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anushwa wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 4:15 pmAlso, will anyone discuss Phil With Me? I have the intense urge to but i don't even know where to start. All i know is that i am filled with adoration for him but also find it oddly annoying to find him trying to be funny. He's the funniest when he doesn't force it imo, but i doubt he can just sit back and let dan take the wheel in videos without coming off as angry or something. He never really comes off as angry or frustrated, always good natured! Can That Man Please Write A Book, i need it desperately. It's funny how i'd roll my eyes at most youtubers writing books but that's the thing right, some youtubers really isol8 their traits and qualities in a way that makes them seem worthy of being heard Regarding Something. Ok maybe i'm biased but... who wouldn't want to read a book by someone who KNOWS how to appear as Sunshine Personified and not stagger under the weight of being analysed constantly? To be fair, I'm just really interested in these things and would be so down to read a book by Kath about parenting. Again, I feel like i'm biased and too in love with him and need him to Slap me in the face with a Book that reveals the dark sides of the Sun (isn;t that a great title, @ mr phil amazing credit me if you do use it) (it's also very self absorbed and i like to think phil would use it just to be ironic, but that's ooc and more of a dinof type thing to do) please talk to me, things are happening in life and i don't want to think about them at all.

The idea of Phil writing a book would be interesting, but I think it would honestly have to come after his youtube career is over because otherwise there's a real catch-22 there; being fairly unphased and upbeat about pretty much everything is definitely part of his persona, so to go the step further and full on dissect what he puts into appearing that way while still also relying on it would probably make a lot of fans balk even more than the amount of persona-dissection already happening in their career does.

(edited in the original post since I'm top of the page!)

I've been reading a few books by comedians lately and I'd love it if Phil wrote a book like that about his experience on Youtube. Just basically a light-hearted autobiography in typical Phil style but maybe with a bit more depth than what we see on Youtube. Come on, Phil, do it!

On the other hand, i really hope neither of them will publish a novel anytime soon. I wanted to say that a few days ago when the conversation moved in that direction but then didn't because the discussion had moved on. But since we're talking about books again... I guess I'm just super against celebrities who've never written fiction in their lives suddenly publishing novels. It totally has to do with Zoella's ghostwriting scandal and that mess that Louise's novel turned out to be but also with the fact that writing is a skill and you can't just do it like that. (Yes, their writing was okay in the short stories in TABINOF but a short story is not a well-written, well plotted, fleshed out 300 page novel, okay.)

But yeah, I'd be up for an autobiography. But ngl, I'd probably also be up for ISG in book form if it was done well. Or just a book of Danecdotes. I'm not against Youtuber or celebrity books at all when they're done well.

I'd love to read a book from Phil in ten years time; he's got quite the persona he puts forth and it would be really interesting if he were to take us behind the scenes more about his thoughts/feelings regarding YouTube and his business decisions with Dan and such. I actually think he could write a good book (I don't really count tatinof as a book), he's got the smarts and experience from uni to help.


(Psst, I'm submitting my application for the Young Minds internship and I could use all the good juju you send my way! If I were to be accepted it would be largely thanks to Dan and his influence - fingers crossed!!)

@Katka oooh seems like i missed the discussion, i've always been a very occasional lurker here, only coming when there's something i want to see other's perspective about or if i am avoiding something (like exams, yikes) which comedians?! Interesting. And I doubt they'd be able to write a book right now anyway! I agree, maybe a few years down the line, when rent is due, maybe we can expect something of the sort.

also yes, youtubers suddenly deciding that they've always wanted to be a Writer Of Fiction is so stupid and annoying, if you're a storyteller, stick to that, if you ain't then fuck off !! sellouts or not, at least dnp never pretended to be Novel Authors.. it was smarter even, to not even touch that stuff with a two feet pole (though,,,,, the urge exists,,,,,, but the hand was great and very amazingphil, kudos to the author heh)

@SHITiveHITtheFANdom All the best !!!!

It's rare that a celebrity in whatever field turns out to be a gifted novelist. Still, I would very much enjoy a biography or biographically inspired novel by Dan or Phil (or hey, they could even try cowrite even though it would lower the quality of the writing imo ). Just because I hope it would reveal more about them as people.

It's a shame Zoella wasn't upfront about using a ghostwriter because I think that probably made some people in the youtube scene think twice about writing more books. By itself I don't think it's wrong that people who don't seek recognition as an author use a ghostwriter. In fact, I think that's probably better than just producing a terrible book.

One thing I always thought they’d be good at is a fun travel book.
They like travelling and being on the move a lot. “Dan and Phil Hit the Road.”
Say they went around a continent like Europe and tried all the touristy stuff. Reviewed food and restaurants, saw shows, recommended places they loved the most. Told funny anecdotes. Taught a bit about what they’d learned whilst out there.
I’ve always thought Dapgo could have been good if it had more depth to it.

bookfiend wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 7:20 pm One thing I always thought they’d be good at is a fun travel book.
They like travelling and being on the move a lot. “Dan and Phil Hit the Road.”
Say they went around a continent like Europe and tried all the touristy stuff. Reviewed food and restaurants, saw shows, recommended places they loved the most. Told funny anecdotes. Taught a bit about what they’d learned whilst out there.
I’ve always thought Dapgo could have been good if it had more depth to it.

They should perhaps make that a video series once their current youtube plans run out, travel vlogs maybe a little depth when they visit new places but also quality bantz. I think I've given up hope for a more serious book from dan or phil simply because I don't think they know that their audience would actually spend money on that. With dan being surprised that 25 year olds watch him, I think they have a perception of who their fans (mostly young teens) are and what kind of products they'd be interested in.

I would love it if they ever talked about youtube, money or their lives more in depth(even if they did it on a podcast like ear biscuits rather than start their own project to do so) because they'd be real but unfortunately as much as I love them, I understand their need to not be vulnerable to millions of people. they're both always performing, even in live-shows and idk i look forward to a few years down the line where they might not feel this pressure to. This tour is a big step for them so I am happy about that!

Also the recent ig story: Phil in rainbow neon is perfect and that shower has to be haunted...

Just putting them here for reference
I totally want a travel series (kind of like Richard Ayoade). I think their bants/Phil's reviewing would really work!

I would love for them to make a travel blog. Maybe they are already planning it - Phil did tweet that he wants to do more travelling after the tour and we know he wants to go to Japan again. Dan can also bring back his margarita blog(I doubt they would do this but if thoughts going out into the universe help then I'll keep sending them)

Complete agree on the travel series in vlog format and would love some introspective books when they “retire”. I didn’t get to watch the gaming video until this afternoon, I enjoyed it, maybe more than the first Wikihow, I dunno they’re just sweet lately. Thanks for the timestamps and keeping score @watsonian

Dan’s latest Instastory:
I do like that jacket on him. Those aren’t his original ninja-esque shoes are they?

Oh and of course I adore than photo on stage of the two of them. So much.

Oops almost forgot Phil’s very deep tweet

as far as i know, those shoes are new. i haven’t seen them before phil’s fortnite plane story. in fact, i saw them vaguely in that story and was wondering which pair of shoes they were. i could be wrong though, if he’s worn them before i don’t think it was recent.

I can’t picture either of them as travel bloggers or vloggers at the moment. Describing funny things that happen to them, yes, but not reviewing destinations or food. Dan’s too neurotic about what he’s “supposed” to think and Phil rarely wants to share a negative opinion publicly, especially if it could get back to someone involved.

I can’t really see them reviewing anything tbh. It would be lovely if they found a way to work more travel into their careers though, as they both seem to enjoy it.

I only got right now the yt notification for their last gaming video, youtube keeps getting worse and worse

they both seem to love to travel (especially phil) so I could see them doing a travel blog type series later on just as an excuse to go on holidays and still be able to call it 'work.' They gotta fund their fancy vacations somehow, 'yo

As someone who spent 4 years analyzing other people’s writing for my literature degree, I actually think Dan’s fiction writing (The Urge) is pretty good. However as someone said earlier a short story and a full novel are very different things. I would love a book of short stories from him tho. I think he definitely has the skills for it should he choose to do so. Phil’s forté is not fiction (sorry Phil ) but I could see him doing a good job with comedy/autobiography— however as far as the autobiography, writing a book all about his life doesn’t seem so much like something Phil would do, at least imo.

Re: the girlfriend/female attraction mentions (or lack thereof) in the last video. There was a part that stood out to me that I haven’t seen anyone else mention so far. On the picture with the lizard and the mouse rubbing together one of the options was something about “the perfect girl” to which Dan made a joke relating the mouse to the perfect girl saying “she’s got the curves. She’s thick and juicy” (sorry I can’t include a time stamp bc I’m at work right now). I know it’s mostly just a throwaway joke but it grabbed my attention since I’m a curvy/thick girl lol (thanks Dan for the body positivity ).

Unrelated to any current conversations and probably only I care it is SO WEIRD to me that they’re in the same country as me now. Also I saw a post on tumblr mapping out all their American tour dates and realized that if they drive rather than fly from Philadelphia to Denver that they’ll have to drive through my city in the next few days. It’s just kind of blowing my mind that they’re so close when I’m used to them being an ocean away.

sugar wrote: Mon Jun 25, 2018 10:53 pm as far as i know, those shoes are new. i haven’t seen them before phil’s fortnite plane story. in fact, i saw them vaguely in that story and was wondering which pair of shoes they were. i could be wrong though, if he’s worn them before i don’t think it was recent.

Someone found them already, I like them too. I'm assuming its from their recent ASOS/Topman haul.

I feel like people on this forum have far more ideas on the future of dnp's channels or careers in general than dnp have themselves.

Imo, some kind of travel blogs would do well in terms of views and audience's engagement, as DITLs and any other videos in a more real environment are always well-received and quite rewatchable. I feel though like dnp are too lazy for leaving home that often.

Personally, I want them and their content to grow up, to mature, and by that I don't mean Phil swearing. I am sure, they are both interesting people irl and there's more to them than just overexaggerated Internet personas. I would love them to go more in-depth with their content. It looks like Dan is actually trying to take steps in this direction with his depression and living his truth videos but a) very inconsistently; b)manages to ruin any message the video might convey with a few dick jokes. Phil is much more reserved, and I would love to see more of his real personality, in a form of a book as well, in any form actually.

I will forever regret that they couldn't (/wouldn't? I can't remember now) do the Crunchyroll spon tour thing, that just seemed so perfect for them.

applegrass wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 4:48 am I feel like people on this forum have far more ideas on the future of dnp's channels or careers in general than dnp have themselves.

Imo, some kind of travel blogs would do well in terms of views and audience's engagement, as DITLs and any other videos in a more real environment are always well-received and quite rewatchable. I feel though like dnp are too lazy for leaving home that often.

Personally, I want them and their content to grow up, to mature, and by that I don't mean Phil swearing. I am sure, they are both interesting people irl and there's more to them than just overexaggerated Internet personas. I would love them to go more in-depth with their content. It looks like Dan is actually trying to take steps in this direction with his depression and living his truth videos but a) very inconsistently; b)manages to ruin any message the video might convey with a few dick jokes. Phil is much more reserved, and I would love to see more of his real personality, in a form of a book as well, in any form actually.

You've touched on one of the reasons I find Dan's recent content so engaging. It's exactly the combination of discussing depression, humor, happiness, life goals, and dick sucking in the same video (or, if you're watching one of his liveshows, in the same breath) that strikes me as novel and puts me in a thoughtful mood.

It's a thoughtful mood that I apparently have a very hard time putting into words, unfortunately! The discussion after the posting of 'Trying to Live My Truth' was what originally made me want join IDB. I liked seeing how people handled it when topics usually discussed in isolation were all shoved together. It's not something we have an established script for the way we do for sexuality in isolation or clinical depression in isolation. My interpretation was that people focused on one of a few topics in the video almost to the exclusion of the others. Some of us talked about sexuality, some of us about struggling for happiness and what it means to be authentic, and some about depression, coping, or realistic goals. Few talked about all of those topics at once. Maybe because we've all had the six paragraph essay format drilled into our young minds and understand the importance of cordoning off your subject, or maybe because it's too complicated to discuss 'unalike' topics at once, even when presented with a video that contains all of those topics we break them back down again and talk about them in isolation.

As do I, so I'm not criticizing the normal way of discussing things. There's just something about Dan's thinking-too-fast-for-his-mouth, connecting-all-the-things way of communicating that makes me distinctly aware of an unmet desire I have to try to understand life through the wholeness of a human experience, rather than through in-depth analysis of isolated topics that I read about at uni or go to talks about, which are fascinating but so divorced from all the other experiences that contextualize them that they don't feel real anymore.

Oh my. I did warn you that I have a hard time putting whatever the hell it is I'm thinking into words.

tl;dr? For me specifically, dicks don't detract from the message but enhance it. I might not watch a video about dicks. I might not watch a video about depression. But a video about dicks and depression? Sign me the fuck up.

My D&P hoodie arrived, it's very soft and I love it

A little weirded out though since I only received it about three hours ago... which was like... shortly after midnight where I am and definitely not a time that mail gets delivered. I live in a basement apartment which uses the side door but all my mail understandably gets delivered to the front door of the house, which is only used by the people in the upstairs apartment. The people upstairs are usually nice about it and if they find any mail addressed to me or my roommate before we do, they'll leave it just outside our door (which is inside, down the stairs from the side door) so it doesn't get wet, stolen, etc. So today, apparently one of the guys upstairs decided 12:30am was a good time to aggressively knock on my door, shout "YOU HAVE MAIL" and then either drop or throw it on the ground (since the bag made a loud slapping sound when it hit the floor) before heading back upstairs

I'm probably being paranoid, since most likely he simply noticed it when he went to take out the garbage or something and promptly brought it down to me, but he gives both me and my roommate a weird vibe so I may be slightly worried he's taking my mail in hopes that I'll have to talk to him to get it or something... I ordered my hoodie on the 8th, received a shipping confirmation on the 11th, and it would have technically arrived on the 25th, which means it took 11 business days to get to me from the time it was shipped. Not that it will give me any definite answers, but it would be greatly appreciated if anyone else who has purchased something internationally from the dnp shop could let me know how long it took for your order to arrive. Especially if you're Canadian, and even better if you're from Toronto or another major city so I can get a fairly accurate estimate. If it took around the same amount of time or longer to get to you guys, I'll give him the benefit of the doubt. But if it took much less time for everyone else, I'm going to be suspicious and on the lookout for my festival wristbands that also don't have tracking and are likely arriving this week

watsonian wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:06 am You've touched on one of the reasons I find Dan's recent content so engaging. It's exactly the combination of discussing depression, humor, happiness, life goals, and dick sucking in the same video (or, if you're watching one of his liveshows, in the same breath) that strikes me as novel and puts me in a thoughtful mood.

It's a thoughtful mood that I apparently have a very hard time putting into words, unfortunately! The discussion after the posting of 'Trying to Live My Truth' was what originally made me want join IDB. I liked seeing how people handled it when topics usually discussed in isolation were all shoved together. It's not something we have an established script for the way we do for sexuality in isolation or clinical depression in isolation. My interpretation was that people focused on one of a few topics in the video almost to the exclusion of the others. Some of us talked about sexuality, some of us about struggling for happiness and what it means to be authentic, and some about depression, coping, or realistic goals. Few talked about all of those topics at once. Maybe because we've all had the six paragraph essay format drilled into our young minds and understand the importance of cordoning off your subject, or maybe because it's too complicated to discuss 'unalike' topics at once, even when presented with a video that contains all of those topics we break them back down again and talk about them in isolation.

As do I, so I'm not criticizing the normal way of discussing things. There's just something about Dan's thinking-too-fast-for-his-mouth, connecting-all-the-things way of communicating that makes me distinctly aware of an unmet desire I have to try to understand life through the wholeness of a human experience, rather than through in-depth analysis of isolated topics that I read about at uni or go to talks about, which are fascinating but so divorced from all the other experiences that contextualize them that they don't feel real anymore.

Oh my. I did warn you that I have a hard time putting whatever the hell it is I'm thinking into words.

tl;dr? For me specifically, dicks don't detract from the message but enhance it. I might not watch a video about dicks. I might not watch a video about depression. But a video about dicks and depression? Sign me the fuck up.

i agree with you here. as a fellow "i think too much and too fast for my mouth to make words", i found it easier to relate to how dan thinks. not necessarily understand 100% - because his experiences are so different from mine - but understand enough his notions and possible intentions. when youre keeping so many thoughts just locked up in a vault in your head, it can be so hard to put them to words verbally sometimes. yes, im aware he does make notes about what hes going to talk about, but it still doesnt take away the fact that it only makes it a little bit more palatable than, lets say, him talking about the topic on a liveshow unfiltered. (which is what we got during that whole dick™ discourse)

in a way, the fandom has this penchant of over-analyzing and deconstructing deppy's actions a lot, which can both be a good thing or a bad thing depending on how you see it. we arent that far off from dan, who probably spends just as much time over-thinking his own self as we do to them. makes me think that the entire thing just feeds off itself as evidenced by dan knowing us too well. he knows that well analyze and nitpick his every word and i have a feeling that it causes him mild anxiety to be misinterpreted (im projecting since im the same way but i could be wrong here) so he over-explains himself to the point that the actual point hes trying to make doesnt make sense anymore or is far from what he originally intended. but in turn it only enables us to, again, nitpick his words, which causes this vicious cycle. think about it, this thing doesnt happen to phil as much because he knows to keep his mouth shut.

but i digress, i love dan's ramblings because i can see that he has things well-thought out whether he verbally says it or not. as for the dickscourse, i just found it unfortunate but predictable that the fandom would go apeshit over him "explaining" it again on the liveshow. i know its old already but i still think that his original intention was to clarify that he had the intention of including all genders/identities, but ultimately decided on using a dick joke. people took this the wrong way and accused him of backtracking; i found that kind of unfair on his part but c'est la vie. this man is finally talking to us about his inner-most concerns and slowly opening his "closet" ajar, yet people backlashed again him for poorly using his words in an unfiltered livestream and nit-picking on one thing instead of focusing on the fact that hes finally being open to us.

watsonian wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:06 am You've touched on one of the reasons I find Dan's recent content so engaging. It's exactly the combination of discussing depression, humor, happiness, life goals, and dick sucking in the same video (or, if you're watching one of his liveshows, in the same breath) that strikes me as novel and puts me in a thoughtful mood.

It's a thoughtful mood that I apparently have a very hard time putting into words, unfortunately! The discussion after the posting of 'Trying to Live My Truth' was what originally made me want join IDB. I liked seeing how people handled it when topics usually discussed in isolation were all shoved together. It's not something we have an established script for the way we do for sexuality in isolation or clinical depression in isolation. My interpretation was that people focused on one of a few topics in the video almost to the exclusion of the others. Some of us talked about sexuality, some of us about struggling for happiness and what it means to be authentic, and some about depression, coping, or realistic goals. Few talked about all of those topics at once. Maybe because we've all had the six paragraph essay format drilled into our young minds and understand the importance of cordoning off your subject, or maybe because it's too complicated to discuss 'unalike' topics at once, even when presented with a video that contains all of those topics we break them back down again and talk about them in isolation.

As do I, so I'm not criticizing the normal way of discussing things. There's just something about Dan's thinking-too-fast-for-his-mouth, connecting-all-the-things way of communicating that makes me distinctly aware of an unmet desire I have to try to understand life through the wholeness of a human experience, rather than through in-depth analysis of isolated topics that I read about at uni or go to talks about, which are fascinating but so divorced from all the other experiences that contextualize them that they don't feel real anymore.

Oh my. I did warn you that I have a hard time putting whatever the hell it is I'm thinking into words.

tl;dr? For me specifically, dicks don't detract from the message but enhance it. I might not watch a video about dicks. I might not watch a video about depression. But a video about dicks and depression? Sign me the fuck up.

However hard your time putting this into words was, it was worth it. I have found your perspective so captivating that I have reread this post multiple times, and, apparently, every time it gets better. The bolded part is especially thrilling for me, as it was beautifully worded and made me contemplate my approach to analysing and discussing altogether.
You view Dan's content as this beautiful mess consisting of "discussing depression, humor, happiness, life goals, and dick sucking". Now that I think of it, I imagine a slightly weird analogy with food - if you take any separate component out, the taste will not be the same and it will be the whole different dish.
The dick jokes themselves did not ruin anything for me, in fact, they were hilarious, it was the overreaction that did. If I recall correctly, Dan himself was not very happy that so many people only took into account this particular part of the video. I hope this kind of reaction doesn't deter him from making videos like "Trying To Live My Truth" in the future, considering his need for validation.
A piece of creative work fails to do its job when it leaves you indifferent. Dan's recent content does anything but that - as you mentioned, it engages the viewers in unconventional discussions. If it leaves your mind buzzing after watching, makes you think and feel - at least Dan's doing something right?

Last but not least, I feel curious, does your username refer to Watsonian vs Doylist tropes or to something else?

@kalli That timeframe for international shipping sounds about right to me, so I wouldn't worry about your upstairs neighbors. When I ordered my calendar from the UK shop I was beginning to think it had gotten lost in the mail, because it had been about ten days since they'd said it would ship. And then it came!

watsonian wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 6:06 am
You've touched on one of the reasons I find Dan's recent content so engaging. It's exactly the combination of discussing depression, humor, happiness, life goals, and dick sucking in the same video (or, if you're watching one of his liveshows, in the same breath) that strikes me as novel and puts me in a thoughtful mood.

It's a thoughtful mood that I apparently have a very hard time putting into words, unfortunately! The discussion after the posting of 'Trying to Live My Truth' was what originally made me want join IDB. I liked seeing how people handled it when topics usually discussed in isolation were all shoved together. It's not something we have an established script for the way we do for sexuality in isolation or clinical depression in isolation. My interpretation was that people focused on one of a few topics in the video almost to the exclusion of the others. Some of us talked about sexuality, some of us about struggling for happiness and what it means to be authentic, and some about depression, coping, or realistic goals. Few talked about all of those topics at once. Maybe because we've all had the six paragraph essay format drilled into our young minds and understand the importance of cordoning off your subject, or maybe because it's too complicated to discuss 'unalike' topics at once, even when presented with a video that contains all of those topics we break them back down again and talk about them in isolation.

As do I, so I'm not criticizing the normal way of discussing things. There's just something about Dan's thinking-too-fast-for-his-mouth, connecting-all-the-things way of communicating that makes me distinctly aware of an unmet desire I have to try to understand life through the wholeness of a human experience, rather than through in-depth analysis of isolated topics that I read about at uni or go to talks about, which are fascinating but so divorced from all the other experiences that contextualize them that they don't feel real anymore.

Oh my. I did warn you that I have a hard time putting whatever the hell it is I'm thinking into words.

tl;dr? For me specifically, dicks don't detract from the message but enhance it. I might not watch a video about dicks. I might not watch a video about depression. But a video about dicks and depression? Sign me the fuck up.

I think you're exactly right, and it's what I love about Dan. How else do you get novel thought unless you take two ideas and shove them together? Dan's exactly the kind of person I would want to hang out with and talk to for hours.

There's a meme that floats through the phandom periodically that really frustrates me: that Dan is not all that smart. It usually takes the form of "Dan thinks he's smarter than he obviously is"; sometimes it's thinly-veiled shade against his academic achievements. It's totally fine if Dan's way of expressing himself is not everyone's cup of tea, but I like to hear what Dan has to say because it usually gives me something to think about.

Good discussion never mind me dropping this here.
Carry on!

lefthandedism wrote: Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:31 pm There's a meme that floats through the phandom periodically that really frustrates me: that Dan is not all that smart. It usually takes the form of "Dan thinks he's smarter than he obviously is"; sometimes it's thinly-veiled shade against his academic achievements. It's totally fine if Dan's way of expressing himself is not everyone's cup of tea, but I like to hear what Dan has to say because it usually gives me something to think about.

Dan's habit to speak before he thinks is quite entertaining, but that doesn't make him stupid. After the depression video my view of Dan really change for the better, and while I think he's sometimes goofy (for the lack of a better word in my vocabulary), he's also my rolemodel, and I do look up to him for how strong he seems to be and what he has overcome. I think if he decides to be more personal on main, a lot of people might change their perspectives of him.

I've never thought people think he's not that smart because of his academic achievements (or the lack of them), but then again, I'm not the person to care about that kind of things in general.