IDB

malday wrote:

Philena wrote:

fondsmiles wrote:

I'm trying to figure out my emotions on this video, and it's a bit difficult.

At first I was like, uh, well, that seems a bit fake but whatever, you do you Phil.

But now I feel... sad. Because, he really does care that much, doesn't he? That we believe he sleeps in this room, that we believe that Dan was asleep during all of this, that this was real.
And that makes me worry a bit. Maybe this theorizing is affecting Phil more than I thought. Maybe he doesn't cope that well with most of the phandom mostly calmly assuming them to be in a relationship, maybe it does upset him and he dislikes what their shift in video filming behaviour has done to the phandom and our beliefs on them.

This video felt like he was trying hard, really really hard, to show us his story. And regardless of whether that story is true or not, that really doesn't matter here: It makes me think that he desperately wants us to believe something that he feels like we don't believe anymore. And fuck, that makes me sad. And a bit worried, whether we're doing something wrong here, whether I'm too casual in assuming things that haven't been stated.

I hate to think that the theorizing is affecting him in such a way that he needs to shoot a video like this one.
I very much hope that I am putting too much weight onto it right now and it's really not that deep though.

I obviously don't know the truth of the situation, but I do think you may be worrying for no reason. Phil is following a formula. It was more than likely a scheduled video that followed the previous format almost exactly. That is why the video was boring to me. Not because he isn't cute, but because this has been done before.

I liked the butt bit, the bowling ball crushing his flower, and... that's about it. Also, he picked the worst American candies ever, btw. Those were like bottom of the barrel American candies.

The fact of the matter is that Phil makes videos to entertain. I think it may be unwise to assume that this was made for any other reason. It just sucks that this wasn't that entertaining.

I agree with this!

Me too. I'm a bit skeptical of the idea that they're watching us like a hawk and make decisions based on what a few people are talking about in a forum or on Tumblr. This is the kind of stuff I see as conspiratorial and unlikely, whereas a same-sex couple choosing privacy is just a normal bit of reality imo.

iihappydaysii wrote:Do you think the staged-ness is coming across to casual viewers? I can get a little put off by things that are meant to look real but are fake. I'd rather it be more stages the way a regular video is than a staged vlog. It's not a moral thing, just a taste thing, I've stopped listening to podcasts because I started thinking they were real and they turned out to be fiction--not the podcasts fault but my expectations weren't met and it lowered my enjoyment. Of course, they have right to any kind of privacy they want but, as a viewer, Id rather have videos I know are just stories or sketches or challenges or whatever and nothing where I begin to question the authenticity. Idk. I do worry though, if he starts coming across fake or inauthentic, could that affect viewership? Especially with casual viewers bc they wouldn't understand why it's that way. Or do you think they don't notice? Or that we're ascribing intentions from Phil that aren't there? Maybe it just feels staged or inauthentic bc our expectations aren't being met? I don't know.

i think the staged-ness might come across to some casual viewers but not most of them. i say that because i dont consider myself a casual viewer anymore and i'll watch a video and then come here to read reactions and i never pick up on a lot of what is talked about here. and then i'll rewatch a video and see what people are talking about. i could just be very unobservant but i just dont think a lot of viewers go into watching a video like a lot of more dedicated fans do.

i also dont think his comment section is anything to go by because again i think most casual viewers (of most youtube videos not just phil's) don't leave comments. at most they'll press a like and go watch the next video in their sub box or playlist or whatever.

simmehchan wrote:

The tweet is gone, so here it is again.
It felt staged already anyway, so I'm not even that surprised. I didn't really like the video much anyway. It was very boring and it didn't feel genuine (apparently because it wasn't). It really felt like the video was just made to make people think that that was really Phil's bedroom. I mean, why else would he stage it?

I can't help but think that the more and more lies they tell, the deeper the grave they dig for themselves. I understand why they lie, don't get me wrong, but I feel like one day it might blow up in their faces. Maybe I'm the only one who thinks that though.

lurker wrote:

human wrote:Like honestly I feel at this point, who even cares if they're together? Is it such a big deal? Sometimes it kinda bothers me that they presumably think it is such a big deal, to possibly be a same sex couple in 2017. Everyone thinks they are already so it's not like anyone would be shocked.

i mean there are still consequences of coming out as a same-gender couple in 2017. like it's difficult/impossible to predict to what extent it would influence dan and phil's lives specifically but...there are very much still consequences.

edit to make my post sound less like vagueblogging: within the phandom it probably wouldn't be a big deal, but coming out wouldn't be limited to the phandom, as in that case there's no way to do it selectively. so: not trying to be snarky, but this statement was bothering me.

Fair enough point taken!

This bit

source
+ phil's pinned comment redeems the video for me.

Vase Discourse: Oh my god, I didn't even realise it was a vase, I thought it was just some stupid big water glass. Phil drinking out of a vase for reasons unknown is amazing though.

obliviongrace wrote:I didn't expect this video to seem so much like a reaction video against all the bed speculation though. I must admit that it confuses me in the wake of Dan's rather carefree showing of the moon room on Tuesday. The two seem to clash against each other in my eyes. alittydizzy said this on Tumblr, so I'm paraphrasing her, but I do feel bad for Phil about the slip up with the download time thing if a push-back was his goal, because it's only going to make the speculation more firey.

I think they’re in a bit of a pickle there. Dan has made his sexuality pretty clear lately so a lot of people are assuming this also confirms phan when it doesn’t. Regardless of whether they’re together or not and regardless of whether or not that’s Phil’s real bedroom, they don’t want us to know at this point (and maybe never) and I think this video does play into that a lot. The timing is suspicious, I mean, there’s no way it’s a coincidence he made that video right now when 99% of the phandom are trying to pry their sleeping arrangements out of them.

And it really doesn’t matter whether or not Phil really sleeps in that room (as long as he says he does I’ll accept that he wants us to believe he does, done) but he clearly wants people to believe it. All the openness of the last few months has led a lot of people to believe it’s okay to overstep the last boundaries when it’s not. Give the phandom and inch and they will take a mile… Deppy obviously don’t want us to know the answers to these questions or they’d just tell us but the phandom keeps asking for more and I feel like they’re getting more invasive all the time too. I’m not blaming deppy here of course! I think it’s great they’re being more open and comfortable but I think big parts of the phandom see this new openness as an invitation to pry into their lives and find out the stuff they don’t want us to know as well and I guess deppy might be trying to make that stop in the usual way: Not acknowleding it but subtly (or not so subtly) trying to tell people to stop and accept their boundaries.

The vase discussion is annoying me more than it should, I don't find it that weird at all. Don't people normally have "the big cup" in their house? The glass you fill with water or any drink you want in a large quantity? I don't have anything quite in the shape that Phil has, but I know people that do or have an assortment of pint glasses.

good thing im not the only one who was disappointed by that video and felt it was staged too. the only parts i enjoyed were the american candy haul. everything else just felt off and..fake. but i am excited to see them play dream daddy! i've been keeping up with jacksepticeye's playthrough (bc why wouldn't i, i love his videos) and i'm curious to see what route dan and phil decide to go through with and the comments they make and stuff. bc..jack is a straight man, making innuendos quite a bit so i'm curious to see what dan and phil, who are not straight, i'm curious to see if they make a bunch of jokes like that idkimsorry i'm weird.

uh. yeah.

Can the next thread name be "Exposed via Dream Daddy"?

I've always been very lax with YTers on whether things are staged or not, scripted or not, etc. as long as it's entertaining (and it being real isn't a huge aspect, like prank vids or something). So the video being "staged" in and of itself doesn't bother me one bit. It's just that I found it pretty boring. Something about it just felt off in a way that the other Sleepless Nights didn't. I don't know if I'd say I actually disliked it, but I definitely wasn't in love with it either.

I know there's points on whether the video really was in response to all the room-sharing theories going about or if the timing was coincidental and people are overthinking. After making the mistake of reading through tumblr my brain hurts and I kinda just want to not think about it, lol. But I feel like if Phil/they had truly wanted to calm down the speculating, he should have just released some sort of cutesy video with Dan like the hair curling, predicting the future etc. for people to fawn over, taking attention away from the room thing (although I know those probably take more work). Surely this vid would have only added fuel to the fire. Which is why I'm not 100% sold on the "oh god people crossed a line and Phil felt trapped and desperately tried to prove that he sleeps in his own room" thing, even though that was how I felt at first.

so i just rewatched the video after seeing the dream daddy time slip up and was on the look out for clocks or what not in the background. when he is making the kool-aid there is a pretty bright reflection in his glass (vase lol) and also in the hanging metal light fixture behind him..it looks like it's daylight out? anyone else notice this or am i dumb and its just really bright lights around him? i would screenshot but i'm on my phone!

haven't watched the video yet (about to go watch it), but I already feel bad :\
[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610149226" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]

goingbackto505 wrote:haven't watched the video yet (about to go watch it), but I already feel bad :\
[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610149226" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]

Has he really deleted a comment thread like that? I feel bad now too. :/
And I'm sad, really. Like I said earlier, what a step back. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Ablissa wrote:

goingbackto505 wrote:haven't watched the video yet (about to go watch it), but I already feel bad :\
[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610149226" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]

Has he really deleted a comment thread like that? I feel bad now too. :/
And I'm sad, really. Like I said earlier, what a step back. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Kinda saw this coming, Dan seems less affected by stuff like this, he seems to laugh them off and maybe even play into them a little bit but this makes it very obvious that yes, indeed this sort of topic really bothers Phil. It's one thing to just go with everyones theories but to actually delete a thread, that's kind of a little warning that he doesn't want to have those sorts of thoughts out there.

goingbackto505 wrote:haven't watched the video yet (about to go watch it), but I already feel bad :\
[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610149226" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]

I don't really believe that Phil actually did that. People do lie. Especially anonymously.

000dia000 wrote:The vase discussion is annoying me more than it should, I don't find it that weird at all. Don't people normally have "the big cup" in their house? The glass you fill with water or any drink you want in a large quantity? I don't have anything quite in the shape that Phil has, but I know people that do or have an assortment of pint glasses.

http://www.ikea.com/gb/en/products/deco ... -37067100/

Don't know if that's the exact one he's using but I'm 95% sure it's an IKEA vase and it's annoying me purely for the fact it's blatantly a vase and looks like a vase in his giant man hand and now I'm wondering what they put flowers in.

Vid was sweet if you look at it from the point it's a tiny vlog even if he may be fibbing mildly about when he filmed it. I do think it's the evening rather than late at night though purely because he was talking in a normal voice in the gaming room and if the walls are that thin he can hear his neighbour sneeze I think he'd be trying to be quieter than normal if it was 2am or whatever time he said at that point.

Sinister Shipper wrote:

Ablissa wrote:

goingbackto505 wrote:haven't watched the video yet (about to go watch it), but I already feel bad :\
[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610149226" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]

Has he really deleted a comment thread like that? I feel bad now too. :/
And I'm sad, really. Like I said earlier, what a step back. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Kinda saw this coming, Dan seems less affected by stuff like this, he seems to laugh them off and maybe even play into them a little bit but this makes it very obvious that yes, indeed this sort of topic really bothers Phil. It's one thing to just go with everyones theories but to actually delete a thread, that's kind of a little warning that he doesn't want to have those sorts of thoughts out there.

Do we know for sure that he did delete a thread though? I haven't even seen anything like that in the YT comments.
But yeah, if it's true, I'm all the more sad because I thought we were past all this. Not quite sure if it is true however, it's just an anon ask on some phan blog.

Ablissa wrote:Has he really deleted a comment thread like that?

[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610280501" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]
I guess he did? idk, I doubt the original poster would delete it, so if it wasn't the op, then Phil's the only one who could do it. apparently people were reading the thread, then it stopped loading, and after refreshing it was gone :/

goingbackto505 wrote:

Ablissa wrote:Has he really deleted a comment thread like that?

[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610280501" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]
I guess he did? idk, I doubt the original poster would delete it, so if it wasn't the op, then Phil's the only one who could do it. apparently people were reading the thread, then it stopped loading, and after refreshing it was gone :/

Still not sold on it, to be honest. I could just as well send that person an ask that Phil is my aunt and that he just grew an extra set of hands out of his back. I'll believe it when I see it.
I do feel guilty though, no matter if it's real or not, simply because the Phandom seems quite set on making one another feel guilty right now. I don't think that's what Phil intended to happen.

Ablissa wrote:

Sinister Shipper wrote:

Ablissa wrote:

goingbackto505 wrote:haven't watched the video yet (about to go watch it), but I already feel bad :\
[tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610149226" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]

Has he really deleted a comment thread like that? I feel bad now too. :/
And I'm sad, really. Like I said earlier, what a step back. It doesn't make any sense to me.

Kinda saw this coming, Dan seems less affected by stuff like this, he seems to laugh them off and maybe even play into them a little bit but this makes it very obvious that yes, indeed this sort of topic really bothers Phil. It's one thing to just go with everyones theories but to actually delete a thread, that's kind of a little warning that he doesn't want to have those sorts of thoughts out there.

Do we know for sure that he did delete a thread though? I haven't even seen anything like that in the YT comments.
But yeah, if it's true, I'm all the more sad because I thought we were past all this. Not quite sure if it is true however, it's just an anon ask on some phan blog.

Even if it's not true though, I think the line has been crossed quite a bit lately - not sure if it's younger fans freaking out, being loud and obnoxious and not knowing when enough is enough or if it's trolls that are trying to make the rest of the fans look bad in Dan and Phils eyes but my heart breaks if this is truly the case. They deserve so much better than shit like that. It could potentially make them take a step back and reevaluate how they interact with each other and the fans online or back to being very particular in what they show (unlike Dans recent ls). Also if this really happened, it's a case of a few people ruining things for everyone else.

And here I was ready to change the subject and post something about the layout of their place again but then something like this pops up and kinda derails my thoughts.

I haven't watched Phils video yet, but I know I watch them both for entertainment and I know that most of their videos (particularly phils) are going to prioritize being entertaining over being genuine. I don't mind for the most part, fibbing on details or exaggerating a story or planned reactions or whatever is fine and to be expected but I guess it's a slippery slope, because it does feel a little more :/ when the whole entire premise is faked. I get it, the sleepless nights videos are fairly popular, why not make another one, and why not film it in the evening and not actually have to film when you happen to have a night where you can't sleep? Basically to me it's just an unfriendly reminder that their job is to entertain and stay relevant, not to share their entire real lives. But I don't think anyone likes feeling like they are being messed with. S'why I don't watch a lot of reality tv anymore, I know most if not all of it is contrived but they act like it's not. Leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I do hope this video was just genuinely Phil wanting to put out content and didn't have anything to do with all of the ongoining conversations around thir sleeping arrangements, but it seems a little too timely. Since the idea that they were that upset by the speculation makes me sad, I've come up with another theory. Maybe Dan deliberately live streamed in the moon room because he knew Phil was scheduled to film a sleepless nights vid and thought it would help to cement the two bedroom narrative, perhaps because they have something coming up soon (secret project or appearance?) where they wanted to reestablish the best friends and roommates image, maybe because they will be more in view of the general public and don't want more people speculating about their relationship or they don't want to have the image of "that gay couple from YouTube". Or perhaps their plan is to be in a glass closet to their core viewers (thus dan being lax about showing the bedroom on along livestream casual viewers won't watch, as opposed to doing a main channel house tour or something) but it'll be BAU on their main channels.

I can think of a laundry list of reasons why they wouldn't want to come out and I absolutely don't want them to if they don't want to. I don't mind them keeping the closet door shut if the want, but at this point, with a forever home and dog on the horizon, it just doesn't seem logical.

Katka wrote:All the openness of the last few months has led a lot of people to believe it’s okay to overstep the last boundaries when it’s not. Give the phandom and inch and they will take a mile… Deppy obviously don’t want us to know the answers to these questions or they’d just tell us but the phandom keeps asking for more and I feel like they’re getting more invasive all the time too.

This would also be part of the consequences if they revealed they were together - if the outer walls of the mystery fall, the speculation attack just moves farther in.

Also, it makes me sad that most of the suggested improvements to the video even here are "add Dan", because that's "what the people want". Phil's last two videos have had Dan, half of his last 10 videos have had Dan, and his top 22 most viewed videos all have Dan. I hope that Phil doesn't feel like he's being relegated even on his solo channel into "Dan's sidekick". These videos being popular before is a good enough reason for him to make another one, because it's starting to worry me that he's struggling to stay relevant as a solo act.

Katka wrote: Regardless of whether they’re together or not and regardless of whether or not that’s Phil’s real bedroom, they don’t want us to know at this point (and maybe never) and I think this video does play into that a lot. The timing is suspicious, I mean, there’s no way it’s a coincidence he made that video right now when 99% of the phandom are trying to pry their sleeping arrangements out of them.

Whether accidental or intentional, this new wave of prying and speculation was directly brought on by Dan's liveshow.
Phil was due a video on his main channel, if his intention and main motivation was to subdue speculation this video is exactly what he shouldn't have done. The only suspicious thing about the timing is the timing of Dan showing off his room.

Just like all the other times, this wave of curiosity will pass and no one will care about it soon.

I think the phandom is over-exaggerating things in both directions, right now.

goingbackto505 wrote: [tumblr] <div class="tumblr-post" data-href="https://embed.tumblr.com/embed/post/0ch ... 3610280501" data-did="da39a3ee5e6b4b0d3255bfef95601890afd80709">[/tumblr]

That's not how the comments work.

Sleepless nights have always been one of my absolute favourites because we get a Phil in glasses and a Phil rambling and bumbling around the house
So really, since this delivered both with him looking exceptionally lovely, and a couple of jokes that made me actually laugh aloud, I'm easily pleased

While some things were certainly disingenuous, we don't know the reason and I don't really want to presume. Changes and things have been happening both in their personal lives as well as public this past year, and its going to take a while for things to settle. In the meantime I'm okay with an unexceptional video every now and again as long as it cheers me up after a long day

Tldr; Phil looked fiiiine, drank out of a vase and that keeps me

malday, ica that the over-exaggeration is ridiculous atm. This shit has been going on since the genesis of phan... nothing to get worked up about, people!