Dan & Phil Part 18: disgustingly & inappropriately cute

[alittledizzy]

If the voldy is real, I'd say they (at least at the beginning) were in a committed 'traditional' relationship.

Also, about charlie: if I'm not mistaken, Charlie was with Stephen way before Dan and Phil met irl (like, months before). I'm not sure why so many people assume Charlie and Phil had a thing and then Dan got in the middle of them, this doesn't seem to make sense according to the timelines available. I'm not sure why Charlie appeared to have something personal against Dan in 2013, though, I guess it's one of those things we'll never know.

Charlie and Phil's heavily flirtatious period began in late 2008 and lasted through March/April 2009 (with them spending time irl together in March). I recently left a string of tweets between Charlie and Phil in Charlie's thread, if anyone's curious. Charlie and Stephen got together around June but were also heavily flirtatious - basically, Charlie was a flirt - before that. Phil added Dan on facebook later in June. So, yeah - there's enough distance between all those things that the whole 'Dan came between Phil and Charlie' theory doesn't hold much water. Phil was also friendly with Charlie and Stephen, and Dan and Charlie and Stephen were all friends.

Whatever issues Charlie had with Dan didn't develop until a couple years later - and yeah, it's anyone's guess as to why. Though if I had to put out a theory I'd say Charlie's issues had a lot more to do with shit going on in his own life or his own mental state than Dan.

(amazingskies at the top of the page, ahhhhhhhhhh. that's fun.)

[bluewho]

If voldy is real, I'd say they (at least at the beginning) were in a committed 'traditional' relationship.

Also, about charlie: if I'm not mistaken, Charlie was with Stephen way before Dan and Phil met irl (like, months before). I'm not sure why so many people assume Charlie and Phil had a thing and then Dan got in the middle of them, this doesn't seem to make sense according to the timelines available. I'm not sure why Charlie appeared to have something personal against Dan in 2013, though, I guess it's one of those things we'll never know.

To clarify, I think that Charlie and Phil had broken up by the time Phil met Dan, what I meant was that there may be a pattern of Phil being in relationships he doesn't openly call relationships. His relationship with Dan was never committed and traditional in the sense of being acknowledged publicly. Dan and Phil never went around openly calling each other 'boyfriend' in videos for example - and in this sense it is not traditional.

[annetamiau]

If voldy is real, I'd say they (at least at the beginning) were in a committed 'traditional' relationship.

Also, about charlie: if I'm not mistaken, Charlie was with Stephen way before Dan and Phil met irl (like, months before). I'm not sure why so many people assume Charlie and Phil had a thing and then Dan got in the middle of them, this doesn't seem to make sense according to the timelines available. I'm not sure why Charlie appeared to have something personal against Dan in 2013, though, I guess it's one of those things we'll never know.

I think you're probably right that Charlie and Phil had broken up by the time Phil met Dan, what I meant was that there may be a pattern of Phil being in relationships he doesn't openly call relationships. His relationship with Dan was never committed and traditional in the sense of being acknowledged publicly. Dan and Phil never went around openly calling each other 'boyfriend' in videos for example - and in this sense it is not traditional.

I disagree with this last bit. They could be in a perfectly traditional relationship, just not open to their audience (us)

[bear]

If voldy is real, I'd say they (at least at the beginning) were in a committed 'traditional' relationship.

Also, about charlie: if I'm not mistaken, Charlie was with Stephen way before Dan and Phil met irl (like, months before). I'm not sure why so many people assume Charlie and Phil had a thing and then Dan got in the middle of them, this doesn't seem to make sense according to the timelines available. I'm not sure why Charlie appeared to have something personal against Dan in 2013, though, I guess it's one of those things we'll never know.

I think you're probably right that Charlie and Phil had broken up by the time Phil met Dan, what I meant was that there may be a pattern of Phil being in relationships he doesn't openly call relationships. His relationship with Dan was never committed and traditional in the sense of being acknowledged publicly. Dan and Phil never went around openly calling each other 'boyfriend' in videos for example - and in this sense it is not traditional.

I disagree with this last bit. They could be in a perfectly traditional relationship, just not open to their audience (us)

True, they have never called each other "boyfriends" or said "we're together". Then again they haven't said they weren't together, they completely avoided the subject itself. (In 2009.) My theory is that they kept it private with a few friends, hence the whole Charlie drama and him saying they were together. They hinted it to the internet, but I think they just didn't feel like it was necessary to tell everyone. I think they're traditional but don't tell their audience.

[bluewho]

If voldy is real, I'd say they (at least at the beginning) were in a committed 'traditional' relationship.

Also, about charlie: if I'm not mistaken, Charlie was with Stephen way before Dan and Phil met irl (like, months before). I'm not sure why so many people assume Charlie and Phil had a thing and then Dan got in the middle of them, this doesn't seem to make sense according to the timelines available. I'm not sure why Charlie appeared to have something personal against Dan in 2013, though, I guess it's one of those things we'll never know.

I think you're probably right that Charlie and Phil had broken up by the time Phil met Dan, what I meant was that there may be a pattern of Phil being in relationships he doesn't openly call relationships. His relationship with Dan was never committed and traditional in the sense of being acknowledged publicly. Dan and Phil never went around openly calling each other 'boyfriend' in videos for example - and in this sense it is not traditional.

I disagree with this last bit. They could be in a perfectly traditional relationship, just not open to their audience (us)

True, they have never called each other "boyfriends" or said "we're together". Then again they haven't said they weren't together, they completely avoided the subject itself. (In 2009.) My theory is that they kept it private with a few friends, hence the whole Charlie drama and him saying they were together. They hinted it to the internet, but I think they just didn't feel like it was necessary to tell everyone. I think they're traditional but don't tell their audience.

True, they may be in a relationship which is known by their close friends, either way we're speculating. It is all speculation. It is even more speculative to say that Phil and Charlie had a 'thing' because there is even less evidence of that than of Phan, which may not even be real *cries at the prospect*. Also my opinion on all things tends to change. Ask me tomorrow and I'll probably believe got married in Las Vegas

[sweetmm]

I doubt either will cheat on each other; however if they ever had a fall-out/break-up, I think Dan will brood in his room whilst Phil will hit the town.

[kinemacolor]

do you guys think the reason charlie acted up in 2013 was exactly because of phil not wanting to label, this untraditional dating situation creating a climate of what are we then? so when they slowly drifted apart, hence the anger charlie felt towards the two? when there's no clean end it could fester

all speculation

[sunday]

I doubt either will cheat on each other; however if they ever had a fall-out/break-up, I think Dan will brood in his room whilst Phil will hit the town.

lmao this is too real. dan will lock himself "in the bathroom and listen to angry music while frowning in the mirror"

[bear]

do you guys think the reason charlie acted up in 2013 was exactly because of phil not wanting to label, this untraditional dating situation creating a climate of what are we then? so when they slowly drifted apart, hence the anger charlie felt towards the two? when there's no clean end it could fester

all speculation

Oooh more conspiracy theories, sign me up. But why would charlie be angry about that?

I doubt either will cheat on each other; however if they ever had a fall-out/break-up, I think Dan will brood in his room whilst Phil will hit the town.

lmao this is too real. dan will lock himself "in the bathroom and listen to angry music while frowning in the mirror"

So true. And omg

[Winston]

I doubt either will cheat on each other; however if they ever had a fall-out/break-up, I think Dan will brood in his room whilst Phil will hit the town.

lmao this is too real. dan will lock himself "in the bathroom and listen to angry music while frowning in the mirror"

Yes yes yes.

I could see Phil taking the breakup mutch better than Dan. Mainly just because of how the relationship in theory started and Phil's general aloofness. Not that I think he isn't loving, he just seems to be able to control his emotions better than Dan. Also I could see Phil still youtubing where Dan may stop for awhile or forever. His heart may not be in it if that were to happen.


I couldn't see them cheating though. Not now anyway they still seem to be enfatuated with each other. I could see either one being a little flirty with someone but that isn't even kind of the same thing.

Of course this is all conjecture. If they are in fact together Yada Yada. And everyday my opinion changes about their freaking relationship. Tomorrow I may think Dan is an actor and they never really loved together in the first place.

[kinemacolor]

do you guys think the reason charlie acted up in 2013 was exactly because of phil not wanting to label, this untraditional dating situation creating a climate of what are we then? so when they slowly drifted apart, hence the anger charlie felt towards the two? when there's no clean end it could fester

all speculation

Oooh more conspiracy theories, sign me up. But why would charlie be angry about that?

my guess would be if things never really ended between the two. first phil stars flirting with new-kid-on-the-block danny and then charlie's wondering where things went wrong with no definite end as there was no definite beginning (cue phil's aversion to a label™), charlie may have been at a loss.

(+teen angst. never underestimate a youth's power to romanticize what was never there and create a story only half true. i think we've all been there, ugh.)

[thisliv]

My opinion that Phil and Charlie had some kind of thing, that Phil resisted calling a relationship/probably cut off is based on the sentimental comments from Charlie, Charlie wearing Phil's clothes in the 'dinoskies' video, and then Charlie's complaint that Phil never answers his calls in the 'i hate phil' video. So I kind of think they had a thing, which Phil probably broke off because of the age difference, and never called a relationship.



Phil later meets Dan, they appear to be flirting and many speculate they are in a relationship yet Phil resists this label again (and so does Dan).
In this context hypothetical Dan and Phil might have less of an issue with 'cheating' because they don't consider themselves in a relationship. (I'm not saying it wouldn't be a big deal, it just may be less of issue for them).

But you guys probably know a lot more than me because I only really got hardcore into about 6 months ago (although I've been a casual viewer since 2012), so I haven't been immersed in this stuff long enough to know much.

I've never seen these videos and I'm shocked at how young Charlie looks here. Like, I knew rationally that he was sixteen when they met but I wasn't prepared for the reality of sixteen-year-old Charlie looking like an actual baby. If anything ever happened between them I'm glad Phil had the sense to know that wasn't going to work out. Also, I'm kind of creeped out because baby Charlie is beyond jailbait Christ Philip

This is the first time I've actually seen videos with Charlie-- known about him for a couple years, tho. I'm shocked about how deep his voice is and how much he looked like Dan back then. I could never see the resemblance between them that people have pointed out before. I think Phil has a type Though it does freak me out how young he looked. I'm also glad Phil had the sense to cut that off, if that's what he did.

As for the cheating question, if they are actually together, I think Dan is way too devoted to Phil to cheat Like he is seriously Phil #1. I can't see him cheating if he's that committed to someone.

Phil is such a closed book that I can't tell for certain, but after this many years, I doubt he would. Of course, I'm ignorant to relationships, so I don't know what motivations behind cheating could possibly be, especially in long-term relationships. And for someone like Phil who doesn't reveal all that much of what he's feeling, I'm just at a loss.

I'm thinking way too seriously about this (at least for Phil because he is such a question mark)

Also, going back to the picture that Phil posted this morning of him on the plane 'modeling.' He looked so good. more hoodies and glasses please Phil i'm begging you.

EDIT: changed a couple words to make things clearer

[000dia000]

You guys realize there's no definite proof phan is real, yeah? Why are we suddenly discussing who is more likely to cheat? I mean it is all speculation and we try to decide based upon the information given to us but ultimately we know very little outside their personas. While we may feel that Phil in this instance does not feel the need to define a relationship and appears to float between Charlie and Dan, I noticed people like to change aspects of his personality to suit little theories. Surely, the same Phil who does not seem to be grounded in a labelled relationship is also the same Phil upon similar discussion seems to be the guy who seems more willing to settle down and get married? While Phil's nature would differ upon age, nobody gives a clear boundary between past and present Phil and little grounds to base either presumption under. While I know this discussion is merely speculative and I don't know why I'm questioning IDB for discussing it, we do not know enough about either of their personal life's to assume their loyalty towards their SO's. It's just something I noticed, carry on.

[thisliv]

You guys realize there's no definite proof phan is real, yeah? Why are we suddenly discussing who is more likely to cheat? I mean it is all speculation and we try to decide based upon the information given to us but ultimately we know very little outside their personas. While we may feel that Phil in this instance does not feel the need to define a relationship and appears to float between Charlie and Dan, I noticed people like to change aspects of his personality to suit little theories. Surely, the same Phil who does not seem to be grounded in a labelled relationship is also the same Phil upon similar discussion seems to be the guy who seems more willing to settle down and get married? While Phil's nature would differ upon age, nobody gives a clear boundary between past and present Phil and little grounds to base either presumption under. While I know this discussion is merely speculative and I don't know why I'm questioning IDB for discussing it, we do not know enough about either of their personal life's to assume their loyalty towards their SO's. It's just something I noticed, carry on.

I saw it as more of a fun discussion to take the boredom away. Don't know how others see it. I agree with you on your points, especially about Phil. I really don't know what to think about them sometimes, especially on topics as personal as that, because like you mentioned, we lack a lot of knowledge of them and are merely basing our speculations on their public image.

[fancybum]

You guys realize there's no definite proof phan is real, yeah?.

Oh my god I hadn't actually realized that, thank you for being the only person ever to talk sense to us poor lost souls. Lost souls harmlessly speculating about a completely hypothetical situation out of boredom. Who's handing out the gold stars today.

Anyway do you guys think they'll film a vid with Felix's bot? They stooped to the chimbot, so an app of a friend in the same vein seems like a likely candidate for an easy filler gaming vid. Not that there's any proof that they would consider it of course. Just wanted to add a disclaimer so we're all aware I'm speculating responsibly.

This made me think of it:

This made me cringe a bit and I feel like she'll delete this but imgr on mobile is testing me tonight.

[bear]

You guys realize there's no definite proof phan is real, yeah?.

Oh my god I hadn't actually realized that, thank you for being the only person ever to talk sense to us poor lost souls. Lost souls harmlessly speculating about a completely hypothetical situation out of boredom. Who's handing out the gold stars today.

Anyway do you guys think they'll film a vid with Felix's bot? They stooped to the chimbot, so an app of a friend in the same vein seems like a likely candidate for an easy filler gaming vid. Not that there's any proof that they would consider it of course. Just wanted to add a disclaimer so we're all aware I'm speculating responsibly.

This made me think of it:

This made me cringe a bit and I feel like she'll delete this but imgr on mobile is testing me tonight.

My guess is yes, considering that they're actual friends of Felix, and they already did chimbot.

[Winston]

[offtopic]Random question. What happened may13th? According to the stats on the front page of the forum it was the busiest day on here. I don't remember anything too big happening in may?[/offtopic]

[confusedpanda]

[offtopic]Random question. What happened may13th? According to the stats on the front page of the forum it was the busiest day on here. I don't remember anything too big happening in may?[/offtopic]

May 13th was the day of last live show they did together, according to younow.

[Winston]

Ooooh. Ok, Thanks!

[000dia000]

You guys realize there's no definite proof phan is real, yeah?.

Oh my god I hadn't actually realized that, thank you for being the only person ever to talk sense to us poor lost souls. Lost souls harmlessly speculating about a completely hypothetical situation out of boredom. Who's handing out the gold stars today.

I don't understand why you're being condescending. While my statement upon re-reading does seem rather blunt, I don't know why you went out of your way to take it out of context, shaming me and also ignoring my point. While everybody is different I was only pointing out that the topic that I was giving my own opinion to. I'm not some troll account. My opinion in't even controversial or anti-phan/dan/phil or whatever, just my opinion regarding the speculation. I would have expected something friendlier from an IDB user, even if you don't particularly agree with my post you don't have to nitpick my sentences for your own benefit

[Winston]

[offtopic]Again offtopic (sorry) I now started the dream thread we talked of earlier. I placed it in "personal", if anyone is interested. I made it for dreams about the boys and dreams in general. [/offtopic]

[alittledizzy]

You guys realize there's no definite proof phan is real, yeah?.

Oh my god I hadn't actually realized that, thank you for being the only person ever to talk sense to us poor lost souls. Lost souls harmlessly speculating about a completely hypothetical situation out of boredom. Who's handing out the gold stars today.

I don't understand why you're being condescending. While my statement upon re-reading does seem rather blunt, I don't know why you went out of your way to take it out of context, shaming me and also ignoring my point. While everybody is different I was only pointing out that the topic that I was giving my own opinion to. I'm not some troll account. My opinion in't even controversial or anti-phan/dan/phil or whatever, just my opinion regarding the speculation. I would have expected something friendlier from an IDB user, even if you don't particularly agree with my post you don't have to nitpick my sentences for your own benefit

Dia, the first line of your previous post was pretty condescending itself. Your point is fine, though. I'll personally go back to disclaiming every phan heavy post with "If you don't think phan is real/don't like speculation, stop reading here." so no one mistakenly reads and is offended - but at this point, considering the other conversations that took place today, I didn't think I needed the disclaimer on every post. I mean, why were we discussing third nipples and the chances of them moving house? Not because any of us presumed we knew anything, but because we're bored. I felt pretty confident no one was actually mistaking all of our boredom induced speculative rambling for any of us thinking it was fact, but - I stand corrected.

[Winston]

Isn't about 98% of what we all talk about just speculation anyway? I figured we all knew and understood that. Is it really necessary to put the disclaimer on every post? Just saying. None of us are them (that we know of) and thus we wouldn't actually know anything definite. Even if Louise or Pj showed up one day (or any other friend/family member of the guys) they would still be speculating since they are also not the boys. Only they themselves know the truth whether it be a third nipple, "phan is real", or if it cool in their apartment one day. The only things we know for certain is that at some point in time they were on a plane, in Florida, were on tour, etc. Even those things could be considered speculating...the moon landing-did that happen? Are Dan and Phil real live boys, or are they cyborgs sent from the future to torment phangirls everywhere? Is Elvis really dead? Is the earth round? Basically I think we all agree that no matter what we say on here it is always speculation. Merely used for the lolz and entertainment. And I don't know if I would want it any other way tbh.

[sweetmm]

To me its pretty obvious we were joking around to fill the void, I was too lazy to add jk nowadays

[000dia000]

I admit my language could have been used better. However, I understand that it is speculation, there's no need for disclaimers. I am in no way offended, I was only stating my opinion. I thought my post was unbiased and clear but it appeared aggressive so I apologise for the confusion.