Dan & Phil Part 24: I got moist for you, Phil

[mysterylovescompany]

[offtopic]

I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean.

When I see someone say this, I'm always reminded of an observation from a person on either this forum or the other one:
Dan is a good actor, but a bad liar. Phil is a good liar, but a bad actor. Dan may be good at acting, but when it's coupled with lying, it falls apart. Phil may be good at lying, but when it's coupled with acting, it falls apart.

Case in point: Phil's famed "angry DMs" that could scare the living daylights out of anybody. And in regards to voldy: Phil stuck to one lie on Twitter; Dan tried to explain and explain and got caught in a web. [/offtopic]

[antigone]

I get that a few members of idb are bored but I don't see how this reflects their fans as a whole? The second book, tours, return of regular content seems to have made twitter/tumblr fans more active if anything They're sharing more now... random selfies on instagram and the like which as far as I can tell is creating more discussion and interaction.

Plus, the Pokemon Go hype has died so I can't expect them to be churning out too many more PGo vids unfortunately since those videos can't be getting loads of views. I think this is the reason they didn't get the same amount of views as quickly on the second vid compared to the first.

[alittledizzy]

I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean.

When I see someone say this, I'm always reminded of an observation from a person on either this forum or the other one:
Dan is a good actor, but a bad liar. Phil is a good liar, but a bad actor. Dan may be good at acting, but when it's coupled with lying, it falls apart. Phil may be good at lying, but when it's coupled with acting, it falls apart.

Case in point: Phil's famed "angry DMs" that could scare the living daylights out of anybody. And in regards to voldy: Phil stuck to one lie on Twitter; Dan tried to explain and explain and got caught in a web.

I generally agree with this, but I gotta say - Phil's 'oh shit, I fucked up' face when he is too caught off guard to lie is a blessing to us all. He's guilty of giving things away too, he just knows the value of moving on quickly and hoping people forget - and miraculously, they usually do. Whereas, as you said, Dan goes for overexplaining and it stands out more.

I get that a few members of idb are bored but I don't see how this reflects their fans as a whole? The second book, tours, return of regular content seems to have made twitter/tumblr fans more active if anything They're sharing more now... random selfies on instagram and the like which as far as I can tell is creating more discussion and interaction.

I don't think it reflects their fans as a whole at all. I think a lot of this is just fans romanticizing the past - and that works better if you force yourself to think the present is all doom and gloom and failure. Dan and Phil are at the top of their game, a few hundred fans who like to voice their opinions suddenly being bored of it isn't actually representative of much. Dan's videos still easily land in the 3-5 million mark, besides ISG (and fallout happens with just about any series, so I'm sure when posting one of those Dan is weighing video popularity with ease/lack of stress in making it) and Phil's are consistently at 1-2 million views.

They're both crushing the game in terms of subscriber to view ratio, no matter how much people want to shriek and point at falling stats. Their stats in the process of "failing" are a wet dream to most other youtubers. DAPG is even better in terms of ratio I think, they easily get half to a third of their number of subs in views. Their tweets and instagrams get more engagement this past year than they literally ever have, their book was one of the most popular youtuber books to date, their tour sold out venue sizes that most youtubers wouldn't dream of even trying to fill (and couldn't if they did try).

I think what most fans who are complaining want is for Dan and Phil to go back in time and remain the people who they were when those specific fans first fell in love with them, except more open/honest/out/insert whatever specific desire. That isn't going to happen, and there's nothing wrong with admitting your interest in something has waned - but it's not their responsibility to cater to the minority audience who just want them to be what they used to be, or want them to hit some ideal that's basically impossible. My only wish is that more newer, engaged fans would show up here so the cycle of 'here's why they're awful now' wouldn't be quite so long-lived every time it happens or there would be fresh perspective to it in the process of debating. Because I do love the conversations that make me look at their content in a new light, I find that really valuable as a critical viewer, but when you begin to realize that people are going to have the exact same complaints no matter what then it gets frustrating.

[fancybum]

Well we've got Phil's liveshow tomorrow (and I'm hoping for a gaming video or Phil video before/after that as they should have filmed this week, right?). Isn't some of the perceived deadness everywhere also somewhat attributable to school starting back up for a lot of viewers? Like it's kind of generally just a crap time of year (or am I just projecting).

ALSO their last radio show was in April so I'm pretending that a 6month period of time is somehow significant and (in addition to prepping for the YTRed releases) they're also busy getting their radio stuff sorted out for... October? The Teen Awards are Oct 23. My dreams aren't dead yet.

[corn flakes]

They need to plane their time better, their series on dapg are lasting too long, by now undertale should have ended and they have ignored their fans for far too long. I found other fandoms and frankly I'm over how they are dealing with the eu fans. By now they should be able to tell people if something is up or not. Like are they planning to tell people two weeks before? People have things to do in their life and money is an issue for some...school is starting for most here and with that it comes expenses.
The phandom is still strong but a better time planning would do them good.

[SquishPhan]

I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean.

When I see someone say this, I'm always reminded of an observation from a person on either this forum or the other one:
Dan is a good actor, but a bad liar. Phil is a good liar, but a bad actor. Dan may be good at acting, but when it's coupled with lying, it falls apart. Phil may be good at lying, but when it's coupled with acting, it falls apart.

Case in point: Phil's famed "angry DMs" that could scare the living daylights out of anybody. And in regards to voldy: Phil stuck to one lie on Twitter; Dan tried to explain and explain and got caught in a web.

I generally agree with this, but I gotta say - Phil's 'oh shit, I fucked up' face when he is too caught off guard to lie is a blessing to us all. He's guilty of giving things away too, he just knows the value of moving on quickly and hoping people forget - and miraculously, they usually do. Whereas, as you said, Dan goes for overexplaining and it stands out more.

Indeed, Dan is a bad liar, certainly worse than Phil. But even with Phil you can tell at times when he thinks he effed up, which is pretty funny.

I get that a few members of idb are bored but I don't see how this reflects their fans as a whole? The second book, tours, return of regular content seems to have made twitter/tumblr fans more active if anything They're sharing more now... random selfies on instagram and the like which as far as I can tell is creating more discussion and interaction.

I don't think it reflects their fans as a whole at all. I think a lot of this is just fans romanticizing the past - and that works better if you force yourself to think the present is all doom and gloom and failure. Dan and Phil are at the top of their game, a few hundred fans who like to voice their opinions suddenly being bored of it isn't actually representative of much. Dan's videos still easily land in the 3-5 million mark, besides ISG (and fallout happens with just about any series, so I'm sure when posting one of those Dan is weighing video popularity with ease/lack of stress in making it) and Phil's are consistently at 1-2 million views.

They're both crushing the game in terms of subscriber to view ratio, no matter how much people want to shriek and point at falling stats. Their stats in the process of "failing" are a wet dream to most other youtubers. DAPG is even better in terms of ratio I think, they easily get half to a third of their number of subs in views. Their tweets and instagrams get more engagement this past year than they literally ever have, their book was one of the most popular youtuber books to date, their tour sold out venue sizes that most youtubers wouldn't dream of even trying to fill (and couldn't if they did try).

I think what most fans who are complaining want is for Dan and Phil to go back in time and remain the people who they were when those specific fans first fell in love with them, except more open/honest/out/insert whatever specific desire. That isn't going to happen, and there's nothing wrong with admitting your interest in something has waned - but it's not their responsibility to cater to the minority audience who just want them to be what they used to be, or want them to hit some ideal that's basically impossible. My only wish is that more newer, engaged fans would show up here so the cycle of 'here's why they're awful now' wouldn't be quite so long-lived every time it happens or there would be fresh perspective to it in the process of debating. Because I do love the conversations that make me look at their content in a new light, I find that really valuable as a critical viewer, but when you begin to realize that people are going to have the exact same complaints no matter what then it gets frustrating.

Totally agree. And yes for some people their interest will wane and at one point they might stop watching , but in return there will be new fans. Such is the circle of fame.

[CallMeAyana]

[offtopic]

I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean.

When I see someone say this, I'm always reminded of an observation from a person on either this forum or the other one:
Dan is a good actor, but a bad liar. Phil is a good liar, but a bad actor. Dan may be good at acting, but when it's coupled with lying, it falls apart. Phil may be good at lying, but when it's coupled with acting, it falls apart.

Case in point: Phil's famed "angry DMs" that could scare the living daylights out of anybody. And in regards to voldy: Phil stuck to one lie on Twitter; Dan tried to explain and explain and got caught in a web. [/offtopic]

Though, this confuses me a bit, I have to agree. Couple an acting Dan with a lie, you get incoherent explanations, and couple a lying Phil with acting, you get an easy-to-read facial expressions.

i'm so bored with them rn tho, i hope the big thing that'll happen in 2-3 weeks gets me back in

I sometimes do not get people in the phandom, people complained about the drought during the USA tour, which I got. But now they are back to their back to posting quite a lot (certainly for them) and we have the live shows back and people are bored. I don't get it. What do you want from them? (genuine question)

They might be back, but the damage has already been done. I think the sudden dwindling interest in D&P and their content among fans is a direct result of all their droughts and bad planning (and predictability maybe). They 'allowed' people to stray and find other fandoms that could be more exciting than the phandom during the USA tour. So when D&P give us new content, which is often predictable like ISG or always the same kid of games on DAPG, people don't care as much as they used to.

This.

They need to plane their time better, their series on dapg are lasting too long, by now undertale should have ended and they have ignored their fans for far too long. I found other fandoms and frankly I'm over how they are dealing with the eu fans. By now they should be able to tell people if something is up or not. Like are they planning to tell people two weeks before? People have things to do in their life and money is an issue for some...school is starting for most here and with that it comes expenses.
The phandom is still strong but a better time planning would do them good.

And this.

I get that a few members of idb are bored but I don't see how this reflects their fans as a whole? The second book, tours, return of regular content seems to have made twitter/tumblr fans more active if anything They're sharing more now... random selfies on instagram and the like which as far as I can tell is creating more discussion and interaction.

I don't think it reflects their fans as a whole at all. I think a lot of this is just fans romanticizing the past - and that works better if you force yourself to think the present is all doom and gloom and failure. Dan and Phil are at the top of their game, a few hundred fans who like to voice their opinions suddenly being bored of it isn't actually representative of much. Dan's videos still easily land in the 3-5 million mark, besides ISG (and fallout happens with just about any series, so I'm sure when posting one of those Dan is weighing video popularity with ease/lack of stress in making it) and Phil's are consistently at 1-2 million views.

They're both crushing the game in terms of subscriber to view ratio, no matter how much people want to shriek and point at falling stats. Their stats in the process of "failing" are a wet dream to most other youtubers. DAPG is even better in terms of ratio I think, they easily get half to a third of their number of subs in views. Their tweets and instagrams get more engagement this past year than they literally ever have, their book was one of the most popular youtuber books to date, their tour sold out venue sizes that most youtubers wouldn't dream of even trying to fill (and couldn't if they did try).

I think what most fans who are complaining want is for Dan and Phil to go back in time and remain the people who they were when those specific fans first fell in love with them, except more open/honest/out/insert whatever specific desire. That isn't going to happen, and there's nothing wrong with admitting your interest in something has waned - but it's not their responsibility to cater to the minority audience who just want them to be what they used to be, or want them to hit some ideal that's basically impossible. My only wish is that more newer, engaged fans would show up here so the cycle of 'here's why they're awful now' wouldn't be quite so long-lived every time it happens or there would be fresh perspective to it in the process of debating. Because I do love the conversations that make me look at their content in a new light, I find that really valuable as a critical viewer, but when you begin to realize that people are going to have the exact same complaints no matter what then it gets frustrating.

[Winston]

[offtopic]I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean?[/offtopic]

I love this. Dan always says he doesn't like having conversations with random people but Phil is perfectly comfortable starting up conversations with randoms while out. I think that that is part of this. When acting your prepared for what is coming next, you don't have to keep your own emotions in check because they aren't your emotions. Dan needs to prepare for interactions where Phil who can keep a poker face in almost all situations has no problem. Aside from that one ls have we seen Phil break? I would love to see it. We have a lot of examples of Dan unable to keep himself in check but Phil...? I want that compilation plz. I pity the person who plays poker with Phil, but would love to play aqgainst Dan, he would lose 80% of the time.

[antigone]

I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean.

When I see someone say this, I'm always reminded of an observation from a person on either this forum or the other one:
Dan is a good actor, but a bad liar. Phil is a good liar, but a bad actor. Dan may be good at acting, but when it's coupled with lying, it falls apart. Phil may be good at lying, but when it's coupled with acting, it falls apart.

Case in point: Phil's famed "angry DMs" that could scare the living daylights out of anybody. And in regards to voldy: Phil stuck to one lie on Twitter; Dan tried to explain and explain and got caught in a web.

I generally agree with this, but I gotta say - Phil's 'oh shit, I fucked up' face when he is too caught off guard to lie is a blessing to us all. He's guilty of giving things away too, he just knows the value of moving on quickly and hoping people forget - and miraculously, they usually do. Whereas, as you said, Dan goes for overexplaining and it stands out more.

I get that a few members of idb are bored but I don't see how this reflects their fans as a whole? The second book, tours, return of regular content seems to have made twitter/tumblr fans more active if anything They're sharing more now... random selfies on instagram and the like which as far as I can tell is creating more discussion and interaction.

I don't think it reflects their fans as a whole at all. I think a lot of this is just fans romanticizing the past - and that works better if you force yourself to think the present is all doom and gloom and failure. Dan and Phil are at the top of their game, a few hundred fans who like to voice their opinions suddenly being bored of it isn't actually representative of much. Dan's videos still easily land in the 3-5 million mark, besides ISG (and fallout happens with just about any series, so I'm sure when posting one of those Dan is weighing video popularity with ease/lack of stress in making it) and Phil's are consistently at 1-2 million views.

They're both crushing the game in terms of subscriber to view ratio, no matter how much people want to shriek and point at falling stats. Their stats in the process of "failing" are a wet dream to most other youtubers. DAPG is even better in terms of ratio I think, they easily get half to a third of their number of subs in views. Their tweets and instagrams get more engagement this past year than they literally ever have, their book was one of the most popular youtuber books to date, their tour sold out venue sizes that most youtubers wouldn't dream of even trying to fill (and couldn't if they did try).

I think what most fans who are complaining want is for Dan and Phil to go back in time and remain the people who they were when those specific fans first fell in love with them, except more open/honest/out/insert whatever specific desire. That isn't going to happen, and there's nothing wrong with admitting your interest in something has waned - but it's not their responsibility to cater to the minority audience who just want them to be what they used to be, or want them to hit some ideal that's basically impossible. My only wish is that more newer, engaged fans would show up here so the cycle of 'here's why they're awful now' wouldn't be quite so long-lived every time it happens or there would be fresh perspective to it in the process of debating. Because I do love the conversations that make me look at their content in a new light, I find that really valuable as a critical viewer, but when you begin to realize that people are going to have the exact same complaints no matter what then it gets frustrating.

I 100% agree and this is why I roll my eyes when people say "D+P need to take notice that their fans are losing interest" when I feel the exact opposite, for the reasons you mention. Just because a few posters don't feel as devoted to them or their content, it doesn't mean that their fan base as a whole is losing interest when they are in fact probably more interested and devoted than ever.

[offtopic]Unrelated but I also feel obliged to mention that Onision uploaded the result of the Dan fanart contest. I won't link the video because nothing of note was said but the fanart honestly wasn't that invasive or gross, at least to me, compared to what's come out of Shane Dawson's mouth about Dan lol

I promise I'll try not to mention Onision again I know you guys hate it, the video just keeps coming up on my recommended :'([/offtopic]

[melon lord]

I saw some on twitter and my skin crawled like a shar pei. So either he deliberately chose mild ones to make it seem like "lol see not a big deal" or... I honestly don't know he's just a waste of space.

[Lurktacularr]

I have no idea if this is completely off-topic since the thread is (kinda) all over the place right now, but.. it's better safe than sorry, right?
It's kinda ironic on how Dan's the better actor yet he can't keep his emotions in check (like.. we can read him like an open book.. most of the time, anyways), while Phil is.. not really that great of an actor, but he still manages to keep a stoic face every. damn. time. ..You know what I mean?

I love this. Dan always says he doesn't like having conversations with random people but Phil is perfectly comfortable starting up conversations with randoms while out. I think that that is part of this. When acting your prepared for what is coming next, you don't have to keep your own emotions in check because they aren't your emotions. Dan needs to prepare for interactions where Phil who can keep a poker face in almost all situations has no problem. Aside from that one ls have we seen Phil break? I would love to see it. We have a lot of examples of Dan unable to keep himself in check but Phil...? I want that compilation plz. I pity the person who plays poker with Phil, but would love to play aqgainst Dan, he would lose 80% of the time.

Two great points bolded here.

Bolded point number 1: you just hit the nail on the head. Dan can't conceal his own genuine emotions, but he can fake new ones. Phil's the opposite. So Dan can act bit can't conceal for shit, and Phil can conceal but can't act for shit.

Bolded point number 2: you're so right, and the absolute BEST example of this is in that vlog of Cat's where they're playing that 'who's the spy?' game and Dan is so sure it isn't Phil, but then it is even Dan can't read him when he doesn't already know the truth! Dan's so mortified about it, questioning his whole existence, and its hilarious. Link because I'm feeling less lazy than usual today:



Starts generally around 7 min mark, but the bit at 8:00 is incredible

edit - all aboard the struggle bus, I had to edit this like a million times just for it to make sense

[antigone]

I saw some on twitter and my skin crawled like a shar pei. So either he deliberately chose mild ones to make it seem like "lol see not a big deal" or... I honestly don't know he's just a waste of space.

It's a matter of opinion tbh I mean they were pretty gross but I guess I'm useless because I've seen worse, and I think the comments Shane made about Dan were way worse. A lot of the fanart he exhibited was just awful (the video was in general) so it wasn't too bad, it's just the concept in general is pretty disgusting.

I'll just leave that part bolded lool, people pls don't come at me for mentioning onion lol

Bolded point number 2: you're so right, and the absolute BEST example of this is in that vlog of Cat's where they're playing that 'who's the spy?' game and Dan is so sure it isn't Phil, but then it is even Dan can't read him when he doesn't already know the truth! Dan's so mortified about it, questioning his whole existence, and its hilarious. Link because I'm feeling less lazy than usual today:



Starts generally around 7 min mark, but the bit at 8:00 is incredible

edit - all aboard the struggle bus, I had to edit this like a million times just for it to make sense

I love that little clip omg thanks for sharing it! I also love the clip where she says "I'm sure they're looking forward to having the flat to themselves" (paraphrasing) and D+P just look so awkward. I've always found their relationship with Cat quite awkward tbh, it's great

[fancybum]

It's a matter of opinion tbh I mean they were pretty gross but I guess I'm useless because I've seen worse, and I think the comments Shane made about Dan were way worse. A lot of the fanart he exhibited was just awful (the video was in general) so it wasn't too bad, it's just the concept in general is pretty disgusting.

Where does Shane come into this though? Does everybody get a pass for subhuman behaviour as long as we can point to someone worse?

[Artdefines06]

I get that a few members of idb are bored but I don't see how this reflects their fans as a whole? The second book, tours, return of regular content seems to have made twitter/tumblr fans more active if anything They're sharing more now... random selfies on instagram and the like which as far as I can tell is creating more discussion and interaction.

Plus, the Pokemon Go hype has died so I can't expect them to be churning out too many more PGo vids unfortunately since those videos can't be getting loads of views. I think this is the reason they didn't get the same amount of views as quickly on the second vid compared to the first.

This

Also, I don't think youtube will let them go that easily lol. Maybe they aren't worried because they are about to be much more in the public eye with the Tatinof release. There is a billboard near my house in Los Angeles always has youtubers on it, like superwomans thing and scare pewdiepie etc. I am quite excited I might get a DnP billboard to see on my way to class everyday. The video will probably be on the homepage of youtube and the Red library for a while, giving them lots of exposure.

About being a fan/losing interest after a few months of less content...I would personally watch if the only thing they did was pinof once a year, like dhmis lol, and a large portion of their content is rewatchable and still makes me laugh. They have never really posted often that I can see, even when they weren't touring. Not compared to the daily vloggers or other gaming channels that put out several videos a day at least.

Also, this may sound strange, but I follow them not to see their content, but to see how they are doing as people? Like how is their health, are they sleeping enough? What are their views on this game or that place? Where are they going today? I imagine this is what having a pen pal felt like before the internet lol. (or it could be because I love the sims so much I just like to see how people live)

[antigone]

It's a matter of opinion tbh I mean they were pretty gross but I guess I'm useless because I've seen worse, and I think the comments Shane made about Dan were way worse. A lot of the fanart he exhibited was just awful (the video was in general) so it wasn't too bad, it's just the concept in general is pretty disgusting.

Where does Shane come into this though? Does everybody get a pass for subhuman behaviour as long as we can point to someone worse?

Nah I'm using it as an example of why I'm kind of useless at judging this. Also 'subhuman' is a bit far

I get that a few members of idb are bored but I don't see how this reflects their fans as a whole? The second book, tours, return of regular content seems to have made twitter/tumblr fans more active if anything They're sharing more now... random selfies on instagram and the like which as far as I can tell is creating more discussion and interaction.

Plus, the Pokemon Go hype has died so I can't expect them to be churning out too many more PGo vids unfortunately since those videos can't be getting loads of views. I think this is the reason they didn't get the same amount of views as quickly on the second vid compared to the first.

This

Also, I don't think youtube will let them go that easily lol. Maybe they aren't worried because they are about to be much more in the public eye with the Tatinof release. There is a billboard near my house in Los Angeles always has youtubers on it, like superwomans thing and scare pewdiepie etc. I am quite excited I might get a DnP billboard to see on my way to class everyday. The video will probably be on the homepage of youtube and the Red library for a while, giving them lots of exposure.

About being a fan/losing interest after a few months of less content...I would personally watch if the only thing they did was pinof once a year, like dhmis lol, and a large portion of their content is rewatchable and still makes me laugh. They have never really posted often that I can see, even when they weren't touring. Not compared to the daily vloggers or other gaming channels that put out several videos a day at least.

Also, this may sound strange, but I follow them not to see their content, but to see how they are doing as people? Like how is their health, are they sleeping enough? What are their views on this game or that place? Where are they going today? I imagine this is what having a pen pal felt like before the internet lol. (or it could be because I love the sims so much I just like to see how people live)

Thanks for elaborating on my post, I agree!

I think a lot of people feel like you in that last paragraph, I don't particularly enjoy their content too much anyway. It's their personality and dynamic that keeps me watching

[melon lord]

I love that little clip omg thanks for sharing it! I also love the clip where she says "I'm sure they're looking forward to having the flat to themselves" (paraphrasing) and D+P just look so awkward. I've always found their relationship with Cat quite awkward tbh, it's great

I still find Cat sooooo awkward and bland, ngl. I can't tell what she has in common with them apart from... games? like I remember back then when she became friends with them and we were all like "how did this happen" cause I don't even think she plays the same types of games as they do and she just kind of exists?

Lowkey think her and Phil are close though like damn they are practically glued together in all the clips

[fancybum]

It's a matter of opinion tbh I mean they were pretty gross but I guess I'm useless because I've seen worse, and I think the comments Shane made about Dan were way worse. A lot of the fanart he exhibited was just awful (the video was in general) so it wasn't too bad, it's just the concept in general is pretty disgusting.

Where does Shane come into this though? Does everybody get a pass for subhuman behaviour as long as we can point to someone worse?

Nah I'm using it as an example of why I'm kind of useless at judging this. Also 'subhuman' is a bit far

For Greg? How so?

[antigone]

I love that little clip omg thanks for sharing it! I also love the clip where she says "I'm sure they're looking forward to having the flat to themselves" (paraphrasing) and D+P just look so awkward. I've always found their relationship with Cat quite awkward tbh, it's great

I still find Cat sooooo awkward and bland, ngl. I can't tell what she has in common with them apart from... games? like I remember back then when she became friends with them and we were all like "how did this happen" cause I don't even think she plays the same types of games as they do and she just kind of exists?

Lowkey think her and Phil are close though like damn they are practically glued together in all the clips

Oh yeah I don't particularly like her, her vlogs just provide some funny clips lol. Her and Phil seem like good friends but her and Dan don't seem to get along too much Maybe they wouldn't be as close as they seem if they lived in the same country.

It's a matter of opinion tbh I mean they were pretty gross but I guess I'm useless because I've seen worse, and I think the comments Shane made about Dan were way worse. A lot of the fanart he exhibited was just awful (the video was in general) so it wasn't too bad, it's just the concept in general is pretty disgusting.

Where does Shane come into this though? Does everybody get a pass for subhuman behaviour as long as we can point to someone worse?

Nah I'm using it as an example of why I'm kind of useless at judging this. Also 'subhuman' is a bit far

For Greg? How so?

This is getting OT from D+P but I personally just feel like asking for compromising fanart isn't subhuman just gross, fans do it with self-insert fanfic and I find that uncomfortable, not horrifically immoral. He is their colleague which does make it worse but I still don't think what he has done is criminal, just pretty disgusting. Exaggerations about this kind of behaviour just seem to make worse actions appear not as bad as they actually are (poor wording soz I can't think of how else to phrase it). I get that Onision has done other stuff but I don't know enough about that to comment. perhaps this should go on an onision thread

[confusedpanda]

They're really going all out for a sim wedding. I love it!! Also I'm assuming since they're filiming it now, we'll be getting it ether tomorrow or Monday!

[antigone]

They're really going all out for a sim wedding. I love it. Also I'm assuming since they're filiming it now, we'll be getting it ether tomorrow or Monday!

I've had it, I hate Dan's eyebrows

[Artdefines06]

I'm shocked, I really expected a filler episode where dil goes to work again for a few days before the wedding. Is it weird that I genuinely am excited, like my heart rate went up and I bounced a little? Sims weddings are always crazy with npc clothing choices, strange behavior, and game glitches. I just hope they don't rush through it

[melon lord]

They're really going all out for a sim wedding. I love it!! Also I'm assuming since they're filiming it now, we'll be getting it ether tomorrow or Monday!

Damn those cutie patooties I'm so excited for the wedding. More so than if I had my own, tbh

[000dia000]

I have to admit, dressing up fancy for a fictional, digital characters wedding is a strange blend for me between cringe and adorable. I suppose looking at it from an entertainment purpose it has it's reason though I had to resist the urge to cringe into a fetal position of "why are they like this?"

Idk about you guys but I'm pretty excited

[ravenreyes]

They're really going all out for a sim wedding. I love it!! Also I'm assuming since they're filiming it now, we'll be getting it ether tomorrow or Monday!

i just saw this on twitter and it's kind of adorable.
also i'm weirdly excited for the video, especially since sims weddings can get very interesting sometimes lmao.

[NarrysCanary]

They're really going all out for a sim wedding. I love it!! Also I'm assuming since they're filiming it now, we'll be getting it ether tomorrow or Monday!

Them getting suited up for their fictional son makes me want to unsubscribe. They're disgusting. I'm looking forward this video though !