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hello9217 wrote: Sat Nov 18, 2017 9:38 pm Like I get why people think they have two apartments and it's an easy idea to be sold on but the thing that holds me back on that is why is Phil's room so small. Like even if one apartment is for filming and one is for living then Phil should still have a master bedroom since Dan films in more of an office space and not a bedroom. I always thought that Phil's room and the gaming room were the first floor or more of like a basement because in his sleepless night he walks down stairs to get to his room. Then the second floor is where the door to enter is, the slounge, Dan's filming area, the moon room, and the kitchen. Finally the top floor is dan's desk, a smaller kitchen area and the other lounge. Like why would they have an apartment for filming and one for living if the film in both of them?

In the June 8th LS, Phil himself said he gave up the bigger room:
I also think it would make complete sense for Phil to give up a second master bedroom if he's not actually sleeping in that room at all and shares "Dan's" bedroom. They film significantly more in the gaming room anyway than Phil does in his room.

tnx everyone who answered to my previous posts. I understand why it is bad and shouldn’t have raised the topic.

Correct me if I'm wrong but haven't they mentioned an elevator as well? I know Dan mentioned an elevator in a live show and how he forgot to press the button. But that might have been for a meeting at an office?

Oh gosh seeing everyone talking about the apartment makes my brain melt. I have never seen such a confusing flat in my life. Is like a maze!

Just interrupting the current topic to add my thoughts on the Sims doggo video. Their excitement was so good, it was their cutest video probably ever. Loved the moment they both looked at the camera or said something in sync. Can’t quite believe they’ve probably got another alien baboo on the way, but the family interacting with the puppy and then finding it asleep in Dil and Tabs’ room all made for a lovely video. I’m kinda invested in the Howlters and how attached they are so I hope if they do decide to bring it to a close that they do it well (though if the game throws in a curveball that leads to Howlter family doom, so be it, it doesn’t have to be contrived to be good).

I think I lean more toward the 'one flat over 3-4 floors' theory than 'two separate flats, one for living and one for filming in' theory. Mainly because they've filmed in both (and they arguably show us more of the 'living in' flat than they do the 'filming in' flat), so I feel like they'd just be wasting a whole lot of money by not sticking to their original plan. I agree with others who've speculated that their flat was once two flats converted into one, and that:
- the top floor contains: the living area with big windows and gaming shelves, the computer/piano nook, and a kitchen
- the floor below that contains: Dan's bedroom, an ensuite, maybe another room, front door and entranceway
- the bottom floor(s) contain: Phil's bedroom, the gaming room (originally a master bedroom with an ensuite), the slounge, Dan's filming nook, the baking kitchen and presumably another bathroom

Given that there are so many rooms in the tiled area of the house, I feel like they must be spread over multiple floors, so it seems likely that their flat has at least four floors (which is supported by Dan exaggerating that they have nine floors).

There are some little things that throw me though:
a) the balcony/ies. They definitely have two - one off the upstairs kitchen, and one somewhere in the tiled area - the slounge or downstairs kitchen I'm guessing. Yet I'm sure Phil did say something like "we have a balcony" in his most recent liveshow, indicating that there's just one (I can't be assed to double-check his wording so this is a disclaimer that I may be completely wrong here).

b) the kitchens. I do admit it seems unlikely that they would have two kitchens in the one flat, and if they did I feel like they would have mentioned it (something like "This flat is super weird, we have two kitchens") rather than only ever referring to it in the singular.

In summary, I am just endlessly confused.

captainspacecoat wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:03 am I think I lean more toward the 'one flat over 3-4 floors' theory than 'two separate flats, one for living and one for filming in' theory. Mainly because they've filmed in both (and they arguably show us more of the 'living in' flat than they do the 'filming in' flat), so I feel like they'd just be wasting a whole lot of money by not sticking to their original plan. I agree with others who've speculated that their flat was once two flats converted into one, and that:
- the top floor contains: the living area with big windows and gaming shelves, the computer/piano nook, and a kitchen
- the floor below that contains: Dan's bedroom, an ensuite, maybe another room, front door and entranceway
- the bottom floor(s) contain: Phil's bedroom, the gaming room (originally a master bedroom with an ensuite), the slounge, Dan's filming nook, the baking kitchen and presumably another bathroom

Given that there are so many rooms in the tiled area of the house, I feel like they must be spread over multiple floors, so it seems likely that their flat has at least four floors (which is supported by Dan exaggerating that they have nine floors).

There are some little things that throw me though:
a) the balcony/ies. They definitely have two - one off the upstairs kitchen, and one somewhere in the tiled area - the slounge or downstairs kitchen I'm guessing. Yet I'm sure Phil did say something like "we have a balcony" in his most recent liveshow, indicating that there's just one (I can't be assed to double-check his wording so this is a disclaimer that I may be completely wrong here).

b) the kitchens. I do admit it seems unlikely that they would have two kitchens in the one flat, and if they did I feel like they would have mentioned it (something like "This flat is super weird, we have two kitchens") rather than only ever referring to it in the singular.

In summary, I am just endlessly confused.

this is the theory i feel like makes the most sense to me, but the last bit i put in bold pretty much sums up the last 5 mins of me catching up on the thread.

captainspacecoat wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:03 am I think I lean more toward the 'one flat over 3-4 floors' theory than 'two separate flats, one for living and one for filming in' theory. Mainly because they've filmed in both (and they arguably show us more of the 'living in' flat than they do the 'filming in' flat), so I feel like they'd just be wasting a whole lot of money by not sticking to their original plan. I agree with others who've speculated that their flat was once two flats converted into one, and that:
- the top floor contains: the living area with big windows and gaming shelves, the computer/piano nook, and a kitchen
- the floor below that contains: Dan's bedroom, an ensuite, maybe another room, front door and entranceway
- the bottom floor(s) contain: Phil's bedroom, the gaming room (originally a master bedroom with an ensuite), the slounge, Dan's filming nook, the baking kitchen and presumably another bathroom

Given that there are so many rooms in the tiled area of the house, I feel like they must be spread over multiple floors, so it seems likely that their flat has at least four floors (which is supported by Dan exaggerating that they have nine floors).

There are some little things that throw me though:
a) the balcony/ies. They definitely have two - one off the upstairs kitchen, and one somewhere in the tiled area - the slounge or downstairs kitchen I'm guessing. Yet I'm sure Phil did say something like "we have a balcony" in his most recent liveshow, indicating that there's just one (I can't be assed to double-check his wording so this is a disclaimer that I may be completely wrong here).

b) the kitchens. I do admit it seems unlikely that they would have two kitchens in the one flat, and if they did I feel like they would have mentioned it (something like "This flat is super weird, we have two kitchens") rather than only ever referring to it in the singular.

In summary, I am just endlessly confused.

About the bolded part: That's why I mentioned it earlier - because I was pretty sure he had said "we have a balcony" in his ls, too. But I thought about it, and I think the context was him explaining that they feed the pigeons on that one. And if I was in the middle of telling a story and just wanted to give people a little background information, I wouldn't say "we have two balconies, and I was feeding pigeons on one of them", either - I'd just go with "we have a balcony", because it fits better into the story, like, it's less complicated? In this case, it just wouldn't be important to mention the exact amount of balconies.
I don't know if I'm making any sense right now

I like how the phandom was often confused about the previous flat like "how does this work?? they couldn't have picked a flat with a more illogical layout smh" and then D&P went and did exactly that.

Catallena wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 1:53 am I like how the phandom was often confused about the previous flat like "how does this work?? they couldn't have picked a flat with a more illogical layout smh" and then D&P went and did exactly that.

honestly!!!

personal theory: they're just greenscreening in a bunch of screenshots from property websites of different houses to mess with us

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the discussion in here the other day about 'being too old' for Interactive Introverts, and dan and phil specifically addressing that in their liveshow just made me think of it. I wondered if everyone had seen the link, cause things have been moving pretty fast here since the announcement.

It's closing soon so don't delay!

the Sims video - I saw on my twitter timeline someone saying the part where they were thinking of a name for the puppy and Phil brought up Suki and his own hamsters etc was 'intimate', and I was like, yes, that is why I loved that part. i can't quite put my finger on why, it's not like either revealed anything we didn't already know? they were just ignoring the camera and having a conversation between themselves and when they shared eye contact over 'Phuck' and laughed i felt a bit voyeuristic, like a third wheel. it was a cosy episode, I hope we get back into that vibe more. they used to have so much fun with that character universe and redecorating and then at some point along the way I felt like they lost interest in the series.

alch wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 6:24 am personal theory: they're just greenscreening in a bunch of screenshots from property websites of different houses to mess with us

Yes, this, OR they're constantly moving furniture around, replacing doorhandles, putting fake windows and reflections out there, you know, to keep us on our toes. Gotta keep us guessing.

- "Phii-lll, have you put that mirror behind the bookshelf yet? I was going to pan to my bookshelf in my liveshow tonight, remember? Also, I've moved the chair downstairs again, so you could use that in your next video"
- "All right, fine, but I'm using your weird shiny towel in the background in a liveshow next"
- "K"

I can't believe I went out last night and missed some prime 2-flats discussion.

Welcome to anyone who is now converted to the theory.

I think they have a big duplex (possibly penthouse, since Phil has mentioned a skylight) and a smaller apartment which has the gaming room, the snug/lounge and Phil's room. I'm not trying to insinuate that it's one flat for Dan and one flat for Phil, I think it's obvious they live together: all their stuff is combined all over both flats, we've seen that in videos and liveshows.

Maybe it's not as clear cut as one for filming and one for home but they just needed the extra space for all their stuff/to have enough rooms for everything they wanted to seperate (e.g Phil's room, Dan's filming space, Dan's room/master bedroom, gaming room, lounge). I just think there's no other reason for them to have two kitchens, two balconies and two intercoms. I'm not entirely sure anymore if the 2 flats are in different buildings because as someone mentioned, they are pretty lazy (Also I feel like people would have spotted them walking between builldings by now so there'd have at least been a few more 'I met Dan and Phil in the wild' pics than there have been). But I am entirely convinced there are 2 and I will never change my mind.

For those that just think it's a huge 3 or 4 floor flat, I can see where you're coming from but the 2 kitchens really really makes that unlikely to me. And they live in an apartment building (they've mentioned a lift) - in London particularly, space is at a premium and having practically a whole house with a weird confusing layout within an apartment building is just completely unfathomable to me when the developers could just put 2 smaller flats in that space to maximise their profit.

I think the reason I reckon both flats (can't believe I'm now saying this...I was convinced it was just the one flat until yesterday) are both in the same building is because Phil filmed from both when he did his latest sleepless night video. While I know it's unlikely that the video was a real sleepless night and was probably filmed earlier in the evening, I'd be surprised if he was travelling between buildings in his pyjamas!

I want to bring up a two-flat-argument that I have mentioned before.

Remember when the gaming livestreams started and they needed to get their internet upgraded? What if they just never had an internet line in the slounge-gamingroom-Phil'sroom apartment because they would upload from their other flat anyways? They don't really play games that require a low ping, so tethering their phone for the flash games should be fine. At least I still have a hard time imagining that they moved (partially) because of their shit internet and then move into a place that has shit internet.

I did some math last time and I can't be bothered to dig out the post, so here we go again - an average 1080p 10 minute YT video is at least 800 MB. Dan said they had a connection 0.5 Mbps/s - that would mean that video would upload for 4 hours. Phil often likes to tweet that "a video is coming soon", which IMO means that he's waiting for it to upload. Generally, it's about 1-1.5h at max between the "video is coming" and "video is here" tweet, not four hours.

Just seems really, really unlikely that they'd be happy to live with that shitty internet. I know people said that the internet situation in London is terrible, but if they specifically moved to get better internet, would they settle for a 0.5 Mbps situation?

TL;DR: I still think the internet situation from a few months ago had to do with the fact that the gaming room is in a flat that was not intended to have good internet connection, and that their flat has better internet.

LtrllySusan wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 12:11 pm I want to bring up a two-flat-argument that I have mentioned before.

Remember when the gaming livestreams started and they needed to get their internet upgraded? What if they just never had an internet line in the slounge-gamingroom-Phil'sroom apartment because they would upload from their other flat anyways? They don't really play games that require a low ping, so tethering their phone for the flash games should be fine. At least I still have a hard time imagining that they moved (partially) because of their shit internet and then move into a place that has shit internet.

I did some math last time and I can't be bothered to dig out the post, so here we go again - an average 1080p 10 minute YT video is at least 800 MB. Dan said they had a connection 0.5 Mbps/s - that would mean that video would upload for 4 hours. Phil often likes to tweet that "a video is coming soon", which IMO means that he's waiting for it to upload. Generally, it's about 1-1.5h at max between the "video is coming" and "video is here" tweet, not four hours.

Just seems really, really unlikely that they'd be happy to live with that shitty internet. I know people said that the internet situation in London is terrible, but if they specifically moved to get better internet, would they settle for a 0.5 Mbps situation?

TL;DR: I still think the internet situation from a few months ago had to do with the fact that the gaming room is in a flat that was not intended to have good internet connection, and that their flat has better internet.

The thing is, would it really make sense to have the gaming room in the flat with really bad internet? They still have to download the games they're playing to the gaming computers, and downloading a moderately "huge" game could easily take 10+ hours with that internet connection, so why should they get two flats, and then place the gaming room in the flat where the connection is slower?

I have no input in the way their flat is layed out. I think 2 flats just seem so much of a hassle to maintain and try to keep secret if they show both. Why couldn’t someone just ask when dan does a live show. Just ask why do you have two kitchens? It’s not a personal question, yeah it’s a bit nosey but it’s nothing to do with their relationship. We have seen there is more than one kitchen because of the videos they have filmed so they must know we know. I would ask dan but the times he does his live streams I’m always working and can’t watch live.

Does anyone think asking “dan why do you have two kitchens?” Too personal I mean he could always decline the message if he doesn’t want to answer and it’s not like we’re asking for a apartment tour.

i’ve been sending “do u have 2 kitchens?” premiums for like 3 weeks now and they don’t open them but i super hope they will one day and we get some more insight about the layout “><

I know this is a recurring conversation here, but out of procrastination curiosity I went and checked their gaming channel. Their last video to just barely break 1 mil was exactly a month ago - Truth Bombs with 1,1 mil, and before that Fireboy and Watergirl with 1,2 mil. Other than that, everything is under 1 mil, with the lowest being The Evil Within at 650k. They still have vids with 600k views from 2 months ago (Sonic Mania, Phan Prix).

Should we be worried? What do you all think about the future of their gaming channel?

Ablissa wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:55 pm I know this is a recurring conversation here, but out of procrastination curiosity I went and checked their gaming channel. Their last video to just barely break 1 mil was exactly a month ago - Truth Bombs with 1,1 mil, and before that Fireboy and Watergirl with 1,2 mil. Other than that, everything is under 1 mil, with the lowest being The Evil Within at 650k. They still have vids with 600k views from 2 months ago (Sonic Mania, Phan Prix).

Should we be worried? What do you all think about the future of their gaming channel?

I noticed the same thing with phils mainchannel and side channel as well... idk why but i feel really sad when i look at how few people are watching his liveshows recently

Ablissa wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 4:55 pm I know this is a recurring conversation here, but out of procrastination curiosity I went and checked their gaming channel. Their last video to just barely break 1 mil was exactly a month ago - Truth Bombs with 1,1 mil, and before that Fireboy and Watergirl with 1,2 mil. Other than that, everything is under 1 mil, with the lowest being The Evil Within at 650k. They still have vids with 600k views from 2 months ago (Sonic Mania, Phan Prix).

Should we be worried? What do you all think about the future of their gaming channel?

This is definitely a youtube thing and not a Dan-and-Phil thing - I don't follow a single youtuber who is getting the views right now that they did even six months to a year ago. The more youtube tries to change and fix their algorithms the more views are throttled. Smaller channels tend to be much more open about the process; what's happening is that videos are getting automatically demonetized, and it's up to the youtuber to appeal the demonetization. In most cases if it was wrongly demonetized, then youtube fixes the issue - after a day or two. But while demonetized, views are throttled on a video - all demonetized videos get markedly less views because it's in youtube's best interest to promote videos they make money on, and that includes prioritizing them in searches and with notifications.

Since youtube videos usually get the most views within the first day or two of going up, they're being kneecapped at what should be their peak. I feel positive that this happens with some DAPG videos - Dan and Phil just aren't going to volunteer that information because they've probably got enough influence that they can get youtube to fix it more promptly than smaller channels.

But in terms of the future of the gaming channel/them in general? I definitely see them continuing to expand revenue streams outside of youtube, since this is proving that even at the height of popularity doing everything right income on youtube is outside of their control. The tour, the board game, the expanding merch shop... I see all of this as them supplementing it so youtube views/revenue (or lack thereof) doesn't cripple them.

emmaP wrote: Sun Nov 19, 2017 5:08 pmI noticed the same thing with phils mainchannel and side channel as well... idk why but i feel really sad when i look at how few people are watching his liveshows recently

Liveshow views are actually way up! Earlier this year when they'd go live Dan would get between 15-20k viewers live and then phanshows uploads would get about 50-100k views after the fact from people who didn't watch live. Now Dan might get less live viewers has between 200-400k views later on. Phil would get between 10-15k viewers live, and phanshows views ranged pretty drastically for him but 20-50k seems about average and now he gets between 100-200k on the side channel. All that happened is less people watch live, but way way more people watch later on now.

i think the video game videos getting less views is probably because "lets plays" (if you consider these videos lets plays, which i sort of do), are dying on youtube. jacksepticeye said himself that gaming isn't as popular on youtube as it was back in 2012 or other years where it was extremely popular (not his exact words, but it gets the point across). it's unfortunate. this is just my input on it though, i could be wrong.

I honestly think they need to release more first episodes of popular games within fandoms. Usually their first videos in a series do incredibly well and then steadily drop as the series continues, which is why dnp rarely ever complete a series (Undertale and My Horse Prince being the only exceptions - despite Undertale taking literally a year).

KTaNE was posted past it’s prime, it was truly thriving around a year ago or so when all the youtubers began playing it, so I think dnp got in too late with it. Dream Daddy had good timing though, at least for the first episode.

If they want their videos in series’s to do well they need to upload them quickly. A lot of people will only begin watching for the game, and if there’s no more content about the game they’ll find a series that’s complete.

Posting 3 episodes of DD within the space of a month is good for Dan and Phil, but not good enough in comparison to the endless gaming youtubers.

Comparing the views of KTaNE with DD:

KTaNE #1 - 1.6M
KTaNE #2 - 1.2M
KTaNE #3 - 1.1M (Published: 19th June)

DD #1 - 2.1M (Published: 3rd August)
DD #2 - 1.3M
DD #3 - 951K (Published: 12th September)

Also! You should note that a lot of dnp’s horror videos tend to not get as many views initally unless they’re trending games like fnaf/outlast or an old fave like slender.

I’m quite glad they’re continuing with their sims series (despite the people i know on here that’ll disagree with me lmao) - I know friends irl who’s younger siblings watch it and it’s the only dnp content they watch but they adore it. I think it appeals to a younger, and subsequently larger audience.

*****

On another note, I was rewatching old brits vids and I remembered dnp decided not to do the 2017 brits - did we ever figure out why or does anyone have any theories? Because I think it’s interesting how they were closing themselves off from traditional media outlets (Radio 1 too) whilst most YT’ers would be going in the opposite direction and branching out more.

Mildly concerning that they’re not keeping those options open. I think sticking to a YT audience is vv good for now but eventually it’s likely they’ll have to go onto presenting and hosting and I’m just surprised they’re breaking those contacts.

I also think less views could be slightly due to them doing more videos on the gaming channel? When they were uploading fairly sporadically, every video was an “event”. People would be a lot more hyped, rewatch in the downtime between videos, etc. Now, if a video doesn’t look like something you’ll enjoy you can skip it cos there’ll be another one in a week max. And there’s less need to rewatch to fill the “gap” too because their content is a lot more regular? I dunno if this makes any sense haha.