Dan & Phil Part 20: You are my Pikachu

[manged]

Sorry to disagree, but I can't see any issue whatsoever with his socially conscious statements? He may or may not be 100% accurate, sure, but a) I don't think many of us here have a PhD in social justice / history / the absolute truth and rightfulness in our twenties, and b) the complete opposite, which is him not saying anything at all, would be unbearably self absorbed.

Sis, don't try it with these hyperbolic, absolute extremes lmaooo. Who is asking for a PhD? Who is asking for 100% accuracy? Is the complete opposite the only other option to you?

I'm simply pointing out that he has a tendency to make soundbite statements that aren't entirely correct, but also saying in a tone that I interpret as quite absolute... not authoritative, but absolute... in that same tone that many have said can come off as pretentious. And you know what he has that many of us actually don't? An expansive, public platform. So maybe you should see an issue with him spreading inaccuracies to an audience of thousands to millions.Personally, I just think it's annoying.
But tbh, he coulda kept that BLM Younow blurb. I don't have a PhD, but I am black af, and his BLM explanation was too sanitized and whitesplainy for me personally. Was it completely wrong? No. Did I expect him to explain it from an expert's perspective? Of course not. But these are opportunities for him to direct people to voices that can maybe explain it better than him, because that's also an option. (And I think he's done that in the past, so g4h. I recognize that he makes efforts to educate himself, so that's not even what any of this is about).

[SquishPhan]

[spaceguitar]

Manged can I ask what was wrong with his BLM explanation? I didn't think it was great but I also didn't think it was offensive. I thought where he went wrong was supposing that all people who say #ALM have just misunderstood BLM. There's of course s deeper conflict concerning privilege

[blueapple_x]

Damn IDB seems dead as hell. Somebody bring up more topics!

It's weird because when they were actually on tour in the US I think we had more things to talk about...be it fan encounters, tatinof things, complaining or rehashing old topics (which people are scared/intimidated to do because other people complain about it sometimes).

Anyway, the react video was pretty meh for me. Glad D+P seemed to get more screen time this time though.

D+P are going to Australia next week so we'll likely only get the undertale video next week and Dan's liveshow (unless Phil posts a video too).

[Lurktacularr]

Not to mention, we're talking here about the dude that felt the need to preface his Punk Edits vid with a speech about cultural appropriation. BOY. Check yoself.

He also did that for the lad video

Both those were total jokes tho, weren't they? As in he wasn't in any way serious and I don't get why everyone seems to think that he was.

You can tell by his tone, or just generally by how absurd those statements are. Way I see it he's being knowingly ridiculous, in order to low-key make fun of the kind of people who are quick to yell "cultural appropriation!!!" even in cases when it isn't really applicable (few punks or lads cry themselves to sleep over other people trying out their style; lad appropriation is not a thing).

Yeah no you're completely right, I didn't mean to imply he did it seriously. I /do/ think the kid engages in some serious arse-covering though. When he says stuff like that, I feel like he makes it clear (like you say, through his tone) he knows he's being kind of absurd, but at the same time he still says it just to cover himself. I suppose I'm referring more to the punk edits than the lad vid here.

I think it might actually stem from what manged is saying - he doesn't fully understand the topic. So if he thinks it /might/ be dodgy he'll give it a jokey caveat. Its a common trick for him.

Anyway I just meant to say that for someone who's at least pretty socially conscious (if not totally clued up) its unusual for him to make a joke out of something other people take seriously and enjoy. Maybe its more appropriate to liken it to how he talks about other fandoms and not to shit on them, their ships, their droughts etc. Making a running joke about being a furry cos it would be lolsofunnyandquirky just seems pretty dry by his usual standards.

Reacts vid - kind of blah, but that's par for the course on that channel these days.

[Kathrynxjane]

All I can say wtf is that video they reacted too!?
And Dan looks good in White. I wish he wore it more often! Like Phil looked great in the Black Papyrus tshirt!

[manged]

Manged can I ask what was wrong with his BLM explanation? I didn't think it was great but I also didn't think it was offensive. I thought where he went wrong was supposing that all people who say #ALM have just misunderstood BLM. There's of course s deeper conflict concerning privilege

I mean yeah basically. He left it off at people missing the implicit "too", didn't he? I'd say that's the case for many who use ALM, but ALM is also used to silence the BLM movement. And the fact that there needs to be an implicit "too" for many people to understand it, because they can't simply stand for black lives is an issue in itself, but I won't place that on Dan.

[jaej]

my stance is generally 'dan is pretty socially aware for a white guy but also white guys don't HAVE to be very socially aware based just on how our society works so him being better than average still isn't saying that much really'

[SquishPhan]

I enjoyed this vid, we even got a brexit mention.
Also I disagree with Dan that the vid they are reacting to has no clear side, because it seemed pretty anti Trump to me.

[NarrysCanary]

Not to mention, we're talking here about the dude that felt the need to preface his Punk Edits vid with a speech about cultural appropriation. BOY. Check yoself.

He also did that for the lad video

Both those were total jokes tho, weren't they? As in he wasn't in any way serious and I don't get why everyone seems to think that he was.

Yes, I didn't mean to say he wasn't joking

[DryCereal]

I enjoyed this vid, we even got a brexit mention.
Also I disagree with Dan that the vid they are reacting to has no clear side, because it seemed pretty anti Trump to me.

Phil's face at that point though. I s2g, if we don't get him saying something contradictory in the extras vid...
Phil. Engage mouth as well as brain. C'mon.

[bluebox-away]

I enjoyed this vid, we even got a brexit mention.
Also I disagree with Dan that the vid they are reacting to has no clear side, because it seemed pretty anti Trump to me.

Phil's face at that point though. I s2g, if we don't get him saying something contradictory in the extras vid...
Phil. Engage mouth as well as brain. C'mon.

I could feel him squirming over this being a political video, can't have politics getting in the way of the AmazingPhil branding now can we

Was very amused by them both waving their arms around in the 'no one thought it would happen' Brexit part though, just hoping they might get more political in the extras? Probs not though lets be real..

[NarrysCanary]

I enjoyed this vid, we even got a brexit mention.
Also I disagree with Dan that the vid they are reacting to has no clear side, because it seemed pretty anti Trump to me.

Phil's face at that point though. I s2g, if we don't get him saying something contradictory in the extras vid...
Phil. Engage mouth as well as brain. C'mon.

I could feel him squirming over this being a political video, can't have politics getting in the way of the AmazingPhil branding now can we

Was very amused by them both waving their arms around in the 'no one thought it would happen' Brexit part though, just hoping they might get more political in the extras? Props not though lets be real..

I didn't notice his face the first time but now some of you pointed it out, it's pretty obvious that he was not comfortable with the subject of the video and him being opinionless

[DryCereal]

Secret Trump supporter Philly!

[SquishPhan]

I enjoyed this vid, we even got a brexit mention.
Also I disagree with Dan that the vid they are reacting to has no clear side, because it seemed pretty anti Trump to me.

Phil's face at that point though. I s2g, if we don't get him saying something contradictory in the extras vid...
Phil. Engage mouth as well as brain. C'mon.

Indeed, hope to see some more in the extras. Please Phil.

[itsonlybeth]

The Youtubers React was alright, at 5:50 I thought Phil looked on the edge of saying something but it wasn't put in. I could have done with Dan shutting up and looking intently at Phil to see if he would 'express an opinion.' But then Dan has always appeared to be the spokesperson whenever they're being interviewed together. I would love to see Phil really speak his mind during an interview soon.

[Ticia]

I enjoyed this vid, we even got a brexit mention.
Also I disagree with Dan that the vid they are reacting to has no clear side, because it seemed pretty anti Trump to me.

Phil's face at that point though. I s2g, if we don't get him saying something contradictory in the extras vid...
Phil. Engage mouth as well as brain. C'mon.

I could feel him squirming over this being a political video, can't have politics getting in the way of the AmazingPhil branding now can we

Was very amused by them both waving their arms around in the 'no one thought it would happen' Brexit part though, just hoping they might get more political in the extras? Props not though lets be real..

I didn't notice his face the first time but now some of you pointed it out, it's pretty obvious that he was not comfortable with the subject of the video and him being opinionless

There were moments when Phil clearly wanted to intervene but it got cut off the video / by Dan (05:51 onwards, also kind of 06:22 onwards), so I wouldn't say he entirely wanted to stay out of the politics topic. It's just that Brexit is a sensitive topic for him (maybe he voted leave?).

[swofro]

I truly have no opinions about that Trump video, I don't really get it tbh. I kinda agree with Dan and Oli that it might have no stan at all and just for gags but maybe that is because I don't get the vid. So

Point for Brexit mention.

FBE cutting the video when Phil is starting to say something makes me a bit angry. give us those opinionated Phil, please, there's too little of it!!!

[Anonymousse]

All I got from the React video was:
Tan Dan!


(I'm back... kind of)

[felucca]

Not to mention, we're talking here about the dude that felt the need to preface his Punk Edits vid with a speech about cultural appropriation. BOY. Check yoself.

He also did that for the lad video

Both those were total jokes tho, weren't they? As in he wasn't in any way serious and I don't get why everyone seems to think that he was.

You can tell by his tone, or just generally by how absurd those statements are. Way I see it he's being knowingly ridiculous, in order to low-key make fun of the kind of people who are quick to yell "cultural appropriation!!!" even in cases when it isn't really applicable (few punks or lads cry themselves to sleep over other people trying out their style; lad appropriation is not a thing).

Yeah no you're completely right, I didn't mean to imply he did it seriously. I /do/ think the kid engages in some serious arse-covering though. When he says stuff like that, I feel like he makes it clear (like you say, through his tone) he knows he's being kind of absurd, but at the same time he still says it just to cover himself. I suppose I'm referring more to the punk edits than the lad vid here.

I think it might actually stem from what manged is saying - he doesn't fully understand the topic. So if he thinks it /might/ be dodgy he'll give it a jokey caveat. Its a common trick for him.

Anyway I just meant to say that for someone who's at least pretty socially conscious (if not totally clued up) its unusual for him to make a joke out of something other people take seriously and enjoy. Maybe its more appropriate to liken it to how he talks about other fandoms and not to shit on them, their ships, their droughts etc. Making a running joke about being a furry cos it would be lolsofunnyandquirky just seems pretty dry by his usual standards.

Haha yeah true, boy's got a very strange mix of no opinions/actually lots of opinions but hurriedly explained with a thousand disclaimers to cover that bootay. I guess he's learnt to be vague on purpose, always giving the viewer the choice to think of what he said as a joke even when it might not actually be.

I never really thought about it before you said it but it IS kind of weird for Dan to have made furries into a "thing" now - it's not something he does to any other groups of people, that I can think of. And as of late, I've got a bunch of them feeling hopeful in my comment section:


(video)

BOY. Check yoself.

[NarrysCanary]

I truly have no opinions about that Trump video, I don't really get it tbh. I kinda agree with Dan and Oli that it might have no stan at all and just for gags but maybe that is because I don't get the vid. So

Point for Brexit mention.

FBE cutting the video when Phil is starting to say something makes me a bit angry. give us those opinionated Phil, please, there's too little of it!!!

What if Phil actually asked to be cut out when he gives opinions like this

[notworthreading]

Manged can I ask what was wrong with his BLM explanation? I didn't think it was great but I also didn't think it was offensive. I thought where he went wrong was supposing that all people who say #ALM have just misunderstood BLM. There's of course s deeper conflict concerning privilege

I mean yeah basically. He left it off at people missing the implicit "too", didn't he? I'd say that's the case for many who use ALM, but ALM is also used to silence the BLM movement. And the fact that there needs to be an implicit "too" for many people to understand it, because they can't simply stand for black lives is an issue in itself, but I won't place that on Dan.

It's always the thing with Dan, isn't it? Same shit happened when Caitlyn Jenner came out as transgender and her trash ex-son in law (or something like that) misgendered her on purpose and Dan said in a ls that the guy probably didn't mean anything bad, but since he knew her as a man, he just had trouble adapting to the new situation. Like, um, yeah sure Dan,whatever you say.
I can't tell if that's Dan being too scared of giving a firm opinion and thus staying on middle ground as a safety measure or how he actually is,which if that's the case, makes me like him less.

As someone who claims to love reflecting about the meaning of the universe and humanity he has to know that some peope are just vicious.It's not about misunderstanding, it's about hate and self-entitlement as priviledged members of society. There is no need to always play devil's advocate because that's not a good look. I'd honestly prefered if, just like Phil, he'd abstain of giving his opinion if it's only ever half-assed.

[Lurktacularr]

Not to mention, we're talking here about the dude that felt the need to preface his Punk Edits vid with a speech about cultural appropriation. BOY. Check yoself.

He also did that for the lad video

Both those were total jokes tho, weren't they? As in he wasn't in any way serious and I don't get why everyone seems to think that he was.

You can tell by his tone, or just generally by how absurd those statements are. Way I see it he's being knowingly ridiculous, in order to low-key make fun of the kind of people who are quick to yell "cultural appropriation!!!" even in cases when it isn't really applicable (few punks or lads cry themselves to sleep over other people trying out their style; lad appropriation is not a thing).

Yeah no you're completely right, I didn't mean to imply he did it seriously. I /do/ think the kid engages in some serious arse-covering though. When he says stuff like that, I feel like he makes it clear (like you say, through his tone) he knows he's being kind of absurd, but at the same time he still says it just to cover himself. I suppose I'm referring more to the punk edits than the lad vid here.

I think it might actually stem from what manged is saying - he doesn't fully understand the topic. So if he thinks it /might/ be dodgy he'll give it a jokey caveat. Its a common trick for him.

Anyway I just meant to say that for someone who's at least pretty socially conscious (if not totally clued up) its unusual for him to make a joke out of something other people take seriously and enjoy. Maybe its more appropriate to liken it to how he talks about other fandoms and not to shit on them, their ships, their droughts etc. Making a running joke about being a furry cos it would be lolsofunnyandquirky just seems pretty dry by his usual standards.

Haha yeah true, boy's got a very strange mix of no opinions/actually lots of opinions but hurriedly explained with a thousand disclaimers to cover that bootay. I guess he's learnt to be vague on purpose, always giving the viewer the choice to think of what he said as a joke even when it might not actually be.

I never really thought about it before you said it but it IS kind of weird for Dan to have made furries into a "thing" now - it's not something he does to any other groups of people, that I can think of. And as of late, I've got a bunch of them feeling hopeful in my comment section:


(video)

BOY. Check yoself.

DUDE. That's fucked up. Can we coin the term furry-baiting?

[itsonlybeth]

Manged can I ask what was wrong with his BLM explanation? I didn't think it was great but I also didn't think it was offensive. I thought where he went wrong was supposing that all people who say #ALM have just misunderstood BLM. There's of course s deeper conflict concerning privilege

I mean yeah basically. He left it off at people missing the implicit "too", didn't he? I'd say that's the case for many who use ALM, but ALM is also used to silence the BLM movement. And the fact that there needs to be an implicit "too" for many people to understand it, because they can't simply stand for black lives is an issue in itself, but I won't place that on Dan.

It's always the thing with Dan, isn't it? Same shit happened when Caitlyn Jenner came out as transgender and her trash ex-son in law (or something like that) misgendered her on purpose and Dan said in a ls that the guy probably didn't mean anything bad, but since he knew her as a man, he just had trouble adapting to the new situation. Like, um, yeah sure Dan,whatever you say.
I can't tell if that's Dan being too scared of giving a firm opinion and thus staying on middle ground as a safety measure or how he actually is,which if that's the case, makes me like him less.

As someone who claims to love reflecting about the meaning of the universe and humanity he has to know that some peope are just vicious.It's not about misunderstanding, it's about hate and self-entitlement as priviledged members of society. There is no need to always play devil's advocate because that's not a good look. I'd honestly prefered if, just like Phil, he'd abstain of giving his opinion if it's only ever half-assed.

The thing is, because Dan is just that bit more open about his opinions than Phil, as a fandom we expect him to speak his mind on a huge range of topics. He must feel an enormous amount of pressure to say the 'right thing' but also offer an educated opinion. So really, can you blame him for wanting to stay on some sort of middle ground? Giving any sort of strong opinion means thousands of fans jumping down his throat, and that would terrify me if I were him. He has a huge influence on his audience and I'm sure he's well aware of that; as a result, he must be wary of being opinionated publicly. Playing it safe when it comes to politics and society is probably a smart move for his career, and he knows that people would hold a 'wrong' opinion against him.

[Lurktacularr]

[offtopic]Soz to OT, but this just came up on autoplay and has had me howling at it on repeat for a solid 10 mins:

Featuring a sassy Phil, general chaos and some A+ Dan laughs (notably at 1:20)

May well be in my top 5 radio show moments

Speaking of... WHO'S EXCITED FOR THE (PROBABLE) RETURN OF THE RADIO SHOW??[/offtopic]