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Thanks to everyone who weighed in on my question. It was interesting hearing your thoughts. Even I'm on the brink of finals too, so yeah, the Phandom members who are still in school are probably too busy to rewatch.

Anyway, excited for Dan's vid. Hope he uploads soon.

Daniel's hot on the Twitter joke of the day, whatever whomstdve is supposed to mean

flarequake wrote:Daniel's hot on the Twitter joke of the day, whatever whomstdve is supposed to mean

i can't tell if you're just making fun of him or actually asking but saying 'whom' instead of 'who' all the time became a meme and then it evolved into 'whomst' and then it evolved and combined with the meme of making abbreviations longer than they need to be like y'all'd've so now....whomst'd've. or my favorite: whomst'th'fuck'd've

RiriPandaHeart2 wrote:Was procrastinating and was about to rewatch Phil's latest video, when I realized it hasn't hit a million views yet. Was curious about the state of the other videos they uploaded recently, and found that the last 4 gaming channel videos also haven't reached a million views either. Usually before, in a week, the views would have already reached 1 million. What do you think is causing this difference in views? Are people just losing interest? or is it because they've been uploading a lot recently so the urge to rewatch is less because there's more content? Or is it because we've been blessed with more Deppy things outside of their videos, that we have less interest in their videos now? These are the ones that I think that could be reasons for the decline in views, though I'm not really sure.

I noticed the smaller view numbers myself and among the reasons already mentioned I wanted to add that it may be also a youtube algorithm (or how to call it) thing. I was watching Matthew Santoro's vlog few weeks ago and I think he brings some interesting points (4:40, 11:30). And also Cornelia Grimsmo (whom I started to follow some time ago when I was thinking about traveling alone so I was looking at lot of lone travelers vlogs, but then my health went downhill) said in one of her latest vlogs that she get's more views from random people than from her subscribers. So maybe DnP used to get more random views as well cause yt may have recommended them more before.

regarding voldy and 2009 stuff. idk, I think it might be both (genuine and playing for numbers) but we have to remember that everyone grows and I think now they know better.. Didn't Dan say in his community announcement (or how was it called) tumblr that he used to be a pretty shitty person (or I might be imagining that I read it, it's really a long time ago that I saw screencaps of that blog) back then - not sure if he said it in regards to voldy or the bi label on myspace or I really don't remember. And what about that grandma comparison quote? (that was the worst one I think, if it was real..)

Subtle confirmation? That's a beautiful combination of words.
Why indeed. And my fave:
I do not.

I do think Phil must still be in Florida, the question is, is Dan still there? I think so, but we shall see. I'll just be over here squirming until then.

Bravo on successfully stirring up #BahamaDrama Dan. Such a Slytherin.

awsugar wrote:

flarequake wrote:Daniel's hot on the Twitter joke of the day, whatever whomstdve is supposed to mean

i can't tell if you're just making fun of him or actually asking but saying 'whom' instead of 'who' all the time became a meme and then it evolved into 'whomst' and then it evolved and combined with the meme of making abbreviations longer than they need to be like y'all'd've so now....whomst'd've. or my favorite: whomst'th'fuck'd've

Crikey, now I kinda get it. I was being totally serious I usually understand once I've looked at urban dictionary or know your meme, but I didn't think to try know your meme for this one and didn't get it from the urban dictionary definition. I'd only just heard of y'all'd've and I got that right away, but I'm a bit old now I guess. Thanks for the explanation

Re Dan's twitter replies, he's a cheeky monkey playing up to the distaste for his new icon, but I was glad to see him, even jokingly, acknowledge his storytelling ability. Proud cheerleader over here I'm not sure he ever confirmed whether he'd choose Slytherin over Gryffindor, but from the way he likes to stir up everyone's anticipation for his videos, I'd go with that. #BahamaDrama is brilliant.

re: the emo/scene discussion that happened earlier; i don‘t want to revive it as i feel like the relevant points have already been made, but i wanted to quickly add something which (i think! please excuse me if i‘m wrong, i read the thread on public transport and might've missed something) hasn‘t explicitely been said yet.

emo/scene was, the way i experienced it, as an example for a (sub)culture that accepted expression of same-gender attraction to a certain point, quite similar to how atm women loving women and female-female friendships are often perceived. as it‘s socially acceptable for women to express their affaction physically, women or female-presenting peeps might get away more easily with for example holding hands in public, which can be a positive thing. on the other hand, they might also get dismissed, see „just gals being pals“ and all that jazz. looking back in time at such a culture often results in the same discussions, be it for the mid-2000s emo period or, say, 19th century sentimentalism and male-male friendships. for the latter, you have people (read: random people on tumblr just the same as historicians and scholars) making the exact same arguments when it comes to the question whether a historical figure was non-straight or not, or in love/a relationship with another figure, that is, it has to be looked at in the context of the time where certain gestures etc. would have had a different meaning/connotation. and that‘s true! but what often gets dismissed in this discussion is that such a culture also gives queer people the possibility to explore their orientation under the „disguise“ of what is socially acceptable in that context. which can, again, be a good thing, i.e. getting to make experiences you wouldn‘t be able to make otherwise, but of course can also be confusing or difficult. i think it‘s possible that being somewhat aligned with the emo scene might have played a role in deppy openly identifying as bi on dailybooth (or whatever platform it was? i‘m not sure) during that time, because it might not have been perceived as unusual among their followers and the people they interacted with – which i personally can‘t say because i wasn‘t there at the time. as for the other discussion – whether this „context“ has any other implications, i‘d say from my experience that this discussion is futile whether you‘re talking about 10 or 200 years ago.
and now it‘s time to take a step back and wonder what turns my life has taken so that i ended up making this comparison.

please note that the above comes from my own experience in case of the emo bits, and from reading i did in my free time some years ago in the 19th century bits, so i didn't mean to state facts and will happily be corrected.

anyways i‘m looking forward to dan‘s new video hopefully soon!

thank you lurker! that's exactly what i was trying to say, i'm just no good with words (also it was like midnight-3am oops)

i hope dan's video will go up at either 5pm est (his usual time) or 9pm est (if he's still in fl), because anytime in between i'll be in class and have to wait.

ooh i love that we're (kinda, sorta) talking about the whole emo/scene thing. while i think i don't think that they were necessarily part of a particularly scene group of friends, i don't think we can undersell how ubiquitous that whole cultural moment was? i honestly think it provided a context in which they could be more open in their own identification (i often jokingly say that everyone was bisexual in 2008, it just stuck for some of us but like...for some pockets of the internet that was pretty true?), the way they interacted on camera, the way they interacted in public online spaces, etc.

i don't think they were 'acting bi for attention' but i do think there being a moment where dudes were really encouraged to act romantically/flirty towards their friends and socially rewarded for doing so made it a hell of a lot easier for Deppy to do so without anyone asking too many questions.

queerofcups wrote:ooh i love that we're (kinda, sorta) talking about the whole emo/scene thing. while i think i don't think that they were necessarily part of a particularly scene group of friends, i don't think we can undersell how ubiquitous that whole cultural moment was? i honestly think it provided a context in which they could be more open in their own identification (i often jokingly say that everyone was bisexual in 2008, it just stuck for some of us but like...for some pockets of the internet that was pretty true?), the way they interacted on camera, the way they interacted in public online spaces, etc.

i don't think they were 'acting bi for attention' but i do think there being a moment where dudes were really encouraged to act romantically/flirty towards their friends and socially rewarded for doing so made it a hell of a lot easier for Deppy to do so without anyone asking too many questions.

This is definitely a fascinating discussion but I'm still struggling to connect it to deppy in the way most people are doing. Like, it makes sense in the bigger picture of the whole youtube scene, but I still don't really see them as doing that or feeling pressure to do that. Their videos didn't contain any heavily flirtatious connotations, that was all smaller scale social media. And on the smaller social media scale, it doesn't make sense to me given that all of their friends were legitimately queer and not playing it up for social rewards. The examples they saw around them were actual instances of non-straight flirting, not the emo bi-for-attention people.

If anything, I think being in a social group of actually queer youtubers would be what made them feel safe expressing themselves on social media.

Though I will say, had Dan and Phil kept on playing it up in the 2011-2012 era when they were actually gaining an audience rapidly and the audience might have been responding to that, I'd be more sold on the theory. The fact that the point at which you'd expect them to be finding ways to snare people in, they began doing the exact opposite of what would have been a popular move seems significant to me, too.

flarequake wrote:
Re Dan's twitter replies, he's a cheeky monkey playing up to the distaste for his new icon, but I was glad to see him, even jokingly, acknowledge his storytelling ability. Proud cheerleader over here I'm not sure he ever confirmed whether he'd choose Slytherin over Gryffindor, but from the way he likes to stir up everyone's anticipation for his videos, I'd go with that. #BahamaDrama is brilliant.

In this liveshow from January 17th he mentions feeling more comfortable being a Slytherin because of Cursed Child. Still hard to know what he would have chosen at age 11. Also Hogwarts houses are more about what you value than your personality. Blah, blah, blah.
Most of his ranting about the play starts at 39:15 but he honestly jumps around so much I'm not sure where the Slytherin mention is. Oh hey let's look at the time stamps on here! Scorbus shipping is at 49:00 and Hogwarts house is at 59:35 and it is pretty cut and dry: Slytherin. Plus a mention of having a crush on Albus (That's because your type is basically you Dan. I think he would like the new Albus even more). But he also said (tweeted?) that Scorpius is his patronus (and Phil is very much a Scorpius). Yay. Thanks missemma! Sorry for the Potterhead rant.

Ah, I'd forgotten all of that completely, though I saw that liveshow at the time. Thanks for the timestamps.

Oooh different background!

welp, looks like we were completely on point with our bahamas theory! woo

DatCog wrote:Oooh different background!

So is he still in America then? Because that house is massive and looks like a holiday resort or something!

Video was funny, I do love how he tells stories, he makes them much more interesting (while being dramatic... only a tiny bit... )

He looks good, love how curly his hair looks and that shirt. I'm missing Phil! I hope he does a live show on Thursday or uploads or something. I miss his liveshows, I have fond memories of painting while listening to him talk.

squishydanny wrote:welp, looks like we were completely on point with our bahamas theory! woo

Only Dan would end up messing up his visa and having to go to the Bahamas for a day Glad to have the full story and it really does fit exactly with what we pieced together, we're getting awful good at these predictions lately
Loved the video, particularly the brief sketch of him making fun of his own rebrand and the various sketches in the airport / bahamas. I'm so ready for more sketch-filled videos from Dan so I hope this continues

Edit: how did I forget: he looked bloody gorgeous in this video too! A bit of a tan, his current haircut and florida humidity are doing all kinds of good things, and I love that floral shirt on him too

Small round of applause for all the visa experts and detectives here! Is there an actual applause emoji? I couldn't find it...

It was a bit strange to watch since, well, I somehow knew the story already, but I really enjoy Dan's way of storytelling, the edits and of course the little skits.

[offtopic]Happy this video was posted now, I was pretty close to a mild mental breakdown because of my exams but now I am feeling better. Thanks Dan![/offtopic]

I enjoyed this vid because he explained the Bahamas thing (though we had already figured it out), but it didn't make me laugh and I don't think this is one that I'll rewatch.
Do like his shirt though.

Since this was filmed in Florida, combined with Phil's tweet, it seems they are still there. This is becoming quite a long holiday.

I enjoyed every fresh minute of that video. Watched it at work (pretending to work) and had the hardest time not bursting out into laughter @ 8:06. Love that everyone was on point with the visa theory! Makes me wonder, in that case, why Phil genuinely didn't have an issue, if Dan said Phil was doing the same thing.

Can't help but chuckle at Dan's weird write-offs for why he was staying back. "To do some work in the sunshine" or whatever. Ok, Dan. You can vacation with your boyfriend's family. You don't have to make work-related excuses.

Also, I think it's actually a bit brilliant of Dan to film a video in FL. Gives him a few more weeks where he can avoid filming in the new place (whether that's to hold on to the extra privacy for a bit more or just because his filming space isn't quite ready, as mentioned). And I love that it gave us a bunch of new backgrounds and a very vacationed-looking Dan.

Basically, the spontaneity and hilarity of this video made it perfect

LtrllySusan wrote:
[offtopic]Happy this video was posted now, I was pretty close to a mild mental breakdown because of my exams but now I am feeling better. Thanks Dan![/offtopic]

sounds dumb but youve just got to think that theyll be over soon, and if youve kept your head throughout the exam season and not procrastinated much the likelihood is youll have done much better than you may have expected


although who are we kidding, you are here and here is a good place to procrastinate even if its not even work youre hiding from

I found this video very funny. I love how some of you predicted it very accurately, at first the whole theory seemed ridiculous to me but in the end i expected this video and it was exactly what you guys said it would be. Something seemed different though, but maybe that was just because I am quite drunk (and I don't mean the background, I am aware that that is in fact different ). Seems like it was filmed in Florida though, the sofa doesn't look like they would own it. So I assume they are both still there after all. Now I doubt Phil will have a ls tomorrow because even if he is home by them, he will probably be pretty jetlagged. Hopefully we'll get a gaming vid at least. Or maybe a joint ls from Florida.

Lol it's ever so slightly anticlimactic when you already "know" the details, but nice to get a video on it anyway. Would it have killed him to get some actual Bahamas footage though, come on. And also, I think shaming bestiality is always fair game but if anyone knows a sentient porcupine capable of communicating informed consent, then uhh, enjoy.

I love the fact that he went to the trouble of going to the Bahamas just to be able to join The Lester Family Holiday™

Also, his idea of "Daniel Howell" looks really good

Well done IDB detectives!

Nice to see a bit of the Florida vacation house...I wonder if they were planning to do a video or two out there because it looks like it was shot on a decent camera.

Also, can I just say that I love that sakura shirt so much, it's now my favourite Dan clothing item!