Dan & Phil Part 40: We like the cock

[malday]

It's kind of understandable that he would be a little annoyed at people complaining, the fans, on tumblr especially, hyped the video way more than he ever did.

[lurker]

thanks SexyTrashCan, that clears it up!

i can't help but wonder if dan's "you lot have been saying it was a big deal" is specifically referring to people thinking it was a coming out video? i saw that a lot on tumblr but idk how representative it was. but it seemed to me like it was an essential part of the hype. and like malday said, i also got the impression that the hype came more from the reaction than from what he said initially. so i understand that people might be disappointed because he hinted at the new video quite a few times, but i would also understand if postponing the video had been influenced by the large response to the "cheeky idea" talk. i mean i also do understand where the excitement came from, but maybe dan felt like whatever the video was would get disappointed reactions after it was hyped like that? just speculating in both cases -- scrolling through all of the replies to the video, the ones answering to people being disappointed don't seem that defensive anymore to me, but idk. this post doesn't have a point, i'm sorry.

plus he said he'd "postponed" it, not cancelled it, so we might still get it? i don't understand why people apparently feel the need to lash out at him for that.

[dontpanic]

re: isg 9
me being negative This is one of the first vids in so long I don't want to time stamps for. not really worth the rewatch sadly. I hate being so negative but I just really didn't like this video. I kind of enjoyed most of the ISG vids because of the sarcasm/troll-y advice/exaggerated drinking, but now he's discarded all of that. Plus now we have confirmation he's going to be making more isg vids so like... I don't want life advice, I want to hear more of your stories YOU'RE SUCH A GOOD STORY-TELLER DAN PLEASE EXAGGERATE SOME EMBARRASSING THING THAT HAPPENED TO YOU, YOU WERE ABLE TO MAKE AN ENTIRE SUBPLOT ABOUT A MUFFIN ENJOYABLE DON'T WASTE YOUR TALENT sorry, I got no chill today.

me being not-so-negative I loved his comic-sans shade he threw at trump at 2:13. I'd rather he make an entire video making up potential trump tweets, his dank creativity + dry humor + weird thought process would create some pretty hilarious stuff.

I'm surprised about all the family/parents mentions, excited to deeply analyze this later . His grandmother watches his videos, right? I wonder what her reaction would be to this? I also am curious why he's suddenly choosing now to talk about his family again.....could it be that the big "plans" Deppy have is that they're in process of adopting a child? They've talked about these "life things" for a year-ish(?) which could fit into a semi-accurate timeline for the adoption process

naw prob not, I just want someone to relate to the emotional roller-coaster and never-ending adoption paperwork I'm going though. Although a Deppy Adoption would explain the constant pregnancy talk. OR maybe they're adopting a baby from someone currently pregnant, maybe the baby's due in five months and something stressful regarding the baby happened last week and THAT's the stressful thing we're supposed to ask him about after the very specific amount of time he gave us. I know it ain't this but let me imagine, all I want is to see them interact with more children

I also liked how he had a pretty good mix of questions from younger and older viewers, and I approve of him telling that one guy not to go give his crush he'd never met the painting he made of them. I'm just glad that, if dan's going to do this "serious" thing, he's at least giving relatively good advice.

That literally happened to me in middle school and everyone thought it was romantic and pressured me to talk to him and date him, but it was seriously the most uncomfortable thing I had ever experienced up to then. young shy me had no idea what to do anyway this is so off-topic sorry.

Sorry for the double post, I JUST missed the edit window.

Edit:

I find 7:18 interesting when the person was asking for boy advice and called Dan an experienced boy "You could interpret that a bunch of different ways and frankly all of them would be true"

actually, I agree. One way to interpret it would be he's inexperienced in life, inexperienced being a """""traditional"""" boy, inexperienced at having 'boy troubles,' and other things my sleep-deprived brain can't think of yet. I wonder what type of "inexperience" he was thinking of reading that.

Edit #2 because I'm trash:
I don't think this was the video he was over-hyping though, right? He said the video he decided to wait to release the video he's been talking about, and I think I remember in the liveshow he said not to expect anything from this video. I need to go back and fact check but I'm pretty sure it's the next video he keeps hyping up.

[Catallena]

I hate ISG. Loathe it. It hasn't been that funny since the fourth one, by now the unfunniness is a little painful. I need Mr. Dan 'Quality Content' Howell to stop.

There were two interesting things though. Dan being a 'boy expert' and how any interpretation of that was true, and all the shade towards parents. Aside from that, I didn't like the video.

Oh but Dan is right. Never expect much from any hype around a DINOF video, that's been established for years. Plus we already knew that the video that was coming up wouldn't be the video that he hyped and then created discourse about literally everything from rebranding to coming out. So yeah

[lost686girl]

I honestly think that his audience would have preferred waiting a week for the more interesting video than get another ISG. I wonder if he's upset because he knows he's in a creative dry spell? It's not so easy to think of new ideas. Then again, Jenna marbles did about a million "what your ...say" but I'd have to say that it's her humor that keeps her so fresh and interesting. Dan is funny but I think we'd all enjoy more serious videos. That's why his live streams are so great.

[000dia000]

Or maybe we should just lower our expectations, it will be Internet Support Group 9.

I said this, two weeks ago. I'm completely right and I'm not happy.

Wasn't an ISG9 meant to a joke? This is sad. It's disappointing when something anticipated turns out to be replaced by something quickly filmed, edited and turned out last minute. Yes, Dan, you've scrapped your original video, everybody knows. His tweets are worrying. I very much hope that we're all just overreacting and overthinking the situation, even if the evidence says otherwise. I hope that whatever head-space Dan is in, it will pass. There's only so many ISG he can publish in succession, and the next video, surely must be a new video.

It's disappointing, when Dan constantly stresses creative integrity yet has no issues doing this. If he needed to push out a video, quick, and simple, do a Truth or Dare 6, at least they're mindless entertainment and be different every time. The ISG, get's old, quick, and as it is obvious that Dan handpicks submissions beforehand, all immersion is lost and...what's the point? What IS the point?

I'm kind of torn between trying to defend Dan and sympathize with him, and being realistic and trying not to place expecation and attachment to his work, when he's struggling to find control, balance and balls to figure out what he wants to do. He doesn't need to do the controversial video, but what does he expect our reactions to be when he stresses that his next video will be unusual and then...this?

even his tweets are normie

[lurker]

[SexyTrashCan]

I'm surprised about all the family/parents mentions, excited to deeply analyze this later . His grandmother watches his videos, right? I wonder what her reaction would be to this? I also am curious why he's suddenly choosing now to talk about his family again.....could it be that the big "plans" Deppy have is that they're in process of adopting a child? They've talked about these "life things" for a year-ish(?) which could fit into a semi-accurate timeline for the adoption process

naw prob not, I just want someone to relate to the emotional roller-coaster and never-ending adoption paperwork I'm going though. Although a Deppy Adoption would explain the constant pregnancy talk. OR maybe they're adopting a baby from someone currently pregnant, maybe the baby's due in five months and something stressful regarding the baby happened last week and THAT's the stressful thing we're supposed to ask him about after the very specific amount of time he gave us. I know it ain't this but let me imagine, all I want is to see them interact with more children

Honestly that theory has more basis than at least 70 percent of theories I've seen but yes more interactions would be amazing and would make me very happy

[dontpanic]

Me again with the Dan's parents discourse...
Did he just call his parents incompetent and unprepared for a child?

He also made stage mothers sound like the dream parent. It seems mine and Dan's version of good and competent parenting are worlds apart. All those lucky child stars whose parents pushed them to be famous at the expense of their childhoods. And we all know who typically healthy and well-adjusted they famously grow up to be from the parenting of their loving and supporting parents who were just helping them reach "their" dreams.

I'm pretty sure he meant more in the relm of what he feels about Lorde's parents, how they supported her and listened to her and helped her pursue what interested her. I don't think he was talking about toddlers in tiaras or anything like that.

[blackdenim]

I find 7:18 interesting when the person was asking for boy advice and called Dan an experienced boy "You could interpret that a bunch of different ways and frankly all of them would be true"

actually, I agree. One way to interpret it would be he's inexperienced in life, inexperienced being a """""traditional"""" boy, inexperienced at having 'boy troubles,' and other things my sleep-deprived brain can't think of yet. I wonder what type of "inexperience" he was thinking of reading that.

I took this the complete opposite way - I thought he was saying he WAS experienced and you could interpret that in a lot of different ways... e.g. he's done a lot of things, had a lot of life experience, has experience of being a boy, has a lot of experience of boy troubles, has a lot of sexual experience/sexual partners which is what people often mean when they say they're experienced (and what my mind instantly went to...) and all of the above could be true I guess.

I didn't like this video. Usually I don't mind when he has everyone on tenterhooks about his new vid and it's an ISG. But I didn't enjoy this one at all, I think it's the first Dan video since I really got into D&P that I've straight up not liked. It wasn't funny and I didn't feel like he picked good problems.

Although I did think perhaps he was picking problems so he could talk about things he wanted to talk about e.g. his parents and growing out of lad culture. Until I remembered he said in his LS that he had switched his big deal/not a big deal video out for a different one I thought he was trying to send us some kind of coded messages... clearly I've been spending too long on here!

[Moonbeamsonthepath]

I'm starting to think that Dan and Phil are sponsored by water.

(hang on, maybe that's why they keep making those jokes. Is it making fun of Youtubers doing actual spons?)

[cherrybomb3]

hello chums

could a (sort of) compromise between the two vitriolic and opinionated camps that seem to have formed after isg9 be made? yes, we know dan isnt obliged to meet the expectations of his audience - especially when they are so personal and rather outlandish

however, can it be argued that he sort of set himself up for this whole drama? like, the boy definitely hyped this up, and judging by his comments regarding deliberately inserting innuendos, it is pretty easy to come to the conclusion that he knew what he was doing when he insinuated that the upcoming video (s) were at least something different and cheekily anticipated. basically, no he doesnt owe anyone anything, but at the same time, play with fire and youre gonna get burnt

[pastelspectre]

oooo boy the minute i saw the title and thumbnail for dan's new video i knew everyone would be crazy upset over it. i literally said to myself, "everyone on idb will be so upset about this" and udfnak. i actually really like his isg videos. i like how he tried to give genuine advice in this video and replaced alcohol with water. i felt it was a positive change. i dunno, i enjoy his isg videos. it's a nice change of pace for me.

i feel bad for him though, that a lot of people are bothering him on twitter about the disappointment of his new video and people in the dan howell tag on tumblr are talking about it too, but are mostly saying to be positive and polite to dan, not mean and snarky.

[missemma]

You know, I'm kinda with Dan on this. I looked at his tweet for ISG and there are some comments about how people thought this was a coming out video. People do tend to hype things up that both Dan and Phil say and it ends up balling into something that it actually isn't. I like sassy Dan and I'm glad he feels able to make comments like that, I can imagine it must be pretty annoying for people to hype something up and then tweet about how disappointed they are after. The hashtag afterwards though, even though it made me cringe a little, there were some cute things in there. I see he pulled a Mr Joe King with his reply though, always joking.

I watched ISG9 and sorry, I'm not a fan of it. I watched it and got a really odd vibe from it. I'm just putting it out there that he looked really washed out & pale (and kinda tired), and it just felt kinda off? I'm not sure if the lighting was weird, but his white shirt, against the white wall and him looking so pale just made it even more strange for me. He looks like he needs a good sleep.

[pearshaped34]

I'm just putting it out there that he looked really washed out & pale (and kinda tired), and it just felt kinda off? I'm not sure if the lighting was weird, but his white shirt, against the white wall and him looking so pale just made it even more strange for me. He looks like he needs a good sleep.

I did actually wonder if the switch from an alcoholic beverage to water for this episode was because he seems to be trying to start some new hydration themed branding or just because he was hungover as hell while filming and didn't want to face anything with alcohol. He certainly wasn't looking at his most healthiest and hydrated to me.

[alittledizzy]

If Dan is still on the 'one video a month' train then he's gotta know people are gonna be hyper responsive to whatever he posts.

If he wants to not get this kind of extreme (on either side) reaction then he'd just have to post more. If ISG weren't the only video people got for a month, and if the continuous liveshow mentions weren't weeks in the making, then he could get away with changing his mind on a sketch vid and plopping down an ISG instead.

I do have a lot of compassion for Dan and how frustrated/depressive his tweets right now are. But I can have compassion for him without needing to coddle him, too. It sucks that he's getting shit for the video, but it's a situation of his own making.

[bantstrash]

Did it remind anyone of Jam and Bill when he put comments over at the end. I miss them.

It seems that the phandom hype his videos far more than he does. I feel kind of bad for him.

Also I like ISG so I'm happy.

[dontpanic]

I wonder if he made isg more serious because of the kind of questions he's been getting? Some fans actually look for legitimate advice from him, and he has said he gets enough isg emails that his inbox ran out of storage. he could have realized he's in a position where he could help some people who don't know/don't have anyone to ask about things like this. It must be really hard to make jokes when he gets questions from someone who's uncomfortable with how her boyfriend acts, or from people who have parent problems.

What sticks out to me is the famous "rubber up for dan" question last time. It may seem silly to most of us, but him addressing safe sex in this manner to millions of mostly young people is significant. Most of us in the U.S. get abstinence-only education and don't get the sex talk from our parents, so when someone they look up to like Dan tells them it's important to use protection that could actually make an important impact in their life.

I kind of understand now why he's made isg 9 times, it may be rather easy to film, but he also could feel obligated(?) to make these. If you've got around 300,000 (roughly gmail's max) questions seeking legitimate advice it might be hard to ignore.

idk why I'm thinking so much about this, maybe I'm just trying to rationalize this for myself, but tbh I guess if his anxiety's going to prevent him from regularly uploading more...intimate...content, I'm glad he's going to use something like isg as his filler videos.

and ffs this hydration schtick is KILLING me, I need to know the back story because this thing goes deeper than what they're telling us. Is Arrowhead sponsoring them to get kidz to drink more water? Did Coca-Cola spur them so they now have a vendetta against soda companies?

edit:

I'm starting to think that Dan and Phil are sponsored by water.

(hang on, maybe that's why they keep making those jokes. Is it making fun of Youtubers doing actual spons?)

dude we're on the same wavelength

okay I gotta stop posting I need to be at least a little productive today

[SquishPhan]

I just watched Phil’s live show, and I really enjoyed it. It was very relaxing to watch.
Loved him talking about his degrees.

The question about glasses was interesting to me, too. As he was talking about his mum not believing him when he said he needed them, I kept thinking - man, how would people be reacting to this story of it were Dan telling it? But because Phil's tone didn't make it into a 'how dare my parents, they just didn't care enough, etc etc' it doesn't resonate as a strong negative mark in his childhood the way I think the same story would were Dan telling it.

Yeah I agree with you on this.
I do think it is pretty bad parenting to not believe your child when they say that they may need glasses.

If Dan is still on the 'one video a month' train then he's gotta know people are gonna be hyper responsive to whatever he posts.

If he wants to not get this kind of extreme (on either side) reaction then he'd just have to post more. If ISG weren't the only video people got for a month, and if the continuous liveshow mentions weren't weeks in the making, then he could get away with changing his mind on a sketch vid and plopping down an ISG instead.

I do have a lot of compassion for Dan and how frustration/depressive his tweets right now are. But I can have compassion for him without needing to coddle him, too. It sucks that he's getting shit for the video, but it's a situation of his own making.

Yes to this whole post!

[helvetica]

Re: the sudden hydration meme from deps
I always thought it was an extension from the tumblr "self care" meme
like an exaggerated "stay hydrated uvu, drink plants and think of soft clouds and take a shower in flowers while humming into coconut oil. •~• remember ur special" type post

edit: Yes dontpanic I definetly agree that all those personal emails about people's problems would take a toll on a persons conscience and I could see myself doing the same thing as Dan: at first being flippant bc haha it's a joke but then trying to take on all these guys problems especially in recent internet trends of being more "pc" for lack of a better word

[fancybum]

If Dan is still on the 'one video a month' train then he's gotta know people are gonna be hyper responsive to whatever he posts.

If he wants to not get this kind of extreme (on either side) reaction then he'd just have to post more. If ISG weren't the only video people got for a month, and if the continuous liveshow mentions weren't weeks in the making, then he could get away with changing his mind on a sketch vid and plopping down an ISG instead.

I do have a lot of compassion for Dan and how frustrated/depressive his tweets right now are. But I can have compassion for him without needing to coddle him, too. It sucks that he's getting shit for the video, but it's a situation of his own making.

OR just be a bit less oblique when talking about his ideas. Whether we knew an ISG was coming 3 weeks ago or right when he posts, he's still going to get the views an ISG is going to get, so maybe just say 'I think the next vid will be ISG while I keep thinking about/working on my other idea' or something. People will still send disappointment his way over it if they aren't into the idea, but it wouldn't be all at once like happened here. He doesn't need to spell out every video, but maybe just hint better if it's going to be a sketch-based vid or..... ISG.

But this tweet kind of hit me in the feels so I hope everybody moves it along pretty quickly and he works on his technique of hinting at videos in the future. Because lol.

[boredtears]

He's done this before (last year I think) - he hyped up a video and then decided it was too risky and went with ISG instead. He never delivered on whatever that video was.

Of course I understand that creativity is a fickle bitch, but he should have learned from the last incident not to hype up a video as being something different and exciting (which, as an aside, will always cause parts of the phandom to theorise that he's coming out), unless he has already filmed the vid and plans to upload it.

I really didn't like how passive aggressive his tweets were, and how his mostly teen girl fan base was made to feel guilty enough that they went back to coddling and conciliatory tweets. He's a big boy and doesn't need protection.

I hope he isn't too bummed out about the whole thing, as I know that creativity slumps suck and all, but the backlash was also absolutely preventable.

[Catallena]

If Dan is still on the 'one video a month' train then he's gotta know people are gonna be hyper responsive to whatever he posts.

If he wants to not get this kind of extreme (on either side) reaction then he'd just have to post more. If ISG weren't the only video people got for a month, and if the continuous liveshow mentions weren't weeks in the making, then he could get away with changing his mind on a sketch vid and plopping down an ISG instead.

I do have a lot of compassion for Dan and how frustrated/depressive his tweets right now are. But I can have compassion for him without needing to coddle him, too. It sucks that he's getting shit for the video, but it's a situation of his own making.

This post sums up my feeling pretty well The phandom might be doing the most, but Dan continues to set himself up like this.

I still think Dan needs a firm kick up his arse and take himself less seriously. Like I get it, creative dry spells suck especially when you're constantly seeking validation from certain groups (y tho?).. But his dry spell has lasted for like 2 years by now (with some eureka moments here and there) and sometimes you need that kick from someone to get shit done. None of this nonsense about a particular video being perfect only for a certain date, when you've reached that point you're either a real pretentious douche nozzle or really just making excuses. With Dan, I'm pretty sure it's the latter. Some of his best and funniest content was made when he allowed himself less time to overthink everything, that's when Dan is at his funniest and best. He's killing his own creativity.

Sadly I don't think Dan has anyone to give him a kick up the arse. Phil would never.

[missemma]

He's done this before (last year I think) - he hyped up a video and then decided it was too risky and went with ISG instead. He never delivered on whatever that video was.

Of course I understand that creativity is a fickle bitch, but he should have learned from the last incident not to hype up a video as being something different and exciting (which, as an aside, will always cause parts of the phandom to theorise that he's coming out), unless he has already filmed the vid and plans to upload it.

Maybe he changed his mind and was too worried to put the other videos out. Not knowing what they were about obviously means you'll get some criticism from your audience when you don't deliver, but maybe he is/was nervous about what he was going to put out. The internet must be a hard place to basically make your living from, because it is there forever. You cannot un-say something, you cannot easily take something back, or delete things you put out on the internet. With their audience, copies are made of everything, things screenshotted (is that even a word), they cannot live things down, even from back in 2009. I don't blame him really for hyping something and then changing his mind on it, especially as we don't know what it was or where his head is at. I assumed from the liveshow this week that he had already filmed the video that hasnt been released, but tbh I did watch and fell asleep half way through so I might be making that bit up.

[papierklemmen]

ha, called it.

i mean, i don't like isg and not gonna watch it and also i find it hilarious coming from danny "integrity, content, creativity" boy, but the twitter vitrol over it, lmao...maybe people should stop expecting every video to be a coming out one, hyping it up and then blaming dan for doing what he always does. i'm glad he was passive aggressive in his replies, now that he said the "big hyped up video" is not a big deal either and is just cheeky people will stop projecting their fantasies.

that said, never thought i'd say it but i'd even take a stupid q&a over isg. make things more refreshing, lol!! but i guess dan finds isg to be more "original".