just shouting "protip!" into the void.

i would personally bribe Fabrice to cut the fringe "by accident". The phandom can make themselves useful and create a fundraiser because i am broke.

i once had a dream i was in the same room with Ben Cook and Phil (even my dreams are avoiding dan). For some reason i dont exactly remember.... Ben removed his pants (there was absolutely nothing, it was a like ken doll). And then phil started doing the same and i think i was so excited and overwhelmed i woke up before i could see anything

[corn flakes]

Thanks for the video it was informative: like many of you have said I think, while the process works like that, the big names on youtube , especially youtubers that are more difficult to reach like D&P, have much more room.
If you think about the beauty guru community there are spons that are quite badly made and others that are good from the same brand, also I can't not laugh at the picture of an important figure in cruchyrool seeing Dan stroking
My only question now is if he was paid a few thousands (gonna assume 3000-5000£) how much D&P got?

Hairdresser; I can't believe that they don't share a hairdresser...also can't he go to the salon and inquire about him? was he blacklisted?

[lilMango]

Update on Fabrice: There is literally only one Fabrice hairdresser that shows up that works in London. The only other one is a french guy.
I went to the London guy's instagram and there isn't much... the photos are pretty weird, actually. Does anyone remember exactly when Phil said that Fabrice was leaving? I could jump back to there on the instagram and see if he posted anything.

[awkwardly]

Hairdresser; I can't believe that they don't share a hairdresser...also can't he go to the salon and inquire about him? was he blacklisted?

Phil said in the ls that he asked but that they told him that they can not give him that kind of information... weird... maybe cause he went to a competing saloon or something so they don't want to promote competition...

[awkwardly]

[offtopic]this is the kind of material that I expect to get from the tour bus ls (high expectations high expectations for a lot of teasing exchanges )
[/offtopic]

[felucca]

Dodie made this rant video, lecturing brands on the right way to approach youtubers:


^ interesting second perspective for those who liked Jimmy's vid

It's still funny to imagine some senior executive from the advertising department watching Dan stroke his Haru in a board room and going "Right, i think we gained exposure in our key markets"

1) um I have never seen specific japan hotel rooms i have a mighty need?
2) if I for a second believed his name was actually Fabrice, yeah, we could do it. but not without phil's help & that's not happening
3) are we sure they didn't share a hairdresser to begin with? i mean, dan was also complaining in the latest ls that he needed a haircut badly

1) d&p's room (they had the twin version) + d&p's floorplan
2) he is indeed named Fabrice
3) yup, they both go to Fabrice

[sweetmm]

There is a 3rd option - buying the entire building they're currently living in and moving their respective secret partners/families in.

There is only one apt to buy, the apt of the guy who have sex a lot and owns a dog. But even though they still need to decide who lives in the old apt who lives in the new one.

So yeah, drama

I know I'm late as usual but still gonna reply

The loud orgasm guy stay in the apartment under them; whilst the neighbour with the dog stays in the apartment across their front door. That is how I always perceived their apartment block thus far as they stay on the floor above.

[phamnotof]

Dodie made this rant video, lecturing brands on the right way to approach youtubers:


^ interesting second perspective for those who liked Jimmy's vid

It's still funny to imagine some senior executive from the advertising department watching Dan stroke his Haru in a board room and going "Right, i think we gained exposure in our key markets"

1) um I have never seen specific japan hotel rooms i have a mighty need?
2) if I for a second believed his name was actually Fabrice, yeah, we could do it. but not without phil's help & that's not happening
3) are we sure they didn't share a hairdresser to begin with? i mean, dan was also complaining in the latest ls that he needed a haircut badly

1) d&p's room (they had the twin version) + d&p's floorplan
2) he is indeed named Fabrice
3) yup, they both go to Fabrice

thank you! you have much knowledge
(the room is gorgeous. am jelly af. also, like, impressed by the phandom's detective abilities. if i ever go missing, i want you guys on the case. )
i wonder if it'll please or terrify phil more if people find fabrice for them

[Aurdie]

Update on Fabrice: There is literally only one Fabrice hairdresser that shows up that works in London. The only other one is a french guy.
I went to the London guy's instagram and there isn't much... the photos are pretty weird, actually. Does anyone remember exactly when Phil said that Fabrice was leaving? I could jump back to there on the instagram and see if he posted anything.

If you try search "SalonSpy.co.uk" , you're right, there's only a few (three?)in London that go by "Fabrice":
[personal information removed - jesp]

The prob with those two gents is that it appears they've both been at their respective salons for while (based on their client reviews), so neither was a " recent arrival" if they bailed from another salon, as Phil is suggesting. So maybe you're right, Fabrice just ditched Phil. Or, it's Phil trolling the Phandom, to keep our focus on a red herring instead of some more fruitful (and interesting) digging.

[lilMango]

Update on Fabrice: There is literally only one Fabrice hairdresser that shows up that works in London. The only other one is a french guy.
I went to the London guy's instagram and there isn't much... the photos are pretty weird, actually. Does anyone remember exactly when Phil said that Fabrice was leaving? I could jump back to there on the instagram and see if he posted anything.

If you try search "SalonSpy.co.uk" there are basically only two/three in London that go by "Fabrice":

(i deleted the names soz)

The prob with those two gents is that it appears they've both been at their respective salons for while (based on their client reviews), so neither was a " recent arrival" if they bailed from another salon, as Phil is suggesting. So maybe you're right, Fabrice just ditched Phil. Or, it's Phil trolling the Phandom, to keep our focus on a red herring instead of some more fruitful (and interesting) digging.

Yeah I found the first guy you mentioned. Maybe Phil changed the name to give him privacy, or he just made up the whole thing to be funny, idk. I tried though.

[spaceguitar]

Why are people searching for Fabrice? Is this the stalking thread?

[alittledizzy]

Yeah I'd advise against linking to anyone specifically or leaving people's full names... the intentions are good but I'm a little bit afraid the phandom might descend en masse on some more unsuspecting guy, and I'm not sure that situation would really end up benefiting anyone.