Dan & Phil Part 35: knock knock, who’s there, i hate you

[flarequake]

Has Danny's tweet not been posted yet? Behold

Twitter's let him know it's a sign of anxiety over anger. Relax, Dan, do your liveshow breathing exercises.

ffs top of page again, this is hilarious.

[melon lord]

Has Danny's tweet not been posted yet? Behold

Twitter's let him know it's a sign of anxiety over anger. Relax, Dan, do your liveshow breathing exercises.

ffs top of page again, this is hilarious.

Bless his heart I clench my teeth all the freakin time, 90% of my headaches are due to that, I feel for him

[Philena]

Has Danny's tweet not been posted yet? Behold

Twitter's let him know it's a sign of anxiety over anger. Relax, Dan, do your liveshow breathing exercises.

ffs top of page again, this is hilarious.

Bless his heart I clench my teeth all the freakin time, 90% of my headaches are due to that, I feel for him

Same. God, the headaches. My clenching is triggered by stress and caffeine. My dentist actually prescribed massage therapy for my jaw

Eta: That pic of Phil! So much for the theory that he is afraid to appear unattractive.

[flarequake]

I have a massage every two weeks to keep my shoulders in check (just missed a month and by gods, the knots). Jaw massage is certainly specific, but it sounds like a good thing

[Birdie]

That Phil "selfie", oh my god.

I know all that, what I was saying that in the previous show D&P only created a format around the already existing request show so they had a solid base to work with. With The Internet Takeover they had no base, they created the entire concept of a show for the first time making any success or failure their direct responsibility than when they were just hosts with some original segments. And it probably didn't work out as well as D&P and the BBC had hoped. I also imagine that the show was expensive to make. It was filmed, internationally streamed, all episodes except D&P's had to be pre-recorded and some of the more famous hosts like Zoella, Tyler, Felix etc. probably asked for a good sum of money to appear. All of that can't have reflected well on D&P, no matter how much BBCR1 does love them and the audience they pull in.

I think this is a great point. I know some people who knew who Dan and Phil were but didn't realise it was them hosting the original radio show at first, they just listened to it because they always listened to R1 anyway. The original radio show wasn't based on Dan and Phil and you could listen to it without having any idea who they were. The Internet Takeover however required some knowledge about internet personalities since you were supposed to care Zoella or Tyler Oakley was on and I guess most R1 listeners had no idea who they were and why it was special they were on the show. I think the BBC and Dan and Phil too might have overestimated the appeal of putting Youtube personalities on the radio. Most Youtube fans I know didn't care for the radio show and even less for Internet Takeover. At least not enough to turn on the radio or livestream.

Bless his heart I clench my teeth all the freakin time, 90% of my headaches are due to that, I feel for him

Yes, me too. I don't even notice it most of the time but I get horrible headaches from it. I was told it's a reaction to stress and I should try to relax more (haha, yeah sure, I'll just get a new job then, no problem).

[melon lord]

Same. God, the headaches. My clenching is triggered by stress and caffeine. My dentist actually prescribed massage therapy for my jaw

Eta: That pic of Phil! So much for the theory that he is afraid to appear unattractive.

Mine is stress too but my issue is I'm always under stress

For a long time I went to bed with my mouth stuffed with balls of cotton wool to sort of cushion the teeth cause I started doing it in my sleep mostly, and now it's almost all the time until I realise my face and head is throbbing in pain and I need to force myself to relax

[Rigby]

Nice to know I'm not the only one who clenches their teeth! Actually my brother has the same problem and he uses a mouthguard at night, but the times I tried that my teeth hurt even more For me it's definitely a stress/anxiety thing.

Also, Phil's picture is going to give me nightmares for days.

[Amiaw]

Question for those who might know: on Danisnotonfire did Dan have his side channels listed under recommended or other channels? Right now he only has Dan and Phil games and I could have sworn it used to be different.

[Raspberrypi]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ga1OThHJ8Xg

Marcus stalks Dan's instagram from 3.43. Not that much of interest to note (I find Marcus boring anyway but he does say one of his pictures is raunchy cause he's biting his lip )

[sentinel]

The Internet Takeover was kind of a flop, nobody was here for it except for the times D&P were on. Considering it was Deppy's first original show concept (the Sunday shows were just as pimped up request show after all), I'm not sure whether that has reflected well on them.

But I'd looooove for D&P to do occasional radio documentaries and specials like they used to do. It'd be less time consuming than a regular show and I really enjoyed the ones they did. Especially the Happiness one which gave us this softness:

and this hilarious mess:

I think it was a flop because people were there for Dan and Phil who simply were not on. You can't convince me the request show coasted only on being the request show. Them opening the doors was a part of a conscious effort on BBC's side to make Radio One popular with the 14-18 and 18-24 demo. That's the reason why you now have Nick Grimshaw in the mornings rather than Chris Moyles, even if the latter pulled better numbers - Nick performs better in the target demo. So since Dan and Phil consistently, by themselves pull nice numbers and simply don't deliver when paired with others, it would make sense for the Beebs to try and get them back to their original set up rather than bet on wildcards who don't come with built in audience.

I know all that, what I was saying that in the previous show D&P only created a format around the already existing request show so they had a solid base to work with. With The Internet Takeover they had no base, they created the entire concept of a show for the first time making any success or failure their direct responsibility than when they were just hosts with some original segments. And it probably didn't work out as well as D&P and the BBC had hoped. I also imagine that the show was expensive to make. It was filmed, internationally streamed, all episodes except D&P's had to be pre-recorded and some of the more famous hosts like Zoella, Tyler, Felix etc. probably asked for a good sum of money to appear. All of that can't have reflected well on D&P, no matter how much BBCR1 does love them and the audience they pull in. I also wonder how much impact the phandom actually had on R1's demographic. Teens flocking to R1 for one or two hours a week/month is great, but if they never stick with the station after it's over and don't tune in any other time it might not be worth it.

Because they did initially talk about only a hiatus and didn't start pulling strange faces at mention of the show until summer, I suspect that between that time their contracts were up and that negotiations didn't go well so ultimately they parted ways. That would make a regular show impossible, but they did specials before they had a regular show and contract so I really do hope it is not the end of their radio days. It's still my second favorite thing they've done, right behind DAPG

This is not true, I'm afraid. As I stated above, the Internet Takeover wasn't unpopular because it was a bad idea, it was unpopular because it didn't have Dan and Phil. The Request Show was flopping long before they came along, they weren't coasting on built in audiences. A quick search of the R1 facebook will show you that Jameela's version got about 100 requests on average in the swing of things (sometimes as low as 50, sometimes as high as 140). Dan and Phil got over 500, consistently. Therefore people aren't there because it's the request show, they are there because Dan and Phil are on. This is also why it was called the Dan and Phil Show, during their time it was barely the request show. Combine this with the supposed low listenership to hosts other than them on the Takeover and you get a situation similar to what Top Gear is going trough at the moment: same format absolutely tanking in ratings with different hosts.

[majitzu]

Question for those who might know: on Danisnotonfire did Dan have his side channels listed under recommended or other channels? Right now he only has Dan and Phil games and I could have sworn it used to be different.

No he didn't have his side channelor other channels there

[secretagentphan]

Man oh man can I relate to clenching my jaw I don't even grind my teeth but I clench my jaw from stress so much that I gave myself TMJ and I constantly get headaches. (If anyone has any recommendations since it seems like we all have broken jaws please speak up because I'm dying)

Also that abomination of a selfie Phil posted actually made me laugh out loud now I look like a freak

[Catallena]

The Internet Takeover was kind of a flop, nobody was here for it except for the times D&P were on. Considering it was Deppy's first original show concept (the Sunday shows were just as pimped up request show after all), I'm not sure whether that has reflected well on them.

But I'd looooove for D&P to do occasional radio documentaries and specials like they used to do. It'd be less time consuming than a regular show and I really enjoyed the ones they did. Especially the Happiness one which gave us this softness:

and this hilarious mess:

I think it was a flop because people were there for Dan and Phil who simply were not on. You can't convince me the request show coasted only on being the request show. Them opening the doors was a part of a conscious effort on BBC's side to make Radio One popular with the 14-18 and 18-24 demo. That's the reason why you now have Nick Grimshaw in the mornings rather than Chris Moyles, even if the latter pulled better numbers - Nick performs better in the target demo. So since Dan and Phil consistently, by themselves pull nice numbers and simply don't deliver when paired with others, it would make sense for the Beebs to try and get them back to their original set up rather than bet on wildcards who don't come with built in audience.

I know all that, what I was saying that in the previous show D&P only created a format around the already existing request show so they had a solid base to work with. With The Internet Takeover they had no base, they created the entire concept of a show for the first time making any success or failure their direct responsibility than when they were just hosts with some original segments. And it probably didn't work out as well as D&P and the BBC had hoped. I also imagine that the show was expensive to make. It was filmed, internationally streamed, all episodes except D&P's had to be pre-recorded and some of the more famous hosts like Zoella, Tyler, Felix etc. probably asked for a good sum of money to appear. All of that can't have reflected well on D&P, no matter how much BBCR1 does love them and the audience they pull in. I also wonder how much impact the phandom actually had on R1's demographic. Teens flocking to R1 for one or two hours a week/month is great, but if they never stick with the station after it's over and don't tune in any other time it might not be worth it.

Because they did initially talk about only a hiatus and didn't start pulling strange faces at mention of the show until summer, I suspect that between that time their contracts were up and that negotiations didn't go well so ultimately they parted ways. That would make a regular show impossible, but they did specials before they had a regular show and contract so I really do hope it is not the end of their radio days. It's still my second favorite thing they've done, right behind DAPG

This is not true, I'm afraid. As I stated above, the Internet Takeover wasn't unpopular because it was a bad idea, it was unpopular because it didn't have Dan and Phil. The Request Show was flopping long before they came along, they weren't coasting on built in audiences. A quick search of the R1 facebook will show you that Jameela's version got about 100 requests on average in the swing of things (sometimes as low as 50, sometimes as high as 140). Dan and Phil got over 500, consistently. Therefore people aren't there because it's the request show, they are there because Dan and Phil are on. This is also why it was called the Dan and Phil Show, during their time it was barely the request show. Combine this with the supposed low listenership to hosts other than them on the Takeover and you get a situation similar to what Top Gear is going trough at the moment: same format absolutely tanking in ratings with different hosts.

So it was a bad idea, because the entire Internet Takeover format that D&P created revolved around switching hosts every week. That was the format, and it failed. And as creators of the whole thing (backed up by R1 being thirsty for more teen audiences) they failed. Top Gear isn't comparable to this at all, because the format of the show was never set up to switch out abusive wankers hosts. The Internet Takeover was.

So The Internet Takeover didn't just fail because of the hosts, it failed because of the format that let it revolve around those hosts. Who happened to be shit and uninteresting, and most importantly didn't have a fanbase as loyal as the phandom. One could have some of the best and most popular hosts out there, when put in a bad format it's still gonna be shit and possibly a flop. Of course it can work the other way around as well, but format is so important.

As far as the request show goes, again it's about format. It's true that they didn't build on an existing audience (request shows are the reject hours of radio imo lol, it's where you put your shitty boring jocks who can't put a good show and playlist together to save their lives.. there is no real attached audience normally) but on an existing format. And D&P being the kings of audience interaction that they are owned it. Back then they were put into the right format that they properly tweaked into their show while still honoring the foundation of it. They easily could've been dropped into a format that didn't suit them, they really got quite quickly.

Hosts and formats are equally important in media, and if you format solely revolved around hosts changing every week... well. It can go like this.

[dontpanic]

The Internet Takeover was kind of a flop, nobody was here for it except for the times D&P were on. Considering it was Deppy's first original show concept (the Sunday shows were just as pimped up request show after all), I'm not sure whether that has reflected well on them.

But I'd looooove for D&P to do occasional radio documentaries and specials like they used to do. It'd be less time consuming than a regular show and I really enjoyed the ones they did. Especially the Happiness one which gave us this softness:

and this hilarious mess:

I think it was a flop because people were there for Dan and Phil who simply were not on. You can't convince me the request show coasted only on being the request show. Them opening the doors was a part of a conscious effort on BBC's side to make Radio One popular with the 14-18 and 18-24 demo. That's the reason why you now have Nick Grimshaw in the mornings rather than Chris Moyles, even if the latter pulled better numbers - Nick performs better in the target demo. So since Dan and Phil consistently, by themselves pull nice numbers and simply don't deliver when paired with others, it would make sense for the Beebs to try and get them back to their original set up rather than bet on wildcards who don't come with built in audience.

I know all that, what I was saying that in the previous show D&P only created a format around the already existing request show so they had a solid base to work with. With The Internet Takeover they had no base, they created the entire concept of a show for the first time making any success or failure their direct responsibility than when they were just hosts with some original segments. And it probably didn't work out as well as D&P and the BBC had hoped. I also imagine that the show was expensive to make. It was filmed, internationally streamed, all episodes except D&P's had to be pre-recorded and some of the more famous hosts like Zoella, Tyler, Felix etc. probably asked for a good sum of money to appear. All of that can't have reflected well on D&P, no matter how much BBCR1 does love them and the audience they pull in. I also wonder how much impact the phandom actually had on R1's demographic. Teens flocking to R1 for one or two hours a week/month is great, but if they never stick with the station after it's over and don't tune in any other time it might not be worth it.

Because they did initially talk about only a hiatus and didn't start pulling strange faces at mention of the show until summer, I suspect that between that time their contracts were up and that negotiations didn't go well so ultimately they parted ways. That would make a regular show impossible, but they did specials before they had a regular show and contract so I really do hope it is not the end of their radio days. It's still my second favorite thing they've done, right behind DAPG

This is not true, I'm afraid. As I stated above, the Internet Takeover wasn't unpopular because it was a bad idea, it was unpopular because it didn't have Dan and Phil. The Request Show was flopping long before they came along, they weren't coasting on built in audiences. A quick search of the R1 facebook will show you that Jameela's version got about 100 requests on average in the swing of things (sometimes as low as 50, sometimes as high as 140). Dan and Phil got over 500, consistently. Therefore people aren't there because it's the request show, they are there because Dan and Phil are on. This is also why it was called the Dan and Phil Show, during their time it was barely the request show. Combine this with the supposed low listenership to hosts other than them on the Takeover and you get a situation similar to what Top Gear is going trough at the moment: same format absolutely tanking in ratings with different hosts.

This is such an interesting conversation! I'm sorry, I stay both on topic but also stray at parts.

I'm pretty confident the show didn't do as bad as we seem to make it out to be. We can't forget they hosted a radio show on Monday nights from 9 to 10pm (?). Drive time ends at around 7pm; by 9pm most people are not going to be tuning into the radio, even if Justin Beiber himself decided to host a show. It's no question the BBC wanted a show that could engage younger audiences and increase listenership, but they wouldn't expect a HUGE increase, as they prob didn't expect to convert a whole lot of young listeners who tune in for D&P into regular BBCR1 listeners, they just wanted to up their younger numbers in general even if it means only in that timespot or things like Brit awards livestream. The Dan & Phil Show was very sucessful, moreso than Internet Takeover, but that doesn't make it unsucessful.

I boringly elaborate under the spoiler can you tell I over-analyze things?

The Internet Takeover let them keep a regular if infrequent schedule with the BBC, and it still brought in an audience BBCR1 rarely saw in a very unpopular timeslot. Deppy got some of the biggest youtubers with active fanbases who would tune in. Regular (aka older) BBCR1 listeners won't tune in at 9pm, so even though other youtubers didn't get the numbers deppy did they didn't do lower than a career radio host with no built in viewership. And Deppy's smart because, for example, Zoella mentioned Deppy a number of times while hosting--That's free promo for Deppy without them having to do much. & Internet Takeover didn't end because it wasn't turning listeners of their show into listeners of BBCR1 in general, it ended because Dan and Phil were going on their world tour keeping them away from London for months.
Them joining BBC was groundbreaking and gave them a lot of opportunities, but it didn't greatly increase their viewership. They got more name recognition in the 2-ish years of the Dan & Phil Show, but it wouldn't lead to anything bigger. It'd be awesome if they could do more with the BBC (more like puppy video please!) but they wouldn't be offered much more than the number of social media-specific (aka small) things (the internet stream of the brit awards, stuff like that).
And we're talking about Dan here. Phil would have probs been fine, but writing the book and planning the show ON TOP of doing the straight up Dan & Phil Show would likely be too overwhelming for Dan, Takeover lightened the load a lot.

Speculative claim: other internet stars wouldn't do much better than the college radio show on now, but they didn't do worse when on Internet Takeover and weren't as floppy as it's sometimes thought. And it's interesting/important to note, the internet takeover started at the end of 2014 right when they decided to write the book. The book, tour, and movie gave them more publicity in their most successful sphere of influence, youtube.

Youtube wanting to promote YR means they'll publicize Deppy more + Deppy earns more money off videos than from the BBC+physical book(s, meet&greets (the subtile yet important factor) and movie(s) makes audiences feel more engaged + subscribers even more invested,vocal (aka free promo), and active + their increased popularity and name-recognition on the whole keeps them relevant longer (important now that they're getting older) = more opprotunities for cool things. All this will help their relevance last longer than BBCR1 would have.

Examples:

look at how prominantly Deppy featured in Rewind. Sure Deppy has a very VERY engaged fanbase compared to their peers, but that prob wasn't the only reason they essentiallyopened for Rewind AND featured in the thumbnail AND the teaser trailerwhy did the rock open i don't unDERSTAND. Also, Deps were the only ones at the awkward James Corden thing who weren't the midlevel popular youtubers actually in the campaign

Without everything they did last year there's a chance they would be on the downfall rather than an upswing like they are. Focusing on Youtube over BBCR1 was the wise choice they're not gonna end up like Tyler Oakley, and meanwhile the internet takeover was mutually beneficial between D&P and BBCR1, even if listeners weren't nominally high.

Why did I ramble again I'm so sorry. The moral of the story is Deppy made some good choices and their radio shows were pretty successful in what they were hired to do, and I love what everyone has said above.

I've been in a few fandoms (I hate saying fandoms) and this is the most civil and interesting place I've seen. You're awesome.

[dontpanic]

Question for those who might know: on Danisnotonfire did Dan have his side channels listed under recommended or other channels? Right now he only has Dan and Phil games and I could have sworn it used to be different.

No he didn't have his side channelor other channels there

I noticed this too, it's kinda funny isn't it? plus Dan's one of the only # 'tubers I've seen who doesn't promote other youtubers' channel in the sidebar. even Phil lists a heckton like Louise, PJ, and Smosh and Dan obvi, and PJ's one who lists Dan as well. Gosh Dan doesn't even promo for promo, he so fails as an OG Tumblr user
I wonder why this is tho

[secretagentphan]

Question for those who might know: on Danisnotonfire did Dan have his side channels listed under recommended or other channels? Right now he only has Dan and Phil games and I could have sworn it used to be different.

No he didn't have his side channelor other channels there

I noticed this too, it's kinda funny isn't it? plus Dan's one of the only # 'tubers I've seen who doesn't promote other youtubers' channel in the sidebar. even Phil lists a heckton like Louise, PJ, and Smosh and Dan obvi, and PJ's one who lists Dan as well. Gosh Dan doesn't even promo for promo, he so fails as an OG Tumblr user
I wonder why this is tho

I'm guessing it's because stuff like that gets too messy. Stuff like "you included them but not me?" And feeling obligated to promote someone just because you promoted someone else. I see u Dan
[offtopic]I'm reading a handmaid's tale and it's amazing if anyone wants to discuss it with me like a nerd. I feel like the message is right up Dan's alleyway lol[/offtopic]

[Catallena]

The Internet Takeover was kind of a flop, nobody was here for it except for the times D&P were on. Considering it was Deppy's first original show concept (the Sunday shows were just as pimped up request show after all), I'm not sure whether that has reflected well on them.

But I'd looooove for D&P to do occasional radio documentaries and specials like they used to do. It'd be less time consuming than a regular show and I really enjoyed the ones they did. Especially the Happiness one which gave us this softness:

and this hilarious mess:

I think it was a flop because people were there for Dan and Phil who simply were not on. You can't convince me the request show coasted only on being the request show. Them opening the doors was a part of a conscious effort on BBC's side to make Radio One popular with the 14-18 and 18-24 demo. That's the reason why you now have Nick Grimshaw in the mornings rather than Chris Moyles, even if the latter pulled better numbers - Nick performs better in the target demo. So since Dan and Phil consistently, by themselves pull nice numbers and simply don't deliver when paired with others, it would make sense for the Beebs to try and get them back to their original set up rather than bet on wildcards who don't come with built in audience.

I know all that, what I was saying that in the previous show D&P only created a format around the already existing request show so they had a solid base to work with. With The Internet Takeover they had no base, they created the entire concept of a show for the first time making any success or failure their direct responsibility than when they were just hosts with some original segments. And it probably didn't work out as well as D&P and the BBC had hoped. I also imagine that the show was expensive to make. It was filmed, internationally streamed, all episodes except D&P's had to be pre-recorded and some of the more famous hosts like Zoella, Tyler, Felix etc. probably asked for a good sum of money to appear. All of that can't have reflected well on D&P, no matter how much BBCR1 does love them and the audience they pull in. I also wonder how much impact the phandom actually had on R1's demographic. Teens flocking to R1 for one or two hours a week/month is great, but if they never stick with the station after it's over and don't tune in any other time it might not be worth it.

Because they did initially talk about only a hiatus and didn't start pulling strange faces at mention of the show until summer, I suspect that between that time their contracts were up and that negotiations didn't go well so ultimately they parted ways. That would make a regular show impossible, but they did specials before they had a regular show and contract so I really do hope it is not the end of their radio days. It's still my second favorite thing they've done, right behind DAPG

This is not true, I'm afraid. As I stated above, the Internet Takeover wasn't unpopular because it was a bad idea, it was unpopular because it didn't have Dan and Phil. The Request Show was flopping long before they came along, they weren't coasting on built in audiences. A quick search of the R1 facebook will show you that Jameela's version got about 100 requests on average in the swing of things (sometimes as low as 50, sometimes as high as 140). Dan and Phil got over 500, consistently. Therefore people aren't there because it's the request show, they are there because Dan and Phil are on. This is also why it was called the Dan and Phil Show, during their time it was barely the request show. Combine this with the supposed low listenership to hosts other than them on the Takeover and you get a situation similar to what Top Gear is going trough at the moment: same format absolutely tanking in ratings with different hosts.

This is such an interesting conversation! I'm sorry, I stay both on topic but also stray at parts.

I'm pretty confident the show didn't do as bad as we seem to make it out to be. We can't forget they hosted a radio show on Monday nights from 9 to 10pm (?). Drive time ends at around 7pm; by 9pm most people are not going to be tuning into the radio, even if Justin Beiber himself decided to host a show. It's no question the BBC wanted a show that could engage younger audiences and increase listenership, but they wouldn't expect a HUGE increase, as they prob didn't expect to convert a whole lot of young listeners who tune in for D&P into regular BBCR1 listeners, they just wanted to up their younger numbers in general even if it means only in that timespot or things like Brit awards livestream. The Dan & Phil Show was very sucessful, moreso than Internet Takeover, but that doesn't make it unsucessful.

I boringly elaborate under the spoiler can you tell I over-analyze things?

The Internet Takeover let them keep a regular if infrequent schedule with the BBC, and it still brought in an audience BBCR1 rarely saw in a very unpopular timeslot. Deppy got some of the biggest youtubers with active fanbases who would tune in. Regular (aka older) BBCR1 listeners won't tune in at 9pm, so even though other youtubers didn't get the numbers deppy did they didn't do lower than a career radio host with no built in viewership. And Deppy's smart because, for example, Zoella mentioned Deppy a number of times while hosting--That's free promo for Deppy without them having to do much. & Internet Takeover didn't end because it wasn't turning listeners of their show into listeners of BBCR1 in general, it ended because Dan and Phil were going on their world tour keeping them away from London for months.
Them joining BBC was groundbreaking and gave them a lot of opportunities, but it didn't greatly increase their viewership. They got more name recognition in the 2-ish years of the Dan & Phil Show, but it wouldn't lead to anything bigger. It'd be awesome if they could do more with the BBC (more like puppy video please!) but they wouldn't be offered much more than the number of social media-specific (aka small) things (the internet stream of the brit awards, stuff like that).
And we're talking about Dan here. Phil would have probs been fine, but writing the book and planning the show ON TOP of doing the straight up Dan & Phil Show would likely be too overwhelming for Dan, Takeover lightened the load a lot.

Speculative claim: other internet stars wouldn't do much better than the college radio show on now, but they didn't do worse when on Internet Takeover and weren't as floppy as it's sometimes thought. And it's interesting/important to note, the internet takeover started at the end of 2014 right when they decided to write the book. The book, tour, and movie gave them more publicity in their most successful sphere of influence, youtube.

Youtube wanting to promote YR means they'll publicize Deppy more + Deppy earns more money off videos than from the BBC+physical book(s, meet&greets (the subtile yet important factor) and movie(s) makes audiences feel more engaged + subscribers even more invested,vocal (aka free promo), and active + their increased popularity and name-recognition on the whole keeps them relevant longer (important now that they're getting older) = more opprotunities for cool things. All this will help their relevance last longer than BBCR1 would have.

Examples:

look at how prominantly Deppy featured in Rewind. Sure Deppy has a very VERY engaged fanbase compared to their peers, but that prob wasn't the only reason they essentiallyopened for Rewind AND featured in the thumbnail AND the teaser trailerwhy did the rock open i don't unDERSTAND. Also, Deps were the only ones at the awkward James Corden thing who weren't the midlevel popular youtubers actually in the campaign

Without everything they did last year there's a chance they would be on the downfall rather than an upswing like they are. Focusing on Youtube over BBCR1 was the wise choice they're not gonna end up like Tyler Oakley, and meanwhile the internet takeover was mutually beneficial between D&P and BBCR1, even if listeners weren't nominally high.

Why did I ramble again I'm so sorry. The moral of the story is Deppy made some good choices and their radio shows were pretty successful in what they were hired to do, and I love what everyone has said above.

I've been in a few fandoms (I hate saying fandoms) and this is the most civil and interesting place I've seen. You're awesome.

Overanalyzing is half fun of this forum, never stop

I'm pretty confident the show didn't do as bad as we seem to make it out to be.

But it's my only chance to use OTT Twitter stan vocabulary for when the artist they don't like sells one album less than the artist they do like, let me live yo :')

I wouldn't call what they did in 2016 'focusing on YouTube' because they were literally everywhere this year aside from their channelsm nor do I think TABINOF/TATINOF will be super beneficial to them in the long run. Like it's an amazing project to have done but that's it. It attracted almost no new viewers to their videos because no one unfamiliar with them would be able to read/watch their stuff so they didn't grow as much as some of their peers and The Big Drought Of 2016 during the US tour did more harm than good for audience engagement (yes I am still bitter about their glorified scrapbook fight me) and casual viewers (still the majority) don't gave a fuck. On top of that I found YouTube Red's promo for them to be quite weak, it was probably originally planned to be this big thing and be released when YTR dropped in the UK but that didn't happen. The billboard was cool tho.

I don't see the supposed opportunities that YouTube gives them counting for anything good either. Their oddly prominent role in Rewind was cool, but it's a video that generates a lot of views in a short amount of time and then a month later nobody cares anymore about the video or the people in it. For the Brand Cast thing they were paraded around without getting anything in return, it was nothing but YouTube using their already established stars to make themselves look good. It didn't benefit them at all and Dan was rightly mad about it. And now that the buzz about TABINOF and the doc is over, YouTube isn't gonna do more. It's not in their interest to do so, the attention span of the internet is some serious golden retriever syndrome shit and soon they're gonna have new originals to push anyway.

I'm under no illusion that their BBCR1 jobs made big waves in their sub count, but it is one of the largest media companies in the world and association with it is pretty much always good. Their YouTube and social media relevance is gonna fade someday just like the website itself, and I like to think the BBC has a little more staying power than that. I don't doubt that they'll be fine when the YouTube chapter ends for them, but I'd hold the door to the BBC wide open anyway if they can.

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I wish we had the viewing ratings for both the Dan and Phil show and the internet taker over (and the ratings of the shows they proceeded/succeeded for comparison) as that would be very interesting and also answer the question of just how successful either show was for the BBC.

I'm fairly sure the RAJAR who record the ratings have the individual for ratings for every show but you need a company membership to view them and the press only report on the main daily shows so we can't access that information sadly even though it exists.

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[offtopic]dan already met the physic twins!

outdated joke I'm sorry

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[offtopic]dan already met the physic twins!

outdated joke I'm sorry

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[offtopic]I literally cackled oh my god[/offtopic]

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[offtopic]I'm reading a handmaid's tale and it's amazing if anyone wants to discuss it with me like a nerd. I feel like the message is right up Dan's alleyway lol[/offtopic][/quote]

I did that text a while ago and would love to discuss it! Honestly I'm a bit tired of Dan talking about his music choices during liveshows and honestly coming across as quite patronising about it sometimes - I wish he would talk about the books he likes etc instead because I'm sure he has a list of those too. But that's just me I guess and my music taste is far from his so maybe that's why I tend to skip over those bits. I think he mentioned once that he's a Romantic which would have been interesting if he talked more about that - and I think he also said he liked Camus which please tell me more! Having said that, I guess he also thinks about what his target audience wants to hear (I think he moved past these topics quickly because he thought people couldn't relate/didn't care?) - but then again, I feel like he sometimes also underestimates his audience and thinks that they're younger than they are/less interested in things besides the usual music stuff. Does anyone else feel that Dan sometimes "talks down" to his audience in LS? Just my two cents worth though!

[lurkin]

Does anyone else feel that Dan sometimes "talks down" to his audience in LS? Just my two cents worth though!

I feel the same but understand why he does. The chat on his LS can be atrocious at some points, being flooded with gross reminders of the "old brand" and generally irrelevant and annoying things. It's been that way since he started doing livestreams back in the day, and it has only gotten worse since his audience (and number of younger viewers) who haven't gotten past the cringe stage of being a fan.

It really sounds like I'm hating on younger viewers. But I'm really not; I've been there, and it took me a long time to dig myself out of that llamaplancenta hole that I was in for the entirety of 2012. I'm sure many of the other people who do these annoying things will too in time.

Does it excuse Dan for being kind of rude? No, not really, but I understand his frustrations and how he deals with them.

tl;dr If I was Dan, I'd kinda get frustrated with the vocal people during the LS, too if I had to deal with that chat for 5 years.

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Marcus stalks Dan's instagram from 3.43. Not that much of interest to note (I find Marcus boring anyway but he does say one of his pictures is raunchy cause he's biting his lip )

I watched this and I couldn't help but feel very irritated at Marcus' comment "Are you triggered phandom? ooo...triggered. I like teasing the phandom." (4:43) I don't know, it might be the cheeky way he says it that bugs me, but that's not a very nice thing to say to a persons entire fanbase. It reminds of Dan calling out Onion boy about using deppy's following for clicks on a video:
"I feel like they're using you to get attention and money for themselves."
Maybe I'm overreacting but I can't imagine Dan or Phil being happy about someone with a large following (like Marcus) stating blatantly that he likes "teasing" the phandom. I know teasing is supposed to be harmless and playful, but Marcus has definitely included Dan or Phil in thumbnails to attract the phandom views.
Heres a list of the one's I could find:
(I know these are over a few years, but just shows that Marcus definitely has used deppy to get clicks by putting them into thumbnails).

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oov2VKXGip8
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gand9gtNm6Q
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPaxRPghvig
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySAZ3ChfrQ
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48xCq26FeFE
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI8uUsvSyH0
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toif5ry-grk

I mean- how many times have you seen Dan or Phil put Marcus Butler (or any other youtuber) in their thumbnail, for a video other than a collab, to get views? Not often (if ever). Anyway, just an observation I made/vibe I got from Marcus' comment that I thought I'd share. It could just be because I'm not a big fan of Marcus. Can't wait for Phils liveshow on Thursday though!

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squishydanny I completely agree, especially as I find 'triggered' jokes to be really cheap/nasty and a way of belittling mentally ill people with real triggers. I think this is exactly what dan was talking about in that liveshow, it's Marcus attempting to get (and succeeding at getting) a rise out of the phandom, and it's done in a pretty disrespectful way. But then again, I've thought Marcus was total trash ever since he made that awful racist joke on snapchat last year, so I probably shouldn't be surprised

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Marcus stalks Dan's instagram from 3.43. Not that much of interest to note (I find Marcus boring anyway but he does say one of his pictures is raunchy cause he's biting his lip )

I watched this and I couldn't help but feel very irritated at Marcus' comment "Are you triggered phandom? ooo...triggered. I like teasing the phandom." (4:43) I don't know, it might be the cheeky way he says it that bugs me, but that's not a very nice thing to say to a persons entire fanbase. It reminds of Dan calling out Onion boy about using deppy's following for clicks on a video:

"I feel like they're using you to get attention and money for themselves."
Maybe I'm overreacting but I can't imagine Dan or Phil being happy about someone with a large following (like Marcus) stating blatantly that he likes "teasing" the phandom. I know teasing is supposed to be harmless and playful, but Marcus has definitely included Dan or Phil in thumbnails to attract the phandom views.
Heres a list of the one's I could find:

(I know these are over a few years, but just shows that Marcus definitely has used deppy to get clicks by putting them into thumbnails).

• https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oov2VKXGip8
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gand9gtNm6Q
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPaxRPghvig
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ySAZ3ChfrQ
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48xCq26FeFE
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI8uUsvSyH0
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Toif5ry-grk

I mean- how many times have you seen Dan or Phil put Marcus Butler (or any other youtuber) in their thumbnail, for a video other than a collab, to get views? Not often (if ever). Anyway, just an observation I made/vibe I got from Marcus' comment that I thought I'd share. It could just be because I'm not a big fan of Marcus. Can't wait for Phils liveshow on Thursday though!

That's an interesting observation, especially since Marcus had phil in his thumbnail just last week. I'm not too surprised this keeps happening, with Marcus or otherwise--it seems like Deppy's the go-to power-duo to exploit when you want to up your viewcount. I guess everyone's got tired of putting felix in their thumbnails.

Instead of working I looked at their channels, and you're so right I couldn't find ANY video with another youtuber in the thumbnail, excluding collabs (Phil does, however, include cute animals to up that sweet, sweet viewcount ). D&P don't make click-baity titles either; they use actual relevant descriptions in stark contrast to a lot of youtubers with similar genres (perf example, the title and thumbnail of Casper Lee's "living with HIV" video). I honestly respect Deppy a lot because of this.

Deciding to procrastinate even more, I looked through D&P's viewcounts and took some notes, which I've hidden under the spoiler

It's been 2 years since Dan had a video with less than 2 million views. Phil's only had 2 videos with less than 1 million views in the past 4 years (all excluding TATINOF spon). To contrast, about half of Marcus's videos this past year have under 1 million views; 11 have less than 500 thousand.
Dan only has 5 videos with less than 1 million views: 3 of them TATINOF spon and the other 2 from 6 years ago. Phil has 4 videos with less than 1 million views in the past 4 years: 2 of them TATINOF spon.
Marcus had 5 videos in the past year with over 2 million views.

Interestingly enough, even Phil's #spons get more views than some of Marcus's videos, and Marcus has 800 thousand more subscribers. In a lot of cases Dan, and often Phil, get as many or more views than those with over 7 million subscribers, so it makes sense to name drop them (even if it is slimy).
[offtopic]Marcus posts about once a week while phil posts between once and twice a month. Do you think Marcus or Phil benefits more from their posting schedules (in regards to view counts, not money)?
and apparently dan's expensive fashion taste is well-known, Marcus noticed dan's $1,500 shoes.[/offtopic]
wow I need to find my chill I've posted so much this week.