Daniel & Phil Part 44: This isn't a forever home

[sans]

With all of this focus on rebranding, I've noticed how much Phil hasn't changed. He has the same sheets from 2008, the same hair but just shorter, the same profile picture. He's gotten rid of some old things, but it's mostly the same.

Maybe this is because Phil started making videos when he was 19-20? (i dont know for sure dont kill me) And Dan started when he was 16-17, so the changes are way more noticeable on Dan I guess.

About the phandom age debate thingie: I think it's just young people being young. As many mentioned before, when you are 15, you have the idea that someone who's 25+ is supposed to act a certain way and like certain things. But what I find quite funny is that, for me, it's weirder for a 15 year old to be lusting after a 30 year old like Phil

I expect the age gap to get wider as time passes too.

noooo top of the page dont look at me

[llion]

(thanks shoe for pointing me to the emoticon thread!)

Btw, I don't think AmazingPhil is that cringy or juvenile at all. It's just him, I think it still fits him quite well and I agree that being 30 doesn't mean he needs to "act his age" now. Phil hasn't outgrown his older content as much as Dan(iel) has so I personally don't see a reason for him to rebrand at this point. Maybe he will though, if it's what he wants, he'll let us know soon enough.

agreed. to add to this, his "brand" was solidified at a much older age than dan as well. phil had time to reflect on how he presented himself for a lot longer than dan did. "amazingphil" is what i perceive to be the best part of phil, the happy giddy optimistic side. i don't think he's outgrown it because it's not something to outgrow. it's loose and changeable enough for it to just grow with him, and i like that. i hope people don't bother him too much about this now that dan's done it, however much i joke about them being attached at the hip, they are separate people and can't do everything together. phil seems content with where he is right now.

i'm in the middle of the age debate (almost 19) and i feel both sides. i deeply remember being 14 and wondering about the older parts of the fandoms i followed, but it was more curiosity for me and less hate. i've also been told i've always been a tiny adult, so maybe i just identified with older viewers more anyway. i also know now that we're really not that different at all, and the trajectory of my life is not currently pointed at dropping all of my interests. i think what people don't get is that this is what old people are going to do now. you always hear your parents talking about the good old days, and that's what this is! i for one appreciate more mature discussion and viewpoints, so i really do identify with the "old" side of the fandom i guess. you guys are great!

[sugar]

i have some thoughts on the age conversation:

i'm only 22 (turning 23 tomorrow ) but in my primary fandom i've encountered a lot of negativity for being active in the community at my "advanced age" basically, i get the impression that a lot of teenagers expect that once you turn 20, you stop consuming media. i actually had a 14 year old tell me i am too old to listen to my favorite band. a band that is broken up and formed when i was in the second grade. at this point, i just find it hilarious. to a 14 year old i guess 22 is pretty old but i still feel like a child most days.

my experience in the phan(iel)dom is a bit different, though. i follow a number of popular phan blogs and i've noticed that there are a number of people 18+ and even in their mid twenties that interact with the younger bloggers and there don't seem to be any qualms about that. i haven't seen the 'older' bloggers get any negativity about their age. this made me think that maybe the phandom is more accepting of adults in the community. but after reading all of this i guess it's not the case. i will say that i think twitter fandoms can be a bit more aggressive so maybe the agism thing is more prevalent there?

also, though, i've gotten a lot of shit from my friends for being into at my age. and it always confuses me. a lot of people will be like 'mackenzie it's 2017 and you're 22' about this recent obsession. and i really don't get it. i have never felt like dan and phil make content that is intended for a young audience. i know that their audience is a lot of young people but i don't really feel that they cater their videos to them, especially dan. does anyone else have feelings on this? i just don't see anything about their content that indicates that i'm too old to enjoy it, especially when they're both older than i am.

[DatCog]

Okay, a bit off-topic to the age discussion, but still.
So with all this duplex/pigeon/garden/the neighbour situation, a thought crossed my mind and not sure that anyone mentioned it before. Could it be that the new house is literally a duplex house with a proper garden, etc, and they occupy 1/2 of it?
Also, was it stated that they are still in London, not in some Brighton or in any more private place?

They definitely said in their moving video that they were staying in London. Being a big fan of wasting time on property web sites, I've seen a few multi-level apartments that have large balcony areas. Duplex in the UK seems to mainly mean multi-level, self-contained flats...sometimes they're also called maisonettes but these tend to have their own external front doors.

Dan is now @danielhowell apparently!

[flarequake]

On the age discussion, I went to show my mum's friend one of their videos a few years ago to cheer her up and found out she'd been watching them since Dan started, and she's 70. They're nice cute boys and when the men in her family are watching something she doesn't like on tv, "they're better than drag racing".

[realeyesrealize]

[malday]

Okay, a bit off-topic to the age discussion, but still.
So with all this duplex/pigeon/garden/the neighbour situation, a thought crossed my mind and not sure that anyone mentioned it before. Could it be that the new house is literally a duplex house with a proper garden, etc, and they occupy 1/2 of it?
Also, was it stated that they are still in London, not in some Brighton or in any more private place?

Yes they said in the ls they are still in London, and when they said it's an apartment with stairs that's why they call it a "duplex".

[offtopic]about the age thing, its normal for teens to be judgemental and dramatic stop giving it so much attention. just enjoy what you enjoy and stop worrying, everybody becomes worm food sooner or later[/offtopic]

[llion]

THERE IT IS

[willowgarden]

I also don't think that Phil should have any compulsion to change his name over completely, nor do I really think he will. I rambled at more length about it on tumblr so I'll be concise here: Phil doesn't have nearly the hangups that Dan does over being associated with his older username, because I don't think it's nearly as personal to Phil as it is to Dan.

Dan may feel that he is no longer not on fire, but Phil will always know he is fucking amazing.

[buffy]

I’m really interested in how Dan’s changes are going to affect Phil (in a Youtube way, not in their personal lives). I don’t think Phil should have to change things that he’s currently happy with, like his Ikea bedding, or getting a new hairstyle, or getting rid of the “AmazingPhil” username. However, I’m not sure if Phil seeming to be more stagnant than Dan isn’t going to have a negative effect on him. If Dan is leaving behind things that made both of them iconic (the emo fringe, the Ikea bedsheets, the random references) and casting aspersions on those things in his videos and live shows, where does that leave Phil if he holds onto those things? Dan’s changes have been met with mostly positive reactions, so I wonder if Phil is either going to be forced to evolve to keep up or if he’ll be met with either negativity or boredom if he doesn't make any changes. I would love for him to make some upgrades and get the same praise and attention as Dan, but it doesn’t seem like he’s ready or willing to take that on at this point in time.

[Strangebread]

also, though, i've gotten a lot of shit from my friends for being into at my age. and it always confuses me. a lot of people will be like 'mackenzie it's 2017 and you're 22' about this recent obsession. and i really don't get it. i have never felt like dan and phil make content that is intended for a young audience. i know that their audience is a lot of young people but i don't really feel that they cater their videos to them, especially dan. does anyone else have feelings on this? i just don't see anything about their content that indicates that i'm too old to enjoy it, especially when they're both older than i am.

I agree. I don't feel like their stuff is particularly aimed at a younger audience, but they definitely attract them (I don't really know why despite watching them from the age of 13). I feel like a lot of the age discourse is because society puts pressure on the idea that when you grow up your tastes change and you should be no longer into the stuff you used to be interested in, despite the fact foe a lot of people that just isn't true. I also think lot of people know D+P attract a young audience and thus view it as immature (despite never watching their stuff). Even if D+P were about unicorns and rainbows and it was like kids cartoons is it really so bad for adults to enjoy it?I think a lot of people would think that's wrong because society expects you to be a miserable old boring person. I also suspect there is an element of people finding it creepy to be into what younger people are interested in, almost like you are going to be hanging around young kids all the time corrupting them with our evil adult ways.

That's my thoughts on it, I might be wrong though.

[helvetica]

. I would love for him to make some upgrades and get the same praise and attention as Dan, but it doesn’t seem like he’s ready or willing to take that on at this point in time.

what if he rebranded as Philip Lester- from the duo Philip and Daniel, with a ginger quiff and silk bedsheets

[Lucet]

Well, I'm exactly 2 weeks younger than Daniel, with a career and stuff. I watch their videos and I have friends who are the same age or older than me who do too. It's my guilty pleasure, so if somebody doesn't like it, oh well then it's none of my business

As for a new name - I like 'Daniel Howell'. I don't usually like shortened names and nicknames, so this new branding is cool with me.

[lurker]

dan is @danielhowell on twitter now -- am i imagining things or was that username taken by some random inactive person until yesterday? if yes, dan is officially not #relatable anymore to me, a person with uncool usernames on all platforms because the one i want is always taken.

i have nothing much to add to the current age discussion, but i've enjoyed reading your posts. i remind myself from time to time that it's perfectly fine to stan two people who are actually still a tidbit older than me, even if i probably have 10 years on their average audience. but i still don't bring up deppy in random conversations or ask my ~peers~ if they happen to watch them too, as i might with shows or movies.

i'm finding that i've gotten used to daniel already. i think it's nice that he now has the option to go by either dan or daniel, as it's fairly obvious that dan howell and daniel howell are the same person. i agree with the sentiment that "amazingphil" is a different sort of username than "danisnotonfire" -- it's probably so oldschool that it's sort of timeless! whereas dinof, however much i like that username, has a more ~edgy~ ring to it. did dan ever mention it being an alexisonfire reference though? just wondering, if it was that could also have made it the list, but it didn't.

[quote="shoe"][quote="auri"]what's the gender neutral version for dangirl/danboy?[/quote]
dantrash?[/quote]
i randomly remembered this earlier, and wanted to very belatedly suggest "danstan". or "staniel".

[buffy]

. I would love for him to make some upgrades and get the same praise and attention as Dan, but it doesn’t seem like he’s ready or willing to take that on at this point in time.

what if he rebranded as Philip Lester- from the duo Philip and Daniel, with a ginger quiff and silk bedsheets

Baby steps- a black quiff would be great. Or any other more flattering hairstyle.

#freetheforehead

[sugar]

dan is @danielhowell on twitter now -- am i imagining things or was that username taken by some random inactive person until yesterday? [/size]

i believe he's had it saved for a number of years for this exact purpose

[lurker]

dan is @danielhowell on twitter now -- am i imagining things or was that username taken by some random inactive person until yesterday? [/size]

i believe he's had it saved for a number of years for this exact purpose

okay, i thought he had the @danhowell saved, but @danielhowell was an account with a single tweet yesterday. :wtf: might be that i checked the wrong url though, it was late.

[pastelspectre]

oooo an age discussion. this is interesting. okay, so i'm 19. i turn 20 in november. i'm not really..like an "adult"? whatever you define as an adult at least. i'm unemployed, struggling to get into college, and i have an influx (sort of?) of mental issues/illnesses and other stuff. i don't act like a 19 year old really at all. i've been into deppy since i was about 14 or 15. i was very much into them and their videos and whatever their relationship was. then i had a sort of..falling out with deppy, and a few years later..in october of 2016 i got back into them and fell into the trash can again. my best friend, who is 15, liked dan and phil a lot when she was about 11 or 12? bc we have a four year age difference, and then she fell out of the obsession with them and never got back into them, but respects and understands my obsession with deppy again now and doesn't give me any flack for liking them.

however i have had some people on facebook unfriend me or judge me just because i like deppy, not even for my age, but purely because i like them and they don't like them. idk. i'm not good at rants so im sorry if im all over the place. i guess my point is.. i'm 19 and i still like deppy a lot. i dont really "act like an adult". i still like a lot of kids shows and still collect kids toys like littlest pet shop, things like that. (theres probably a reason for that but thats for another time). i feel a bit..old compared to all other members that are in the phandom. i do have some, well, a lot of younger phandom members following me that i also follow. i don't get any flack from them for being "old" and liking them. i also have some younger deppy fans of mine on my facebook as well, and some of them are.. sadly to say it, cringe, but some of them can actually be mature for their age. so..yeah. i dunno.

the phandom has a wide variety of people in age it seems. i'm not good at rants/whatever this is. sorry if this was just a big post of..nothing all over the place.

[auri]

[quote="shoe"][quote="auri"]what's the gender neutral version for dangirl/danboy?

dantrash?[/quote]
i randomly remembered this earlier, and wanted to very belatedly suggest "danstan". or "staniel".[/size][/quote] oh my godd, i'm gonna go with staniel, because the whole day I've had stuck in my head the scene from PINOF6 where Phil goes "hey dan, i bought you a spaniel" but with "hey DANIEL, i bought you a SPANIEL"

Anyway, which time Dan usually starts his liveshows? At nine (London time)? Is there even gonna be one tonight?

[saffarinda]

As someone who probably qualifies for the younger side of the phandom, I can't really relate - but a majority of other phandom related accounts I follow are usually people older than me, because I prefer the more mature, conversation and debate oriented style (which is why I'm enjoying it here on IDB ). I can't deal with the people who spam the comments section with "soft and neat" or any of the other danandphilcrafts memes, and loathe any stereotypical perspectives they put on Dan and Phil (that are formed from their brands personalites).

Another element I'd like to bring up regarding Phil's age is how people assume that because Phil is 30 and moving with Dan it's phan proof, because no 30 year old would EVER still be single and stay with their friend. I mean, I love shipping phan, and find the theories interesting - but the way it low-key pushes societal expectations regarding marriage and relationships upon Phil really grates on me (along with the way people were so shocked by the fact that Phil was turning 30 and were like "nO!1!1!!" - his personality won't change over the course of one day, the difference between 29 and 30 isn't as great as it seems).

[onetruetrash]

Does anyone know if there's gonna be a liveshow today?

[mildcactus]

unlurking for age topic!

i'm 26 and have a, IRL phandom friend a few years older (we met through the furry fandom however [yes i know]), and we've both been long time fans. I have the more active interest of the two of us but we both love discussing deppy content when we occasionally meet. I've never really experienced the young horde of the phandom as I don't engage on twitter or tumblr (only here where the discussion/bants is top quality and there seem to be plenty other adults whose thoughts and contributions i love to read), but we went to the very first TATINOF in Glasgow and despite enjoying the show i felt incredibly uncomfortable in that audience, the screaming and catcalling wee kiddos made me cringe the entire time. We were very much out of place being two adults with no accompanying children and it made me feel like a creepy old lady despite being deppy's age! I feel like the young, intense presence of the phandom really hinders my ability to share this interest with any of my peers besides this one friend, which is a shame.

[DatCog]

Does anyone know if there's gonna be a liveshow today?

He should be on in 4 minutes with a bit of luck

[onetruetrash]

Does anyone know if there's gonna be a liveshow today?

He should be on in 4 minutes with a bit of luck

Thanks!

[starsandshards]

all i know is, i'm well old by phandom standards, despite being born in the same year as phil. huzzah. this fandom age argument happens in all fandoms, though - kind of comforting to know it always will...?

edit: i hate younow! it lags so damn much i can't watch a thing.