Dan & Phil Part 88: orbit of uranus

[Tottrie]

Just doing a quick little thought dump.

Maybe dnp haven't discussed joint content because they didn't know what people would think about BIG.

What if people wasn't as happy as they were? I think to us it's obvious we would be, and I think dnp, after ii, also expected it in some way. But you can never be sure.

So maybe they said that they should just wait to plan anything until after they came out. Also not plan so Dan could just focus without any distraction.


I also agree with the idea that they want to be in control of the first joint video. If I know the phandom right we will watch that video under a microscope, analysing, and it will be chaos.

[Lobster]

The Final Google Feud seems like it could have been filmed in the post coming out universe. They both seem tired, but so relaxed and playful with one another. Their interactions in the video seem the most "married" that I can think of with these two. Sitting in each other's space, talking soft (and then obnoxious), rock/paper/scissors to get the food, Phil most likely slapping Dan's butt as he tells him to get the food, Dan getting mad and rough because Phil clicked without seeing the answers, Phil telling Dan to be quiet because they are in a hotel, Phil attempting All of Nothing and being shot down, etc. It has an "everyone knows we are so in love and we don't care; we are just going to be us" vibe. I can see this dynamic continuing with joint content. It is not direct but causal.

Also, at 4:23 Phil mentions a secret file on his computer with game show ideas. Could this be his mystery project? He has had many ideas brought to life in other medias. Bonus: Dan points to himself while they talk about what is in the secret file.

I loooove this video, I've watched it a lot. I totally agree that it seems like a PCOU video
This is the content that fuels me

[phandemonium]

The Google Feud video is so soft. That's exactly the content I hope for in the PCOU. I even love the pizza break in the middle.

[wiccamoody]

Phil's really jumped on that faceapp train huh. Listen I'm not asking for content bc whatever but mr amazing...even a simple sunset would be better than something everyone has been playing around with on your face all day.

[liola]

I'm kind of confused by the sentiment of a lot of people since the React video dropped. Just because people are sad/disappointed they didn't react together, it doesn't necessarily mean the same people think it must have a deeper meaning. Personally I found it sad because, a) it's something we've gotten used to and at first glance it's a change that we were not expecting and b) they simply work best together in this kind of setting, being able to bounce off each other.

As for the "not wanting FBE to be their first joint comeback" I do think that might be their line of thinking but also.. I don't necessarily consider a cameo on someone else's video a comeback? They posted a joint selfie at the beginning of June, they showed each other in their instagram stories - that's already content. It doesn't really make sense imo.

I also can't quite believe in 6 months they have never, EVER, spoken about what their content woudl look like once Dan posted. Im not saying they made grand plans, I'm saying a pure and simple conversation about their brand and how to proceed. While Dan's coming out video obviously took an enormous toll on him, I can't imagine the two of them never speaking about what they would do next. I'm sorry, that's not realistic in my opinion. I do agree that they havent had time to communicate it properly to us, between their coming out videos and Vidcon and now the trip - it shouldn't be a throwaway comment on a panel, or an information shared by only one of them, and I understand tht they haven't properly had time to sit down and make a liveshow/a video to announce it (although, I'm actually not sure that would be the route they would go with but I'm at the point where I expect anything from them).

However, while I sympatize with them and particularly Dan for trying to handle his mental health over the hiatus, we can't say their lack of communication is anything new. They're shit at it, always have been, it's my main complain when it comes to how they act professionally. My opinion on that hasn't changed - they're professionals, they have managers, they're business owners - they need to know how to address their "consumers" questions and concerns and they haven't done it - for 6 months. On an emotional level, I understand and my heart is filled with love for them both - but on the professional side of it, they should have done better.

And my final point about Joint Content: I think there's a vast difference in how people interpret this term. Costant joint content ™, posted regularly and being as important as their main channels, like it has been since 2014? No, I don't think that's going to happen. I would want nothing more to be proved wrong though!
Do I think they're NEVER going to post videos together, ever again? No, I think that will eventually happen, but I don't think it's going to be the focus. And I don't consider a video together once or twice a year the same joint content we've had for years. That's, in my opinion, what people mean when they say joint content isn't coming back.

Wow okay thoughts dump over lmao sorry for this

[livoy]

So looked like Dan was holding a camera in the background of Cornelia's latest IG story, could be just for taking photos but alsooo maybe filming?

[phandemonium]

I would disagree that it's not realistic for them to not have talked about it. While I imagine they might have mentioned it a few times to each other over the months, I have no trouble believing that they never sat down and talked about it at length necessary to provide us with more than what Phil told us so far. Dan procrastinates on stressful things until he considers himself in a place to handle them and Phil is an anxious person in general and there's quite a possibility that trying to figure out joint content was simply too much for them during the pre-coming out times.

So I do believe they don't have solid enough plans to talk about it publicly yet. "We haven't talked about it at all" might be a sliiight exaggeration but it sounds better in Q&A than "Every time we tried to talk about it, it got overwhelming because of circumstances and we decided to just ignore the issue for the time being." I can imagine them avoiding talking about it because that's exactly what I would do in their situation (anxiety person here).

Does their communication with us suck? Yeah. But in this case, I think I'd rather wait for them to come up with a solid plan and introduce it when it's done cooking. Like, imagine they currently have a shortlist of fifteen possible visions for the future of their solo and joint content... Would you want to see it before they settled on anything only for them to not go with the ideas you were excited about?

[hintatty]

So looked like Dan was holding a camera in the background of Cornelia's latest IG story, could be just for taking photos but alsooo maybe filming?

that story was sooo friggin cute, the four of them on holiday fills me with a lot of feelings

and as much as I wish they were vlogging, that camera looks way too heavy to be a vloggy camera

[GalaxyDarling]

honestly, why do they even do it, do they get paid? FBE is insufferable to me. I'm not even watching this one

Maybe they do get paid, and also the FBE videos used to get huge views (see here: https://www.youtube.com/user/TheFineBro ... &flow=grid), so it served as a promotional platform for everyone appearing in them.

was just watching an old Dan liveshow where he mentioned that he wanted to unfollow like 100 people on Twitter but was afraid of hurting their feelings.

I think the current Dan wants to distance himself from the people with who he only ever interacted for promotional purpose, e.g. TomSka.

[onemoresock]

I would disagree that it's not realistic for them to not have talked about it. While I imagine they might have mentioned it a few times to each other over the months, I have no trouble believing that they never sat down and talked about it at length necessary to provide us with more than what Phil told us so far. Dan procrastinates on stressful things until he considers himself in a place to handle them and Phil is an anxious person in general and there's quite a possibility that trying to figure out joint content was simply too much for them during the pre-coming out times.

I came here to say exactly this. I work ~11 hours a day in a small office with one other person and we still schedule times to sit down and talk about upcoming projects and plans, despite theoretically having 55 hours a week together where we could do that. I think it's only natural that even when you spend a lot of time with someone, you still might set aside dedicated time to talk about or plan something that requires planning (and that's the same for all things). Yes, they've probably spoken about it in passing, but that's absolutely not the same as actually sitting down to discuss what to do with an entire channel. I would imagine that's more of a 'let's get a cup of tea, get the laptop out and make some decisions' discussion. (That's not to say that I'm sure they don't also talk about work when they're watching tv/doing whatever but they obviously do sit down more "formally", so to speak, to plan things - realistically they'd need to in order to get work done, plus we know as much from A Week in the Life alone)

If Dan wasn't focusing on anything else until BIG was done, then I can't see them having that conversation before then and it's really, as others have pointed out, only been two weeks since Phil released his video so I can totally buy that they haven't had time or even necessarily considered it, beyond passing comments.

Idk, that aspect just isn't that hard to buy at all.

I do think they've clearly had some sort of discussion on putting a moratorium on joint content for the time being, though - and I'm curious as to their reasoning for that. I know we've been speculating that it's probably to do with still finding their footing / trying to work out how to act in this post coming out universe and I think that's probably likely.

All in all, I feel pretty chill about the whole thing.

Although it does pain me a little to think about how much hype there's going to be over the joint content return and if anything could truly live up to it.

[GalaxyDarling]

In fact, I don't think either of the boys want to become much more famous (anymore), because they certainly could milk the heck out of their relationship if they wanted to, but apparently they don't, so good for them.

[glitterintheair]

RE: Cornelia's ig story - I don't think they're vlogging mostly because Dan had the same camera during the Singapore trip and we didn't get any video out of it.

RE: Joint content - I'm gonna put my clown make-up on and say that I wanna trust Phil and what he said in the Q&A. He and Dan know that we love them together and Phil talked about the possibility of turning the gaming channel into something else and I wanna think that he wouldn't have said that if regular joint content was over for good.

[GalaxyDarling]

Although it does pain me a little to think about how much hype there's going to be over the joint content return and if anything could truly live up to it.

That depends on what people are expecting to see from them. What are we expecting? Idk myself

[hintatty]

RE: Cornelia's ig story - I don't think they're vlogging mostly because Dan had the same camera during the Singapore trip and we didn't get any video out of it.

Do kind of wonder if they'll release another book/autobio or something? Dan's gotta be documenting this stuff for some reason, seems kind of crazy to have a good camera and just be chucking all of the stuff they've documented onto a computer to gather dust, especially when he has an audience of people who would probably be interested in the things he has to share.

Would be pretty cool to see a deep dive into stuff that's happened over the last ten years. Could deffo just drop something like that without any real warning, too

[liola]

I would disagree that it's not realistic for them to not have talked about it. While I imagine they might have mentioned it a few times to each other over the months, I have no trouble believing that they never sat down and talked about it at length necessary to provide us with more than what Phil told us so far. Dan procrastinates on stressful things until he considers himself in a place to handle them and Phil is an anxious person in general and there's quite a possibility that trying to figure out joint content was simply too much for them during the pre-coming out times.

I came here to say exactly this. I work ~11 hours a day in a small office with one other person and we still schedule times to sit down and talk about upcoming projects and plans, despite theoretically having 55 hours a week together where we could do that. I think it's only natural that even when you spend a lot of time with someone, you still might set aside dedicated time to talk about or plan something that requires planning (and that's the same for all things). Yes, they've probably spoken about it in passing, but that's absolutely not the same as actually sitting down to discuss what to do with an entire channel. I would imagine that's more of a 'let's get a cup of tea, get the laptop out and make some decisions' discussion. (That's not to say that I'm sure they don't also talk about work when they're watching tv/doing whatever but they obviously do sit down more "formally", so to speak, to plan things - realistically they'd need to in order to get work done, plus we know as much from A Week in the Life alone)

If Dan wasn't focusing on anything else until BIG was done, then I can't see them having that conversation before then and it's really, as others have pointed out, only been two weeks since Phil released his video so I can totally buy that they haven't had time or even necessarily considered it, beyond passing comments.

Idk, that aspect just isn't that hard to buy at all.

I do think they've clearly had some sort of discussion on putting a moratorium on joint content for the time being, though - and I'm curious as to their reasoning for that. I know we've been speculating that it's probably to do with still finding their footing / trying to work out how to act in this post coming out universe and I think that's probably likely.

All in all, I feel pretty chill about the whole thing.

Although it does pain me a little to think about how much hype there's going to be over the joint content return and if anything could truly live up to it.

I'm confused, what's so different about what I said? I literally said I don't mean they sat down and made grand plans, but realistically they MUST have talked about it in 6 months, even in passing, even a casual "do you still wanna film together after it" "yes/not sure/maybe we'll see". Their decision making process has always been a TOGETHER kinda thing - they planned to come out the same month, they helped each other produce their coming out videos, they talked about merch releases (since they also help each other with promotional pics). Do you really think in 6 months of not just working together, living together, owning a business together, helping each other with content production - even if just talking it out - neither of them talked about what's next? No, I'm sorry, that doesn't sound like them to me.

Also, when I say communicate to us I dont mean they have to share with us their draft plans or ideas (althogh I would love that, yes). I just mean "yes, we know you have questions - we don't have a clear answer yet but we will let you know. No it's not all gone". Simple and clean and professional for the kind of setting they work with. Even just acknoledging that people have questions is good - like Phil did in the Q&A when he KNEW that question about the gaming channel was popular. It's not a good look to ignore your audience, on a professional look - on an emotional level, again, I get it, on the other hand I can't help but expect more from two people as business savvy as them.


Cornelia's IG Story

[phandemonium]

But... They said in the last gaming video pretty much exactly that, that this sort of content is going on an indefinite hiatus and they don't know yet when and how it'll return. That they didn't say anything since then except Phil's Q&A mention of the gaming channel signals to me that that's the status quo. Phil literally responded to the question last week and there's no reason to assume they'd come to a better conclusion since then...

[onemoresock]

I'm confused, what's so different about what I said? I literally said I don't mean they sat down and made grand plans, but realistically they MUST have talked about it in 6 months, even in passing, even a casual "do you still wanna film together after it" "yes/not sure/maybe we'll see". Their decision making process has always been a TOGETHER kinda thing - they planned to come out the same month, they helped each other produce their coming out videos, they talked about merch releases (since they also help each other with promotional pics). Do you really think in 6 months of not just working together, living together, owning a business together, helping each other with content production - even if just talking it out - neither of them talked about what's next? No, I'm sorry, that doesn't sound like them to me.

Also, when I say communicate to us I dont mean they have to share with us their draft plans or ideas (althogh I would love that, yes). I just mean "yes, we know you have questions - we don't have a clear answer yet but we will let you know. No it's not all gone". Simple and clean and professional for the kind of setting they work with. Even just acknoledging that people have questions is good - like Phil did in the Q&A when he KNEW that question about the gaming channel was popular. It's not a good look to ignore your audience, on a professional look - on an emotional level, again, I get it, on the other hand I can't help but expect more from two people as business savvy as them.


Cornelia's IG Story

Ah, ok, I must have misread - I'm so sorry! Although I definitely didn't mean that haven't spoken about the future or made any decisions at all, just that I specifically can still see them really not having made any decisions either way yet about what they want to do with the gaming channel and that's the message Phil conveyed in his Q&A. Dan spoke about the gaming channel specifically in his panel as one of the reasons why he felt so strongly about taking a break at the start of this year. I can see why they'd maybe not do any work on that even whilst doing other things like IRL and whatever else they've been doing. That's just my feeling though.

I'm sure they already know that they still want to film together/work together, but that conversation doesn't specifically have to be about the gaming channel. I feel like Phil made it clear that the gaming channel wasn't going anywhere, just that they didn't know what it was going to be going forward.

Cornelia's IG story made me feel so soft. Someone on tumblr isolated the sound to show that Dan was asking Phil if he was sleepy and honestly... I'm soft.

[liola]

But... They said in the last gaming video pretty much exactly that, that this sort of content is going on an indefinite hiatus and they don't know yet when and how it'll return. That they didn't say anything since then except Phil's Q&A mention of the gaming channel signals to me that that's the status quo. Phil literally responded to the question last week and there's no reason to assume they'd come to a better conclusion since then... Maybe they need a "joint update pending" scheduled daily tweet...

That was 6 months ago. They used the word hiatus, even joked about comparing it to One Direction and Fall Out Boys - not good examples. They have a history of trying to soften the blow when ending projects, which is what makes their audience not trust them.

There are rules when it comes to professional communication and PR,: know your audience, know what to say, say it consistently and be sure the message has been heard. They haven't done that, which is what I've been criticizing. Also, this isn't about the gaming channel per se (I've been saying I don't think it's coming back as gaming for months) it's about the state of their endevours as a double act, which has been an establishment for years now.

If you're okay with the information we've been given, good on you, but people being critical of dnp is still valid (and it doesn't mean there's no love or understanding for them as people)

[hintatty]

Cornelia's IG story made me feel so soft. Someone on tumblr isolated the sound to show that Dan was asking Phil if he was sleepy and honestly... I'm soft.

I suspect my coworkers think I've lost my mind in the last few weeks because I've literally had to just stop working for a few moments to cover my face with my hands. I need a minute. Jesus Christ. I know you don't see everything that goes on behind closed doors but the way they love each other is so insanely lovely to witness. Why does no one love me like this

[phandemonium]

I'm sorry. You're right, the critique is valid and I didn't mean to be a jerk about it.

I simply struggle to imagine HOW they could communicate about it in a way that wouldn't simply make things worse, especially if they don't have a definite plan. I guess they could occasionally answer a questioning tweet with "we are still figuring it out" but I think after the third time, it'd start sounding fake regardless.

I don't know why I haven't been following Cornelia before now because she brings the best content.

[Susanisnotafish]

Cornelia's IG story made me feel so soft. Someone on tumblr isolated the sound to show that Dan was asking Phil if he was sleepy and honestly... I'm soft.

Does anyone have a link for this?

[onemoresock]

Cornelia's IG story made me feel so soft. Someone on tumblr isolated the sound to show that Dan was asking Phil if he was sleepy and honestly... I'm soft.

Does anyone have a link for this?

here you go

[noodlebum]

But... They said in the last gaming video pretty much exactly that, that this sort of content is going on an indefinite hiatus and they don't know yet when and how it'll return. That they didn't say anything since then except Phil's Q&A mention of the gaming channel signals to me that that's the status quo. Phil literally responded to the question last week and there's no reason to assume they'd come to a better conclusion since then...

To be fair, that was in a liveshow not a video, so not everyone is going to have seen that. I agree there could have been a tweet just to say the same that they said in the liveshow, maybe on the gaming channels twitter account, so those who don't watch every liveshow/go on forums/watch panels, are a bit more aware of what's going on.

Sorry if I mostly come in to ask people to maybe try to have opinions without insulting other people, but like, smart people sometimes enjoy vapid entertainment.

I know this was about reaction videos, but this is how I feel about youtube in general. I go on there for lighthearted fun (old vine compilations are always in my watch later playlist! )

Anyway, I'm wondering if like someone else said a couple of pages ago, that Dan isn't interested in doing the fun/silly videos anymore, and wants to be more serious with his videos and Youtube career. But the days of halloween baking, pastel edits, not-my-arms challenges and general DnP silliness/fun might be over?

Which is fair enough as they're getting older and probably want to try new things, but is quite sad if so. I like lighthearted escapism more than serious business, just personally. I can't see Phil wanting to do too much serious stuff though, he likes his videos to be a happy fun area of the internet. Phil saying they might use the gaming channel for something else/other things makes me believe joint stuff will definitely come back, but might have to be prepared for a proper new DnP chapter. Growing up would be a good thing, but still keeping it fun and entertaining (and more than twice a year) I hope!

Also thank you for that link to the sound-isolated IG story, I look forward to watching it at lunch

[phandemonium]

But... They said in the last gaming video pretty much exactly that, that this sort of content is going on an indefinite hiatus and they don't know yet when and how it'll return. That they didn't say anything since then except Phil's Q&A mention of the gaming channel signals to me that that's the status quo. Phil literally responded to the question last week and there's no reason to assume they'd come to a better conclusion since then...

To be fair, that was in a liveshow not a video, so not everyone is going to have seen that. I agree there could have been a tweet just to say the same that they said in the liveshow, maybe on the gaming channels twitter account, so those who don't watch every liveshow/go on forums/watch panels, are a bit more aware of what's going on.

That's actually a good point, I didn't realize that had been in a liveshow rather than the video itself. You're right, a tweet might have been a little better... I think the assumption is that these information are relevant mostly to that portion of the audience that does engage with the extra material but perhaps that assumption is faulty.

[Phanshy]

Sorry it's blurry