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papierklemmen wrote: i mean, i think that's exactly why they want to take down those timelines & get rid of voldy... because people who find it might change their opinion on their relationship. basically what happens to a lot of fans lol.

yeah. I remember someone saying before (in gg or in tumblr) that with newer fans coming in and older fans leaving, it'll be easier for deppy to bury their past, especially if they manage to actually take down all the copies of the timelines and the video out there, even though I think that's impossible.
There will always be those who remember
When was the last time that phil they claimed copyright? The last I remember of was the timelines.

For me though, it wasn't the timelines or voldy that got me wondering if there was something else between them other than friendship but the little things and the way they interacted with each other. Stumbling upon the timelines and the video just super glued my phan goggles to my face.

edit: god why am i on top of the page

cold-tea wrote:For me though, it wasn't the timelines or voldy that got me wondering if there was something else between them other than friendship but the little things and the way they interacted with each other. Stumbling upon the timelines and the video just super glued my phan goggles to my face.

I don't actually know that many people who believe they are together that found the timeline/video before suspecting something was between Dan and Phil. It seems from my experience like a large part of the people who accept them as in a closeted relationship are fans who saw chemistry between them that resonated on a more than just friendship level and then went looking for further confirmation, or become more convinced the more they watched - not people who saw absolutely nothing between them and then were convinced by fandom that it was real.

jesuisunèléve wrote:

karma_yeah wrote:I know we aren't voting for the next thread name yet, but I'll be voting for "Horton hears two bitch ass liars".

Horton Hears Two Bitch Ass Liars should be the new name. It sums up Deppy perfectly.

RE: Bitch Ass Liars: We know they are in a relationship. They know we know. And so on. Whether you believe Dan bottoms and Phil is dom!top or Dan is a furry in diapers doesn't matter, that's like putting extra icing on the proverbial cake. They don't have to tell us, I don't expect them to, because they have been showing us (yeah imma ) all this time and if we haven't figured it out by now Dan probably thinks we don't deserve to know. It sounds like something he would do, as a way of mocking us all with our intensity of needing to know.

I'm so pleased you guys liked my Horton joke I literally say that all the time (every time they tweet im like )

As a side note, I think the vid being posted wasn't necessarily a troll- I'm assuming YTR made them do it because Dan and Phil aren't stupid, they've seen the discourse about #busgate, so they wouldn't add insult and piss us off if it was their choice (granted I'm pretty sure if they felt that strongly about it, they could've gotten out of it but w/e)

Anywho! I agree with literally all this, I actually think I made a post a few weeks ago saying 'we know, they know we know, ect'. Also Dan is a furry #confirmed.

I think the thing is, Dan and Phil have very different personalities, and I think a lot of it comes back to their lives growing up/family? Like, I get the feeling Phil doesn't feel the need to explain his sexuality/relationship with Dan to us because his sexuality has always been validated in his personal life. But Dan? Dan has had his sexuality invalidated by fans, other YouTubers, the media in general, and I have a suspicion his family as well. I think he's gone back and forth on sharing and not sharing throughout the years because he clearly agrees with Phil that they want privacy, but he also wants to feel validated. That lends itself, I think, to him thinking that if you're so heteronormative you don't get it by now then you don't deserve for him to tell you, but it also explains why he has moments where he shares things and we are like ?!?!?!?!?

*slinks back into the shaddows*

SquishPhan wrote:

i can't wait for this! wouldn't it be great if they tied it into spooky week? (i feel like in his recent liveshow he said they already filmed everything, but i "do homework"/scroll through tumblr/eat dinner while i'm watching their liveshows so it's basically just background noise. and then when everyone's talking about some exciting thing that happened i'm just like "whAt? what??")

papierklemmen wrote: don't forget that chick in sweden who straight up ASKED dan if he was dating phil and then happily shared it on her twitter "he said no, but HIS EYES SAID YES!"

wow, i think i just got second-hand embarrassment while reading that (for both deppy and that "fan") how could anyone say that to their face? does she think that they'd really say "well yeah lol"? dan and phil are saints for putting up with some of the things that people say to them

What's interesting to me (and what I've been thinking about when talking about being casual vs. invested in the last post) is how being surrounded by other fans in a community like this (or tumblr for that matter) changes your level of "obsession". I always liked the idea of them together and their chemistry, but when it came to whether they are actually dating it was always "well, maybe, maybe not, who knows. whatever lets move on".

There is so much going on behind the scenes that you never catch if you only watch their videos. And learning all that and reading everybody's opinions is what really got me into it. (with the timeline being the cherry on top, no pun intended) I really enjoy going back to older threads here to see how the reaction was to certain videos or events.
Example: Dan's anime video seems to have caused a minor meltdown in the phandom??
When I watched it I was 1. pleased because he talked about a topic I am interested in, 2. mildly amused but not too surprised about the homoerotic comments 3. hoping for more people to watch chihayafuru now that it got a mention

SquishPhan wrote:

OOOOh, solo vid one day when phil isnt home pls!!

Sadly, the there is a difference between the headsets, and from what I have heard only the HTC Vive can be used by people who get bad motion sickness. For some reason its more stable. Poor Phil. The PS one will have more games available for it in the long run though.


My mind was running all night with the question I want to have ready at the Dapgo thing. I guess that's the hell I live in for the next month. If anyone has a good question PM me!

alittledizzy wrote:

cold-tea wrote:For me though, it wasn't the timelines or voldy that got me wondering if there was something else between them other than friendship but the little things and the way they interacted with each other. Stumbling upon the timelines and the video just super glued my phan goggles to my face.

I don't actually know that many people who believe they are together that found the timeline/video before suspecting something was between Dan and Phil. It seems from my experience like a large part of the people who accept them as in a closeted relationship are fans who saw chemistry between them that resonated on a more than just friendship level and then went looking for further confirmation, or become more convinced the more they watched - not people who saw absolutely nothing between them and then were convinced by fandom that it was real.

I think I am one of the people, but maybe I am an anomaly, who knows. I never thought they are together at first, just thought they have good chemistry. Then I google 'Is danisnotonfire gay?' or something like that and found screenshots of customer service blog. I also found directory around the same time but I am too stupid to guess the password.

I actually found voldy in youtube comment which link to a Russian(?) website which are full of comments asking the poster to delete it and I become
After watching it and reading timelines, then I start believing. Mostly. Sometimes I don't. Haha.

mio wrote:What's interesting to me (and what I've been thinking about when talking about being casual vs. invested in the last post) is how being surrounded by other fans in a community like this (or tumblr for that matter) changes your level of "obsession". I always liked the idea of them together and their chemistry, but when it came to whether they are actually dating it was always "well, maybe, maybe not, who knows. whatever lets move on".

There is so much going on behind the scenes that you never catch if you only watch their videos. And learning all that and reading everybody's opinions is what really got me into it. (with the timeline being the cherry on top, no pun intended) I really enjoy going back to older threads here to see how the reaction was to certain videos or events.
Example: Dan's anime video seems to have caused a minor meltdown in the phandom??
When I watched it I was 1. pleased because he talked about a topic I am interested in, 2. mildly amused but not too surprised about the homoerotic comments 3. hoping for more people to watch chihayafuru now that it got a mention

Agree.
Most of their videos pleases /entertained me but when I go to old threads, I was shocked that some people don't like it. Whatever being criticised usually was never on my mind the first time I watch it, and I only 'see' it after I read the discussion and have a rewatch. Case in point, #busgate on the doc, lol.

Artdefines06 wrote:If anyone has a good question PM me!

Ask them where's the goose.

alittledizzy wrote:I don't actually know that many people who believe they are together that found the timeline/video before suspecting something was between Dan and Phil. It seems from my experience like a large part of the people who accept them as in a closeted relationship are fans who saw chemistry between them that resonated on a more than just friendship level and then went looking for further confirmation, or become more convinced the more they watched - not people who saw absolutely nothing between them and then were convinced by fandom that it was real.

Yeah, honestly when I started watching them I was like "it'd be so cute if they were together, they seem to have great chemistry" and then I was like "maybe they are together?" and i googled it and i remember i stayed up for like 2 nights in a row reading everything and i was just so overjoyed, I was like wow, it's real, and this story is beautiful. I was really happy that my inkling had been right, haha!

But are there casual fans who don't google dan and phil? Like, just watch them for the content, and aren't into the relationship? who knows......

I was only introduced to Dan and Phil this past summer, and just assumed based on the first couple of videos I saw that they were a couple. It's just the way they interact with each other. Sometimes it reminds me of the way my straight friends act with each other, other times they remind me more of me and my s/o.

I was kind of surprised to find out that they aren't together (officially, or at all, whichever), and I wouldn't say I firmly believe one way or the other, but I do enjoy the theorizing and the mystery. I found my way here, after all.
I also think I might feel differently if I'd been exposed to their older content first, or had been a fan from early on. Everything I see now is through a sort of 2015/2016 filter, I can't help it.

Wait is he talking about a game or his actual house?? The "my" portion is making me anxious. If he is talking about his future house then . I remember in TABINOF Phil also made a mention of eventually getting a house for himself but I thought that answer changed

I love the tweet, "my house" just makes me imagine that they're sitting in front of their laptops looking at property and making ridiculous plans just because they're giddily imagining the future.

eevee wrote:But are there casual fans who don't google dan and phil? Like, just watch them for the content, and aren't into the relationship? who knows......

Yeah, I think there are probably a lot of fans who just watch casually and don't google. The world is full of people who just live steeped in the mindset that two guys with chemistry are friends, that there's nothing more to look for between two guys than friendship unless explicitly told otherwise. (Which is not a slight toward the fans themselves, just pointing out that it can be a totally cultural/societal issue of heteronormativity.)

kuensukki wrote:

Wait is he talking about a game or his actual house?? The "my" portion is making me anxious. If he is talking about his future house then . I remember in TABINOF Phil also made a mention of eventually getting a house for himself but I thought that answer changed

It's okay to say "my house," even when you share said house (with the love of your life). I certainly do.

alittledizzy wrote:Yeah, I think there are probably a lot of fans who just watch casually and don't google. The world is full of people who just live steeped in the mindset that two guys with chemistry are friends, that there's nothing more to look for between two guys than friendship unless explicitly told otherwise. (Which is not a slight toward the fans themselves, just pointing out that it can be a totally cultural/societal issue of heteronormativity.)

Actually, it might not be heteronormativity for everyone (although certainly for some) this is actually reminding me of when I was a Zoella fan. I was a fan around the time where it was rumored she was dating Alfie and eventually Zalfie got outed by a picture on a computer screen in a vlog. Of course, I was oblivious to all of this, as all I cared about were Zoella's videos and not her personal life. I found out about the drama because it happened to reach my tumblr dash. I didn't go looking. So perhaps there are casual fans like that, who just like their videos and don't really care about who they are, like I felt about Zoella. The Zalfie stans were probably wondering how fans like me could exist, lol!!

Philena wrote:

kuensukki wrote:

Wait is he talking about a game or his actual house?? The "my" portion is making me anxious. If he is talking about his future house then . I remember in TABINOF Phil also made a mention of eventually getting a house for himself but I thought that answer changed

It's okay to say "my house," even when you share said house (with the love of your life). I certainly do.

i wonder why he didn't say apartment, though?

eevee wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:Yeah, I think there are probably a lot of fans who just watch casually and don't google. The world is full of people who just live steeped in the mindset that two guys with chemistry are friends, that there's nothing more to look for between two guys than friendship unless explicitly told otherwise. (Which is not a slight toward the fans themselves, just pointing out that it can be a totally cultural/societal issue of heteronormativity.)

Actually, it might not be heteronormativity for everyone (although certainly for some) this is actually reminding me of when I was a Zoella fan. I was a fan around the time where it was rumored she was dating Alfie and eventually Zalfie got outed by a picture on a computer screen in a vlog. Of course, I was oblivious to all of this, as all I cared about were Zoella's videos and not her personal life. I found out about the drama because it happened to reach my tumblr dash. I didn't go looking. So perhaps there are casual fans like that, who just like their videos and don't really care about who they are, like I felt about Zoella. The Zalfie stans were probably wondering how fans like me could exist, lol!!

No, I'm sure it's not the reason for everyone. It would be impossible for anyone to pinpoint one blanket reason for every single fan's behavior. But that kind of learned obliviousness toward anything that isn't what someone has been raised to think is the default is something that happens, and it's very common.

swofro wrote:

Artdefines06 wrote:If anyone has a good question PM me!

Ask them where's the goose.

please, please ask them where's the goose. Demand it.

iggy wrote:

Philena wrote:

kuensukki wrote:

Wait is he talking about a game or his actual house?? The "my" portion is making me anxious. If he is talking about his future house then . I remember in TABINOF Phil also made a mention of eventually getting a house for himself but I thought that answer changed

It's okay to say "my house," even when you share said house (with the love of your life). I certainly do.

i wonder why he didn't say apartment, though?

He literally has a YouTube video titled "I DESTROYED MY HOUSE," referring to their shared apartment.

pilotlight wrote:I was only introduced to Dan and Phil this past summer, and just assumed based on the first couple of videos I saw that they were a couple. It's just the way they interact with each other. Sometimes it reminds me of the way my straight friends act with each other, other times they remind me more of me and my s/o.

I was kind of surprised to find out that they aren't together (officially, or at all, whichever), and I wouldn't say I firmly believe one way or the other, but I do enjoy the theorizing and the mystery. I found my way here, after all.
I also think I might feel differently if I'd been exposed to their older content first, or had been a fan from early on. Everything I see now is through a sort of 2015/2016 filter, I can't help it.

#phandivorced confirmed

btw has anyone compiled their moving/house mentions?
i don't remember all of them but judging by the latest ones it seems phil is the one constantly talking about a house and actually saying the word "move" while dan is doing the #danneedsstorage and #danneedsspace campaign.

maybe phil is the one moving and dan can't wait to use his room as storage?

prove me wrong, guys

alittledizzy wrote:

eevee wrote:

alittledizzy wrote:Yeah, I think there are probably a lot of fans who just watch casually and don't google. The world is full of people who just live steeped in the mindset that two guys with chemistry are friends, that there's nothing more to look for between two guys than friendship unless explicitly told otherwise. (Which is not a slight toward the fans themselves, just pointing out that it can be a totally cultural/societal issue of heteronormativity.)

Actually, it might not be heteronormativity for everyone (although certainly for some) this is actually reminding me of when I was a Zoella fan. I was a fan around the time where it was rumored she was dating Alfie and eventually Zalfie got outed by a picture on a computer screen in a vlog. Of course, I was oblivious to all of this, as all I cared about were Zoella's videos and not her personal life. I found out about the drama because it happened to reach my tumblr dash. I didn't go looking. So perhaps there are casual fans like that, who just like their videos and don't really care about who they are, like I felt about Zoella. The Zalfie stans were probably wondering how fans like me could exist, lol!!

No, I'm sure it's not the reason for everyone. It would be impossible for anyone to pinpoint one blanket reason for every single fan's behavior. But that kind of learned obliviousness toward anything that isn't what someone has been raised to think is the default is something that happens, and it's very common.

Ya but it doesn't mean that someone is heteronormative if they just don't care whether D+P are in a relationship. I think eevee's point is important. I also don't think its necessarily homophobic to want to stay away from shipping.

papierklemmen wrote:btw has anyone compiled their moving/house mentions?
i don't remember all of them but judging by the latest ones it seems phil is the one constantly talking about a house and actually saying the word "move" while dan is doing the #danneedsstorage and #danneedsspace campaign.

maybe phil is the one moving and dan can't wait to use his room as storage?

prove me wrong, guys

Yeaaah I feel like you're reaching pretty hard when you're trying to categorize the context in which they talk about moving to prove they aren't moving together, lmao. Ftr Phil's last mention of moving out was because he was talking about needing more shelf space (aka, storage) and not being able to put a shelf on the wall (aka, to add more space for holding their dvds and knickknacks) because he couldn't drill into something he doesn't own.

spaceguitar wrote:Ya but it doesn't mean that someone is heteronormative if they just don't care whether D+P are in a relationship. I think eevee's point is important. I also don't think its necessarily homophobic to want to stay away from shipping.

Definitely never said the word homophobic, don't know where you're getting that from? Also never said eevee's point wasn't important, I said that there's no one blanket reason for fan behavior. Which is me saying eevee's point is true, and that I think my point is also true.

not to be ~that guy~ but I see the convo about people wondering if there are casual fans and when/why/how people started shipping them i.e. the directory, and I'm old af so I thought i'd give my insight?

I started watching phil in early 2008 waaaaay before dan (my favorite vid is and will always be The Basket and I am STILL upset most people havent watched it because it is 10/10). Anyways, when Dan came on the scene things were really not a big deal? like, phil had been hinting a while that he was lonely and wanted a relationship, and then dan shows up and everyone was just like 'oh, that's phil's new boyfriend, cool'. and it wasn't really a shipping thing, it was just kind of assumed and no one made a thing out of it? deppy didn't correct it and everyone went about their business trying to get to know this new guy phil was so infatuated with (i mean, obvioulsy dan was also hilarious af)

I eventually (2011) left the internet for personal reasons (lol school), and i didnt come back till mid 2013 when shit was hitting the fan. I literally came back and i was like WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO THE INTERNET'S CHILL?!

But yeah, the whole 'shipping' thing wasnt really picking up steam and going crazy back when they first met, so now im like ??? obviously they're together? they always have been? why do we even need to question this? and then things like the timeline were nice because i could point to it and be like 'im not crazy, i lived through that, it was obvious and we thought it was cute but no one cared or made a huge fuss over it'. so now when people argue over if they're together im just like ??? when will this end? i miss 2009??

[offtopic][/offtopic] but I had a dream that dan was eating phils trash (like leftovers n stuff) and idk what to feel about it.

hahaha I actually had a deppy moving dream last night and was going to put it in the dream thread but since it is kind of on topic thought I would put it here. haha
Oh to add to the what kind of fan discussion:
I have never been one to look into famous people. ever. even in my teens. I have no idea who is in my favorite band, no idea where my favorite actress or actor are from... I only know where my favorite author is from but that's it. So when I happened across deppy one day i was so intregued by their chemistry I wanted to know if they were together. So I googled them and thus my fall into the trash can... I loved Dan (because...well he's hot, and funny...) then found phil's stuff and thought his stuff was cute. But them together....well that was a whole other thing. PINOF was like watching foreplay. So yeah I was deep in the they totally are a couple area of the phandom from the start, but have since wavered occasionally to nah they just good pals. 90% of the time my goggles are tightly secured, just every once and a while they slip.

Philena wrote:

iggy wrote:

Philena wrote:

kuensukki wrote:

Wait is he talking about a game or his actual house?? The "my" portion is making me anxious. If he is talking about his future house then . I remember in TABINOF Phil also made a mention of eventually getting a house for himself but I thought that answer changed

It's okay to say "my house," even when you share said house (with the love of your life). I certainly do.

i wonder why he didn't say apartment, though?

He literally has a YouTube video titled "I DESTROYED MY HOUSE," referring to their shared apartment.

Yup. Also Phil is the one who talks more in the term of 'I', while Dan uses 'we' more. To be fair though Phil has been using 'we' more often, but his default is still 'I/me'.

alittledizzy wrote:

papierklemmen wrote:btw has anyone compiled their moving/house mentions?
i don't remember all of them but judging by the latest ones it seems phil is the one constantly talking about a house and actually saying the word "move" while dan is doing the #danneedsstorage and #danneedsspace campaign.

maybe phil is the one moving and dan can't wait to use his room as storage?

prove me wrong, guys

Yeaaah I feel like you're reaching pretty hard when you're trying to categorize the context in which they talk about moving to prove they aren't moving together, lmao. Ftr Phil's last mention of moving out was because he was talking about needing more shelf space (aka, storage) and not being able to put a shelf on the wall (aka, to add more space for holding their dvds and knickknacks) because he couldn't drill into something he doesn't own.

lmao i'm not trying to prove anything, i'd be happy if they moved together. can't a girl reach a little.


btw re: hetenormativity - i would say assuming that two guys are in a relationship just because they do certain things associated with romance (e.g. being touchy-feely, or from their twitter interactions: saying "i love (name)", calling someone "bby/baby", sending each other "hearts", longing after each other) when the same doesn't usually apply to two girls, could fall under being heteronormative because that means we have certain "standarts" on how male friends should behave around each other.


so it's not that easy!