Dan & Phil Part 16: Old, Hungover, and Probably High

[DryCereal]

Clearly Dan, Phil and Martyn have been getting up to no good in Phoenix...!

Poe made me post it.

[coffee pig]

Where I live you can easily spot some famous Dutch people, but it is always my philosophy to not bother them and let them get on with it. Tough to be fair, I don’t really care that much for most famous Dutch people so that helps.

I feel like that's so very Dutch in general. You see Dutch celebs in Amsterdam living their lives, picking their kids up from school or just walking around the city and no one really bothers them. No one cares.

The only Dutch celeb I ever see is Ali B. The novelty has worn of after all these years tbh. Nice guy though.

It is a very Dutch mentality to have, I think. My friend lives in the same street as Gerard Joling (a Dutch singer) and I've seen him so many times idgaf any more. This philosophy extends to other celebrities as well, though. Like if I saw in the streets of London I'd probably leave them alone instead of asking for a selfie. I don't blame them for not wanting to talk to fans outside of meet and greet settings, I'd probably do the same.

[jellyfish]

Totally offtopic

also I know it's been 20 pages but the superfluous comma in the thread title makes me wince every time I read it

It's an Oxford comma, so not actually incorrect!

Did you just register to comment on the oxford comma?

Yes couldn't help myself!

[bluebox-away]

Where I live you can easily spot some famous Dutch people, but it is always my philosophy to not bother them and let them get on with it. Tough to be fair, I don’t really care that much for most famous Dutch people so that helps.

I feel like that's so very Dutch in general. You see Dutch celebs in Amsterdam living their lives, picking their kids up from school or just walking around the city and no one really bothers them. No one cares.

The only Dutch celeb I ever see is Ali B. The novelty has worn of after all these years tbh. Nice guy though.

It is a very Dutch mentality to have, I think. My friend lives in the same street as Gerard Joling (a Dutch singer) and I've seen him so many times idgaf any more. This philosophy extends to other celebrities as well, though. Like if I saw in the streets of London I'd probably leave them alone instead of asking for a selfie. I don't blame them for not wanting to talk to fans outside of meet and greet settings, I'd probably do the same.

+1 on this being a very Dutch mentality, I haven't really encountered such a relaxed response to celebrities anywhere else. I think it's just to do with it being a small country where the celebrities seem a bit more normal? Like they're not generally as wildly rich compared to normal people, unlike say the Kardashians or Bieber..
If I felt like I really wasn't bothering them I might go say hi if I saw a celeb I like on the street, but at the end of the day they're just normal people and I can imagine they'd rather be left alone in their down time.
Tbh after watching Tyler's film I gained a bit of appreciation for how annoying it must be to have fans waiting outside your hotel and things like that when you can't really get away from it

[chloek88]

eevee, I hope this isn't rude or too confrontational and perhaps the conversation has come to an end, but i'd like to speak up, because your attitude about d & p and fans has really rustled my jimmies. It sounds to me like you are annoyed by encounters with them in which you 1. cornered them at the entrance of a restaurant, so they'd have no choice but to speak with you upon exiting and 2. chased after them when they were clearly in a hurry/didn't want to speak to fans, and once they did kindly stop and talk, you guilted them for not stopping to talk the day earlier!! this sounds rude, demanding, and kind of stalkerish...

I feel that the way you speak about dan and phil's time is dehumanizing. you've basically said their time is irrelevant, as are any engagements they might have, since they should be prioritizing meeting fans above all else, even if it means they'd be late for something. i find this entitled and showing a complete disregard for dan and phil's lives as things that exist outside of our own wants, desires, and demands as fans of theirs.
i don't think anyone ever owes another person their time if it's not something they have mutually agreed upon, especially if those people are strangers to one another and especially if a person has celebrity status and constantly has their privacy invaded and personal time co-opted by fans.

think of it this way--if a beautiful woman goes out and men who appreciate her looks are constantly trying to talk to her--does she owe them any of her time, whether she's at a restaurant, in a hurry, or with other friends? if she slights/ignores a man who calls out to her, corners her, or chases her, does that man have any right to be upset?
sure, dan and phil may have careers in the public eye, but i think it's ludicrous to assume that because someone establishes themselves creatively and garners success and fans who appreciate their work, they then automatically owe those fans face-to-face time. (it's even more ludicrous to think that those people should be publicly announcing their locations via real-time instagrams and tweets, essentially inviting people to come track them down and demand time from them..) i think that assumption is a dangerous consequence of our current celebrity culture, and it's an insidious attitude that i see across fans of all fandoms.

dan and phil have met hundreds, perhaps thousands of fans on this tour. they carved out that chunk of meet and greet time on their own terms. (that in and of itself can be quite draining; maybe that's all the stranger-interaction they have in them.) i think we should respect their personal space, their lives, their time, their preservation of mental health, and treat them like fellow humans! they don't owe us a damn thing just because we happen to enjoy their content. Additionally, it is worth keeping in mind that yeah, a youtube-based celeb was just SHOT DEAD by an obsessive "fan" as she went in to hug him at an unplanned, spontaneous fan meetup.
(This isn't solely directed at you, eevee, since i see many fans in the phandom and other fandoms who share similar or worse attitudes.) ok, that's all i've got

[SquishPhan]

Where I live you can easily spot some famous Dutch people, but it is always my philosophy to not bother them and let them get on with it. Tough to be fair, I don’t really care that much for most famous Dutch people so that helps.

I feel like that's so very Dutch in general. You see Dutch celebs in Amsterdam living their lives, picking their kids up from school or just walking around the city and no one really bothers them. No one cares.

The only Dutch celeb I ever see is Ali B. The novelty has worn of after all these years tbh. Nice guy though.

It is a very Dutch mentality to have, I think. My friend lives in the same street as Gerard Joling (a Dutch singer) and I've seen him so many times idgaf any more. This philosophy extends to other celebrities as well, though. Like if I saw in the streets of London I'd probably leave them alone instead of asking for a selfie. I don't blame them for not wanting to talk to fans outside of meet and greet settings, I'd probably do the same.

+1 on this being a very Dutch mentality, I haven't really encountered such a relaxed response to celebrities anywhere else. I think it's just to do with it being a small country where the celebrities seem a bit more normal? Like they're not generally as wildly rich compared to normal people, unlike say the Kardashians or Bieber..
If I felt like I really wasn't bothering them I might go say hi if I saw a celeb I like on the street, but at the end of the day they're just normal people and I can imagine they'd rather be left alone in their down time.
Tbh after watching Tyler's film I gained a bit of appreciation for how annoying it must be to have fans waiting outside your hotel and things like that when you can't really get away from it

Yes to all of this.
If I saw in the streets of London, I probably will just leave them alone too. Guess that is just the Dutch mentality, for the most part at least.

[ironic]

I kind of share your mentality about that. I was at a music festival on Sunday and there were three somewhat famous (their channel has more than 2 millions subscribers) youtubers standing next to me for a while and I wouldn't even think of bothering them. But I feel like even our big celebrities aren't that big, they're mostly treated like regular people, I think.

If I lived in UK and encountered deppy I know I wouldn't talk to them, though I'm not sure if I would be more intimidated by their fame or I just wouldn't care or wouldn't want to bother them because they're also just people after all.

[fancy_nancy]

monochrome couple

Ugh. Even their shoes match. What a couple. Too lovely doves

...Is it just me or do Dan's jeans look more like Phil's instead of his usual painted on ones?

I thought exactly the same, his jeans look so frumpy on him, like they're not quite his size or something

[swofro]

monochrome couple

Ugh. Even their shoes match. What a couple. Too lovely doves

...Is it just me or do Dan's jeans look more like Phil's instead of his usual painted on ones?

I thought exactly the same, his jeans look so frumpy on him, like they're not quite his size or something

As a non-native, what does frumpy means?
I think it is Dan's, because he usually wear his jeans low on his hip, and they usually look like that

[bluebox-away]

monochrome couple

Ugh. Even their shoes match. What a couple. Too lovely doves

...Is it just me or do Dan's jeans look more like Phil's instead of his usual painted on ones?

I thought exactly the same, his jeans look so frumpy on him, like they're not quite his size or something

As a non-native, what does frumpy means?
I think it is Dan's, because he usually wear his jeans low on his hip, and they usually look like that

Hmm frumpy is like.. baggy, unflattering? Ill-fitting? But it can also mean old-fashioned or outdated so idk how to define it exactly but it's along those lines

[DryCereal]

monochrome couple

Ugh. Even their shoes match. What a couple. Too lovely doves

...Is it just me or do Dan's jeans look more like Phil's instead of his usual painted on ones?

I thought exactly the same, his jeans look so frumpy on him, like they're not quite his size or something

Both of them, tbh. Baggiest skinny jeans i've ever seen! Either they've been over-washed and lost their shape, or 've lost some weight on tour.

[alittledizzy]

monochrome couple

Ugh. Even their shoes match. What a couple. Too lovely doves

...Is it just me or do Dan's jeans look more like Phil's instead of his usual painted on ones?

I thought exactly the same, his jeans look so frumpy on him, like they're not quite his size or something

Both of them, tbh. Either they've been over-washed and lost their shape, or 've lost some weight on tour.

Dan's definitely look more like the style of jeans that Phil normally wears. They share every other type of clothing - borrowing a pair of jeans for comfort or convenience doesn't seem strange.

[flarequake]

Phil, bless him, always looks so tired in airport photos. I think those are the second or third pair of his identical pairs of trainers Caspar pointed out in their collab. He wore a bright white pair a while ago, lately he's had a well-worn pair on again. Dan's jeans look to me like his normal ones, just a bit baggy around his pocketful of phone. Also looks like they're a bit lower than usual maybe. It's probably the angle, but Dan looks a bit shorter than Phil for once too. Unless it's just the twilight zone of airports.

[eevee]

eevee, I hope this isn't rude or too confrontational and perhaps the conversation has come to an end, but i'd like to speak up, because your attitude about d & p and fans has really rustled my jimmies. It sounds to me like you are annoyed by encounters with them in which you 1. cornered them at the entrance of a restaurant, so they'd have no choice but to speak with you upon exiting and 2. chased after them when they were clearly in a hurry/didn't want to speak to fans, and once they did kindly stop and talk, you guilted them for not stopping to talk the day earlier!! this sounds rude, demanding, and kind of stalkerish...

Were we circling around the restaurant entrance, trapping them inside? No. We were actually off to the side of the entrance, sitting down. I can understand why you could think we were trying to guilt them but that wasn't our intention, we also told them that their meetup got cut off which is out of their control, in hopes that they would maybe meet more fans with that in mind. We didn't mean to be rude to them and the way we said it wasn't bitter or rude, but I do agree that if it were now with me being older and more mature i wouldn't have said something like that to them now. I can 100% see where you're coming from.

I feel that the way you speak about dan and phil's time is dehumanizing. you've basically said their time is irrelevant, as are any engagements they might have, since they should be prioritizing meeting fans above all else, even if it means they'd be late for something. i find this entitled and showing a complete disregard for dan and phil's lives as things that exist outside of our own wants, desires, and demands as fans of theirs.
i don't think anyone ever owes another person their time if it's not something they have mutually agreed upon, especially if those people are strangers to one another and especially if a person has celebrity status and constantly has their privacy invaded and personal time co-opted by fans.

I do agree that Dan and Phil don't owe their fans anything and yes the fans voluntarily decide to follow D&P with nothing back but youtube videos, but I do feel like when going to a con it is a mutually agreed upon between the creator and the fan that if met randomly, that's okay. At that time they didn't have a body guard and were less famous so they could go out without getting mobbed. Lots of people met them randomly during the con as well as other youtubers, for example I forget which con and which year but I witnessed a impromptu Zoella meetup at one of the cons and she had no problem meeting people outside of a M&G. However I would also like to say that this is NOT the only time i've met D&P outside of a M&G, I also met D&P in 2012 outside of a M&G and they were absolutely lovely and actually talked to me and my group of friends a decent amount and it was a very cool thing to happen. So I don't mean to make any kind of blanket statement about D&P being rude or anything like that, I'm sure that my 2013 playlist experience was outside of the norm, and that's why i'm not mad at D&P or holding it against them, when I shared the experience I honestly just meant to share the reality of what happened and I didn't mean to cast any negativity on D&P as people at all. If I was super bitter and disliked D&P for that small thing I would be a negative person 1 and 2 not on a forum dedicated to D&P! lol

think of it this way--if a beautiful woman goes out and men who appreciate her looks are constantly trying to talk to her--does she owe them any of her time, whether she's at a restaurant, in a hurry, or with other friends? if she slights/ignores a man who calls out to her, corners her, or chases her, does that man have any right to be upset?

I honestly don't see the connection here and can hardly respond, but if a beautiful woman is harassed on the street obviously no, she owes the men nothing. However being a celebrity in my opinion is absolutely different from that.

dan and phil have met hundreds, perhaps thousands of fans on this tour. they carved out that chunk of meet and greet time on their own terms. (that in and of itself can be quite draining; maybe that's all the stranger-interaction they have in them.) i think we should respect their personal space, their lives, their time, their preservation of mental health, and treat them like fellow humans! they don't owe us a damn thing just because we happen to enjoy their content. Additionally, it is worth keeping in mind that yeah, a youtube-based celeb was just SHOT DEAD by an obsessive "fan" as she went in to hug him at an unplanned, spontaneous fan meetup.
(This isn't solely directed at you, eevee, since i see many fans in the phandom and other fandoms who share similar or worse attitudes.) ok, that's all i've got

I've already stated how much I appreciate them travelling around the world just to meet fans!!! Like that's amazing. I think it's absolutely amazing.

My experience with D&P was way before the Chrisinta Grimmie thing happened and obviously at the time no one was worried about that, but today yes that is a real concern and it's 100% valid for D&P or any youtuber to be taking that into account when meeting fans. Bodyguards, security, all that's A-Okay.

Bottom line is I don't mean to cast any negativity on D&P and I'm sorry to anyone who took it that way. I love D&P and someone asked me what I meant by them running from fans at playlist so I told the true story.

[corn flakes]

& : you made me remember that they drink soluble coffee, like

They both look good in those photos, don't know about the clothes but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost weight even with the shitty diet.

Now that I lost all hope for ls and videos I'm waiting for vidcon, will cat vlog? will they film with the fine bros after the scandal?will dan finally cave to the heat and wear something appropiate?

This was an useless post to also ask galaxy backpack:maybe I ask too much from it but has it enough space for pc, ring binder and some heavy textbooks?

[coffee pig]

http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... dicated-to

Someone is talking about us to the mods of this antiphan blog...anyone want to confess? Also I love how this person responded with ''that seems invasive,'' as if they don't do any analyzing on their blog. Okay then.

I have no idea why this person rubs me the wrong way...like I said, I have no problem with antiphans as I'm not a ''shipper'' myself per se.

[jaej]

"i dont enjoy analysing them but heres why dan definitely isnt bisexual i mean he can be whatever sexuality he wants omg obviously we dont know its up to him we arent trying to prove anything but hes definitely not bisexual guys he only talks about men out of ~respect~ platonically"

[coffee pig]

"i dont enjoy analysing them but heres why dan definitely isnt bisexual i mean he can be whatever sexuality he wants omg obviously we dont know its up to him we arent trying to prove anything but hes definitely not bisexual guys he only talks about men out of ~respect~ platonically"

Yes, that's why they rub me the wrong way. Thank you for reminding me jaej. Also I'm all for thirsting over the boys but the way the mods talks about them sometimes borders on creepy/desperate. To be fair they do think Dan is bi, apparently, but with a preference for women, but he only talks about men he wants to look like/is jealous of?? I'm confused.

[NarrysCanary]

http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... dicated-to

Someone is talking about us to the mods of this antiphan blog...anyone want to confess? Also I love how this person responded with ''that seems invasive,'' as if they don't do any analyzing on their blog. Okay then.

I have no idea why this person rubs me the wrong way...like I said, I have no problem with antiphans as I'm not a ''shipper'' myself per se.

I mean we don't really analyze anything, do we ? At least we don't anylize things deeply

[Diyes_Celine]

"i dont enjoy analysing them but heres why dan definitely isnt bisexual i mean he can be whatever sexuality he wants omg obviously we dont know its up to him we arent trying to prove anything but hes definitely not bisexual guys he only talks about men out of ~respect~ platonically"

Sorry but... Ugh whatever. If we can't prove Dan's bisexual how can you say he talks about men platonically?
But I agree IDB is hilarious coz this is more entertaining than Deppy's current (lack off) content.
Invasive??? Well feel like putting Phan edits or fanfics pairing themselves to either Dan or Phil on their main tags is more invasive. But whatever...

[NarrysCanary]

"i dont enjoy analysing them but heres why dan definitely isnt bisexual i mean he can be whatever sexuality he wants omg obviously we dont know its up to him we arent trying to prove anything but hes definitely not bisexual guys he only talks about men out of ~respect~ platonically"

They've also said one day that Dan only talks about "mainstream" guys like Dylan O'Brien so it doesn't really count as attraction, I personally find him attractive and it has nothing to do with the fact he's mainstream or not. It is like the link that I have I posted once where they show that Dan finds more women attractive than men so it makes him "more straight"

[coffee pig]

http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... dicated-to

Someone is talking about us to the mods of this antiphan blog...anyone want to confess? Also I love how this person responded with ''that seems invasive,'' as if they don't do any analyzing on their blog. Okay then.

I have no idea why this person rubs me the wrong way...like I said, I have no problem with antiphans as I'm not a ''shipper'' myself per se.

I mean we don't really analyze anything, do we ? At least we don't anylize things deeply

The answer to that is yes, we do completely and utterly overanalyze things. Some of it serious, mostly tongue-in-cheek, but ultimately I think it's harmless. We analyze videos/tweets/pictures that have put out there in the world, knowing that people will interpret it however they want.
It would be invasive if we were constantly digging up personal information Dan and Phil want to keep private. Voldy and certain deleted tweets/Formspring answers are the exception, obviously, but those have been so widely circulated on the internet that I don't consider it ''invasive'' to talk about them.

[trashqueen]

http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... dicated-to

Someone is talking about us to the mods of this antiphan blog...anyone want to confess? Also I love how this person responded with ''that seems invasive,'' as if they don't do any analyzing on their blog. Okay then.

I have no idea why this person rubs me the wrong way...like I said, I have no problem with antiphans as I'm not a ''shipper'' myself per se.

I mean we don't really analyze anything, do we ? At least we don't anylize things deeply

lol have you seen what we become when dan does a solo live show? especially when he actually feels like blessing us with opinions?

and now i feel like re watching the weird mood ribena ls from like august last year, what a blessing that was

but yeah even outside of that, we do analyze them to hell and back, that's the fun

[NarrysCanary]

http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... dicated-to

Someone is talking about us to the mods of this antiphan blog...anyone want to confess? Also I love how this person responded with ''that seems invasive,'' as if they don't do any analyzing on their blog. Okay then.

I have no idea why this person rubs me the wrong way...like I said, I have no problem with antiphans as I'm not a ''shipper'' myself per se.

I mean we don't really analyze anything, do we ? At least we don't anylize things deeply

The answer to that is yes, we do completely and utterly overanalyze things. Some of it serious, mostly tongue-in-cheek, but ultimately I think it's harmless. We analyze videos/tweets/pictures that have put out there in the world, knowing that people will interpret it however they want.
It would be invasive if we were constantly digging up personal information Dan and Phil want to keep private. Voldy and certain deleted tweets/Formspring answers are the exception, obviously, but those have been so widely circulated on the internet that I don't consider it ''invasive'' to talk about them.

Yeah, I agree. I was also thinking about the time we analyzed the reflection in Dan's eye when he posted a close up selfie to see if we could see Phil and it was in a jokey way (well, at least I hope it was) so to me we're not really overanalyzing ... we're just reacting and gossiping about what they give us

[alittledizzy]

http://stopphanproofing.tumblr.com/post ... dicated-to

Someone is talking about us to the mods of this antiphan blog...anyone want to confess? Also I love how this person responded with ''that seems invasive,'' as if they don't do any analyzing on their blog. Okay then.

I have no idea why this person rubs me the wrong way...like I said, I have no problem with antiphans as I'm not a ''shipper'' myself per se.

I mean we don't really analyze anything, do we ? At least we don't anylize things deeply

lol have you seen what we become when dan does a solo live show? especially when he actually feels like blessing us with opinions?

and now i feel like re watching the weird mood ribena ls from like august last year, what a blessing that was

but yeah even outside of that, we do analyze them to hell and back, that's the fun

The analyzing is the whole draw of the forum for me, tbh. You can flail over pictures and tweets on tumblr - but a forum is for discussion, for really digging in and having a long-form back and forth with other fans who look at things just as critically or analytically as you do.

(Not that I'm opposed to a little bit of the flailing, too. I just like it when it's balanced with actual thoughts and observations.)