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000dia000 wrote:

loonyradish wrote:I haven't had time to read the last 3 pages yet, so you might already be talking about it, but-
Does any of you also feel like Dan lets Phil win sometimes? Because somehow there are two "Dan-reactions" to Phil winning:
1. "NOO, whaat?!?"
2. "Ah, well done Phil!"
Or maybe it's just depending on the game they play. But I'm thinking about that since quite a while now, and maybe someone feels the same?

He certainly likes to keep the gaming as fair as possible, and in previous gaming videos alluded to Phil choosing games that he himself is good at to allow more wins for him. He is also known to celebrate and encourage Phil to win and do well when it comes to videos, and is self aware "Why am I helping you?" But, letting him win? I don't know. It isn't out of the question and actually fairly likely, but I wouldn't completely rule out situations where he's genuinely pleased to see Phil succeed. I think Dan also plays into and is encouraged to support him, because he's a supportive boyfriend and also you WANT Phil to win. He's that king of persona that makes him the underdog and you want him to succeed and do well. And Phil isn't that much different from his persona so I do think Dan just likes him succeed I think it's satisfying, even if Phil is a cringey winner and spammer

JustMe wrote:I liked the gaming vid, was nice!

For the people that get weirded out by the flipped camera, here's a link to a flipped version where the letters don't make sense but their faces do :
http://deturl.com/mirror-flip.asp?v=1iWsVxYsL30&t=0s

Susannah wrote:Adding myself to the people who are admitting that they go for Dan during DvP. Nice to see you coming out of the woodwork. Idk why, really, but it's probs because I've always had a soft spot for Dan and he's just seems to be better at games in general.

I think that part of the reason some people (#notallphilstans obvs) want Phil to win is because of the underdog schtick, and because (for whatever reason) it's seen as more acceptable to shit on Dan than it is to shit on Phil. Like, so many responses to Dan's tweets could be read at face value as hate messages (even though it's all mr joe king), whereas there's relentless encouraging comments and 'oh, you're too adorable!' when it comes to Phil. I know it's to do with how they present themselves: Dan is always going on about people cyberbullying him; Phil is untouchable, everybody's sunshine (blech). Don't tease him because he's srs bsns. But, because they're both grown men, and Phil is older, it just seems weird to me. An over-correction of the time of dangirls on the phandom's part?

what am i even trying to say

phanofcats wrote:

Susannah wrote:Adding myself to the people who are admitting that they go for Dan during DvP. Nice to see you coming out of the woodwork. Idk why, really, but it's probs because I've always had a soft spot for Dan and he's just seems to be better at games in general.

I think that part of the reason some people (#notallphilstans obvs) want Phil to win is because of the underdog schtick, and because (for whatever reason) it's seen as more acceptable to shit on Dan than it is to shit on Phil. Like, so many responses to Dan's tweets could be read at face value as hate messages (even though it's all mr joe king), whereas there's relentless encouraging comments and 'oh, you're too adorable!' when it comes to Phil. I know it's to do with how they present themselves: Dan is always going on about people cyberbullying him; Phil is untouchable, everybody's sunshine (blech). Don't tease him because he's srs bsns. But, because they're both grown men, and Phil is older, it just seems weird to me. An over-correction of the time of dangirls on the phandom's part?

what am i even trying to say

I get what you're trying to say. I think it might steam from the causal viewers and other people outside of the phandom putting Dan above Phil. Like Dan has more subs, people call him "the hot one" and I think he overall gets more recognition. So it seems that maybe the philgirls are trying to overcompensate for all that? It sort of seems like in the phandom, Phil is the favourite but outside the phandom, Dan is the favourite?

Its hard being a dangirl these days

alittledizzy wrote:As far as it being more common for people to shit on Dan than Phil - you sort of have a point, but I'd also say that the key factor here is what Dan and Phil invite themselves. They set the example for how fans treat them. Dan drags himself, he drags fans - it's his sense of humor. He's self-deprecating with a sardonic edge. Fans give him that back in turn. Phil is not overly self-deprecating, he does not playfully insult fans or himself - so it feels rude to be mean, even in humor, to someone who is never mean back.

Which we all know he isn't.

phanofcats wrote:Well Dan does have about 2 million more subscribers than Phil so there are still quite a few people that only watch him (though i wouldn't consider them part of the phandom).

alittledizzy wrote:As far as it being more common for people to shit on Dan than Phil - you sort of have a point, but I'd also say that the key factor here is what Dan and Phil invite themselves. They set the example for how fans treat them. Dan drags himself, he drags fans - it's his sense of humor. He's self-deprecating with a sardonic edge. Fans give him that back in turn. Phil is not overly self-deprecating, he does not playfully insult fans or himself - so it feels rude to be mean, even in humor, to someone who is never mean back.

I definitely agree with you on that. Dan makes fun of us, so we make fun of him in return. Phil isn't like that so it feels a little meaner.

As for the phandom treating Phil like a child, I think that goes back to the fact that a lot of people still think that he's really innocent. Which we all know he isn't.

000dia000 wrote:

Pianist Flutist wrote: He believes that most people are better and more talented than him

I like to believe Phil is secretly more narcissistic then he lets on. The way he demeans other people sometimes, and uses other people to his advantage socially, and even for entertainment purposes in his videos. He is very slow to change himself, and I get the impression he is rather stubborn. I think EVERYBODY has some degree of narcissism and self-obsession, more than they would admit to, or even realize themselves. Of course, Phil does care about other people, he is king, caring and generous, but I still think he is human, and capable of also thinking "I'm better/nicer than that person." I see this all the time, whenever he does a male character in his video, he also assumes a dumb, generic guy role, and I think he secretly believes himself better than most guys, maybe it's an internalized thing? Who knows? At the same time, I do agree, Phil has insecurities, and I'm certain he's afraid of how people will see him, but he's all in all a great guy, anyways.

onetruetrash wrote:

000dia000 wrote:

Pianist Flutist wrote: He believes that most people are better and more talented than him

I like to believe Phil is secretly more narcissistic then he lets on. The way he demeans other people sometimes, and uses other people to his advantage socially, and even for entertainment purposes in his videos. He is very slow to change himself, and I get the impression he is rather stubborn. I think EVERYBODY has some degree of narcissism and self-obsession, more than they would admit to, or even realize themselves. Of course, Phil does care about other people, he is king, caring and generous, but I still think he is human, and capable of also thinking "I'm better/nicer than that person." I see this all the time, whenever he does a male character in his video, he also assumes a dumb, generic guy role, and I think he secretly believes himself better than most guys, maybe it's an internalized thing? Who knows? At the same time, I do agree, Phil has insecurities, and I'm certain he's afraid of how people will see him, but he's all in all a great guy, anyways.

I saw someone in a YouTube comment say something like that too. They said that Dan and Phil pushed people down and came out on top, which I can see. I don't think they are assholes or anything, but they easily replace people.

sentinel wrote:

onetruetrash wrote:

000dia000 wrote:

Pianist Flutist wrote: He believes that most people are better and more talented than him

I like to believe Phil is secretly more narcissistic then he lets on. The way he demeans other people sometimes, and uses other people to his advantage socially, and even for entertainment purposes in his videos. He is very slow to change himself, and I get the impression he is rather stubborn. I think EVERYBODY has some degree of narcissism and self-obsession, more than they would admit to, or even realize themselves. Of course, Phil does care about other people, he is king, caring and generous, but I still think he is human, and capable of also thinking "I'm better/nicer than that person." I see this all the time, whenever he does a male character in his video, he also assumes a dumb, generic guy role, and I think he secretly believes himself better than most guys, maybe it's an internalized thing? Who knows? At the same time, I do agree, Phil has insecurities, and I'm certain he's afraid of how people will see him, but he's all in all a great guy, anyways.

I saw someone in a YouTube comment say something like that too. They said that Dan and Phil pushed people down and came out on top, which I can see. I don't think they are assholes or anything, but they easily replace people.

I think they replace people easily because they only see each other as irreplaceable. So as long as they are friends, they will not cling to anyone, because they cling to each other.

sentinel wrote:

onetruetrash wrote:

000dia000 wrote:

Pianist Flutist wrote: He believes that most people are better and more talented than him

I like to believe Phil is secretly more narcissistic then he lets on. The way he demeans other people sometimes, and uses other people to his advantage socially, and even for entertainment purposes in his videos. He is very slow to change himself, and I get the impression he is rather stubborn. I think EVERYBODY has some degree of narcissism and self-obsession, more than they would admit to, or even realize themselves. Of course, Phil does care about other people, he is king, caring and generous, but I still think he is human, and capable of also thinking "I'm better/nicer than that person." I see this all the time, whenever he does a male character in his video, he also assumes a dumb, generic guy role, and I think he secretly believes himself better than most guys, maybe it's an internalized thing? Who knows? At the same time, I do agree, Phil has insecurities, and I'm certain he's afraid of how people will see him, but he's all in all a great guy, anyways.

I saw someone in a YouTube comment say something like that too. They said that Dan and Phil pushed people down and came out on top, which I can see. I don't think they are assholes or anything, but they easily replace people.

I think they replace people easily because they only see each other as irreplaceable. So as long as they are friends, they will not cling to anyone, because they cling to each other.

saffarinda wrote:Also, Dan's aesthetic picture posted to instagram is GORGEOUS! The sky and the ocean are so pretty (maybe he take it in the Bahamas during his possible filming? )

saffarinda wrote:
I always root for Phil, but damn does that "innocence smol bean" grate on me. I think I root for Phil because he's the underdog, and because I prefer his reaction when he wins. Dan often has a joking "HA! I won" (which I can relate to lmao) whilst Phil has a much more "YES I WON!" (because Dan is defo better at the games, ngl, so winning against him seems to be somewhat of a rarity) and because of that, many of us are pleased that he won over Dan.

Catallena wrote:
I'm living for how fond they sounded while exposing each other's little gaming habits (Phil being an annoying winner in multiplayer, Dan doing bomb training at 3AM) like they literally love and accept everything about each other and they can't even pretend to ever be mad about it. It's like the kitchen cupboard thing again, Dan might complain but he will silently follow Phil around the flat closing every cupboard he leaves open anyway because that's just part of his life with Phil. The fondness was seriously radiating of the screen.

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