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Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:07 pm**

(Double post, sorry)

eevee wrote: I'm not saying don't share your negative opinions, I'm more saying why continue to watch Dan if all the content disappoints you? And I'm seriously wondering what people want from him if this isn't it. It wasn't a rhetorical question. I invite everyone to answer it, I would love to know.

I know I made a post that was quite negative so that must be what you were referencing.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:16 pm**

Katka wrote: Sexuality discussion: I also agree that sexuality doesn’t need to be a big deal but I also think it’s an important part of who we are. It probably depends on the person how important your sexuality is to you though. So I agree, it doesn’t have to be a big deal. But I totally understand why people, especially lgbtq people, want to talk about their experiences. And since we live in a world in which discrimination is still pretty prevalent, online spaces like this one where people can share their stories and their excitement about a favourite celeb representing them are very important and I hate when people try to silence that or even want to take it away all together (no one on here did that of course but it’s a common thing to happen on message boards).

I mean, of course Dan is a complex person and not defined by whether he’s lgbtq or not. But being excited about him being this comfortable with his sexuality after all this time doesn’t equate to reducing him to it, I think. The thing is I’ve been watching Dan for years now. I started watching in early 2013 or something, when he was very much trying to appear straight. So seeing how far he’s come and how comfortable he is now is just really nice, so I was super excited when the diss track came out and I was excited last night. Not really because “omg, Dan isn’t straight, I hope he becomes The Non-Straight Youtuber now and never talks about anything else again” but more because I’m happy he’s comfortable enough to do this kind of thing now. Let’s be honest, this time last year he wouldn’t have made this video. He wasn’t quite there yet. He is now and that’s awesome. (Also it just makes my little queer heart very happy how casually he approached the topic. I'm making a big deal out of him not making a big deal. But I can't help it, I love that.)

This is me trying to write a short post by the way. Why do I even try?

it makes more sense when you put it like this. i guess personally my main worry for responses to the video wasnt so much homophobia (in 2017 its much less overt and much more low key and to do with erasing identities on the internet which is of course much better) but excessively pointing it out to the point of fetishisation and making it a huuuuge thing in a sort of intrusive and staring at an animal in a zoo way if that makes any sense. that just spooks me slightly
thats not to say that people who are much more confident when their sexuality is a big part of their identity any less valid or brave yno
basically whatever makes you personally more comfortable is the best for you, obvs

[offtopic]now if youll excuse me frickin radiohead oknotok holy crap im in heaven[/offtopic]

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:19 pm**

(Triple post, I'm so, so sorry everyone)

captainspacecoat wrote: However, I do think it's very possible that the 'gay chicken' moment may have contributed to his reasoning behind privating it. I mean, it may mostly be because he found the video as a whole to be cringeworthy/not up to standard, but given that he's left up a lot of other poor quality videos as well as several other Truth or Dare videos (I think? Or did he delete them all? Can't be assed to check) you may well be right that he now thinks of that particular moment as being in poor taste.

Now that I think of it, wouldn't the chicken moment be a technical moment of queer bait? I can see how him privating that and his recent mention of Yuri on Ice show how much he has changed of a person and how self-aware he probably is of how his sexuality and relationship with Phil can be perceived, if he rewatches something like that.

Honestly, it astounds me how much his video has "surprised' people. I guess that some people are finally taking this at face value and are accepting it as fact? Also, that I guess sexuality is always a novelty for everybody. Straight people find it exotic/controversial ( not all) and gay people(umbrella term) might want representation and speak about it so much?

It's kind of ironic, how many times I see "Dan doesn't want to come out because he doesn't want to be defined by his sexuality" when it is literally the only thing I ever see discussed about him. Whenever I see randomers mention Dan/Phil on the internet they either say how " gay" they look, or how "crazy" their shippers are for thinking they're together. There's no peace. Society's fixation on sexuality can be so messed up.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:24 pm**

000dia000 wrote:Honestly, it astounds me how much his video has "surprised' people. I guess that some people are finally taking this at face value and are accepting it as fact? Also, that I guess sexuality is always a novelty for everybody. Straight people find it exotic/controversial ( not all) and gay people(umbrella term) might want representation and speak about it so much?

I think that's it. And I think this won't be the last time we get this reaction; people set their own bar for what counts as coming out for someone else, if it isn't explicit. There are people in phandom who have already determined that nothing Dan alludes to in a video should count as confirmation of his sexuality, so I don't know what it'll take for the other shoe to drop for them.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:30 pm**

cherrybomb3 wrote:
Katka wrote:
Sexuality discussion: I also agree that sexuality doesn’t need to be a big deal but I also think it’s an important part of who we are. It probably depends on the person how important your sexuality is to you though. So I agree, it doesn’t have to be a big deal. But I totally understand why people, especially lgbtq people, want to talk about their experiences. And since we live in a world in which discrimination is still pretty prevalent, online spaces like this one where people can share their stories and their excitement about a favourite celeb representing them are very important and I hate when people try to silence that or even want to take it away all together (no one on here did that of course but it’s a common thing to happen on message boards).

I mean, of course Dan is a complex person and not defined by whether he’s lgbtq or not. But being excited about him being this comfortable with his sexuality after all this time doesn’t equate to reducing him to it, I think. The thing is I’ve been watching Dan for years now. I started watching in early 2013 or something, when he was very much trying to appear straight. So seeing how far he’s come and how comfortable he is now is just really nice, so I was super excited when the diss track came out and I was excited last night. Not really because “omg, Dan isn’t straight, I hope he becomes The Non-Straight Youtuber now and never talks about anything else again” but more because I’m happy he’s comfortable enough to do this kind of thing now. Let’s be honest, this time last year he wouldn’t have made this video. He wasn’t quite there yet. He is now and that’s awesome. (Also it just makes my little queer heart very happy how casually he approached the topic. I'm making a big deal out of him not making a big deal. But I can't help it, I love that.)

This is me trying to write a short post by the way. Why do I even try?

it makes more sense when you put it like this. i guess personally my main worry for responses to the video wasnt so much homophobia (in 2017 its much less overt and much more low key and to do with erasing identities on the internet which is of course much better) but excessively pointing it out to the point of fetishisation and making it a huuuuge thing in a sort of intrusive and staring at an animal in a zoo way if that makes any sense. that just spooks me slightly
thats not to say that people who are much more confident when their sexuality is a big part of their identity any less valid or brave yno
basically whatever makes you personally more comfortable is the best for you, obvs

Agreed. I don't have much more to say but I think that's a good addition to my post. Like, being happy someone is finally comfortable in their skin and so on is one thing, fetishisation is a whole different story. But I think people on here know the difference. The phandom as a whole... not so much. When I ventured into the tumblr tag I saw a lot of ugly stuff.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 3:58 pm**

000dia000 wrote:(Triple post, I'm so, so sorry everyone)
captainspacecoat wrote: However, I do think it's very possible that the 'gay chicken' moment may have contributed to his reasoning behind privating it. I mean, it may mostly be because he found the video as a whole to be cringeworthy/not up to standard, but given that he's left up a lot of other poor quality videos as well as several other Truth or Dare videos (I think? Or did he delete them all? Can't be assed to check) you may well be right that he now thinks of that particular moment as being in poor taste.
Now that I think of it, wouldn't the chicken moment be a technical moment of queer bait? I can see how him privating that and his recent mention of Yuri on Ice show how much he has changed of a person and how self-aware he probably is of how his sexuality and relationship with Phil can be perceived, if he rewatches something like that.

Honestly, it astounds me how much his video has "surprised' people. I guess that some people are finally taking this at face value and are accepting it as fact? Also, that I guess sexuality is always a novelty for everybody. Straight people find it exotic/controversial ( not all) and gay people(umbrella term) might want representation and speak about it so much?

It's kind of ironic, how many times I see "Dan doesn't want to come out because he doesn't want to be defined by his sexuality" when it is literally the only thing I ever see discussed about him. Whenever I see randomers mention Dan/Phil on the internet they either say how " gay" they look, or how "crazy" their shippers are for thinking they're together. There's no peace. Society's fixation on sexuality can be so messed up.

I think it was private because that just kinda was the humour in 2010 (not that I'm defending it) and like gay chicken genuinely wasn't the worst of it. But now that I think the internet has matured past that point it makes sense to private it. It wasn't the most shocking or tasteless thing he's ever said but I think it's definitely one thing that is good to make harder to find. Not that I could even take it as being an indication in anyway of him being with Phil, it's not even queerbaiting its the opposite. It can be interpreted as subtly homophobic and I think thats why its been privated, especially if Dan is trying to become label free - something like that is a point for team Straight Dan? Stran? Team Stran. I think I said in the last thread I wanted him to talk more about things like this, and it's true I do, but I doubt it'll happen and I'd hate to see him talk about sociopolitical issues candidly to see people have a meltdown over it.

I'd basically just really love to sit and talk to him for an hour and because that will only happen when both of us meet jesus I want him to make videos.

Sexuality is a messed up topic. It never used to matter, it was only during the Industrial Revolution that our current categories even got made up ffs! It shouldn't be a big deal at all but it still is. It's sad that I'm so happy Dan has made a video with men and women because it just should not matter. I just want it to define me to the world as much as my choice of tea does but thats not where we're up to so I find myself so excited over these little things and I'm tired of it.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:08 pm**

cherrybomb3 wrote:it makes more sense when you put it like this. i guess personally my main worry for responses to the video wasnt so much homophobia (in 2017 its much less overt and much more low key and to do with erasing identities on the internet which is of course much better) but excessively pointing it out to the point of fetishisation and making it a huuuuge thing in a sort of intrusive and staring at an animal in a zoo way if that makes any sense. that just spooks me slightly
thats not to say that people who are much more confident when their sexuality is a big part of their identity any less valid or brave yno
basically whatever makes you personally more comfortable is the best for you, obvs

[offtopic]now if youll excuse me frickin radiohead oknotok holy crap im in heaven[/offtopic]

I remember a while back ppl would talk about the post-gay society (I guess that's the right term). I think that term goes along with what you're saying-
having sexuality be apart of you, something you're proud of but not your defining characteristic. And when people put it at the forefront of what they see in someone I can see how that's disconcerting. We just have to remember that society is still learning one step at a time. I'm no expert on this and don't want to be using outdated terms, but I hope this made sense.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 4:30 pm**

argo wrote:
cherrybomb3 wrote:it makes more sense when you put it like this. i guess personally my main worry for responses to the video wasnt so much homophobia (in 2017 its much less overt and much more low key and to do with erasing identities on the internet which is of course much better) but excessively pointing it out to the point of fetishisation and making it a huuuuge thing in a sort of intrusive and staring at an animal in a zoo way if that makes any sense. that just spooks me slightly
thats not to say that people who are much more confident when their sexuality is a big part of their identity any less valid or brave yno
basically whatever makes you personally more comfortable is the best for you, obvs

[offtopic]now if youll excuse me frickin radiohead oknotok holy crap im in heaven[/offtopic]
I remember a while back ppl would talk about the post-gay society (I guess that's the right term). I think that term goes along with what you're saying-
having sexuality be apart of you, something you're proud of but not your defining characteristic. And when people put it at the forefront of what they see in someone I can see how that's disconcerting. We just have to remember that society is still learning one step at a time. I'm no expert on this and don't want to be using outdated terms, but I hope this made sense.

sounds like a good concept tbh although i do get rather suspicious of any 'post-(identity)' thing by default because half the time its just an excuse to not talk about some social issue by pretending that its dead and buried in our nice modern society (eg post racial america, post class society etc)

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:02 pm**

cherrybomb3 wrote:sounds like a good concept tbh although i do get rather suspicious of any 'post-(identity)' thing by default because half the time its just an excuse to not talk about some social issue by pretending that its dead and buried in our nice modern society (eg post racial america, post class society etc)

That's a good point, something I hadn't considered. Definitely makes me wary of using certain terms.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:23 pm**

sparkle wrote:I made an entire articulate post, coughed, accidentally screen shotted in and then somehow loaded up apple.com so I lost everything I'd typed all with one wrong swallow of some Coke Zero. Fml.

I know it's no consolation but I just opened the thread, read this, and giggle snorted. Thanks for the random internet age slapstick.

000dia000 wrote:I think they are too lucky, too lazy, and need a fire lit under them.

I second this. As a person who has myself been too lucky and hence too lazy, with no one to light a fire under me but myself. It's surprisingly hard.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:35 pm**

I'd like to discuss this:

Is this Dan subtly saying he's a top?

adequate duck wrote:as for dan's talking about wanting death, of course, he hyped it up more in this video because it was about showing the bad side of dan.

This is a point that no one has brought up yet and i think some people might've missed!! He played it up as part of the joke!! Good point Duck!

adequate duck wrote:topic change: eevs i agree with you that sometimes it seems that people really actually don't like dan, because we only ever hear them disliking his videos. i come to idb for the bants and the chats, but mostly to share with other people something that i love. i know that other people use idb in different ways, for the discourse, for the lols, for the memes, for the extreme detectiving, or for more nuanced conversations about deppy's vids, so i just skip those posts usually unless i'm feeling particularly pugnacious that day.

Yeah, it is a forum for fans of deps after all. But I really can't talk since I love deppy, but I prefer the gaming vids, liveshows, and Phil's vids all before Dan's main channel videos, haha.

felucca wrote:6. Bottom line: I like Dan. And I feel like he's always putting out something that's worth my while. Sometimes it's main channel videos. But other times it's his liveshows, or gaming videos, or something completely different. At the end of the day, his main channel isn't the only draw. If I disliked everything he made or disliked him as a person I might leave, but that's never been the case.

^ felucca said it better than me

MaggieW wrote:Now I just want a video of Dan talking about tea and scented candles pls make that happen

oh fuck yeah. please. I'd be quaking.

Susanisnotafish wrote:As much as I really liked Dan's tinder vid, if he was interacting with real people, it kind of bugs me that he (already probably a millionaire) gets spon money from that vid and those people get nothing. He couldn't have done it without them. Not really a big deal, just a thought I had.

Didn't he say in the beginning that everyone agreed to be in the video? Maybe he did compensate them, who knows?

LtrllySusan wrote:while Phil is sitting next to him and giving him more silly ideas and then "reacted"/re-reacted to it on camera.

Oh, Phil was absolutely right next to him. Fuck, I really need to write this fanfic

felucca wrote:
eevee wrote:Dan is out now. Dan was not out before. And I’m extremely happy about it.
Literally found a comment on Dan's video saying he only chatted with both genders to increase his chances of funny answers and guys are funnier than girls so that's why they were overrepresented, cheers.

Man, I'd love some sexism with my homophobia!!

000dia000 wrote:(Double post, sorry)
eevee wrote: I'm not saying don't share your negative opinions, I'm more saying why continue to watch Dan if all the content disappoints you? And I'm seriously wondering what people want from him if this isn't it. It wasn't a rhetorical question. I invite everyone to answer it, I would love to know.
I know I made a post that was quite negative so that must be what you were referencing.
I did my best to make a distinction between what I want vs what other people want. I actually liked his video, but what I find issue with is his lack of content and basically laziness at times. I'm not asking for super human attempts from Dan, but people baby and protect him so much. I'm just disappointed at his poor work ethic and his slow move to change. Most of all: buckling to the wishes of the same fans that praise him for everything he puts out that's the same as every other youtuber, except slower to do, and he then shys away from what he actually wants. I don't know if this is merely an "opinion" I just find it a fact.

I don't think I am the only person disappointed at the ease and privilege Dan has with his life, but I think most people like to focuse on the positvity. I personally prefer to say something that hasn't been said already. I like Dan, but I still get frustrated. I can understand that people don't like it. I get pissed off too at negative posts at times. What I just wish from Dan (and Phil) is for them to push themselves, use their creativity. I think they are too lucky, too lazy, and need a fire lit under them.

I see what you're saying. I think this might come from him kinda moving on from the anime-colorful-post-emo-but-still-kinda-emo personality thing he had going on for so long. I think he's kinda confused about what to do on youtube now that that's not him anymore. And I understand that. So I'm giving him a break. But I do think you have reason to feel that way. At the same time, they did work super hard for so long on their book and tour, and I think it's fair for them to take it a little easy afterwards. But it has been a little while....lol. The bottom line is we won't know how many hours they put in a week and what they get back from it.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:38 pm**

felucca wrote:Lovely thread recap dizzy

I'm on team loved the new video. I was a bit worried before watching it because lately I've been feeling weary of his self-deprecation. Not because I dislike self-deprecating humour (I love it!) but because Dan's been running in the same spot with it for a while, repeating the same old things over and over again until I felt it became tiresome.

Turns out I needen't have been worried. I really felt he went the extra mile with this video and put a new spin on the self-deprecation, keeping it both real and hilarious. Loved all the super extra "pickup lines". Overall I think the video came together very neatly and was well-balanced in a way I've missed from him. I first got into Dan because his videos were so well put-together, much more so than other similar youtubers, but with the tour and his creative crisis and everything his videos have been kind of lacking in that respect for a while now imo, so it was nice to see him actually pull off this entire concept and execute it well from start to finish, well done!

If I were Tinder I'd be very pleased with this promotion because it made the people you can meet through the app seem both funny and kind.

captainspacecoat wrote:I loved the video! I was tentative about it at first, but it exceeded all my expectations. I infinitely preferred it to his last vid, which I personally found to be nonsensical, poorly thought out and pointless. This one, however, was entertaining to watch, well-paced (I actually thought it was the perfect length), and genuinely a good advertisement for Tinder in terms of utilising the app and demonstrating how to use it.
Yes, yes, all of this.

eevee wrote:Dan is out now. Dan was not out before. And I’m extremely happy about it.
Literally found a comment on Dan's video saying he only chatted with both genders to increase his chances of funny answers and guys are funnier than girls so that's why they were overrepresented, cheers.

On the other hand I have NEVER BEFORE seen so many men in the comments hitting on Dan and casually saying nice things about him and his looks and his sense of humour (and asking him to use Grindr instead, lmao). I've noticed a lot more of these kind of comments directed to Dan in the past few months, but this video cranked the numbers up 1000%. A bunch of the guys seemed completely new to his channel as well and must have found him through this video.

Other comment tendencies: I was surprised to find almost no comments joking about how Dan shouldn't date around because he's already with Phil. When I first started following Deppy closely in 2014 there used to be TONS of those comments, the phandom took every chance they got to make them, and they always got lots of likes and answers. This time I saw but two or three comments about phan in total and people mostly ignored them. Also, as usual a lot of people asked if he was bi, but while a comment like that in 2014 would get lots and lots of likes and start a huuuge comment chain with quotes and references to everything from old Formspring answers to the vday vid and people arguing he's straight, no gay, no bi, no pan... now people just went "idk but i don't think he likes labels" and "he doesn't like labels" and left it at that. Dan's really made an impact with that roast yourself challenge!

(Yes I scrolled the comment section for ages. Like literally an hour of reading comments. I find it really interesting how viewer perspective and viewer interaction changes over time, depending on what we're given.)

eevee wrote:kuensukki I'm not saying don't share your negative opinions, I'm more saying why continue to watch Dan if all the content disappoints you? And I'm seriously wondering what people want from him if this isn't it. It wasn't a rhetorical question. I invite everyone to answer it, I would love to know.
Challenge accepted.

I've been genrally dissatisfied and disappointed with Dan's content for a long time now. Just not enough to want to leave. Actually I've got plenty of reasons to keep up with him still:
1. I know he can do better.
2. He's been working through some stuff and been pretty clear about that, saying in liveshows he's having a creative crisis, doesn't know what videos to make, feeling uninspired... I can respect that and relate.
3. The tour. It didn't really come as a surprise to me that his quality of content might drop when he had something big like touring the world to deal with at the same time. No reason for me to up and leave while that was going on - that would be not giving him a chance to find his footing again after the tour, which I think is what he's doing now.
4. Attachment. Dan and Phil are like old friends or family members to me - we might have grown apart a bit, but I still like to keep up with them.
5. This damn forum. How could I NOT want to constantly check back here and complain bitterly about how I'm not really feeling D&P anymore?
6. Bottom line: I like Dan. And I feel like he's always putting out something that's worth my while. Sometimes it's main channel videos. But other times it's his liveshows, or gaming videos, or something completely different. At the end of the day, his main channel isn't the only draw. If I disliked everything he made or disliked him as a person I might leave, but that's never been the case.

Hooray, I made a long post, I care enough again!

Hooray for caring and hooray for your post! I agree with much of your thoughts on the video. And bless you for wading through the YouTube comments! That is actually fascinating and makes me very excited for Dan. (Not the flirting per se, just the vocal male audience.)

I don't think I mentioned in my posts last night, but I rewatched the video with the husband. I was pretty sure he was not going to care too much for it, but I still wanted to see his reaction. I caught him smiling and laughing a bit (he claims mainly at the people on Tinder's responses) and he definitely took it a lot better than 'The Memeing of Life' and 'Stop Saying We Look Look Alike' (but not as much as the Bahamas Travel Disaster). Still, I know the self-deprecating humor is annoying to him. So in an effort to balance things out I played Dan's 'Message to My Younger Self' to kind of give him some background, because I *want* him to understand where Dan is coming from, since I relate to Dan a bit more than Phil in some ways, so I see it as getting him to understand a part of me. He seemed pretty receptive to it and was really curious about 12 Year old Dan's website, so I found that video and that had him cracking up. But then he of course wanted some Phil time #philforever

We will be traveling quite a bit next week and will have the TABINOF audiobook to listen to, amongst other things. So I'm pretty excited for that. I've already read the physical copy (and I just finished reading DAPGO yesterday! I love the banter, especially for a photo book).

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 5:51 pm**

felucca wrote:
sparkle wrote:I made an entire articulate post, coughed, accidentally screen shotted in and then somehow loaded up apple.com so I lost everything I'd typed all with one wrong swallow of some Coke Zero. Fml.
I know it's no consolation but I just opened the thread, read this, and giggle snorted. Thanks for the random internet age slapstick.

I'm glad to be of service

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:12 pm**

Hi all! New member here (lurker of several months). I watched them in 2011-2013 then college happened and I stopped having fun in my life. Now that I'm graduated, I'm back into them (and youtube in general) and wow, have things changed!

I really enjoyed this video, first of all. I found myself laughing a lot. But to the point...

I'm curious if anyone here follows socialblade closely? I find myself checking the numbers of D&P frequently and noticed that yesterday and today (so far), Dan has lost subscribers. I figured that would be the opposite for days when he's uploaded a video. So my question is this: do you think it's related to the content of his video? Or is it people who forgot they were subscribed, were reminded when he uploaded, and then hit unsubscribe?

Happy to be here!

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:34 pm**

obscureDnPreference wrote:Hi all! New member here (lurker of several months). I watched them in 2011-2013 then college happened and I stopped having fun in my life. Now that I'm graduated, I'm back into them (and youtube in general) and wow, have things changed!

I really enjoyed this video, first of all. I found myself laughing a lot. But to the point...

I'm curious if anyone here follows socialblade closely? I find myself checking the numbers of D&P frequently and noticed that yesterday and today (so far), Dan has lost subscribers. I figured that would be the opposite for days when he's uploaded a video. So my question is this: do you think it's related to the content of his video? Or is it people who forgot they were subscribed, were reminded when he uploaded, and then hit unsubscribe?

Happy to be here!

Hi!

I want to preface this by saying I'm a nerd who did a year of Journalism so I enjoy looking at follower counts a little bit too much. His overall subs are up (by 96.1% what?!) over the last 30 days. He's lost about 750 in the last two days, which is still less than the amount he gained the day before (+1,215). I'm going to assume that people see the video and unsub because they are reminded of him. He's not very active (he has a video on average every 3 weeks) so it would make sense he'd gain subs throughout those 3 weeks, and then there would be a mass unsub when a video pops up, he could have gained way more subs though but still be left with a net loss. If you look back through his analystics to 17/6 (when Memeing of Life came out) he also lost subs. But other than these three days, he's still gained many times more subscribers. He's lost less than 1,000 and he had over 1,000 people sub on Monday. The fact he lost more than he did with Memeing of Life suggests it is to do with the video, but maybe its because its a #Spon and that puts people off. Especial one for Tinder because, well, it's Tinder.

Also, related, does anyone know how accurate his expected yearly earnings of max £29k a year are?! Because thats less than half the amount of Emma Blackery's predicted max yearly earnings (£64k) when in reality she gets less than half that (I only mention her because she went through her analytics). So that would be putting Dan at approx £14k a year from YouTube which doesn't seem right at all.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:40 pm**

obscureDnPreference wrote:Hi all! New member here (lurker of several months). I watched them in 2011-2013 then college happened and I stopped having fun in my life. Now that I'm graduated, I'm back into them (and youtube in general) and wow, have things changed!

I really enjoyed this video, first of all. I found myself laughing a lot. But to the point...

I'm curious if anyone here follows socialblade closely? I find myself checking the numbers of D&P frequently and noticed that yesterday and today (so far), Dan has lost subscribers. I figured that would be the opposite for days when he's uploaded a video. So my question is this: do you think it's related to the content of his video? Or is it people who forgot they were subscribed, were reminded when he uploaded, and then hit unsubscribe?

Happy to be here!

Hi obscureDnPreference welcome

I admit I don't follow socialblade but your comment made me curious and I can see what you mean by lost subscribers. It could just be a normal turnaround. Fans do tend to come and go frequently in any form of media. Also any new content is always a small risk if people don't gel with your content that week more casual viewers may drop off.

But...I wouldn't be too surprised if part of the reason was the content, given people's reactions to it. It's unfortunately a pretty messed up world we live in.

The numbers aren't anything too alarming though and it's a minor blip on his 6mil subs. If the reason people are unsubbing is homophobia then who needs them, there are about 7 billion more potential subscribers out there waiting to take their place and new people are finding Dan & Phil's content all the time.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:44 pm**

The earnings prediction on that site are wild in their range. Also Dan only posts a main channel video about once a month so it could be lower due to that. Then again he gets way more views than a lot of other people, so

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:45 pm**

Hi! Not quoting you as well because there's already a quotation wall

First I thought it was YouTube as they frequently removes inactive accounts which results in red numbers on Socialblade. But I checked some other bigger accounts and couldn't see a loss there, so it's gotta have to do with the video?

sparkle, Socialblade just takes a very wide range of possible CPMs (cost per mille, i.e. how much money you get when 1000 people see an ad) which makes it rather unreliable. Pewdiepie touched upon CPM in one of his videos - it's comedy but I do take him serious in that regard: https://youtu.be/GP9egt__qeI?t=7m46s . Something to keep in mind with socialblade is that it gives you "negative" revenue for negative channel views, i.e. on days where users hide big videos they are losing channel views and for whatever reason, socialblade displays a negative income for that day. However, I don't know if those negative numbers are calculated into the yearly average, but if they are, it makes sense if it appears low. After all, Dan has hidden videos now and then.

Edit:

Source: https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/da ... re/monthly

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:53 pm**

I've seen other YouTubers (NerdCubed) talk about CPMs. Apparently, he suffered a massive loss in CPM revenue from America which basically halved his monthly income or something insane like that.

It does make sense though that if Dan is hiding big videos and thats how Socialblade works out your income, the end of year figures will be affected. (which makes even more sense because I checked a while back and I would swear blind that Dan had maximum predicted earnings of £500,000)

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:55 pm**

I feel like pretty much everything's been said, but I've been at work for ages so please excuse my late input! (also I have only been able to skim through the many pages of discussion, so I'm sorry for any rehashing of old discussions)

I started watching Dan and Phil only semi recently, and to me, Dan has always come across as someone who needs people to understand and *get* who he is as a person. I feel like he genuinely cares that people don't misunderstand the things he values about himself, and I think it's fair to assume based on his frequent discussions in live shows recently, that sexuality is on of those things. However, I also think that he doesn't want to/feel comfortable with being made a spokesperson or role model for being queer. I feel like his whole approach of being open without disclosing is his way of achieving both of those things: living honestly and openly and sharing some things, while still remaining private about others and avoiding being put in a position as a role model (in a more direct way than he is for aligning himself with a non-straight identity in a public space, that is).

This is all to say that, because this is how I always interpreted him, I am also really proud that he did include multiple genders in his tindr spon. I'm not surprised (and would have been more surprised if he hadn't), but I'm happy for him that he's in a place where he feels comfortable enough to be that upfront about it. It probably doesn't even matter that for most people it didn't change their perception of him.

Lastly, I kind of wonder if his choice to post it on tuesday in lieu of his regular live show was a way to give himself as much time as possible to gage people's reactions before discussing it live. Regardless of how open he's become recently, I could see how posting this would feel significant in a way. To a casual audience, it's a lot more explicit than he usually is. And from my personal POV as someone who is bi but not exactly yelling it from the rooftops; even if you're completely comfortable with who you are and who you're attracted to, it can still be pretty scary to put that out there to such a large audience, especially when you feel like it will, to some extent, be treated as you making a (non-)statement about your sexuality.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 6:58 pm**

argo wrote:
cherrybomb3 wrote:
Katka wrote: Sexuality discussion:
I also agree that sexuality doesn’t need to be a big deal but I also think it’s an important part of who we are. It probably depends on the person how important your sexuality is to you though. So I agree, it doesn’t have to be a big deal. But I totally understand why people, especially lgbtq people, want to talk about their experiences. And since we live in a world in which discrimination is still pretty prevalent, online spaces like this one where people can share their stories and their excitement about a favourite celeb representing them are very important and I hate when people try to silence that or even want to take it away all together (no one on here did that of course but it’s a common thing to happen on message boards).

I mean, of course Dan is a complex person and not defined by whether he’s lgbtq or not. But being excited about him being this comfortable with his sexuality after all this time doesn’t equate to reducing him to it, I think. The thing is I’ve been watching Dan for years now. I started watching in early 2013 or something, when he was very much trying to appear straight. So seeing how far he’s come and how comfortable he is now is just really nice, so I was super excited when the diss track came out and I was excited last night. Not really because “omg, Dan isn’t straight, I hope he becomes The Non-Straight Youtuber now and never talks about anything else again” but more because I’m happy he’s comfortable enough to do this kind of thing now. Let’s be honest, this time last year he wouldn’t have made this video. He wasn’t quite there yet. He is now and that’s awesome. (Also it just makes my little queer heart very happy how casually he approached the topic. I'm making a big deal out of him not making a big deal. But I can't help it, I love that.)

This is me trying to write a short post by the way. Why do I even try?
it makes more sense when you put it like this. i guess personally my main worry for responses to the video wasnt so much homophobia (in 2017 its much less overt and much more low key and to do with erasing identities on the internet which is of course much better) but excessively pointing it out to the point of fetishisation and making it a huuuuge thing in a sort of intrusive and staring at an animal in a zoo way if that makes any sense. that just spooks me slightly
thats not to say that people who are much more confident when their sexuality is a big part of their identity any less valid or brave yno
basically whatever makes you personally more comfortable is the best for you, obvs

[offtopic]now if youll excuse me frickin radiohead oknotok holy crap im in heaven[/offtopic]
I remember a while back ppl would talk about the post-gay society (I guess that's the right term). I think that term goes along with what you're saying-
having sexuality be apart of you, something you're proud of but not your defining characteristic. And when people put it at the forefront of what they see in someone I can see how that's disconcerting. We just have to remember that society is still learning one step at a time. I'm no expert on this and don't want to be using outdated terms, but I hope this made sense.

(Katka, so great at putting my thoughts into words as always. that's exactly the reason I felt so excited about the video last night, and also what I perceived most people on here to be excited about.)

I am quite active in twitter youtube fandom (not phandom though), and I notice that many very young people I talk to define themselves a lot over their sexualities. Like 13-16 year olds, I very often see them introducing themselves in some way and their sexuality is one of the most prominent if not only things they immediately state.
I think this stems from it being the age where people figure that stuff out (and bless, honestly, that they are able to figure it out at such a young age, so many of them ). When they figure out they're bi, they are the bi person now, because it was such a recent and defining process for them and all their peers all talk about dating and attraction and that kind of stuff. It's their world in that period of time, so it is what counts the most.

So, in my mind, this is where a lot of this obsession in the phandom with deppy's sexualities comes from (more so Dan's, let's be real, he's just more open about it). Many young fans often don't know anything other than having their sexuality a big part of their identity, so that's why they discuss their faves' so intently.
I think only very rarely does this fetishisation actually come from a place of ignorance and carelessness. As I perceive it, it's mostly kids and the way they structure the world right now.
(This doesn't mean it's not important to talk about why this kind of thing can be hurtful or harmful to the people and the audience they're talking to, because expressing an opinion will always help someone else to take that in in some way and grow from it. It's just my explanation on why it happens so much in this fandom, and how I personally can't feel anger towards most people who do it, because I just perceive many of them as kids who are figuring out life.)
oh dear, i hope this doesn't sound too condescending, because I feel like it kind of might. I am talking about a very stereotypical fan here, and of course there's young fans that are totally different, and everyone's different, I get that- I just try to make sense of stuff in my head.

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:07 pm**

LtrllySusan wrote:Hi! Not quoting you as well because there's already a quotation wall

First I thought it was YouTube as they frequently removes inactive accounts which results in red numbers on Socialblade. But I checked some other bigger accounts and couldn't see a loss there, so it's gotta have to do with the video?

sparkle, Socialblade just takes a very wide range of possible CPMs (cost per mille, i.e. how much money you get when 1000 people see an ad) which makes it rather unreliable. Pewdiepie touched upon CPM in one of his videos - it's comedy but I do take him serious in that regard: https://youtu.be/GP9egt__qeI?t=7m46s . Something to keep in mind with socialblade is that it gives you "negative" revenue for negative channel views, i.e. on days where users hide big videos they are losing channel views and for whatever reason, socialblade displays a negative income for that day. However, I don't know if those negative numbers are calculated into the yearly average, but if they are, it makes sense if it appears low. After all, Dan has hidden videos now and then.

Edit:

Source: https://socialblade.com/youtube/user/da ... re/monthly

I was super curious about that huge loss a few weeks back. Hiding a video makes so much sense. I figured it was something like that, but didn't have any confirmation.

And yeah, I get that he will still have an overall gain in the end, but those little red number always surprise me!

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:37 pm**

While we're on the topic of CPM and viewing numbers, Dan actually posted the full length (and squarified) video to facebook a few hours ago: https://www.facebook.com/danisnotonfire ... 438453481/
I was surprised last night when I didn't see him post the video there (was ready to read comments), but this seems like a new strategy? I remember him talking about social media reach on a lifeshow when he posted that short clip of Phil hitting his hand on the suitcase on different platforms. He talked about how the reach and interactions were different.

Ah, as someone with education/work experience in social media my fingers are itching, I wanna see the analytics of that post (and his youtube channel) so badly. Wonder how many new people he reaches this way. Facebook's aggressive autoplay might be better at marketing these days than hoping to show up on someone's YT suggestions.

Edit: He posted a snippet to twitter as well. Very interesting new approach! Hoping for a small reach/interaction rant in the next LS. Pretty please

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:42 pm**

Nice little thing Dan just posted, is yesterday's video in a nutshell
am i going to hell because i laughed at every single pick-up line this time

Posted: **Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:53 pm**

idkwhattowrite wrote:I feel like pretty much everything's been said, but I've been at work for ages so please excuse my late input! (also I have only been able to skim through the many pages of discussion, so I'm sorry for any rehashing of old discussions)

I started watching Dan and Phil only semi recently, and to me, Dan has always come across as someone who needs people to understand and *get* who he is as a person. I feel like he genuinely cares that people don't misunderstand the things he values about himself, and I think it's fair to assume based on his frequent discussions in live shows recently, that sexuality is on of those things. However, I also think that he doesn't want to/feel comfortable with being made a spokesperson or role model for being queer. I feel like his whole approach of being open without disclosing is his way of achieving both of those things: living honestly and openly and sharing some things, while still remaining private about others and avoiding being put in a position as a role model (in a more direct way than he is for aligning himself with a non-straight identity in a public space, that is).

This is all to say that, because this is how I always interpreted him, I am also really proud that he did include multiple genders in his tindr spon. I'm not surprised (and would have been more surprised if he hadn't), but I'm happy for him that he's in a place where he feels comfortable enough to be that upfront about it. It probably doesn't even matter that for most people it didn't change their perception of him.

Lastly, I kind of wonder if his choice to post it on tuesday in lieu of his regular live show was a way to give himself as much time as possible to gage people's reactions before discussing it live. Regardless of how open he's become recently, I could see how posting this would feel significant in a way. To a casual audience, it's a lot more explicit than he usually is. And from my personal POV as someone who is bi but not exactly yelling it from the rooftops; even if you're completely comfortable with who you are and who you're attracted to, it can still be pretty scary to put that out there to such a large audience, especially when you feel like it will, to some extent, be treated as you making a (non-)statement about your sexuality.

I agree with all of the above

The last bit in particular. I wouldn't be surprised if that was true. Giving himself a bit of extra time to prepare a topic list if people hate it? Giving himself time to prepare responses? If he sees loads of people discussing the who more than the jokes, then he knows to brace for that.

Right - I want the rest of you guys' opinion on this. It's not just me, Dans voice IS deeper in the last two main channel videos isn't it?

There are some things he says in the intro that seems like he goes lower when I'm expecting him to go higher. Example, at approx. 40 seconds in he says 'show them the worst person that I can be sometimes' I would expect him to inflect worst by going higher, but instead his voice definitely gets lower. This is in addition to him starting off at a lower pitch too. He sounds the same but like he's got a head cold and I would bet this is his normal voice.. which leads me to thinking he's finally finished puberty trying to be more real on his channel which provides more evidence to me that this is Dan being authentic and deliberate. And pointing a giant fucking arrow at himself labelled 'non-straight man'.

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