Dan & Phil Part 93: Fomosexual

[flarequake]

I can’t believe people get away with disastrous cons like that and get invited back by who they insulted either, amazing. I am really intrigued to see a joint thing with them again, don’t suppose they’ll find it too weird collabing again in the pcou. Lovely that they’re finishing what they tried to do with ii.

[kavat]

I'm so glad for the Mexican fans! And it's so fun that they're doing a q&a, I hope they share some new thoughts about ii now that they have some distance to it, and we are in the pcou.

[glitterintheair]

Like everyone else, I am very happy for all the Mexican phannies, the deserve this so much and I am glad that dnp could keep their promise to go visit them. I hope that the Q&A won’t be about the same 3/4 questions we heard about 200 times already. I want something new, especially ‘cause it will be the first joint collab we’ll see from them after a long while.

[stufflizloves]

i was a bit checked out of fandom this weekend, so i went to Dans twitter this AM to catch up on his replies from yesterday & noticed that he had liked a bunch of old tweets in the hashtag HeaderforDan. he’s had Hectors art as his header since BIG, hasn’t he? i thought it was sort of interesting...maybe the babiest indication that his youtube wheels may be turning somewhat? or at least he would have a reason to update the header? idk.

[madzilla84]

I wonder why Phil hasn’t said anything about Mexico yet? He was online yesterday as he posted a YouTube story... still, makes a change for Dan to be the one posting for both of them for once. Idk, maybe he was busy until late and might post something about it tonight? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[liola]

I wonder why Phil hasn’t said anything about Mexico yet? He was online yesterday as he posted a YouTube story... still, makes a change for Dan to be the one posting for both of them for once. Idk, maybe he was busy until late and might post something about it tonight? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

He RTd Dan's post about it! Guess he didn't feel the need to add anything more

i was a bit checked out of fandom this weekend, so i went to Dans twitter this AM to catch up on his replies from yesterday & noticed that he had liked a bunch of old tweets in the hashtag HeaderforDan. he’s had Hectors art as his header since BIG, hasn’t he? i thought it was sort of interesting...maybe the babiest indication that his youtube wheels may be turning somewhat? or at least he would have a reason to update the header? idk.

I think it's because people bothered him about changing his layout which prompted the bread face pfp, and he also said he doesn't know what to change his layout to so he probably just wanted to go through it since he hasn't done it in forever, i don't think it's an indication about anything tbh

[madzilla84]

Oh, right! I guess I didn’t see that as I follow them both so I didn’t get a separate notification, or something. Thanks!

[alittledizzy]

I love him. Also Cornelia. Her ig story q&a yesterday just made me smile.

[flarequake]

Oh, Martyn. Hilarious that he still had one lying around, though. That photo, how did they get into such a mess. Damn, they’re cute.

[rizzo]

So Tyler keeps hinting at his new collab and like... I'm not getting my hopes up, but he's sure trying to get them up with this shit:

[liola]

It..does sound like Dan. Which.. maeh. On one hand, dan speaking!!! And his collabs with Tyler are always funny and I like Tyler and their interactions, they clearly enjoy each other's company.
But also.. I was telling myself the reason for the no-Phil-collab reason was just that Dan wanted to be back on youtube on his own and not on someone else's channel so if this is it... i'll be sad not gonna lie. i'll feel the "on purpose"ness of the situation even more

gotta wait and see

[hello9217]

Yeah I agree with above. Ik tyler has liked tweets too that mentioned dan but I guess we’ll see. I really hope it’s not though bc I feel like it would be super weird if dan hasn’t posted a video in 7 months and won’t even show his face on phil’s channel but he will make his first debut appearance on Tyler’s channel.

Anthony I could understand more bc I feel like they’re closer friends. Honestly the last time I think they interacted was at 2017 vidcon. I could totally be wrong but that’s the last I remember

[rizzo]

Honestly, if it were Dan, I'd be nothing but happy. He clearly is trying to pull away from his relationship with Phil being the focus of his career - that much is obvious enough. And maybe his channel is still difficult/intensive for him to create content for, but it doesn't hurt to knock out an easy video with someone friendly.

Like... we'd be getting his face in a nice chunk of video. What's there to be mad about?

[Secretstanner]

Yeah I agree with above. Ik tyler has liked tweets too that mentioned dan but I guess we’ll see.

Tyler has been known to do this a few times now. He did it when he was in London but it had nothing to do with them. Most of us knew but we all still clowning ourselves. I’ll be more surprised than not if it is dan. I really don’t believe anything Tyler hints too. But I do like their collabs so I wouldn’t be mad at all. But.. that being your first video wouldn’t you want it to be on your channel and not a collab on some else's?

[Megancita75]

I think it would be fun if he collabed with Tyler. They could talk about coming out or whatever -- they have good chemistry -- and I don't think there are any rules about how Dan needs to come back to YouTube, if that's in fact what he is doing. It still makes a lot of sense to me that he and Phil aren't doing anything together other than the voice cameos on Phil's channel. If they want to separate joint branding and also protect their private relationship now that they are out, I can totally understand why they wouldn't do a lot of joint stuff now and in the future. So far it seems to me that they are doing exactly what Phil said in DML2, and I expect that to continue.

[liola]

Honestly, if it were Dan, I'd be nothing but happy. He clearly is trying to pull away from his relationship with Phil being the focus of his career - that much is obvious enough. And maybe his channel is still difficult/intensive for him to create content for, but it doesn't hurt to knock out an easy video with someone friendly.

Like... we'd be getting his face in a nice chunk of video. What's there to be mad about?

Like I said i love their collabs, it's just how "deliberate" it feels i guess, given that he and Phil have barely appeared on frame together in the last year when they spent how many years as a duo and still doing joint merch and q&as? (except the video messages, that clearly raised the average)

It just hurts a bit if that were the case, that's all i'm personally saying, because I remember us talking about this exact thing last year and the general consent was that Dan was waiting to come back on his own channel before appearing on someone else's and that's why he wasn't on Phil's channel, while now it's just obvious that he simply does not want to. And it's fine, he's not forced to, but it hurts a bit

[noodlebum]

Nope

[parallel]

Phil also fits all of the criteria that Tyler has mentioned, right? Tall, has collabed with Tyler before? Why wouldn't the collab be with Phil?

Edit: Nope

[noodlebum]

edit: too late

[alittledizzy]

Honestly, if it were Dan, I'd be nothing but happy. He clearly is trying to pull away from his relationship with Phil being the focus of his career - that much is obvious enough. And maybe his channel is still difficult/intensive for him to create content for, but it doesn't hurt to knock out an easy video with someone friendly.

Like... we'd be getting his face in a nice chunk of video. What's there to be mad about?

Like I said i love their collabs, it's just how "deliberate" it feels i guess, given that he and Phil have barely appeared on frame together in the last year when they spent how many years as a duo and still doing joint merch and q&as? (except the video messages, that clearly raised the average)

It just hurts a bit if that were the case, that's all i'm personally saying, because I remember us talking about this exact thing last year and the general consent was that Dan was waiting to come back on his own channel before appearing on someone else's and that's why he wasn't on Phil's channel, while now it's just obvious that he simply does not want to. And it's fine, he's not forced to, but it hurts a bit

I think this is a situation where people are going to be hurt no matter what Dan does. I expected people to be a lot happier that he was keeping his promise to Mexico - that seems really significant to me, that Dan felt strongly enough about making it up to those phans to agree to an appearance even when he's taken a step back from them. That proves that phandom is still significant for him and his fans and fanbase does matter, even if he's not letting our desires dictate every decision (career or personal, or personal-being-career) for him.

I also think I'm coming to accept that unilateral thinking won't. He's a person who probably weighs the pros and cons of each step before he does it, he's not thinking 'I didn't do A so I'm never allowed to do B' no matter how much easier that would make things for us. He's just going to do what he feels comfortable and confident doing, when he feels doing it, and there may not be a predictable rhyme or reason to it. Maybe that's the kind of freedom he needs right now after having such a scheduled out, view-and-fan-response driven career for so long.

I also think it's clear that with Phil it's different because they're partners in life not just content. Even if he had collabed with Tyler it would have been because he doesn't have a whole personal life with Tyler he wants to be valuing above their careers.

(Please note that I'm not saying anyone can't be hurt. Everyone's feelings are valid, and obviously Dan and Phil onscreen together is what I want too. I'm just discussing my take on the situation.)

[Secretstanner]

Hahaha now can we stop believing Tyler everytime he hints that it’s dan. Please! It’s going to be the boy who cried woof, because when he does collab with dan one day I won’t believe it.

[alittledizzy]

Hahaha now can we stop believing Tyler everytime he hints that it’s dan. Please! It’s going to be the boy who cried woof, because when he does collab with dan one day I won’t believe it.

lmao

[liola]

Oh I got prematurely upset with NO reason this is still a win for me sorry everyone my fave chaotic gays together > no Dan

Honestly, if it were Dan, I'd be nothing but happy. He clearly is trying to pull away from his relationship with Phil being the focus of his career - that much is obvious enough. And maybe his channel is still difficult/intensive for him to create content for, but it doesn't hurt to knock out an easy video with someone friendly.

Like... we'd be getting his face in a nice chunk of video. What's there to be mad about?

Like I said i love their collabs, it's just how "deliberate" it feels i guess, given that he and Phil have barely appeared on frame together in the last year when they spent how many years as a duo and still doing joint merch and q&as? (except the video messages, that clearly raised the average)

It just hurts a bit if that were the case, that's all i'm personally saying, because I remember us talking about this exact thing last year and the general consent was that Dan was waiting to come back on his own channel before appearing on someone else's and that's why he wasn't on Phil's channel, while now it's just obvious that he simply does not want to. And it's fine, he's not forced to, but it hurts a bit

I think this is a situation where people are going to be hurt no matter what Dan does. I expected people to be a lot happier that he was keeping his promise to Mexico - that seems really significant to me, that Dan felt strongly enough about making it up to those phans to agree to an appearance even when he's taken a step back from them. That proves that phandom is still significant for him and his fans and fanbase does matter, even if he's not letting our desires dictate every decision (career or personal, or personal-being-career) for him.

I also think I'm coming to accept that unilateral thinking won't. He's a person who probably weighs the pros and cons of each step before he does it, he's not thinking 'I didn't do A so I'm never allowed to do A' no matter how much easier that would make things for us. He's just going to do what he feels comfortable and confident doing, when he feels doing it, and there may not be a predictable rhyme or reason to it. Maybe that's the kind of freedom he needs right now after having such a scheduled out, view-and-fan-response driven career for so long.

I also think it's clear that with Phil isn't different because they're partners in life not just content. Even if he had collabed with Tyler (he didn't; it was someone else) it would have been because he doesn't have a whole personal life with Tyler he wants to be valuing above their careers.

(Please note that I'm not saying anyone can't be hurt. Everyone's feelings are valid, and obviously Dan and Phil onscreen together is what I want too. I'm just discussing my take on the situation.)

I see that, I respect that, again please note that my criticism of Dan always has the underline of "he can do WHATEVER he wants and whatever makes him feel comfortable and happy"

But it still hurts because this is not a rational situation and because hey, we care about a dude who doesn't know us, that is always gonna have some negative effects. I think a lot of these negative feelings could've been avoided by Dan having a different attitude this past year but it didn't happen so here we are, and it sucks, i hate it, i can't even imagine how Dan must feel and I bet he's tired and frustrated over this.

But on the fandom end, sometimes it also still sucks. And we miss things.

(I think the Mexico situation is less than elated for some peeps because of Vidcon London, not gonna lie i'm elated for mexican phannies and still bitter myself because they never come to italy as well and i'm travelling to their city and Dan isn't coming lmao and like.. i cared more about phil and the experience of community so i'm kay with it but for people who like Dan a lot, it sucks a tiny bit, especially if they travel. )

[glitterintheair]

Did anyone seriously believe it was gonna be Dan on Tyler’s vid? That lad is done with youtube.

And honestly the idea of Dan coming back on youtube after BIG by doing a collab with someone that is not Phil would’ve been so awful. I am sorry but I would’ve hated it and mind you, I like Tyler. But... no. Just no. SO I AM HAPPY, yay!!

[wiccamoody]

Honestly, if it were Dan, I'd be nothing but happy. He clearly is trying to pull away from his relationship with Phil being the focus of his career - that much is obvious enough. And maybe his channel is still difficult/intensive for him to create content for, but it doesn't hurt to knock out an easy video with someone friendly.

Like... we'd be getting his face in a nice chunk of video. What's there to be mad about?

Like I said i love their collabs, it's just how "deliberate" it feels i guess, given that he and Phil have barely appeared on frame together in the last year when they spent how many years as a duo and still doing joint merch and q&as? (except the video messages, that clearly raised the average)

It just hurts a bit if that were the case, that's all i'm personally saying, because I remember us talking about this exact thing last year and the general consent was that Dan was waiting to come back on his own channel before appearing on someone else's and that's why he wasn't on Phil's channel, while now it's just obvious that he simply does not want to. And it's fine, he's not forced to, but it hurts a bit

I think this is a situation where people are going to be hurt no matter what Dan does. I expected people to be a lot happier that he was keeping his promise to Mexico - that seems really significant to me, that Dan felt strongly enough about making it up to those phans to agree to an appearance even when he's taken a step back from them. That proves that phandom is still significant for him and his fans and fanbase does matter, even if he's not letting our desires dictate every decision (career or personal, or personal-being-career) for him.

I also think I'm coming to accept that unilateral thinking won't. He's a person who probably weighs the pros and cons of each step before he does it, he's not thinking 'I didn't do A so I'm never allowed to do B' no matter how much easier that would make things for us. He's just going to do what he feels comfortable and confident doing, when he feels doing it, and there may not be a predictable rhyme or reason to it. Maybe that's the kind of freedom he needs right now after having such a scheduled out, view-and-fan-response driven career for so long.

I also think it's clear that with Phil isn't different because they're partners in life not just content. Even if he had collabed with Tyler (he didn't; it was someone else) it would have been because he doesn't have a whole personal life with Tyler he wants to be valuing above their careers.

(Please note that I'm not saying anyone can't be hurt. Everyone's feelings are valid, and obviously Dan and Phil onscreen together is what I want too. I'm just discussing my take on the situation.)

I can really see both sides of this; personally I'd be happy to see Dan again in any capacity however I can't say I wouldn't feel a little disappointed and hurt he wouldn't come back to his own channel first. And tbh, I agree with everything dizzy said above.

I also want to say: I think we can trust Dan to not do something like that. He's probably not going to do anything he thinks would be extremely detrimental to retaining his core audience (before anyone jumps down my throat about dapg: that's a different situation). Sure I want more communication and I want them to be better at it, I want them to tell us things, but sometimes they can't and I'll respect that. I just don't think we have a logical reason to think Dan would intentionally alienate his core audience, especially when we don't know what's happening behind the scenes.

I do want to say I think everyone's feelings are valid, I just think we can give Dan a little more credit than what's been given within this subject.