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danphil333 wrote:

jaej wrote: ok but i don't mean complex in a special way, i mean 'acts like a normal human and not a cartoon character with 2 interests'. by making it obvious, i mean you have to assume 'fuck, he must be a real human, nobody actually lives like that'. if you have to look for the best in someone to just see them as an actual person with multiple likes, dislikes, hobbies, fears, traits - all of which dan shows at least outside of dinof while phil doesn't - that isn't a good thing. especially not when they're meant to be sharing their life as part of the platform.

you really can't accept that dan gets criticised. even dan stans, especially here, call him out when needed. the outcry and defence in response to phil being called a bit boring or impersonal is as severe as the response to people calling dan a fake, liar, untalented, attention whore etc. phil barely gets criticised and gets protected when he does, and it definitely isn't for any talent, because he doesn't offer anything new.

Well i see enough of phils likes, dislikes, hobbies, fears, traits both on AP and outside. Even the most boring things like his favorite cereal. At least i know there is phils family out there and its not a taboo mentioning them, i can imagine phil doing normal everyday stuff like interacting with people and going to the store without making it a big deal. There is no need to show so much negativity for everything to be "enough" of a person.
i mean when dan last year told the story about meeting a childhood friend i was left like . such a normal thing sounded so weird and important because dan normaly refuses to share anything about his normal life.

and you cant accept that some people see more in phil than what you see. Some people dont see the "childness" or dont see it as negative as you. it just what it is. You blame phil for what is actually the phandoms fault (angel smol bean, cinnamon roll who needs protection, the most creative yt, everyone copies him) i do the same with dan.. 'high five'.

neither of them offer any special "talent", they dont do anything groundbreaking or new. i dont expect my life to be changed because of

i don't care about phils family. i don't want to know that he is a family, i don't want to know what his favourite cereal is, i want to know what he is actually like. all we hear about is his cereal or his plants or his anime. that's the problem, he can talk about that all he wants, but when that's ALL he talks about im left wondering if he actually has a real personality at all. i don't need him to make political statements or talk about his worst moments but even in tweets or liveshows he doesn't talk about anything but the select few things that fit what he wants. people need to cling to 4 year old tumblr posts or statements from other people about what music or films he likes, and that's as deep as it gets. believe it or not, you can dislike things and not be a miserable shell of negativity, he can say he vaguely dislikes something and still have a channel that's immune from all criticism because 'it makes me smile!!!!'.

if i hated having a few tropes, id unfollow dan. but the point is that he also has other things. he talks about music he likes, he talks about silly events, he actually has discussions with people watching his liveshow rather than read out nothing but compliments like phil does. we know what music dan likes and his hobbies when he was younger and actually how he felt at school (not just 'he has a degree!!!') and how he reacts to different situations and ive been watching phil since 2008 and know less about him now than i did back then. i don't want him to share his family or anything like that, i want him to actually seem like a human with more than 4 bullet points of a personality

and no, the main reason i dislike phil is because he is infuriatingly boring and fake. he can't even make an interesting fake self. he ruins every video he's in for me and takes away from every situation he's in. he talks about how weird he is when all that means is that he likes things not primarily designed for him that lots of adults like and he likes to make fun of people who actually do things considered odd. id be terrified to meet him in case i said something unusual and get made fun of in a video with his eyes crossed and a tshirt over his head, all while he talks about positivity and being different
the fact that he gets defended like everyone else just doesn't understand how great he is makes it worse, but that's not why i dislike him. ive met plenty of obnoxious phil stans and i blame them, not him. and age doesn't play into it - not only did th older ones same the same stuff, they insisted anyone else just didn't get it, you're too young to appreciate, like.... socks or pancakes and stuff.

i was a classroom assistant for a few classes of 11-12 year olds now and then in the last year, and it's a popular age range where i live for d+p fans, and even some of them found phil boring and immature. younger age groups are turning to youtube because mainstream media treats them too young, when the 11-14 age group actually have normal, fun, appropriate content on youtube that doesn't treat them like kids but still identifies with them. childish doesn't mean it's FOR children, it just feels like it should be.


anyway, i definitely recognise that valentines day tweet, but that doesn't mean it's real. it would be 2011, probably, which isn't that unbelievable.

Breatherepeat wrote:And I beg of you people, stop saying "Phil is almost 30" like it is some kind of automatic thing that sends him into old age and retirement. He already seems settled down. He is not a man child or stuck in his teens. He is just an odd duck in a pond of traditional ducks and nontraditional ducks making a living off of a hobby that turned into a career. And because he is an odd duck, he stands out a little bit more. Not better. Not worse. Just different. And to quote Dan, "And that's okay."

As someone who is a few months younger than Phil (and also an odd duck) I completely agree. There's no age limit on when you should stop being yourself or liking the things that you like (if that's the case then I'll be spending most of my 30th birthday throwing my belongings out and deleting my entire hard-drive ) - it makes me sad when I see comments on his videos (more and more since his most recent birthday) of fans saying they can't believe he's nearly thirty etc. I hope they don't feel that they somehow have to change themselves when they get to that grand old age!

(this is all fairly hypocritical as I was too scared to go to TATINOF last year because I thought I was too old but there you go )

PolarFox wrote:

NarrysCanary wrote:Okay so I was scrolling through stopphanproofing cause I was bored and I see that they reblogged this : http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... te-that-he, and apparently for them, the fact that he finds more woman attractive than he finds men attractive means that he leans more towards the "straightness" than the "gayness". That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard ( and once again people think that bisexuality is 50/50)

also interesting how the attraction tumblr made by people from here has way more male mentions.
Edit: it was Anakin Skywalker

The post was made by "festive-phandom" and people are telling them that they forgot some men like Leonardo DiCaprio or Zayn, and their answers are "seems I have forgotten a few oops"

Anakin, right, I forgot there were two Skywalker

Double-post, whoops - it had to happen at some point!

@jaej - I missed your post as I submitted this at the same time and won't quote the whole thing, but I do agree with some of your points. I don't know if I'd go quite to the point of wondering if he has a real personality but a lot of what you say is valid. I do feel, even as a Phil stan, that we "know" Dan more, as well as we can know them that is.

NarrysCanary wrote:

PolarFox wrote:

NarrysCanary wrote:Okay so I was scrolling through stopphanproofing cause I was bored and I see that they reblogged this : http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... te-that-he, and apparently for them, the fact that he finds more woman attractive than he finds men attractive means that he leans more towards the "straightness" than the "gayness". That is the lamest excuse I have ever heard ( and once again people think that bisexuality is 50/50)

also interesting how the attraction tumblr made by people from here has way more male mentions.
Edit: it was Anakin Skywalker

The post was made by "festive-phandom" and people are telling her that they forgot some men like Leonardo DiCaprio or Zayn, and their answers are "seems I have forgotten a few oops"

Anakin, right, I forgot there were two Skywalker

I just don't understand these people, not matter how hard I try.

SquishPhan wrote: Yes to this. I don't know why Phil turning 30 is constantly brought up, like that is some magical number at which you suddenly have to start acting a certain way apparently.

the moment phil turns 30 he will wake up married with grey hair, a house, two dogs, a botanical garden of his own, his interests will consist of taxes and his retirement plan and his only hobbies knitting and waiting for death.
i seriously think i should leave the internet for a whole week before phils next birthday... i cant....

Ticia wrote:I really can't see how it can be considered appealing for children (not teen or preteen, children) videos like "Caspar joins the Philluminati", "I destroyed my house" or "Another sleepless night with Phil", or his love for Pokémon and anime (only us 90' kids were in the Pokémon trend, imo), or his cheese hate, or ahem moments like the one in my signature, but that's just my opinion. Dan's the one with a Spongebob header and an Internet Support Group where 10 years old send him e-mails, just saying, and it doesn't even cross our minds he may be seen as a man-child in the pejorative meaning it may be used with Phil.

At the end of the day, they both have the same type of fans in their M&G, and I would dare to say Phil fans tend to be of an older age.

Age doesnt mean anything for me personally but i wonder what the person that wrote that tumblr post bashing phil and the people that think he is/will start looking creepy because of his age think about dan.
I mean he is not exactly getting younger, he is 25. maybe his soft(did i really use "soft" ) face will help him get a couple more years than phil..
20 and 25? i get why people treat them differently but 25 and 30? they are almost at the same point in their lifes (phil just gets that serious looking 3 on front, 25 and 29 sounds better??) Do they find one creepy and not the other?? lol...

jaej wrote: he ruins every video he's in for me and takes away from every situation he's in.

we can just agree to disagree(we should have done it 6 months ago tbh), its not getting anywhere.
i just had to quote this sentence. This is exactly how i feel about dan. Thats all

There's obviously nothing wrong with Phil wanting more privacy and being less willing to share his personal life/opinions with his audience, but it does have an impact, I think, on how close his audience feels to him. It's funny because the creator-fan relationship on Youtube is kind of seen as much closer/realer than that of traditional media, but Phil seems to have a more traditional-media relationship with his fans in the sense that he's a bit more 'removed'.
IDK it's obviously Phil's choice but I wish he would just open up a little bit

sorry for the double post but i had to at myself:

danphil333 wrote:

jaej wrote: he ruins every video he's in for me and takes away from every situation he's in.

we can just agree to disagree(we should have done it 6 months ago tbh), its not getting anywhere.
i just had to quote this sentence. This is exactly how i feel about dan. Thats all

Who are you and what have you done with the real jaeg333?!

sunday wrote:
Also danphil333 and jaej I don't think I've ever encountered such extreme only-Phil and only-Dan stans (admittedly I'm not that deep in the tumblr/twitter fandoms). I am genuinely surprised, I thought for most invested fans they were a package deal. Did you guys ever come across that saying "you are the company you keep"? Dan and Phil are best friends or are they lovers? lmao, so... why don't you trust their judgment of each other? Like, if Phil likes Dan enough to live with him for 5 years maybe there's something in Dan you're not seeing danphil333? And vice versa jaej? This isn't meant to be an attack I'm genuinely curious in your thoughts. (But feel free to ignore me haha)

Tfw I've almost started psychoanalysing IDB members. I've gone meta

i watched phil for like a year and a half before dan even started posting, i used to love his content and him. now i genuinely can't because i just cannot stand his content and everything he does is -content-, nothing is just him anymore. id like to say i trust dans judgement but some of phils own statements are just so... off putting. i dislike him for his content seperately from why i dislike him as a person. i dislike his content because i find it dull, i dislike him because i find him dull and the sort of person i would avoid massively. the sort of person you spend 8 months trying to get to know and when it finally gets somewhere they say that, like, they're so glad you're not one of those dumb vapid people that go to clubs and like rap music
i can't really see anything good about him to back up dans statements tbh. if he shows it, ill happily accept it! but he doesn't for me. so i'll continue to give up on collabs 40 seconds in when he repulses. hey, at least i barely post about what he does since i don't watch his video or want to find something petty to complain about in his tweets every other day

Also danphil333 and jaej I don't think I've ever encountered such extreme only-Phil and only-Dan stans (admittedly I'm not that deep in the tumblr/twitter fandoms). I am genuinely surprised, I thought for most invested fans they were a package deal. Did you guys ever come across that saying "you are the company you keep"? Dan and Phil are best friends or are they lovers? lmao, so... why don't you trust their judgment of each other? Like, if Phil likes Dan enough to live with him for 5 years maybe there's something in Dan you're not seeing danphil333? And vice versa jaej? This isn't meant to be an attack I'm genuinely curious in your thoughts. (But feel free to ignore me haha)

Tfw I've almost started psychoanalysing IDB members. I've gone meta

sunday: thats actually the only reason i still have any doubts and hopes about dan

I agree that Phil is less likely to share, well, anything, but i disagree that he doesn't come off as a multidimensional human. I see a lot of insecurity in his behaviour, especially in professional settings like in interviews. I also see it in Dan, but in professional settings, where he has a purpose, he seems to hide it better. In social settings, Phil seems to be more comfortable just making small talk, while Dan doesn't know what to do.

The difference is that he doesn't deliberately show it in his content, videos, tweets etc., so he seems a bit robotic, but i still see it. Weather that's my imagination is another story

I'm also in the camp of people who think AP is childish, though it's not because of the absence of swearing etc (does anyone actually believe that? I always thought it was just the easiest to explain reason), neither is it because of the topics that he choses to make his videos about. For me it's his whole demeanour, his body language and his voice in videos, but i'm also aware that those are subjective for me

I'm annoyed with both of them for how much they overact their personas (i'm sorry for using the p-word), but moreso with Phil, because it feels less natural with him, like more of an act, while i can actually imagine Dan being so loud and obnoxious in some situations. I also really dislike AP at this point, but like Phil as a person, so obviously there is a huge difference in my mind (And i don't doubt that AP is a part of Phil, and i liked it in older videos. What gets me is the overacting. I think someone called them persona versions from hell or something, very accurate! Again, it bothers me in both cases, but with Phil more than with Dan).

And his age isn't relevant for me. I'm pushing 30 myself and am nowhere near settled down or mature. And as someone said, lots of adults work as entertainers for kids and nobody calls it creepy. I can maybe see why it would be different with someone who makes the entertainment from his bedroom and is seen as more of a friend by his viewers than tv presenters, but it's still quite ridiculous i think. It's not like he invites his viewers to his home. They keep pretty strict boundaries with fans and don't even hug them right.

[offtopic]I think that's why i don't want to meet them. The only thing i would want from them is a hug, but a real one. And i think it would seriously freak them out if someone at a m&g, or anywhere, just smothered them with a bear hug [/offtopic]

And i know i'm WAY late for this, but regarding Dan's comment about youtube being all he has: Someone already suggested that he counts the book/tour as part of his youtube career and i just wanted to agree with this. I'm quite sure that he consideres all of that as part of what he does on youtube, hence how he said (almost 2 years ago) he wanted to focus more on youtube after the weekly radioshow ended. He did, just not on his videos.

sunday wrote: Also danphil333 and jaej I don't think I've ever encountered such extreme only-Phil and only-Dan stans (admittedly I'm not that deep in the tumblr/twitter fandoms). I am genuinely surprised, I thought for most invested fans they were a package deal. Did you guys ever come across that saying "you are the company you keep"? Dan and Phil are best friends or are they lovers? lmao, so... why don't you trust their judgment of each other? Like, if Phil likes Dan enough to live with him for 5 years maybe there's something in Dan you're not seeing danphil333? And vice versa jaej? This isn't meant to be an attack I'm genuinely curious in your thoughts. (But feel free to ignore me haha)

Whoops I deleted that part of my comment in the original post because I didn't want to bother either of you after it seemed like you were done talking about it, but thanks for responding!

jaej wrote: i can't really see anything good about him to back up dans statements tbh. if he shows it, ill happily accept it!

danphil333 wrote: thats actually the only reason i still have any doubts and hopes about dan

So potentially still hope in the future for a jaej333 wedding

danphil333 wrote:

jaej wrote: he ruins every video he's in for me and takes away from every situation he's in.

we can just agree to disagree(we should have done it 6 months ago tbh), its not getting anywhere.
i just had to quote this sentence. This is exactly how i feel about dan. Thats all

Who needs Phan when you have this.

There is a small step from love to hate you know (fuck it, I still ship it)

Id still love less breakfast tweets, Phil


I also have to agree with danphil333, the world isn't going to change just because Phil turns 30 next year nor probably is Phil. He might (probably) want to change something and move on in life, but it's not like "30!? I HAS TO DO SO MUCH THIS INSTANT".

sunday wrote:There's obviously nothing wrong with Phil wanting more privacy and being less willing to share his personal life/opinions with his audience, but it does have an impact, I think, on how close his audience feels to him. It's funny because the creator-fan relationship on Youtube is kind of seen as much closer/realer than that of traditional media, but Phil seems to have a more traditional-media relationship with his fans in the sense that he's a bit more 'removed'.
IDK it's obviously Phil's choice but I wish he would just open up a little bit

You worded this perfectly, I feel exactly the same way, especially about YT celebrities being "closer" to their audience or at least making their audience feel closer.

awaiting the results of the final DvP: youtube longevity deathmatch to settle this debate once and for all

achika wrote:Some more (video) support of the post-show no fringe topic discussed a couple of pages back

Also am I imagining things but is this girl just randomly hanging out in front of their bus? Drake where you at!

dan's hobbit hair and quiff combo
i agree though what the hell is she doing there dan was very quick to dismiss her.
"can i get a video with you quickly?" "yeah of course, QUICKLY "

hiddenwombat wrote: dan's hobbit hair and quiff combo
i agree though what the hell is she doing there dan was very quick to dismiss her.
"can i get a video with you quickly?" "yeah of course, QUICKLY "

I know, his hair looked amazing!! She shouldn't have been there but at least she was being calm and the tweet was just like "thank you" so honestly I give her props. There are 10000 other girls who would've been screaming and crying.

The_Blonde wrote:

Breatherepeat wrote:And I beg of you people, stop saying "Phil is almost 30" like it is some kind of automatic thing that sends him into old age and retirement. He already seems settled down. He is not a man child or stuck in his teens. He is just an odd duck in a pond of traditional ducks and nontraditional ducks making a living off of a hobby that turned into a career. And because he is an odd duck, he stands out a little bit more. Not better. Not worse. Just different. And to quote Dan, "And that's okay."

As someone who is a few months younger than Phil (and also an odd duck) I completely agree. There's no age limit on when you should stop being yourself or liking the things that you like (if that's the case then I'll be spending most of my 30th birthday throwing my belongings out and deleting my entire hard-drive ) - it makes me sad when I see comments on his videos (more and more since his most recent birthday) of fans saying they can't believe he's nearly thirty etc. I hope they don't feel that they somehow have to change themselves when they get to that grand old age!

(this is all fairly hypocritical as I was too scared to go to TATINOF last year because I thought I was too old but there you go )

I think the thing is though that 30 is seen as a milestone birthday to most people, and the connotation that comes with it is that yeah, bye bye 20s it's time to grow up a bit. I know for me when I was a teenager I always thought 30 was really old (and now I'm in my 30s I realise how wrong I was lol)

But I really don't think Phil is this creepy Peter Pan type person, I don't think he's childish because I can recognise what he's actually done with his life, there's no way he would be able to cope with being self employed and organising his fairly busy and quite accomplished life etc if he as vapid as it seems to be suggested, The man has an advanced degree and I think he deserves a bit more respect than he sometimes gets TBF.

biatchqueen wrote:

The_Blonde wrote:

Breatherepeat wrote:And I beg of you people, stop saying "Phil is almost 30" like it is some kind of automatic thing that sends him into old age and retirement. He already seems settled down. He is not a man child or stuck in his teens. He is just an odd duck in a pond of traditional ducks and nontraditional ducks making a living off of a hobby that turned into a career. And because he is an odd duck, he stands out a little bit more. Not better. Not worse. Just different. And to quote Dan, "And that's okay."

As someone who is a few months younger than Phil (and also an odd duck) I completely agree. There's no age limit on when you should stop being yourself or liking the things that you like (if that's the case then I'll be spending most of my 30th birthday throwing my belongings out and deleting my entire hard-drive ) - it makes me sad when I see comments on his videos (more and more since his most recent birthday) of fans saying they can't believe he's nearly thirty etc. I hope they don't feel that they somehow have to change themselves when they get to that grand old age!

(this is all fairly hypocritical as I was too scared to go to TATINOF last year because I thought I was too old but there you go )

I think the thing is though that 30 is seen as a milestone birthday to most people, and the connotation that comes with it is that yeah, bye bye 20s it's time to grow up a bit. I know for me when I was a teenager I always thought 30 was really old (and now I'm in my 30s I realise how wrong I was lol)

But I really don't think Phil is this creepy Peter Pan type person, I don't think he's childish because I can recognise what he's actually done with his life, there's no way he would be able to cope with being self employed and organising his fairly busy and quite accomplished life etc if he as vapid as it seems to be suggested, The man has an advanced degree and I think he deserves a bit more respect than he sometimes gets TBF.

I think what this whole thing comes down to is that some youtube fans want to view their favorite youtuber as a person they 'know' rather than an entertainer, and dislike that Phil is very content just being an entertainer and not a 'best friend' replacement figure. Though I'm still slightly baffled by the concept that not talking about favorite movies and tv shows would make someone a childish and/or non-complex person. Nor do I see how Dan talking about entertainment makes him a deeper or more complex person, especially given how carefully cultivated the media he mentions are. He talks about what he thinks his audience wants to hear about. Phil is just less inclined to do that if what his audience wants to hear about aren't things he actually likes. Dan and Phil are equally reserved in different ways, on different topics. (As someone else said, we know a whole lot more about Phil's family and he shares them with us in a way Dan never will.)

Aged 25 and under viewers might have responded better to Phil when he was in uni/still struggling to 'find himself' and making content that wasn't career oriented for the same reason they like Dan more now. When life seems daunting and you feel confused about your place in it, watching someone successful who talks about the same things that scare you can be gratifying. The fact that Phil is past those kinds of struggles and seems very settled into himself and comfortable/confident with his place in life doesn't make him childish, it actually makes him appear way more grown up imo.

Ticia wrote:I really can't see how it can be considered appealing for children (not teen or preteen, children) videos like "Caspar joins the Philluminati", "I destroyed my house" or "Another sleepless night with Phil", or his love for Pokémon and anime (only us 90' kids were in the Pokémon trend, imo), or his cheese hate, or ahem moments like the one in my signature, but that's just my opinion. Dan's the one with a Spongebob header and an Internet Support Group where 10 years old send him e-mails, just saying, and it doesn't even cross our minds he may be seen as a man-child in the pejorative meaning it may be used with Phil.

At the end of the day, they both have the same type of fans in their M&G, and I would dare to say Phil fans tend to be of an older age.

extremely offtopic, extremely subjective, and pointless sharing of an observation regarding a single throw-away comment you made

What is suddenly up with all the people on Tumblr drawing and talking about Dan wearing dresses. This is the nail polish thing all over again, although Dan has never even hinted at wanting to wear dresses. Like if he wants to do it, than by all means fine, but I find this whole imposing people’s wishes all on Dan a bit strange. It seems like people have now appointed Dan as the one who should be breaking down gender roles and I’m not really sure why.
So far at seems like just a phandom thing and that is more than okay, I just hope it stays that way and people aren’t going to tweet Dan and ask/harass him about it.

^ I have no idea but I noticed that, SquishPhan. The "pastel/punk" trend is really confusing to me tbh. I have no idea where it came from but people are eating it up.

SquishPhan wrote:although Dan has never even hinted at wanting to wear dresses .

DITL Manchester..

fancybum wrote:

SquishPhan wrote:although Dan has never even hinted at wanting to wear dresses .

DITL Manchester..

yes! haha.

it probably got popular again for some reason, SquishPhan, but I've seen people drawing dan in skirts for a long time (one particular post I can think of is a year or two old).

^ can yall link to that please?