Dan & Phil Part 35: knock knock, who’s there, i hate you

[Phantasy]

@9:51 "Earlier we taught Louise what a furry is..."
Poor Louise, she was probably traumatized by that afternoon.

[majitzu]

Seriously ... seriously 3 pages of furry discussion smh

Phil's twitter moments is cute

Here my faves

Hope he gets one more of this for his birthday

I still need answers

Give him a dog

I have to thank Phil for all the Dan photos he provides

Also Phil liked this and now i feel i need to have the cute deppy plushies

January Calendar pic

[Birdie]

The twitter moments are really nice. I haven't seen half of the tweets before because my twitter timeline is so full I miss half the tweets from the people I'm really interested in. I think I agree with you on the favourites. The granny face swap one is also priceless but kind of terrifying at the same time.

[silverwinter]

THIS FURRY DISCUSSION HAS GOTTEN SO OUT OF HAND I AM LIVING

Seriously. It was only entertaining for a minute. I have nothing to add about their furry references.

I am more inclined to say that Louise is not really Dan's friend. Unless we are using the word friend for every person more than an acquintance. She is more of an office mate who you hangout with at work. But once work is over, you barely contact each other. I can't really explain it but for me their relationship is purely professional. It's just that Dan is comfortable with Louise similar to his relationship with Tomska.

definitely agree with this last paragraph. tbh most youtubers seem like they're just "work friends" - louise, tyler, cat, felix (even tho dan wishes it was more than that with him lol). the only youtuber i can see them being actual friends with - the kind that hang out outside of work-related things and have had a consistently strong friendship - is pj. and they don't really hang out much anymore, do they? and i guess bryony, but she hasn't been a youtuber for years.

[sweetmm]

Seriously ... seriously 3 pages of furry discussion smh

Phil's twitter moments is cute

Here my faves

Hope he gets one more of this for his birthday

I still need answers

Give him a dog

I have to thank Phil for all the Dan photos he provides

Also Phil liked this and now i feel i need to have the cute deppy plushies

January Calendar pic

Its a continuation of his BONCA's speech where he acknowledges Dan as being a major part of his life

Phil does not say much but his actions speak louder than Dan's constant #1 trash talk

[majitzu]

Seriously ... seriously 3 pages of furry discussion smh

Phil's twitter moments is cute

Here my faves

Hope he gets one more of this for his birthday

I still need answers

Give him a dog

I have to thank Phil for all the Dan photos he provides

Also Phil liked this and now i feel i need to have the cute deppy plushies

January Calendar pic

Its a continuation of his BONCA's speech where he acknowledges Dan as being a major part of his life

Phil does not say much but his actions speak louder than Dan's constant #1 trash talk

Yeahh it make me feel all fluffy inside when I saw it in the morning

[sweetmm]

THIS FURRY DISCUSSION HAS GOTTEN SO OUT OF HAND I AM LIVING

Seriously. It was only entertaining for a minute. I have nothing to add about their furry references.

I am more inclined to say that Louise is not really Dan's friend. Unless we are using the word friend for every person more than an acquintance. She is more of an office mate who you hangout with at work. But once work is over, you barely contact each other. I can't really explain it but for me their relationship is purely professional. It's just that Dan is comfortable with Louise similar to his relationship with Tomska.

definitely agree with this last paragraph. tbh most youtubers seem like they're just "work friends" - louise, tyler, cat, felix (even tho dan wishes it was more than that with him lol). the only youtuber i can see them being actual friends with - the kind that hang out outside of work-related things and have had a consistently strong friendship - is pj. and they don't really hang out much anymore, do they? and i guess bryony, but she hasn't been a youtuber for years.

Yeah Peej is their only IRL friend who is a youtuber currently; I do think Dan struggles to develop not only friendship but even close acquaintances amongst the youtubers. Even within his own management circle, I think the only person he can talk to is Tomska. I do think he used the gamingmas excuse to bail the party early. However I do think Cat is a friend eventhough she may be closer to Phil due to the long history between them, moreover Phil seems to trust Cat and this will rub on Dan.

I also noticed the openly gay British youtuber such as Jimmy and Doug are pretty chummy with Phil, however Dan seems to stay clear of them. Is it because he wished not to be associated with them?

I recently watched back the periscope that Evan took at the BONCA and what amused me is when Phil came up the stage and Evan immediately said (something like) "That's the brain". It made me wonder if the London youtube community regards as Beauty & Brain, and if so how it affects Dan (assuming he is aware).

[charlottekath]

*cough* Also, just a little reminder that Dan has a shrine in his bedroom where most items are related to an anthropomorphic character, Rytlock. *cough*

Being part of the furry fandom doesn't necessarily mean wearing a fursuit 24/7. We don't know if he is interested and what kind of interest he has. Who knows, maybe jokes, onesies, furry mentions, his shrine- all of those things are hints of something. Sadly, the furry fandom is one of the most stigmatized, so I can totally see his jokes as a way to deal with this topic.

Completely agree with this, I mean in the past Dan as struggled intensely with issues surrounding stigmatization of sexuality, its taken him so long to get to point he is now (hi 2012! dan, completely unable to acknowledge some points of his personality) whowever when he does it tends to be humor led. No idea if he is furry/interest in fandom/some kind of animal play, likely we will never know but if humour in past has helped him just get more comfortable parts of him im more for more of this topic.

[PhilsEyelash]

I also noticed the openly gay British youtuber such as Jimmy and Doug are pretty chummy with Phil, however Dan seems to stay clear of them. Is it because he wished not to be associated with them?

Maybe he just doesn't want to have people making assumptions. Also never underestimate the power of social anxiety to keep someone from being chummy.



I sound like the Dan defense force. I swear I'm not...

[secretagentphan]

THIS FURRY DISCUSSION HAS GOTTEN SO OUT OF HAND I AM LIVING

Seriously. It was only entertaining for a minute. I have nothing to add about their furry references.

I am more inclined to say that Louise is not really Dan's friend. Unless we are using the word friend for every person more than an acquintance. She is more of an office mate who you hangout with at work. But once work is over, you barely contact each other. I can't really explain it but for me their relationship is purely professional. It's just that Dan is comfortable with Louise similar to his relationship with Tomska.

definitely agree with this last paragraph. tbh most youtubers seem like they're just "work friends" - louise, tyler, cat, felix (even tho dan wishes it was more than that with him lol). the only youtuber i can see them being actual friends with - the kind that hang out outside of work-related things and have had a consistently strong friendship - is pj. and they don't really hang out much anymore, do they? and i guess bryony, but she hasn't been a youtuber for years.

Yeah Peej is their only IRL friend who is a youtuber currently; I do think Dan struggles to develop not only friendship but even close acquaintances amongst the youtubers. Even within his own management circle, I think the only person he can talk to is Tomska. I do think he used the gamingmas excuse to bail the party early. However I do think Cat is a friend eventhough she may be closer to Phil due to the long history between them, moreover Phil seems to trust Cat and this will rub on Dan.

I also noticed the openly gay British youtuber such as Jimmy and Doug are pretty chummy with Phil, however Dan seems to stay clear of them. Is it because he wished not to be associated with them?

I recently watched back the periscope that Evan took at the BONCA and what amused me is when Phil came up the stage and Evan immediately said (something like) "That's the brain". It made me wonder if the London youtube community regards as Beauty & Brain, and if so how it affects Dan (assuming he is aware).

Looks: Dan
Brains: Phil
Wildcard: Chris
Muscle: Pj
(Under the spoiler because not only is it a useless post but also extremely outdated (this post belongs in like 2012 yikes)

[fancybum]

I also noticed the openly gay British youtuber such as Jimmy and Doug are pretty chummy with Phil, however Dan seems to stay clear of them. Is it because he wished not to be associated with them?

Maybe he just doesn't want to have people making assumptions. Also never underestimate the power of social anxiety to keep someone from being chummy.



I sound like the Dan defense force. I swear I'm not...

Wait what kinds of assumptions would people make that Dan would care about?

And mostly baseless speculation on my part: Doug just seems really boring and I don't think Jimmy likes Dan all that much. They just happen to share management with Doug and talk to him at work events
I don't get the impression any of them are all that chummy on an actual personal level. And #Phimmy is just a beautiful dream.

[captainspacecoat]

I think it's really difficult to make assumptions about their friendships/not-friendships. I don't think we can say with any confidence how close dnp are to Louise, one way or the other. To me, they seem to get along well and have a lot of chemistry with her. Whether that's because they're genuinely good friends or just that they're essentially coworkers who get along but don't necessarily make an effort outside of a work context remains to be seen. Having said that, they have hung out with Louise several times outside of work, and I'm sure there's a lot that goes on between them that we have no idea about.

Regarding Doug, Jimmy etc, I'd just guess that Phil knows them better as he was friends with them in the early days of YouTube. I doubt it's because Dan is afraid that "people will make assumptions" if he hangs out with them, he's better than that. I'd just guess he genuinely doesn't know them as well, coupled with being a bit socially anxious/awkward.

[secretagentphan]

I also noticed the openly gay British youtuber such as Jimmy and Doug are pretty chummy with Phil, however Dan seems to stay clear of them. Is it because he wished not to be associated with them?

Maybe he just doesn't want to have people making assumptions. Also never underestimate the power of social anxiety to keep someone from being chummy.



I sound like the Dan defense force. I swear I'm not...

Wait what kinds of assumptions would people make that Dan would care about?

And mostly baseless speculation on my part: Doug just seems really boring and I don't think Jimmy likes Dan all that much. They just happen to share management with Doug and talk to him at work events
I don't get the impression any of them are all that chummy on an actual personal level. And #Phimmy is just a beautiful dream.

Yeah plus I feel like Dan's one of those people who doesn't seek people out you know not including "stalk him until he loves you though Like I feel like if they tried to make a connection with him he'd be polite but he's not about to approach people (same Dan). I've always respected Dan for that in a way because both him and Phil aren't really youtube whores (excuse my language) when it comes to piggybacking off of other youtubers and collabs. I think that's mostly because they get used a lot though which is kind of sad.

also I'm so stupidly proud of my signature omg someone stop me

[mermaid blood]

uh, Jimmy's been openly talking about his attraction to Dan since at least last year

[momoroki]

I recently watched back the periscope that Evan took at the BONCA and what amused me is when Phil came up the stage and Evan immediately said (something like) "That's the brain". It made me wonder if the London youtube community regards as Beauty & Brain, and if so how it affects Dan (assuming he is aware).

This is interesting - however I don't think the YT community sees Dan as the "beauty" as such (although he is,, quite a beauty). I just think that Phil is the one who comes up with a lot of ideas behind the scenes - whether it be for D+P themselves or the entire YT community *cough* 7secondchallenge *cough* tumblrtag

Either that, or it could be a reference to Puppet Master!Phil theory which I think was discussed in gg once and is my favourite conspiracy theory to date

[secretagentphan]

I recently watched back the periscope that Evan took at the BONCA and what amused me is when Phil came up the stage and Evan immediately said (something like) "That's the brain". It made me wonder if the London youtube community regards as Beauty & Brain, and if so how it affects Dan (assuming he is aware).

This is interesting - however I don't think the YT community sees Dan as the "beauty" as such (although he is,, quite a beauty). I just think that Phil is the one who comes up with a lot of ideas behind the scenes - whether it be for D+P themselves or the entire YT community *cough* 7secondchallenge *cough* tumblrtag

Either that, or it could be a reference to Puppet Master!Phil theory which I think was discussed in gg once and is my favourite conspiracy theory to date

Ooooh I vaguely remember reading this but completely forget. Please explain this theory if you don't mind

[PhilsEyelash]

Wait what kinds of assumptions would people make that Dan would care about?

well "hey buddy you in london" became a meme for months so...it seems to me that literally anything he does / anyone he talks to can become meme material. anything from phan!divorce bc he's talking to another man or idk...it just seems like things can quickly become fraught with drama in dan-world unlike teflon phil

[momoroki]

I recently watched back the periscope that Evan took at the BONCA and what amused me is when Phil came up the stage and Evan immediately said (something like) "That's the brain". It made me wonder if the London youtube community regards as Beauty & Brain, and if so how it affects Dan (assuming he is aware).

This is interesting - however I don't think the YT community sees Dan as the "beauty" as such (although he is,, quite a beauty). I just think that Phil is the one who comes up with a lot of ideas behind the scenes - whether it be for D+P themselves or the entire YT community *cough* 7secondchallenge *cough* tumblrtag

Either that, or it could be a reference to Puppet Master!Phil theory which I think was discussed in gg once and is my favourite conspiracy theory to date

Ooooh I vaguely remember reading this but completely forget. Please explain this theory if you don't mind

Ahhhh I wish I had taken screenshots, because it was a real good discussion all in all, but I only vaguely remember the theory too.
But basically it was saying how Phil is one to manipulate behind the scenes/come up with ideas for the D+P brand. The forum also went pretty into depth analysing how Phil was a very good liar as he can hide his emotions really well (which I found fascinating - unfortunately I'm not willing to sift through the entirety of the gg forum to find it)

Also how he reacted to the voldy video situation - went undercover copyrighting it to clear everything up like a true "puppetmaster" lol

The reason I love this theory so much is because it's kind of absurd to think of Phil as some manipulative mastermind but it's also rooted in truth not to mention it provides fuel for a lot of speculation

[mermaid blood]

i think the mastermind theory lost a lot of steam though post tatinof/tabinof.

it's fun to think about in a fictional sort of way, but we don't really have that much concrete evidence. even going back to SAP and radioshow they were coming up with content for both.

i do think dan suffers from sexism and objectification (from peers and fans) that isn't taken seriously being that he's male, even Phil addressed it (rather forcefully) in a 2012 joint liveshow asking the viewers if they only watched him 'for his face'. but it seems tempered with opinions showing respect for them being the first youtubers to do something as huge as radio with the BBC, and an original stage production and book when others were taking distant/manufactured/ghost created approaches.

ps. if anyone wants Jimmy's mentions of attraction to Dan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GLvmF_ ... el=felucca
3.48 - 6.02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgtUAx ... CerealTime
5.25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UujlBK ... helsandJim
9.19

there are two more but i can't find the links.

[Cora]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GLvmF_ ... el=felucca
3.48 - 6.02

Well that was...awkward.

[dannonfill]

ps. if anyone wants Jimmy's mentions of attraction to Dan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GLvmF_ ... el=felucca
3.48 - 6.02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgtUAx ... CerealTime
5.25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UujlBK ... helsandJim
9.19

there are two more but i can't find the links.

Here's another one @ 59s : https://youtu.be/4JYst_vKliM
just watched that this morning! small internet.

[RiriPandaHeart2]

All this talk about Jimmy mentioning attraction to Dan has got me wondering whether any Youtuber (or anyone really who is not part of the phandom) has mentioned being attracted to Phil before? It's just that we've heard attraction mentions about Dan a lot but I can't recall a single one about Phil. (P.s. Dan doesn't count. ) Thanks to anyone who'll reply.

[dontpanic]

i think the mastermind theory lost a lot of steam though post tatinof/tabinof.

it's fun to think about in a fictional sort of way, but we don't really have that much concrete evidence. even going back to SAP and radioshow they were coming up with content for both.

i do think dan suffers from sexism and objectification (from peers and fans) that isn't taken seriously being that he's male, even Phil addressed it (rather forcefully) in a 2012 joint liveshow asking the viewers if they only watched him 'for his face'. but it seems tempered with opinions showing respect for them being the first youtubers to do something as huge as radio with the BBC, and an original stage production and book when others were taking distant/manufactured/ghost created approaches.

ps. if anyone wants Jimmy's mentions of attraction to Dan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GLvmF_ ... el=felucca
3.48 - 6.02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgtUAx ... CerealTime
5.25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UujlBK ... helsandJim
9.19

there are two more but i can't find the links.

I've actually been wondering/thinking about this topic for a while, especially the part I bolded. I'm a bit too lazy atm to go find receipts (maybe I'll try tomorrow) but there seems to be a lot of instances where dan's discussed only in context of his looks, but in a different way than how most male youtubers are treated (at least from what I've noticed). please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not an avid fan of any other youtubers, but it seems youtubers don't focus on the looks of attractive male youtubers (only person I can think of is casper lee for some reason). they will obviously comment, but in a more typical "oh haha he's cute, he works out, he gets all the #ladies" type way.
Dan gets sexualized in a different way where, if he were a woman, would be seen as disgusting/offensive/I can't think of the right word. The only specific examples I can cite with certainty is the whole onion debacle (ugh), shane dawson's comments, and the vidcon laughing at/with us panel. in all three examples dan is objectified in a way no one else is in the videos.
the vidcon panel is a strong example of this--the crowds cheer louder for dan than the others, and the host automatically acts like the audience are fans of dan's appearence and not dan as a creator.
while it's not the only time shane discusses dan in a sexual way, in the vid where shane watches youtubers' first video, shane uses explicit sexual language to describe dan, and while he recycles a couple of the jokes to describe felix it's not treated the same way. in these situations people find dan's treatment fine/funny, while if someone like zoella was treated the exact same way it would be seen as extremely problematic.
Even in offhanded/quick comments dan's appearance is often what's mentioned. the only specific example I can cite off the top of my head is from the boncas vlog tomska made, where he shows how watch time was higher when dan and phil appeared. The only comment he made was how dan looked pretty i mean, he's not lying. this seems like it's not a big deal, but this is just one example of something that happens quite often.
I'm sorry, this has all prob been talked about before, and I can't even remember why i thought this would be worth talking about. although i do wonder why it's dan who's treated this way?

also i'm late but thank you all for #cardgate, this is the content I signed up for. and #furrygate 2.0 was a wild ride.

someone mentioned dan's Rytlock shrine as furry proof and, as a huge gw2 nerd, i love it. dan's otp is rytlock (a charr) and logan (a human) (it's an enemies to lovers cliche who wouldn't ship it), AND dan's said he's played as a charr (basically a wolf-like person), so technically dan could be considered a furry since he spends a ridiculous amount of time playing as an animal in an mmo
i feel like i need to mention that i don't actually think dan's a furry, i just find it amusing.

[lurker]

i think the mastermind theory lost a lot of steam though post tatinof/tabinof.

it's fun to think about in a fictional sort of way, but we don't really have that much concrete evidence. even going back to SAP and radioshow they were coming up with content for both.

i do think dan suffers from sexism and objectification (from peers and fans) that isn't taken seriously being that he's male, even Phil addressed it (rather forcefully) in a 2012 joint liveshow asking the viewers if they only watched him 'for his face'. but it seems tempered with opinions showing respect for them being the first youtubers to do something as huge as radio with the BBC, and an original stage production and book when others were taking distant/manufactured/ghost created approaches.

ps. if anyone wants Jimmy's mentions of attraction to Dan:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GLvmF_ ... el=felucca
3.48 - 6.02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBgtUAx ... CerealTime
5.25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-UujlBK ... helsandJim
9.19

there are two more but i can't find the links.

I've actually been wondering/thinking about this topic for a while, especially the part I bolded. I'm a bit too lazy atm to go find receipts (maybe I'll try tomorrow) but there seems to be a lot of instances where dan's discussed only in context of his looks, but in a different way than how most male youtubers are treated (at least from what I've noticed).

please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not an avid fan of any other youtubers, but it seems youtubers don't focus on the looks of attractive male youtubers (only person I can think of is casper lee for some reason). they will obviously comment, but in a more typical "oh haha he's cute, he works out, he gets all the #ladies" type way.
Dan gets sexualized in a different way where, if he were a woman, would be seen as disgusting/offensive/I can't think of the right word. The only specific examples I can cite with certainty is the whole onion debacle (ugh), shane dawson's comments, and the vidcon laughing at/with us panel. in all three examples dan is objectified in a way no one else is in the videos.
the vidcon panel is a strong example of this--the crowds cheer louder for dan than the others, and the host automatically acts like the audience are fans of dan's appearence and not dan as a creator.
while it's not the only time shane discusses dan in a sexual way, in the vid where shane watches youtubers' first video, shane uses explicit sexual language to describe dan, and while he recycles a couple of the jokes to describe felix it's not treated the same way. in these situations people find dan's treatment fine/funny, while if someone like zoella was treated the exact same way it would be seen as extremely problematic.
Even in offhanded/quick comments dan's appearance is often what's mentioned. the only specific example I can cite off the top of my head is from the boncas vlog tomska made, where he shows how watch time was higher when dan and phil appeared. The only comment he made was how dan looked pretty i mean, he's not lying. this seems like it's not a big deal, but this is just one example of something that happens quite often.
I'm sorry, this has all prob been talked about before, and I can't even remember why i thought this would be worth talking about. although i do wonder why it's dan who's treated this way?

also i'm late but thank you all for #cardgate, this is the content I signed up for. and #furrygate 2.0 was a wild ride.

someone mentioned dan's Rytlock shrine as furry proof and, as a huge gw2 nerd, i love it. dan's otp is rytlock (a charr) and logan (a human) (it's an enemies to lovers cliche who wouldn't ship it), AND dan's said he's played as a charr (basically a wolf-like person), so technically dan could be considered a furry since he spends a ridiculous amount of time playing as an animal in an mmo
i feel like i need to mention that i don't actually think dan's a furry, i just find it amusing.

i don't know if this has been discussed already either, but i think you made some interesting points. i also feel like this ties in with parts of their joint audience assuming/making comments about how dan has more subscribers because of his looks which is something i've read quite often with the intent of defending phil/wanting him to get more subscribers. i guess we can all agree that this is nonsense on many levels, but i suppose it's coming from the same place even if it's meant with a good intent.

[sentinel]

I've actually been wondering/thinking about this topic for a while, especially the part I bolded. I'm a bit too lazy atm to go find receipts (maybe I'll try tomorrow) but there seems to be a lot of instances where dan's discussed only in context of his looks, but in a different way than how most male youtubers are treated (at least from what I've noticed). please correct me if I'm wrong because I'm not an avid fan of any other youtubers, but it seems youtubers don't focus on the looks of attractive male youtubers (only person I can think of is casper lee for some reason). they will obviously comment, but in a more typical "oh haha he's cute, he works out, he gets all the #ladies" type way.
Dan gets sexualized in a different way where, if he were a woman, would be seen as disgusting/offensive/I can't think of the right word. The only specific examples I can cite with certainty is the whole onion debacle (ugh), shane dawson's comments, and the vidcon laughing at/with us panel. in all three examples dan is objectified in a way no one else is in the videos.
the vidcon panel is a strong example of this--the crowds cheer louder for dan than the others, and the host automatically acts like the audience are fans of dan's appearence and not dan as a creator.
while it's not the only time shane discusses dan in a sexual way, in the vid where shane watches youdatubers' first video, shane uses explicit sexual language to describe dan, and while he recycles a couple of the jokes to describe felix it's not treated the same way. in these situations people find dan's treatment fine/funny, while if someone like zoella was treated the exact same way it would be seen as extremely problematic.
Even in offhanded/quick comments dan's appearance is often what's mentioned. the only specific example I can cite off the top of my head is from the boncas vlog tomska made, where he shows how watch time was higher when dan and phil appeared. The only comment he made was how dan looked pretty i mean, he's not lying. this seems like it's not a big deal, but this is just one example of something that happens quite often.
I'm sorry, this has all prob been talked about before, and I can't even remember why i thought this would be worth talking about. although i do wonder why it's dan who's treated this way?

I absolutely agree, people treat him in an unacceptable way but get away with it because he is "a dude". Imagine if someone just came near Zoella and casually started grinding on her while she lookеd vaguely uncomfortable? There would be an outrage. I think Dan suffers a lot from people assuming that pretty = dumb and therefore Phil must be the brains behind the operation because he is ugly, therefore smart. This is however not helped by the "dan girls" who are subbed to him for his look and the accent, not because they find his content in any way interesting.
To me this is also a reason why he rarely bothers to form any sort of meaningful relationships with other youtubers, he comes with the preconceived notion that he is not smart and good only for his trusty legion of viewers and that's why he only ever collabs (on his channel) with people he is actually friends with (Tyler, Louise) or whose content he likes or just plain fancies COUGH (jack's gap, Connor Franta).