nihilist-toothpaste wrote:LeftHandedism wrote:
but what I saw was really comfortable interactions between them and not any weird or uncomfortable moments (not any moment that was weird or uncomfortable to them).
ya i agree! nothing rly came across as uncomfortable
to them, i think the discussion has mostly been about moments that were uncomfortable
to us, but they're still interesting moments to think about imo. as much as the domestic/affectionate bits, these moments of somewhat off-putting bickering and mockery also serve to demonstrate dnp's comfort with each other (it runs so deep that as a third party observer it can almost be a bit discomforting to watch). and the perhaps playful digs about AP content and whatnot reiterates some stuff about dan, to me at least, regarding his ever-present quality threshold for dinof, some of his internalized superiority complex or subtle arrogance in valuing certain types of content over others, and
viewers of certain kinds of content over other viewers, perhaps the innate insecurity that leads to that sort of internal hierarchy, etc. also i don't know how formatting works sorry this quote looks ugly hahah
yes to both you and
dizzys post!!
I overall enjoyed the liveshow. The first mess of 10 minutes was glorious, Phil fondly grabbing back Dan to bring him to frame and Dan immediately whining that he got scratched and Phil giving him a "stop being a baby you dork" yup.. good content.
Off the start you can tell there was a bit of a contrasting mood between the two where Phil was all smiley and upbeat wheras Dan was all shifty eyes and snide remarks. But we also got some sarcastic Phil with him saying " our hair looks
sooo different rn, like boy, you've had the same haircut for ages, dont tease me like that. Them talking about Fabrice was the most domestic thing in the world. Phil complaining about Dan telling all HIS stories was so funny. Im glad Dan acts like the overdoting husband off screen as well as on.
im totally not looking forward to a fabrice threesome fic *clears throat*
Dan was self-deprecative today but I could tell that every time he made a negative comment about his appearance Phil would just giggle and move on. He didn't even bother with a "no you're not Dan" which again spoke to the comfortable "long term relationship" vibes I got from the two. If youre with someone for so long and they act a certain way, you stop reacting at a point and just let them say what they want.
Phil cheekily getting dan to "clean us" he tells Dan off for saying "bukake" then does this, smh. He knew the implications but he still found it so hilarious and entertaining to make Dan do it. And Dan acted like he always does, whining and pouting but still listened to Phil. I sometimes think its funny how much influence Phil has on Dan, with one nudge, he's able to convince him to do things he'd actually not do on his own accord (pastel video being another glaring example)
Phil's relationship with his mom is honestly the sweetest thing in the world. I know we've become accostomed to it, but I found it so so sweet that they have cute traditions like sending flowers and that he tried to facetime her just so he doesn't break it
Phil has serious "hair envy" especially to Dans curls. This is like the millionth time he's brought up Dan voluminous locks and he even wants to curl his hair to achieve it.
"quality content":
nihilist I agree with what you say, but I also have began to associate his behavior as a "dan" thing. Both have certain qualities I find annoying and for Dan its this "quality talk". One thing I found interesting is that he was self-aware that his
product/end result was usually shit (because lets be honest, none of his videos have the deep philosophical meanings he talked about). It just seemed more harsh now because he was dragging Phils content in the process and that irked me. Youre
allowed to set expectations and standards for
yourself, but they're not
universal, and you shouldn't attempt to compare and put down those around you even if they're good natured like Phil and wouldn't take it seriously. Phil throughout the whole "quality content" rant was just smiling and nodding along that he doesn't have that sort of attitude and he's fine with it. The thing is, is that its off putting to us, who haven't seen the other times they've discussed this. Seeing someone who usually talks so highly of Phil to be putting him down in this way was a but uncomfortable. I think it is deserves since it was a bad video imo, and I want to scream to Phil that it was, but I thought the execution made Dan look self-important and more Jack Howard-esque than usual.
I noticed throughout the ls they made a point to show that they did everything and anything together. The lyaway comments like "we're going to go get food" and "when we were at the movies" or even "we're going to attract bees when we're sitting on the couch later", like I GET THAT Y'ALL ARE MARRIED BUT THIS IS TOO MUCH. They even both cover their ears in the theaters and watch airplane movies together. I don't think you can get closer than that tbh.
The comment about Phil dying: Im with Dan on this one and I can understand the frustration that comes with a question like that. When people ask these things it seems like they have an expected response and just want to capture Dan saying it and it makes everything so superficial. When Dan speaks highly of Phil, he usually does it on his own terms when he's feeling overly affectionate and genuinely wants to express his amazement/ love for his companion, asking him to do it just for the sake of getting a response to take his genuine gestures and make it a circus show. At the end of the day, their personal feelings are their business so they'll share what they want to and not be forced to so otherwise. And if anyone's curious of how Dan would react if something happened to Phil, ahem HE PUBLISHED IT IN A BOOK:
Moving on, the part when they're talking about the Blue Exorcist and Phil repeats himself 4 times to a point where Dan has to look back questioningly was so interesting to me. Usually Phil doesn't care when he's talked over, but at this point and time he seemed to be very firm and stubborn in making sure he got his word in. It's the kind of Phil I wish to see more onscreen. I dont think he's ingenuine in ls and collabs when people talk over him and he struggles to get a word in, he actually seems to have an anxiety over speaking and being heard. This being very evident in the most recent vidcon panel where he would put the microphone to his mouth but never have the confidence to make a comment. But I'm glad that at least with Dan, he has this degree of comfort and a firm nature that allows him to signal when Dan's being obnoxious or loud to a point where he's not being heaqrd and can easily reel it back a bit.
They were alluding to so much mystery in this ls, but I left with more questions than I went in. Why are they so busy and why are they telling us that they're busy? Should I be hyped or lower my expectations? With them its honestly so hard to know. What I do know was that this was a pretty chill ls and we got to see more of their relationship shine through. It seems more genuine in a sense, people who have lived together for so long don't have this perfect relationship with no flaws, there can still be deep love and annoyance for certain habits and quirks. With them, it seems to be the case and it gives me a realistic version of them which is more preferred than the idealistic "storybook" version.
The "clean me" bit had me almost in tears, Dan's reaction to the whole thing was just so done. I usually like their individual shows and videos, but they bounce off each other so well that I think their joint shows are my favourite.
). I'm not saying you all are seeing things that aren't there--I could easily just be missing them--but what I saw was really comfortable interactions between them and not any weird or uncomfortable moments (not any moment that was weird or uncomfortable to them).
