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trashqueen wrote:i'm not linking it bc phone and laziness but in her new video about 'youtube regrets' she talks about dan and phil AGAIN and even acknowledges that people are gonna give her shit for bringing it up lol

if i wasn't so lazy i would make a compilation of all the times she has talked about it and the way she has changed how she presents what happened bc i feel like every single time she downplays more and more how her actions were offensive and hurtful and not just ignorant

It wasn't a big part of the video and it is definitely the most known mistake she's made. Besides, there's really no point in going into detail about it.

Did anyone watch the latest video on vloggery with Carrie? The cringe is real.

morbit wrote:Did anyone watch the latest video on vloggery with Carrie? The cringe is real.

How?

I couldn't finish the video with Carrie all their interactions (especially Emma's) felt so played up for the camera and not natural at all. Not saying their friendship isn't real, but it was hard to watch.

I didn't mind the Deppy mention in the Regrets video so much, though I did roll my eyes at the video title, as I knew what was coming.

Hi Emma, by the way lurker #1

I did like her once. I didn't even know about her Twitter rampages or the Deppy drama back then, all I had to go off were her YouTube uploads, and I still ended up disliking her. I feel bad about it, but every time I start to warm to her again she goes and does something else to piss me off, and then I lose my sympathy.

thephandommenace wrote:I couldn't finish the video with Carrie all their interactions (especially Emma's) felt so played up for the camera and not natural at all. Not saying their friendship isn't real, but it was hard to watch.

I didn't mind the Deppy mention in the Regrets video so much, though I did roll my eyes at the video title, as I knew what was coming.

Hi Emma, by the way lurker #1

I did like her once. I didn't even know about her Twitter rampages or the Deppy drama back then, all I had to go off were her YouTube uploads, and I still ended up disliking her. I feel bad about it, but every time I start to warm to her again she goes and does something else to piss me off, and then I lose my sympathy.

its ok, i liked emma at some point too but.. then i heard about all the stuff she did and it just made me immediately dislike her. sometimes she'll do nice stuff but..i dont think any amount of good things she does will make up for the stuff shes said and done

Skylar wrote:

thephandommenace wrote:I couldn't finish the video with Carrie all their interactions (especially Emma's) felt so played up for the camera and not natural at all. Not saying their friendship isn't real, but it was hard to watch.

I didn't mind the Deppy mention in the Regrets video so much, though I did roll my eyes at the video title, as I knew what was coming.

Hi Emma, by the way lurker #1

I did like her once. I didn't even know about her Twitter rampages or the Deppy drama back then, all I had to go off were her YouTube uploads, and I still ended up disliking her. I feel bad about it, but every time I start to warm to her again she goes and does something else to piss me off, and then I lose my sympathy.

its ok, i liked emma at some point too but.. then i heard about all the stuff she did and it just made me immediately dislike her. sometimes she'll do nice stuff but..i dont think any amount of good things she does will make up for the stuff shes said and done

No amount of good things? She didn't murder someone lol

Meh. The Carrie video got a bit boring at parts, but I'm quite impressed by how many videos she's been putting out recently.

Thoughts on her new song? The music video comes out in about an hour, but the song itself is out.

onetruetrash wrote:Thoughts on her new song? The music video comes out in about an hour, but the song itself is out.

I just listened to all the samples for the songs on her new Ep and I have to say, I’m really not impressed at all. I don’t think there’s a lot of integrity when it comes to Emma and music. Not even a year ago she made a lot of videos about how punk and punk-pop bands had inspired her as a teenager and how her new favourite thing were TOP and back then I believed her because she seemed genuine about it even though I thought the music she put out back then was shallow and cringy. But now, a year later, this new grunge thing she had going on back then isn’t popular anymore and suddenly she’s this glittery pastel aesthetic folk pop singer? I don’t buy it.

She sounds like early Taylor Swift on her new Ep, her edgy grunge persona seems to be forgotten. In fact her new music sounds a lot like what Dodie does, just not quite as well done. Maybe I’m wrong about her but I feel like Emma likes the idea of being a musician more than actually writing and putting out sincere heartfelt music. She’s always doing what’s popular at the moment and I wonder if that’s going to be her fate. Put out a new Ep every few months or years and change her style to whatever is popular at the moment for it. Because right now there’s no consistency at all so how is she going to build up a fan base outside of Youtube? And how is she going to convince people she actually stands behind the music she puts out if she sounds completely different every few months?

I wish her all the best, it's not like she isn't a talented singer, but I really hope she stops changing her musical style up every few months because who's going to take her seriously like this?

Birdie wrote:

onetruetrash wrote:Thoughts on her new song? The music video comes out in about an hour, but the song itself is out.

I just listened to all the samples for the songs on her new Ep and I have to say, I’m really not impressed at all. I don’t think there’s a lot of integrity when it comes to Emma and music. Not even a year ago she made a lot of videos about how punk and punk-pop bands had inspired her as a teenager and how her new favourite thing were TOP and back then I believed her because she seemed genuine about it even though I thought the music she put out back then was shallow and cringy. But now, a year later, this new grunge thing she had going on back then isn’t popular anymore and suddenly she’s this glittery pastel aesthetic folk pop singer? I don’t buy it.

She sounds like early Taylor Swift on her new Ep, her edgy grunge persona seems to be forgotten. In fact her new music sounds a lot like what Dodie does, just not quite as well done. Maybe I’m wrong about her but I feel like Emma likes the idea of being a musician more than actually writing and putting out sincere heartfelt music. She’s always doing what’s popular at the moment and I wonder if that’s going to be her fate. Put out a new Ep every few months or years and change her style to whatever is popular at the moment for it. Because right now there’s no consistency at all so how is she going to build up a fan base outside of Youtube? And how is she going to convince people she actually stands behind the music she puts out if she sounds completely different every few months?

I wish her all the best, it's not like she isn't a talented singer, but I really hope she stops changing her musical style up every few months because who's going to take her seriously like this?

Pretty sure the inconsistent changes have to do with her having no sense of self. I do think you're right about how that may be a problem if she wants to build up a fanbase for her music.

I'm kind of aroused by also cringing
It's a very aesthetically pleasing video, the kind that giffed around Tumblr. She looks really good in it. But I find something unsettling about her dancing around an apartment by herself, as if she's surrounded by people, it feels weird and disconnected and I can't put my finger on what it is. It's just disingenuous, the style of the video, with the music itself. I don't like pop-punk, period. Frankly, it all sounds the same. This isn't the worst song she's done, in fact I think it's my favourite, funny enough? However, I'm disappointed to find that a lot of her songs all sound the same, there's no change in style or genre, and follows the same basic tune. I find a lot of pop-punk bands do this though, so I'm just salty about the genre in general, so I can't really provide a good opinion. Still, her genre repertoire is weak, and that shows in what she makes, I think she should experiment more. I find Dodie is talented at one thing I don't think can be disputed-she's damn good at making a catchy tune, and in my opinion can make songs that all sound quite different and don't seen to all be the same sound. I knew clicking on Emma's video, it was going to sound like every other song she's ever done. At least she's made it pretty.

I'm sometimes alienated by comments that sound as if wishing Emma will fail and celebrating if she does so, or if something is lackluster, or just because. I mean, criticism is always valid, and Emma isn't exactly the world' most perfect person, but I do want to see her achieve well and do what she likes. It was nice seeing she released a new video, regardless of it not even being a genre I enjoy listening to.

Well, I do think she looked lovely in this video, and I liked the colours. Dark curly hair, pretty make-up and pastel/ white clothes look very nice on her, and make her look softer. She has a nice figure, too. Sorry, enough objectifying.

The lack of depth in the video and lyrics was very clear to me, and the look and sound were very mismatched. It was (at times) a too-strong pop-punk voice over a softer pop punk track, and softer colours and style with a more pop-punk rhythm. The chord progression and rhythm were predictable and incomplex, and I couldn't actually understand what she was saying in more than a few lines. The video was literally just alternating shots of her dancing around in a house alone or rolling around in some sheets. I wouldn't have minded as much if they'd just been a part of the video (even if they were somewhat trite), but it felt like there was something missing, and this video needed some kind of visual narrative to strengthen it and tie it to the song better. E.g. Luke doing a cameo as her ex, them playing out a relationship breaking down. It would have at least been fun and made the song easier to digest. (I kept forgetting what the song was about.)

I hate to compare people, but her music just seems so bland and superficial and forgettable compared to other aspiring YouTube artists, with nothing unique to make her stand out. She admitted herself she's not a very creative person, and it shows. To be honest I don't think that's completely true, as she at least takes the initiative to write her own songs, play guitar, make videos, write a book, etc. She does have some creativity and talent. It's just not that deep or intelligent or meaningful. If she were in a band with other people writing the songs and an image/music style to anchor herself to, she might have more success.

Edit: I agree with a lot of what dia said.

You both just said a lot of what I was trying to say, dia and thephandommenace, only so much better.

I just watched the video and she does look really pretty in it but it just confirmed my overall take-away from the new Ep. Another new aesthetic, another new musical style and the folky upbeat vibe the song has going on reminds me a lot of Taylor Swift's earlier pop country music (and it contrasts with her singing style, I think). I do wish her all the best and I hope she gets the success she wants but I don't see it happening for the reasons mentioned by dia and thephandommenace. I really think she could do more, I absolutely adore her cover of "You Ain't Woman Enough" she did a while back. But if this is the kind of music she wants to put out, then that's what she should do obviously.

Birdie wrote:I really think she could do more, I absolutely adore her cover of "You Ain't Woman Enough" she did a while back. But if this is the kind of music she wants to put out, then that's what she should do obviously.

My thoughts exactly. I do like her new stuff, but that cover shows how powerful her voice can really be.

Sorry to double post, I missed the editing slot.

Anyway, I was scrolling through the comments off the music video and I noticed people saying part of the chorus sounded similar to part of the chorus of Anything But Ordinary by Avril Lavigne.

Granted it's a very small part, but I don't think it's a coincidence since Emma has made it clear she's a fan on Avril.

onetruetrash wrote:

morbit wrote:Did anyone watch the latest video on vloggery with Carrie? The cringe is real.

How?

It felt like they were begging for people to ship them, which is a youtube strategy that I strongly dislike.

I think her North Korea videos are really interesting. Wish she'd make more of those.

It just wanted to clarify that I don't think Emma was stealing or anything like that.

onetruetrash wrote:Sorry to double post, I missed the editing slot.

Anyway, I was scrolling through the comments off the music video and I noticed people saying part of the chorus sounded similar to part of the chorus of Anything But Ordinary by Avril Lavigne.

Granted it's a very small part, but I don't think it's a coincidence since Emma has made it clear she's a fan on Avril.

Isn't that the same as how she used to be a clear fan of Paramore and now constantly makes jokes about her pretending to be Hayley Williams?

It is a small part, but I wouldn't be surprised. Some part of me thinks she's doing 'pop' music to be like the celebrities she used to adore.

Just like how she used to make videos like Dan's...

wolfgutscharlie wrote:

onetruetrash wrote:Sorry to double post, I missed the editing slot.

Anyway, I was scrolling through the comments off the music video and I noticed people saying part of the chorus sounded similar to part of the chorus of Anything But Ordinary by Avril Lavigne.

Granted it's a very small part, but I don't think it's a coincidence since Emma has made it clear she's a fan on Avril.

Isn't that the same as how she used to be a clear fan of Paramore and now constantly makes jokes about her pretending to be Hayley Williams?

It is a small part, but I wouldn't be surprised. Some part of me thinks she's doing 'pop' music to be like the celebrities she used to adore.

Just like how she used to make videos like Dan's...

I didn't even think about that! But yeah, I don't think she just flat out stole it or anything, but I find it pretty coincidental that the similarities are between an artist she knows and not someone completely unrelated.

(I sound like I hate the song, but it's really one of my favorites by her.)

onetruetrash wrote:I didn't even think about that! But yeah, I don't think she just flat out stole it or anything, but I find it pretty coincidental that the similarities are between an artist she knows and not someone completely unrelated.

(I sound like I hate the song, but it's really one of my favorites by her.)

You've mentioned the other day that she has no sense of self and I think this might be what's making her music so unoriginal. She always seems to try to be someone else or be like someone else, she never does something that's really her. She hasn't developed her own style after all these years and maybe that's because she doesn't know what she really wants to do? I thought about it and I think that's why I think her music sounds shallow. It's not really her, it's always similar to someone else's music. I absolutely think she has it in her to make original, good music. She's done it before. That song she wrote after Christina Grimmie's death was breathtaking. But if it's really her mental health that keeps her from being truly original, I hope she gets better soon.

(You might think I hate Emma from my posts on this thread but I'm actually just disappointed in her. I used to love her and I do still like her but all that stuff she's pulled lately made me a bit weary. Like, every time I start really liking her again, something new happens...)

Katka wrote:You've mentioned the other day that she has no sense of self and I think this might be what's making her music so unoriginal. She always seems to try to be someone else or be like someone else, she never does something that's really her. She hasn't developed her own style after all these years and maybe that's because she doesn't know what she really wants to do? I thought about it and I think that's why I think her music sounds shallow. It's not really her, it's always similar to someone else's music. I absolutely think she has it in her to make original, good music. She's done it before. That song she wrote after Christina Grimmie's death was breathtaking. But if it's really her mental health that keeps her from being truly original, I hope she gets better soon.

It's sad Emma deleted that song. I didn't even know it existed until a few weeks ago and it really is amazing.

Sadly, I don't think Emma is going to "get better". She said she has BPD and I did a lot of research on it. It can be caused by something physical like something wrong with your brain, it can be genetic, or it can be caused by parental neglect or abandonment. The first two options cannot be cured (as far as I know since you'd have to change something physical), but it must be one of those because Emma has the exact opposite problem as far as parents go. She also mentioned that this is all she's ever known, implying she was born with the disorder. I hope she is able to lessen the symptoms, even if it cannot be cured completely.

onetruetrash wrote: Sadly, I don't think Emma is going to "get better". She said she has BPD and I did a lot of research on it. It can be caused by something physical like something wrong with your brain, it can be genetic, or it can be caused by parental neglect or abandonment. The first two options cannot be cured (as far as I know since you'd have to change something physical), but it must be one of those because Emma has the exact opposite problem as far as parents go. She also mentioned that this is all she's ever known, implying she was born with the disorder. I hope she is able to lessen the symptoms, even if it cannot be cured completely.

Idk, but I'm discomforted by the idea of her BPD affecting her music. Surely those things have no connection? I wouldn't attribute her musical style and "lack of self" as a reason for her lack of originality and all caused by her BPD. Her music isn't for everyone, and not everyone can relate to it, and see pieces of other people rather than Emma herself, but this is just an opinion. We don't really know anything about Emma herself and making assumptions about her mental health and saying how it's reason for her subpar music just rubs me the wrong way.

And while Emma's mental health may be something she may always have to deal with, there's nothing wring with having it and I don't find it sad that she had it. It's a part if her, and she may find ways of overcoming it, but I would never, even consider it a fault of hers.

You're absolutely right of course. It was just an idea I had, I didn't mean to say I was sure her mental health affected her music. Maybe I was just projecting because my mental health affects my own writing and music a lot but that doesn't have to be true for everyone. Anyways, music seems to make Emma happy and I'm glad she's still making music after all this time. I hope she's happy with what she puts out of course and I'm glad lots of people like her music. I was just thinking about if maybe her issues with having no sense of self might influence her music, but I kind of overstepped and should have worded it a lot more carefully.

I kind of got mixed up there and I clearly wasn't thinking too much when I hit submit without realising how weird my post sounds. Sorry.

dia wrote:And while Emma's mental health may be something she may always have to deal with, there's nothing wring with having it and I don't find it sad that she had it. It's a part if her, and she may find ways of overcoming it, but I would never, even consider it a fault of hers.

I agree. One thing I really like about Emma is how openly she talks about her mental illness and whilst I do hope she gets better (meaning I hope she has/finds a good way for herself to live with it), her mental illness isn't a fault. I mean, I don't wish mental illness on anyone, it's not fun to deal with, but it's not a fault of hers and it doesn't make her less likely to achieve her dreams. She'll get there. If I know one thing about Emma Blackery it's that she does not give up and I do admire that about her.

My god she's being obnoxious about dogsitting for pewdiepie, like she's got to leech all the secondhand attention possible out of it while she can. And his pattern of making great choices continues to amaze.. I kind of assumed that the implosion of Revelmode would kind of be an easy out to drop Emma (because she mostly just came off like an annoyingly try-hard outsider in their Revelmode charity streams, not so much a welcome part of the group), but here they are. I guess they deserve each other anyway.