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majitzu wrote:

awkwardly wrote:
I think it might be a #spon but also genuine.. what was the movie or something that Dan talked about I think in one of his livestreams that a little girl in cinema had finally a female character to look up to and that it's so important? so he might genuinly want to also bring attention to powerpuff girls

Stat Wars... he was talking about Rey.

loststars wrote:

leisurely wrote:is this another #spon or does he genuinely want to make a powerpuff girls version of himself who knows

lol and the contrast with Phil's:

These are cute, wonder what they are about.

I love the discussion so far, guys! I totally agree with almost everything and your posts are very interesting to read. We can only speculate but still.

daphenaxa wrote: also yes I think it is a spon ,remember the voice acting they did a few months ago and Dan said he wasn't sure it really was for most of the phandom, I think it's that!! they are voice acting in the powerpuff reboot?!

kuensukki wrote:I'm going to throw out a new topic out there because D&P released a video so we won't get another one for ages so let's entertain ourselves. I always wonder what made Dan attracted to the initial AP persona and what made him stay after he found out the weird dark guy in his videos weren't actually him. Meeting and adoring a fan from afar is completely different from committing to them in real life which is what he did. What made them keep this friendship/relationship alive under the intense scrutiny and what made them each others sole comfort. I mean its safe to assume that they are probably the most important people in each other life so why did that come about? What did Dan see in Phil and what did Phil see in Dan that made them not really seek any other- be it business wise or relationship/friendship wise?

Here's my take on it. I think when Dan thirsted after Phil, it was just admiration for someone who was popular. Someone who was doing something they liked and being good at it. He probably appreciated the confidence AP exuded and the strangeness of him.

Now Dan's attraction (to friendship if you guys swing that way) is a little hard to decipher. I think in the beginning it was respect and awe. We see the fangirl comments he used to make on Phils videos. But the fact that he still holds that deep admiration even though he's established himself says this respect extended to something ore substantial. He's essentially the self proclaimed Phil Trash#1. Yes we see the flirting and everything but even more, the fact that he went out of his way for Phil and never questioned for a second whether he would move in with him speaks volumes to me. He really must have found something he loved and that above all made him stick along and put just as much into the relationship.

Phil on the other hand was probably attracted to Dan initially because of all the pictures and steamy skype sessions but everyone was flirty and promiscuous so what made Dan catch and hold Phil attention? I think he found someone genuine in Dan. Someone who would laugh at his jokes, share his interests, and is genuinely funny. Watch the first PINOF vids and Phil is holding back laughter form Dan's jokes. He was lonely and Dan helped ease that alot. I think he enjoyed that Dan turned to him for advice and gave him so much respect. He may have wanted to encourage Dan and give him confidence in his abilities because he saw something special that Dan himself still couldn't see. (if this is too fanfictiony sorry )


Their whole relationship fascinates me because at the end of the day they were two strangers online that found each other and formed this special bond (cough..destiny..cough). I see them as soulmates- whether they are endgame or not. At the end of the day we can psychoanalyze the hell out of them but they will be the only people that know each other though and though. And the fact that they seem to appreciate every quality of each other with fondness and endearment makes me happy.

OKAY THIS WAS A TRASH POST, ITS FLUFFY TO NO END

mermaid blood wrote:

Diyes_Celine wrote:

angrymob wrote:I still question whether Dan really put that much more effort into contacting Phil than he did other youtubers. Phil may have been the one who was easiest to start and continue a conversation with (I mean, if they can talk on skype for 5 hours, pfft) and who returned that attention the most.

This. I always wonder whether Dan gave the same intensity of fan boy attention to a handful of Youtubers (particularly from the UK) and he just got lucky that Phil noticed his admiration. I remember he mentioned that he was a fan of Charlie McDonnell but during a meet and greet he was heartbroken coz he didn't recognise him despite starting his channel. Dan was really a fan boy.

Maybe it's my conservative upbringing but it really bothers me that Dan went to Manchester several times just for Phil. What did his parents say? Alone for days in a strangers house? Really?! If I didn't find their relationship endearing I'll just think that it was a college student who took advantage of his high school student stalker. I really think their questionable beginnings is a factor why they can't easily come out as a couple

he was 18, though, graduated, and working when he visited Phil. his parents let him go to another country at 16 with his then girlfriend, and he has a story of being alone in a park with his friend at midnight when he was 8. they were just less conservative/controlling parents, is all. 18 is also considered an adult where i'm from, most people I knew moved out of home after highschool. (as did I)

they may have had an issue with Phil, however, we just don't know (and probably never will). Dan's sad/stressed tweets from that time are too ambiguous.

karma_yeah wrote: Another person who seems to have a bit of Phil's quirkiness towards darkness is Bertie. I remember this video of him and Dan (hope it embeds)

Mama_Phan wrote:I posted this on my tumblr cause I believe that the pentacle gets a bad reputation and I know it was just a joke and i get what they were going for I just want to inform people about what the Pentacle means to me and many other people.
The Pentagram is a symbol of a star encased in a circle. Always with 5 points and each has its own meaning. The upward point of the star is representative of the spirit. The other four points all represent an element; earth, air, fire, and water. All these things contribute to life and are a part of each of us. The pentacle is not an evil symbol. Some people think it means devil worshiping and bad things like that but that is not the case.

spider wrote: akui Don't completely agree but can definitely see where you're coming from.

starlight-still wrote:- OK, this is going to sound hokey but I think maybe Dan sees Phil in a way that others don’t (because they are distracted by the creativity, brilliance, etc.)? Tales of teen popularity struggles aside, Phil strikes me as the type of person that many are simply in awe of (because of his intelligence, talent, creativity, strangeness/is-he-an-alien, etc.) and don’t quite see as experiencing doubt, since he appears to overcome it so quickly. But Dan knows and appreciates that what he does is not so easy for him and takes work and courage every single day. Phil’s talked about being ‘extremely shy’ before uni (given that he’s also mentioned going stir-crazy without human interaction after a period of time, it seems like he’s a shy-ish or formerly shy extrovert) and mentions getting nervous before major events and performances (lately, he jokes around about not tripping or looking deer-in-headlights terrified in TATINOF FREEDOM Edition). He seems to be overcoming this more and more with each major milestone and having someone like Dan who can appreciate the importance of each step must be quite encouraging.
- Finally, attitudes towards unexpected change/challenges/etc. Phil’s hinted a bunch of times at not being the best at dealing with stressful situations, such as the story in TAABINOF (?) about how they thought they were going to miss their flight to Japan and Phil went into panic mode and ran across the airport (similar to the #whyisPhilrunning incident), when he talked about early BBC radio days and said something like ‘changing the plan is like my worst thing’ and Dan was talking about he does ‘the pacing thing with the hand.’ Existential crises aside, Dan seems like the type to keep an eye on the bigger picture and to roll with the punches, so to speak, which, at the very least, balances out during the creative process. Dan is also very logical, analytical, and diplomatic (e.g.- stepping in to address angry NY dad at Barnes and Noble; I didn’t see Phil being so much scared in that moment as kinda like ::strums guitar:: “fuck this shit, I’m out”…don’t know why exactly): probably a lot better at stepping back and thinking through all the implications of a situation carefully than what is projected in DINOF.

alittledizzy wrote:I'll one-up you on the hokeyness meter: I don't think either of them is particularly comfortable and confident without the other. I do agree that Dan's in-the-moment calm counterbalances the anxiety Phil feels when plans are changed or threatened abruptly, but I'm not sure without Phil to focus on that Dan would roll with the punches quite so easy. Dan seems very bolstered by having someone else to, in a way, care of and center himself on and that works well with his impulsive nature when something calls for an immediate reaction.

akui wrote: Because what Phil did last year, passing off the opportunity of interviewing the hunger game cast, i interpreted as Phil actively pushing Dan out of his nest. (and i suspect he supported or maybe even persuaded Dan when Dan first got the BBC 3 offer)

loststars wrote:

leisurely wrote:is this another #spon or does he genuinely want to make a powerpuff girls version of himself who knows

lol and the contrast with Phil's:

These are cute, wonder what they are about.

I love the discussion so far, guys! I totally agree with almost everything and your posts are very interesting to read. We can only speculate but still.

antigone wrote:

akui wrote: Because what Phil did last year, passing off the opportunity of interviewing the hunger game cast, i interpreted as Phil actively pushing Dan out of his nest. (and i suspect he supported or maybe even persuaded Dan when Dan first got the BBC 3 offer)

Sorry for confusion but are we sure that Phil was even offered these opportunities? Perhaps I missed something but I assumed only Dan was offered the chance to interview the cast and do the documentary.

Regardless, why do you assume Phil would push Dan to do these rather than Dan taking them up himself? I don't think there is any evidence to suggest this might be the case, and imo I thought Dan seemed quite enthused about the solo documentary project.

greatnessflicker wrote:

antigone wrote:

akui wrote: Because what Phil did last year, passing off the opportunity of interviewing the hunger game cast, i interpreted as Phil actively pushing Dan out of his nest. (and i suspect he supported or maybe even persuaded Dan when Dan first got the BBC 3 offer)

Sorry for confusion but are we sure that Phil was even offered these opportunities? Perhaps I missed something but I assumed only Dan was offered the chance to interview the cast and do the documentary.

Regardless, why do you assume Phil would push Dan to do these rather than Dan taking them up himself? I don't think there is any evidence to suggest this might be the case, and imo I thought Dan seemed quite enthused about the solo documentary project.

Can't say about the doc, but in their joint younows (Nov. 14?), Dan jokes that Phil didn't go because he had a haircut and then Phil said something to the effect of, no, he could have rescheduled the haircut, but Jennifer Lawrence was Dan's "thing" so he wanted to let him have that opportunity.

antigone wrote:

akui wrote: Because what Phil did last year, passing off the opportunity of interviewing the hunger game cast, i interpreted as Phil actively pushing Dan out of his nest. (and i suspect he supported or maybe even persuaded Dan when Dan first got the BBC 3 offer)

Sorry for confusion but are we sure that Phil was even offered these opportunities? Perhaps I missed something but I assumed only Dan was offered the chance to interview the cast and do the documentary.

Regardless, why do you assume Phil would push Dan to do these rather than Dan taking them up himself? I don't think there is any evidence to suggest this might be the case, and imo I thought Dan seemed quite enthused about the solo documentary project.

starlight-still wrote:
- OK, this is going to sound hokey but I think maybe Dan sees Phil in a way that others don’t (because they are distracted by the creativity, brilliance, etc.)? Tales of teen popularity struggles aside, Phil strikes me as the type of person that many are simply in awe of (because of his intelligence, talent, creativity, strangeness/is-he-an-alien, etc.) and don’t quite see as experiencing doubt, since he appears to overcome it so quickly. But Dan knows and appreciates that what he does is not so easy for him and takes work and courage every single day. Phil’s talked about being ‘extremely shy’ before uni (given that he’s also mentioned going stir-crazy without human interaction after a period of time, it seems like he’s a shy-ish or formerly shy extrovert) and mentions getting nervous before major events and performances (lately, he jokes around about not tripping or looking deer-in-headlights terrified in TATINOF FREEDOM Edition). He seems to be overcoming this more and more with each major milestone and having someone like Dan who can appreciate the importance of each step must be quite encouraging.
- Finally, attitudes towards unexpected change/challenges/etc. Phil’s hinted a bunch of times at not being the best at dealing with stressful situations, such as the story in TAABINOF (?) about how they thought they were going to miss their flight to Japan and Phil went into panic mode and ran across the airport (similar to the #whyisPhilrunning incident), when he talked about early BBC radio days and said something like ‘changing the plan is like my worst thing’ and Dan was talking about he does ‘the pacing thing with the hand.’ Existential crises aside, Dan seems like the type to keep an eye on the bigger picture and to roll with the punches, so to speak, which, at the very least, balances out during the creative process. Dan is also very logical, analytical, and diplomatic (e.g.- stepping in to address angry NY dad at Barnes and Noble; I didn’t see Phil being so much scared in that moment as kinda like ::strums guitar:: “fuck this shit, I’m out”…don’t know why exactly): probably a lot better at stepping back and thinking through all the implications of a situation carefully than what is projected in DINOF.

Reflecting on these, I tend to think of Dan (not DINOF but Dan) as being quite stable/grounded, even when he was younger. Having been through the dramatic-decision-to-leave-one-path-for-another thing, I know that it takes a tremendous amount of self-reflection and bravery to strike out like that. In TAABINOF, he talks at length about how much he planned and contemplated and prepared for his YouTube channel. He seemed to know exactly what he wanted to do even before he met Phil. The existential crises come when you’re hyper aware of the impact of what you’re doing and can see all of the potential results either way…if you don’t pull yourself together, make a choice, you risk getting stuck in that pit of despair and confusion (ahem, #relatable). Phil’s carpe diem attitude is just the tonic.

kuensukki wrote:

antigone wrote:

akui wrote: Because what Phil did last year, passing off the opportunity of interviewing the hunger game cast, i interpreted as Phil actively pushing Dan out of his nest. (and i suspect he supported or maybe even persuaded Dan when Dan first got the BBC 3 offer)

Sorry for confusion but are we sure that Phil was even offered these opportunities? Perhaps I missed something but I assumed only Dan was offered the chance to interview the cast and do the documentary.

Regardless, why do you assume Phil would push Dan to do these rather than Dan taking them up himself? I don't think there is any evidence to suggest this might be the case, and imo I thought Dan seemed quite enthused about the solo documentary project.

We assume that Phil was also offered the project because Dan said it in a live show. He also said that Phil didn't want to do the gaming documentary. I think Phil was very nervous about doing an interview on his own so he must have encouraged Dan to do it but sat himself out. He tends to blurt to wrong things and all youtuber interviews to a degree end up being awkward so I think Phil wanted to prevent that. He still got his 7 sec app in (#spon) but did not deal with the anxiety that come with interviews. I don't know if anyone remembers last year in BBC awards, they interviewed a band who didn't play along with the game and instead of improvising Phil got really agitated/flustered with their lack of interest. He does not do well with people not accommodating, probably because he may be stubborn in his ideas.

I hope Phil gets to do a documentary for BBC preferably with animals, I was watching his crocodile adventures in Florida and they were great!

oqua wrote: I made my own versions of D&P because I think they're in denial about what they actually look like (well, tbf I'm in denial too, because I gave Phil a quiff. A girl can dream ).
(P.S. Yes, I flipped Dan...none of the hairs went the right direction lol ).



Also, everyone's posts are great! Keep them coming! Such interesting reads!!