Overall, really liked the documentary. But the #busgate nohomo thing is really getting to me. They know full well what they're doing in regards to shipbaiting and if they're not a legitimate couple, I'm hopping on the respect lost train. Just when I thought they were starting to abandon nohomo land... And tbh it kinda weirds me out how forced a lot of the platonic stuff is. Just stop with it already... please.
at the top of the page once again...
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Oh Phil, there was never a better king of the universe.
Spoiler free documentary reaction: It was exactly what I would expect from a behind the scenes documentary for a stage show done by a professional production company. In terms of what it set out to be, it succeeded. I enjoyed seeing what all went into the parts that made the show happen. The bits they filmed of each other were fond and pleasant, but minimal; this is definitely a 'behind the scenes' not a 'day in the life.' But I'm fine with that. I won't be rewatching it obsessively, but I'm not gonna hate on them because they made exactly what they said they were making and that didn't happen to line up with exactly what I wanted.
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option. Sharing a bed would have sparked a much huger conversation with more shock value and raised more eyebrows than the current one we're having. We're angry but we've been through this before and most of us come out on the other side still invested and still here. We know that, they know that. (Yeah, some people might flounce out of anger, but most of us won't.) This was the safe option for them.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience. Livestreams are twenty thousand people, the youtube channel is millions. Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
alittledizzy wrote:Spoiler free documentary reaction: It was exactly what I would expect from a behind the scenes documentary for a stage show done by a professional production company. In terms of what it set out to be, it succeeded. I enjoyed seeing what all went into the parts that made the show happen. The bits they filmed of each other were fond and pleasant, but minimal; this is definitely a 'behind the scenes' not a 'day in the life.' But I'm fine with that. I won't be rewatching it obsessively, but I'm not gonna hate on them because they made exactly what they said they were making and that didn't happen to line up with exactly what I wanted.
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience.
Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
You have a point. Plus, they (Dan especially) have been vocal about Youtube relationships, and how if a couple can break up it can be incredibly cringey for both parties.
Also - The tour and book is a summary of the last 7 years, where deppy have been known as platonic bros (for the most part. I'm saying this because they are not confirmed as being together) Taking in the fact that they are re-branding, this could have been the last #nohomo jaunt. Who knows what the new branding will bring?
Wholesome doggo shitposting through life.
You may also call me Gal!
it is strong in the documentary. i believe it doesn't matter in the case of the actual show cause it's an actual production and scripted&rehearsed to hell and back. if i were you i'd only pay for tatinof and not the docu (AND I DID VICE VERSA BTW LOL)
the thing is, if they're actively no homoing hard (or you know just plain aren't together) then I do consider the way they've been playing into phan shipbaiting and that in turn sours me to them personally and then I also don't want to pay to watch their show even if that doesn't feature the no homo
i somewhat agree with you.
i'm actually one of those weird anti-phans who don't believe they're a couple (but would be thrilled if they were). so i was expecting some kind of an explation in the docu, like "we decided to do the fanfiction but to give credit to all those amazing authors on the internet and appreciate the creative writing, but btw we are not actually dating, we just wanted to acknowledge that cause it's a big part of our branding blahblah". AND THEY NEVER DID FUCKING ADDRESS IT. i know the show & thereby the docu are aimed MOSTLY at teenagers and children, but jeez... this is your chance to address it in a NON-dyi-youtube video which i know can be quite frightening to do (all the potential "you were queerbating" comments... which wouldnt be wrong btw).
so i would just embrace that they're not together and go with the "we are appreciating the hard work of ff writers and doing a homage..." and buy it. or fuck it, just pirate it, i would do THAT if someone shared it with me
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alittledizzy wrote:
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option. Sharing a bed would have sparked a much huger conversation with more shock value and raised more eyebrows than the current one we're having. We're angry but we've been through this before and most of us come out on the other side still invested and still here. We know that, they know that. (Yeah, some people might flounce out of anger, but most of us won't.) This was the safe option for them.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience.
Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
Do you never question if maybe they're not actually together though, rather than closeted? I very rarely used to but this has hit me like a brick.
Not the bus situation, but the hotel room thing. What's your take on them having separate hotel rooms? Do you think that was fake and if so why did they bother to include it? And if it wasn't fake, how does that stack up to them being together irl? (I'm not ranting at you, I'm low-key hoping you can talk me out of this hole )
Completely agree the trailer was dirty - even though I liked the doc, I felt like I'd already seen the best bits, and that was no co-incidence. Actually, not just the best bits, but basically the only bits like that.
Then I remembered them emphasising when it was announced that it was a proper 'making of' rather than a DITL - a line I noticed they were very quiet on in the actual lead up to release (with Dan even tweeting about 'domestic bus antics', of which there were basically none)
I wonder how biology can explain the physical pain you feel in your chest when all you want to do is talk shit on IDB
Why I don't think the Doc or Australia DITL were No-Homo
by Philena
1. They were touring with multiple people who were, presumably, unaware of the true natue of their relationship (just like the rest of us)
2. Everyone on tour, also presumably, had their own room (the merch girls did several times). Makes it easier just to assume that one person=one room
3. Dan and Phil have separate rooms in their own house, for god's sake. Maybe they sleep together, maybe they don't. Doesn't really matter.
4. Did you really expect anything else?!
5. Does it really matter?
6. Showing separate sleeping arrangements is not saying No-Homo. Period. They might be a couple. They might not, but I just don't buy that as a no-homo inclusion
7. Maybe I'm completely wrong! Certainly wouldn't be the first time. I just don't like the idea of who Dan and Phil really might be if I were to consider the alternative.
Throughout the documentary deppy seemed so happy with their life and each other. Their speech patterns and body movements and jokes and reactions were all so perfectly synchronized and harmonious that I was left feeling content and happily sated. I love watching them together. I love seeing what they create together. That is what is important to me. I enjoyed the documentary and felt like it was produced in a way that was true to them and their style.
Only one real complaint: What about the merch team?!
alittledizzy wrote:Spoiler free documentary reaction: It was exactly what I would expect from a behind the scenes documentary for a stage show done by a professional production company. In terms of what it set out to be, it succeeded. I enjoyed seeing what all went into the parts that made the show happen. The bits they filmed of each other were fond and pleasant, but minimal; this is definitely a 'behind the scenes' not a 'day in the life.' But I'm fine with that. I won't be rewatching it obsessively, but I'm not gonna hate on them because they made exactly what they said they were making and that didn't happen to line up with exactly what I wanted.
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option. Sharing a bed would have sparked a much huger conversation with more shock value and raised more eyebrows than the current one we're having. We're angry but we've been through this before and most of us come out on the other side still invested and still here. We know that, they know that. (Yeah, some people might flounce out of anger, but most of us won't.) This was the safe option for them.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience. Livestreams are twenty thousand people, the youtube channel is millions. Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
ok hang on there.
i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.
Do you never question if maybe they're not actually together though, rather than closeted? I very rarely used to but this has hit me like a brick.
Not the bus situation, but the hotel room thing. What's your take on them having separate hotel rooms? Do you think that was fake and if so why did they bother to include it? And if it wasn't fake, how does that stack up to them being together irl? (I'm not ranting at you, I'm low-key hoping you can talk me out of this hole )
No. You'll know when I do, because I won't be here anymore. The second I actually believe they've baited this hard for this long, I'm out.
The situation where they had different hotel rooms? I would point out that they showed themselves sharing the same room multiple times. Way more than they showed themselves in separate rooms. There was even one that was a setup where it was like no space between the beds.
I'm not making an argument for yes-homo or no-homo here. Just pointing out that people are focusing on the negative, and that even if there is negative there are reasons for Dan and Phil not to want to share their sleeping arrangements in consistent detail with a potential 5+ million people.
papierklemmen wrote:
ok hang on there.
i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.
I don't feel cheated because I don't have any expectation of them to divulge anything about their relationship that they aren't comfortable with. I don't feel like Dan implied there would be anything even remotely confirming or denying or even addressing their relationship in any of this, so it wasn't on my list of things to be watching for. Definitely bummed they didn't rely more on ambiguity for the bus thing, but not mad about it. In their position I'd be scared shitless of giving the audience too much information and the audience feeling entitled to that level of sharing from that point on, or what pressure would be placed upon them after that.
alittledizzy wrote:Spoiler free documentary reaction: It was exactly what I would expect from a behind the scenes documentary for a stage show done by a professional production company. In terms of what it set out to be, it succeeded. I enjoyed seeing what all went into the parts that made the show happen. The bits they filmed of each other were fond and pleasant, but minimal; this is definitely a 'behind the scenes' not a 'day in the life.' But I'm fine with that. I won't be rewatching it obsessively, but I'm not gonna hate on them because they made exactly what they said they were making and that didn't happen to line up with exactly what I wanted.
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option. Sharing a bed would have sparked a much huger conversation with more shock value and raised more eyebrows than the current one we're having. We're angry but we've been through this before and most of us come out on the other side still invested and still here. We know that, they know that. (Yeah, some people might flounce out of anger, but most of us won't.) This was the safe option for them.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience. Livestreams are twenty thousand people, the youtube channel is millions. Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
ok hang on there.
i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.
Did you catch the bit where Dan spoke about "breaking charcter" on stage? Their characters are their YT legacy. They spent the entire doc and show being true to these Dan and Phil personas which they have meticulously cultivated. It certainly wasn't the time for balls out honesty. Give it another decade, maybe?
alittledizzy wrote:Spoiler free documentary reaction: It was exactly what I would expect from a behind the scenes documentary for a stage show done by a professional production company. In terms of what it set out to be, it succeeded. I enjoyed seeing what all went into the parts that made the show happen. The bits they filmed of each other were fond and pleasant, but minimal; this is definitely a 'behind the scenes' not a 'day in the life.' But I'm fine with that. I won't be rewatching it obsessively, but I'm not gonna hate on them because they made exactly what they said they were making and that didn't happen to line up with exactly what I wanted.
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option. Sharing a bed would have sparked a much huger conversation with more shock value and raised more eyebrows than the current one we're having. We're angry but we've been through this before and most of us come out on the other side still invested and still here. We know that, they know that. (Yeah, some people might flounce out of anger, but most of us won't.) This was the safe option for them.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience. Livestreams are twenty thousand people, the youtube channel is millions. Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
ok hang on there.
i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.
I really don't understand why you thought they would either come out or make it clear they aren't a couple in this doc. In my opinion they have never hinted at that. Nor would I think it was right they do that in paid content.
Do you never question if maybe they're not actually together though, rather than closeted? I very rarely used to but this has hit me like a brick.
Not the bus situation, but the hotel room thing. What's your take on them having separate hotel rooms? Do you think that was fake and if so why did they bother to include it? And if it wasn't fake, how does that stack up to them being together irl? (I'm not ranting at you, I'm low-key hoping you can talk me out of this hole )
No. You'll know when I do, because I won't be here anymore. The second I actually believe they've baited this hard for this long, I'm out.
The situation where they had different hotel rooms? I would point out that they showed themselves sharing the same room multiple times. Way more than they showed themselves in separate rooms. There was even one that was a setup where it was like no space between the beds.
I'm not making an argument for yes-homo or no-homo here. Just pointing out that people are focusing on the negative, and that even if there is negative there are reasons for Dan and Phil not to want to share their sleeping arrangements in consistent detail with a potential 5+ million people.
All the for you, dizzy! I completely agree with your entire post, especially the bolded.
It was great to see some of the footage from the London show being used, and I really liked the interviews with the crew members - sad we only got one(?) shot of Drake! - and Hank Green was really nice too! It would've been awesome to see more from the afterparty, but I was kind of surprised we even got one shot.
The in bed shot with sick!Phil was absolutely adorable, I actually liked the shower and bunk section of the bus tour, I did find the ridiculous overacting of it pretty amusing ...weirdly blacked out for a minute or two after that... Loved the Vegas bit too, only wish it had been longer!
The highlights - for me - were the more little domestic snippets, as that (image of) connection/accessibility is kind of what they've built a lot of their careers on and what draws me personally in, and that was low-key what I dreamed the entire thing would be. In that regards it could almost have been disappointing, but the extra context from everything else was super interesting - and makes it feel more ~personal~/like we're more connected too - and disconnecting from personal dreams to view it as the DVD extras type thing it was - as dizzy said! - brings home just how perfect it was as that. I loved the extra context everything else brought too, though. I was kind of sad that the 'DITL' in Hollywood they'd mentioned wasn't that strictly personal vlog that the phrase conjures for me, but the behind the scenes of the actual show thing was so interesting. I may have got a little too emotional at the end, too...
I feel like I could watch it five times and still find more things to say, so I'm definitely missing something, but those are my first thoughts/things I enjoyed.
response to Lurktacularr-
first of all sorry if I'm kind of butting in as you asked dizzy, but it turns out I couldn't actually not talk about this in some way!
re: the hotel rooms - firstly I'd say that they did show themselves sharing a lot of rooms - maybe two or three, vs one not shared - and with the one they didn't share it seemed that Phil was still pretty sick at that point, so I'd imagine it was easier to be separate to avoid either Phil waking Dan up coughing/snoring or Dan disturbing Phil in the night. Not sure exactly how that would work out with regards to room booking - maybe they always had the option for shared/separate rooms, maybe it depended on hotels, maybe some nights people stayed on the bus by choice or b/c they were behind schedule and more rooms were available - but I imagine it was necessarily fake or any kind of deliberate 'no homo' type statement at all, just that the drilling thing was kind of funny so they included it.
alittledizzy wrote:Spoiler free documentary reaction: It was exactly what I would expect from a behind the scenes documentary for a stage show done by a professional production company. In terms of what it set out to be, it succeeded. I enjoyed seeing what all went into the parts that made the show happen. The bits they filmed of each other were fond and pleasant, but minimal; this is definitely a 'behind the scenes' not a 'day in the life.' But I'm fine with that. I won't be rewatching it obsessively, but I'm not gonna hate on them because they made exactly what they said they were making and that didn't happen to line up with exactly what I wanted.
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option. Sharing a bed would have sparked a much huger conversation with more shock value and raised more eyebrows than the current one we're having. We're angry but we've been through this before and most of us come out on the other side still invested and still here. We know that, they know that. (Yeah, some people might flounce out of anger, but most of us won't.) This was the safe option for them.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience. Livestreams are twenty thousand people, the youtube channel is millions. Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
ok hang on there.
i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.
I really don't understand why you thought they would either come out or make it clear they aren't a couple in this doc. In my opinion they have never hinted at that. Nor would I think it was right they do that in paid content.
alright, not necessarily verbally come out, but not SCRIPT the hell out of their experience on tour... that's what i expected. ok maybe i was wrong in thinking they would address it, but some of the stuff was so painfully not TRUE that it feels weird to even have it in the documentary. unless you believe that Dan did sleep in that bunk for 2 monhts. I don't, and i'm one of those who think they're NOT together
Do you never question if maybe they're not actually together though, rather than closeted? I very rarely used to but this has hit me like a brick.
Not the bus situation, but the hotel room thing. What's your take on them having separate hotel rooms? Do you think that was fake and if so why did they bother to include it? And if it wasn't fake, how does that stack up to them being together irl? (I'm not ranting at you, I'm low-key hoping you can talk me out of this hole )
No. You'll know when I do, because I won't be here anymore. The second I actually believe they've baited this hard for this long, I'm out.
The situation where they had different hotel rooms? I would point out that they showed themselves sharing the same room multiple times. Way more than they showed themselves in separate rooms. There was even one that was a setup where it was like no space between the beds.
I'm not making an argument for yes-homo or no-homo here. Just pointing out that people are focusing on the negative, and that even if there is negative there are reasons for Dan and Phil not to want to share their sleeping arrangements in consistent detail with a potential 5+ million people.
All the for you, dizzy! I completely agree with your entire post, especially the bolded.
Sadly the bolded bit is where my head is at. I see what you guys and internettakeover are saying, but at the moment it feels like too much of a reach for my brain. I'm not even saying I disagree, my brain just can't get there even though I'd like it to.
And the bolded bit really is true for me too - my youtube subscription box just took a double hit, as did the number of people I follow on twitter.
I'm gonna stick around on here for a bit to check out the reactions etc - and cos I'm kinda attached to you guys - but unless my feelings change (and they may well do, lbr) I may be seeing myself out
(I'd like to apologise for banging on about phan when so much more has been released which is cool and fun and interesting tonight - its just where my head is for a change )
I wonder how biology can explain the physical pain you feel in your chest when all you want to do is talk shit on IDB
alittledizzy wrote:Spoiler free documentary reaction: It was exactly what I would expect from a behind the scenes documentary for a stage show done by a professional production company. In terms of what it set out to be, it succeeded. I enjoyed seeing what all went into the parts that made the show happen. The bits they filmed of each other were fond and pleasant, but minimal; this is definitely a 'behind the scenes' not a 'day in the life.' But I'm fine with that. I won't be rewatching it obsessively, but I'm not gonna hate on them because they made exactly what they said they were making and that didn't happen to line up with exactly what I wanted.
And other spoilery reactions under the cut.
My expectations were extremely leveled. I'm disappointed at the implied no homo, but not surprised by it. They practically told us it would be that way already with the tweets. I'd hoped they might have decided they didn't feel like going that direction, but I never entirely ruled it out as an option. Sharing a bed would have sparked a much huger conversation with more shock value and raised more eyebrows than the current one we're having. We're angry but we've been through this before and most of us come out on the other side still invested and still here. We know that, they know that. (Yeah, some people might flounce out of anger, but most of us won't.) This was the safe option for them.
This is the part where I remember that they're closeted. And to be honest, I'm probably more inclined to give them leeway after seeing Josh and Colleen's videos last week because it made me remember the valid reasons for people in a relationship to want to keep that relationship private from a massive, entitled, emotionally invested audience. Livestreams are twenty thousand people, the youtube channel is millions. Do I wish they hadn't been quite so thorough with the bed thing? Yeah. Do I actually feel cheated? I don't think so. My disappointment over them not being as open as I want them to be is my responsibility to manage, not theirs.
The only thing I'll say is that it was dirty of them to post the most ditl-y bits in the trailer. But that was misleading, not actually dishonest, it's not like those parts weren't in the documentary at all.
ok hang on there.
i know we would have different opinions on this since you believe they're closeted, and i believe they're not dating. but honestly, how do you not feel cheated? there was hope for an open, HONEST conversation, to start off the implied (by Dan himself, no less!) #posttatinof phase, whether it be the "we are dating", or "we are not dating" path, but they just... branded the hell out of their "legacy" on YTR with the vague and obviosuly scripted no-homo. idk, i'm feeling cheated cause i was hoping for at least some bits of honesty which would give me some closure.
After years of not addressing it at all why did anybody possibly think they'd want to address their relationship status in the documentary and completely overshadow the release of something they've been working on for like two years? The bed discussion seems to be all anyone can discuss as it is imagine how bad it would be if they'd actually gave a definitive yes or no answer?
People were making assumptions because of the ditching branding stuff but to me they never implied they were going to come out as platonic or a couple. And even if they did want to confirm and deny once and for all I really don't think the documentary (about the making of their stage show lets not forget the actual focus point of it) would actually be the appropriate place to do that.
Also this might be salty but as you were asking for a non-legal copy a page back did you actually pay for it to feel cheated by its contents?
I feel very alone as a person who watched the documentary and felt happy about the contents afterwards. Oh well lol.
That being said I'm trying to get through TATINOF and the cringe is real.
i feel like i'm PewDiePie'ing here among sane creatures all I hear is "WE WON'T FUCKING TELL YOU, FUCK YOU, YOU'LL NEVER KNOW" while the others are oddly optimistic. well waddayaknow, I admire all of you and your patience!
pearshaped34 wrote:Also this might be salty but as you were asking for a non-legal copy a page back did you actually pay for it to feel cheated by its contents?
i know you're just being salty so i'm not even gonna be offended, but i did pay for the documentary, tyvm. i just don't feel like paying for the show now that... oh, whatever.
EDIT: i just bought the TATINOF show too yay, I hope you have no more doubts in filthy trash antiphans like me!
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there was no reason to stress 2 different rooms in hotel if they were not actually living like that, single room with 2 beds always worked just fine. And no way an actual couple would split like that for one night
well that sure was an adventure. i've seen the show twice + not going to watch the whole show as of yet. gonna try to be positive in this review as i've seen a lot of negative ones(and however much i may agree, someone needs to be positive here lol). off topic, didn't someone say they filmed the other options of fanfic live? what did they do w that i was looking forward to it. back on topic- as i watched it in english class, i may not have caught everything.
anyways, for starters, bedgate was completely avoided. i expected it, but nonetheless my heart shattered. it was whatever. i'm trying not to be whiney about the two separate hotel rooms as there was another clip where the beds were pushed almost together. i just get upset whenever 'no homo' is implied, but it's paid content so i suppose they wouldn't have done anyth major anyways.
personally my favorite moments were 1) when phil lint rolled dan's body- god hasn't abandoned us after all- and dan's smile during it 2) the little vloggy bits during the end credit- they broke the shower, bless their souls, 3) the cute domestic-y bants that occured throughout in the self filmed clips. also i loved the part when dan threw the towel onto phil's face, and 4) "let's go home phil" do i eve n hha v e to
for now, i'm not going to even touch or think about at all the cringey bits. maybe i'll talk about those later. for now i'm grabbing onto the only domesticity we were given.
overall opinion- i liked it. it wasn't anything crazy, basically what you'd expect from a documentary. i just wish it'd have been a bit vloggier, ya feel? but it was still good.
not a spoiler: i'm so excited for deppy to drop the cringey brand now. also dapgo is a thing i keep forgetting about!! we live in a post tatinof world now. woah. they've come so far- i'm so emotional. it's crazy to think that i met them in april on the day the u.s. tour started. absolutely u n r e a l! i'm so proud :''')
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papierklemmen wrote:i feel like i'm PewDiePie'ing here among sane creatures all I hear is "WE WON'T FUCKING TELL YOU, FUCK YOU, YOU'LL NEVER KNOW" while the others are oddly optimistic. well waddayaknow, I admire all of you and your patience!
me too im too cynical to hold out hope like some a y'all. but i really enjoyed the doc and the movie i wonder what 2017 holds for deppy..
when you first saw her-beauty, the dream- the human vortex of your life- or him - did you stop, and stand in the crisp air, breathing like a tree? did you change your life?
gnostic wrote:You guys go back into goggles so quickly
there was no reason to stress 2 different rooms in hotel if they were not actually living like that, single room with 2 beds always worked just fine. And no way an actual couple would split like that for one night
Huh? There are tons of reasons a couple would split like that for one night. One of them is sick, one's got a fucked up sleep pattern, they weren't in charge of booking the room...
Anyone who thinks they are together knows they have two separate bedrooms at their own home. Why would them sleeping apart in a hotel for one night make or break anyone's belief? I mean, I'm genuinely asking, because that is just not an assumption I would leap to.
Anyone who thinks they are together knows they have two separate bedrooms at their own home. Why would them sleeping apart in a hotel for one night make or break anyone's belief? I mean, I'm genuinely asking, because that is just not an assumption I would leap to.
I suppose from my point of view, the set up at home is permanent and therefore can't be hidden away or not filmed. In a hotel, they'd only be there for a little while and could therefore either not film or be selective, and therefore get away with just one room (and one bed). Not the case with their actual apartment - needs to be viewer-proof. There's no hiding the set-up there, or using clever angles, or just choosing not to film it at all.
This is underpinned by the assumption that whilst they have two rooms at home, they sleep together in one of them. So the two rooms are essentially for show.
So they I question why they'd need to bother doing that in a place they're only staying for one night. To me the two aren't comparable.
I wonder how biology can explain the physical pain you feel in your chest when all you want to do is talk shit on IDB
Anyone who thinks they are together knows they have two separate bedrooms at their own home. Why would them sleeping apart in a hotel for one night make or break anyone's belief? I mean, I'm genuinely asking, because that is just not an assumption I would leap to.
I suppose from my point of view, the set up at home is permanent and therefore can't be hidden away or not filmed. In a hotel, they'd only be there for a little while and could therefore either not film or be selective, and therefore get away with just one room (and one bed). Not the case with their actual apartment - needs to be viewer-proof. There's no hiding the set-up there, or using clever angles, or just choosing not to film it at all.
This is underpinned by the assumption that whilst they have two rooms at home, they sleep together in one of them. So the two rooms are essentially for show.
So they I question why they'd need to bother doing that in a place they're only staying for one night. To me the two aren't comparable.
I guess another difference here is that I don't assume the two rooms are always for show. As someone who in the past year has had serious talks about moving in with her long term significant other, we're looking for two bedrooms because we love spending time together but we just both want our own space sometimes and we both sleep better alone. Is it romantic? I guess not. Is it practical and all around healthier for us together? Definitely. So them sleeping apart doesn't tend to impact my opinion of them as a couple at all.
just as amazing as I remembered. Ugh I loves these guys so much. I cringed a lot but i did that live aswell. I had to skip the fan fiction part though. That is just too much for me.
My favourite part is still the musical number at the end. It is just really special. I hope they bring it out on Spotify now that the film is out
Doc:
just as I expected. Exactly like a behind the scenes documentary that you would see on did extras of films.
I thought there was some really cute moments.
Tbh I liked that it was filmed more professionally and not vloggy style. I think there was a good balance. It gave a more of a doc style than it would have if it was more vloggy.
I liked learning more about the behind the scenes of the making of the tour.
Wish we saw more of Vegas though.
Overall I am still and excited for Dapgo.
"You can't just pull it out and put it in without a plan." Dan Howell 2015
Anyone who thinks they are together knows they have two separate bedrooms at their own home. Why would them sleeping apart in a hotel for one night make or break anyone's belief? I mean, I'm genuinely asking, because that is just not an assumption I would leap to.
I suppose from my point of view, the set up at home is permanent and therefore can't be hidden away or not filmed. In a hotel, they'd only be there for a little while and could therefore either not film or be selective, and therefore get away with just one room (and one bed). Not the case with their actual apartment - needs to be viewer-proof. There's no hiding the set-up there, or using clever angles, or just choosing not to film it at all.
This is underpinned by the assumption that whilst they have two rooms at home, they sleep together in one of them. So the two rooms are essentially for show.
So they I question why they'd need to bother doing that in a place they're only staying for one night. To me the two aren't comparable.
I guess another difference here is that I don't assume the two rooms are always for show. As someone who in the past year has had serious talks about moving in with her long term significant other, we're looking for two bedrooms because we love spending time together but we just both want our own space sometimes and we both sleep better alone. Is it romantic? I guess not. Is it practical and all around healthier for us together? Definitely. So them sleeping apart doesn't tend to impact my opinion of them as a couple at all.
I'mma stop spoilers cos this isn't really a spoiler at this point - we all knew sleeping arrangements would come up
That's interesting and I can see how that would make sense. I suppose we're all somewhat influenced by personal experience. I was with my ex girlfriend for 7 years and we lived together for 5 - never once in those 5 years did we sleep separately when both at home. Even if one of us had the plague or I was up online until 3am on the regs. Different strokes for different folks I suppose - maybe I need to recognise not everyone's the same and not push my own experiences onto my perception of Deppy
I wonder how biology can explain the physical pain you feel in your chest when all you want to do is talk shit on IDB
And tbh it kinda weirds me out how forced a lot of the platonic stuff is. Just stop with it already... please.
i know the show & thereby the docu are aimed MOSTLY at teenagers and children, but jeez... this is your chance to address it in a NON-dyi-youtube video which i know can be quite frightening to do (all the potential "you were queerbating" comments... which wouldnt be wrong btw). 
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i just don't feel like paying for the show now that... oh, whatever. 
