darn I missed most of the conversation
that's what I get for putting off grading final exams until the night before they're due so a bit off topic now sorry!
I love how phil-focused (phil-positive? i can't find the right words) idb has gotten lately, tumblr and twitter seems like they tend to still overlook phil unless it's in the context of #phan.
on objectification
since the convo included a bit of phil/dan comparisons, for some reason remembered an evan video I saw a few days ago.
Should I use a trigger warning for luke? he warrants it imo
I've linked the video, but at the beginning Luke, Evan, and Lucy talk about first impressions of Deppy, and
Luke is a bit gross about them their whole conversation is a really great example of how the youtube community treats Deppy individually. they all talk about phil positively (as positively as Luke can be), while dan is mentioned in context of his appearence--Lucy says her first impression of dan was as "the hot friend" of phil's.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUpGa8XQb7Q&t=51s[/YouTube]
(Interesting note: Lucy says "I found phil before I found dan," and evan's response is that's like saying "I found god before I found drugs." )
on phil
As someone who recently converted from a casual to, well, a more than casual fan, I think it's possible viewers (especially tween/teen viewers) have/had trouble identifying with his content---phil doesn't reveal a significant amount of personal information like most youtubers so it's harder to get invested in his life, which let's be real is the main reason people watch youtubers (Deppy is a anomaly).
Phil's subscribers/twitter followers have been growing rapidly, and it's a rather recent phenomena. At least from how I'm seeing it, now that he and dan are more open about their relationship (platonic or otherwise) it's easier for viewers to get invested in his content, because now Dan is his personal life...the interactions between phil and dan are primary sources as a window into Phil's life. It's easier for viewers to get invested in him because he feels more "human." Other youtubers speak positively about phil often, and outside their peers it seems phil is "on the radar," just look at the recent tomska vlog (i'm so sorry I can't find the exact one) where he went to the creators summit (i think it was that?). the convention/seminar speaker uses phil's videos as the example of a successful intro. ANYWAY sorry, the point is I think people seem to underestimate phil's popularity and esteem? while yes, phil isn't usually seen as "hot" on initial viewing (which like, what??), I don't see that
signifigantly hurting his viewership, at least in the past year or two.
Does anyone else think that or am I just way off base?
on dan and phil
I'm not complaining, but I think it's kind of interesting how the topic of dan's objectification/sexualization quickly prompted a conversation affirming phil's attractiveness? it feels a bit like, idk, taking how dan is discredited by the way people objectify him and using it to point out how phil's looks don't positively effect him enough? ugh I don't know how to say what's I'm trying to say.
I'm mainly phil-centric, but I've just been so interested by dan lately b/c it seems like a lot of the time dan's mentioned in a lightly negative light (I'm not saying in an extreme way) in order to reaffirm phil in a positive way. or maybe those two things are not connected and just happening individually, im not sure. don't get me wrong, I'm not saying "we have to like both equally!!!11!," and I'm literally ALL HERE for #attractive phil talk, but I just feel like something's changed about how dan is treated in a way I don't quite understand.
I'M SORRY THIS IS SO LONG WHY DO I DO THIS. I swear I won't be this annoying anymore.
However,most importantly ... PHIL'S NEW HEADER IS AWESOME FFS
I agree with the last bit especially.
