Dan & Phil Part 102: crisis twinks

Morganaa · Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:48 pm

ayo, so I'm the controversial bitch here just for bein straight up, (as somebody pointed out earlier, which really surprised me in a good way, for sayin I'm brave to be basically dumping myself out there to be torn apart by hardcore fans) the only one here who denies to sugarcoat everythin, bein called rasist because I don't agree with BLM movement causing riots, and also bein called homophobic coz of sayin "some gays".

yet, he can shame everyone for bein born earlier than him, and it's all fine, coz he only sees his government bein "evil old fucks". well, just a few more years, hun... and you're gonna be a "boomer" just like them. already has the agin signs of your face, on the close ups it's real visible his 20's have passed, and he's starting to get old. since he came out he only really talks about one thing(the super duper pride of bein gay) which I already said gets REALLY borin(well, you gotta admit,it seems like he just ran out of topics to talk about, so he's just gonna say one thing over and over again, "shippers" ain't gonna care)! and while talkin about empowerin and tryin to help people through depression, he tweets shit like this, shaming someone for bein older...

yeah, I know I know. his defense unit's gonna come and use an argument of "oh, but he only means the government, he doesn't shame anyone else, he surely meant somethin else, yada yada yada"... yeah, I ain't buyin it. if everyone else(on this forum, I basically mean myself) gotta watch for "political correctness" all the time and carefully pick their every word, and like I said, not bein allowed to be straight forward, but gotta sugarcoat everythin to make sure nobody gets "hurt" and not calls you homophobic and not to be called out for general discrimination... that feels kinda both cynical and hypocritical, don't you think?

Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:09 pm

Morganaa wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 6:48 pm ayo, so I'm the controversial bitch here just for bein straight up, (as somebody pointed out earlier, which really surprised me in a good way, for sayin I'm brave to be basically dumping myself out there to be torn apart by hardcore fans) the only one here who denies to sugarcoat everythin, bein called rasist because I don't agree with BLM movement causing riots, and also bein called homophobic coz of sayin "some gays".

yet, he can shame everyone for bein born earlier than him, and it's all fine, coz he only sees his government bein "evil old fucks". well, just a few more years, hun... and you're gonna be a "boomer" just like them. already has the agin signs of your face, on the close ups it's real visible his 20's have passed, and he's starting to get old. since he came out he only really talks about one thing(the super duper pride of bein gay) which I already said gets REALLY borin(well, you gotta admit,it seems like he just ran out of topics to talk about, so he's just gonna say one thing over and over again, "shippers" ain't gonna care)! and while talkin about empowerin and tryin to help people through depression, he tweets shit like this, shaming someone for bein older...

yeah, I know I know. his defense unit's gonna come and use an argument of "oh, but he only means the government, he doesn't shame anyone else, he surely meant somethin else, yada yada yada"... yeah, I ain't buyin it. if everyone else(on this forum, I basically mean myself) gotta watch for "political correctness" all the time and carefully pick their every word, and like I said, not bein allowed to be straight forward, but gotta sugarcoat everythin to make sure nobody gets "hurt" and not calls you homophobic and not to be called out for general discrimination... that feels kinda both cynical and hypocritical, don't you think?

I'm not sure if you actually read the couple of posts before yours, but if you go back to the previous page and look at the reactions you'll see that the only two posts responding to Dan's tweet so far were criticizing it.

Morganaa · Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm

I admit - I read one of the posts before - mainly because they were added while I was writing mine but the line of one of them - "I'm sure he felt the need to say something, and I don't blame him for that" just drove my reaction further, frankly.

LAshleigh · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:13 pm

Morganaa wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 7:24 pm I admit - I read one of the posts before - mainly because they were added while I was writing mine but the line of one of them - "I'm sure he felt the need to say something, and I don't blame him for that" just drove my reaction further, frankly.

Just to clarify, what I meant was that I understand the pressure/desire to say something during a tragic time like this, especially as a public figure that people look to for hope and leadership. I'm sure that he felt like he had to post something, and post it quickly, to show solidarity for those mourning in the US (and more broadly, those facing oppression around the world right now).

That doesn't change the fact that I think his specific tweet came across as ageist, unhelpful and factually incorrect. I just recognize that tensions and emotions are high right now, and sometimes when you want to help during times like these you can mess up.

Morganaa · Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:40 pm

ok. although, I wouldn't called him a "public figure" - in reality, he's just one of MANY past YouTubers and influencer really and I don't know why would anyone expect a "leadership" from him(unless they're very young and don't really understand all that's goin on right now), but alright. I get what you meant, I admit again I misunderstood that line. the truth is, everyone active on social media right now is kinda expected to say somethin about the world's situation, no matter who they are.... even me, for example - I'm an american but have polish roots - and Poland is a country that borders with both Russia and Ukraine, the two countries bein in the middle of the conflict, inflation and generally difficult times - not only here in the us(but we are very much affected... after I kinda recently paid almost 8 BUCKS for diesel oil on shell gas station...). since I have roots there and been there a couple of times(although don't really know the culture well, let alone things like language, etc.), I've been asked multiple times on my fb profile about what I think about this all...
but yet again, I gotta get this back to you, and say I misunderstood what you tried to say. thank you for clarifyin.

Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:48 pm

lefthandedism wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:49 pm While I'm gutted by what the radical right has been doing to the United States, I still have room to be annoyed at Dan for his knee-jerk (and in this case quite uninformed) ageism.

The US won the national right to abortion 50 years ago, and the young people who pushed for it then are....old now. Clearly this is not a generational thing, and a tiny bit of googling would reveal that most Americans support some sort of access to abortion.

Anyway, let's hope we get something distracting soon .

Yeah it's kinda disappointing seeing a repeat of this take on things, I had hoped he would've become a bit more informed and it makes me question where he gets his political info. Does he not realize that the age gap between him and Coney Barrett is not that much bigger than the one between him and some of his youngest viewers? Dan honey, you're not seated at the kids table anymore.

Some of the most radically conservative and hateful people I've seen in the past few years are around my age. In my country it's the educated 'modern' young women (my fellow white cishets being disappointing as usual) and basic incels who look okay in a suit, that are currently leading new 'discussions' about abortion, euthanasia, lgbtq+ rights, etc. for a new generation. Since the majority of the Dutch population is secular they're moving away from the religious aspect as well (though those extremist Christian movements are still very much involved). Armed with a ton of misinformation and sketchy social media algorithms they're betting on brainwashing young people by showing fake pictures of a fetus. Add some fear mongering about how it's actually immigrants who want to take women's rights away, and they even get elected. Bigots are evil, not stupid. And definitely not all old.

Fri Jun 24, 2022 9:34 pm

Catallena wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 8:48 pm
lefthandedism wrote: Fri Jun 24, 2022 5:49 pm While I'm gutted by what the radical right has been doing to the United States, I still have room to be annoyed at Dan for his knee-jerk (and in this case quite uninformed) ageism.

The US won the national right to abortion 50 years ago, and the young people who pushed for it then are....old now. Clearly this is not a generational thing, and a tiny bit of googling would reveal that most Americans support some sort of access to abortion.

Anyway, let's hope we get something distracting soon .
Yeah it's kinda disappointing seeing a repeat of this take on things, I had hoped he would've become a bit more informed and it makes me question where he gets his political info. Does he not realize that the age gap between him and Coney Barrett is not that much bigger than the one between him and some of his youngest viewers? Dan honey, you're not seated at the kids table anymore.

Some of the most radically conservative and hateful people I've seen in the past few years are around my age. In my country it's the educated 'modern' young women (my fellow white cishets being disappointing as usual) and basic incels who look okay in a suit, that are currently leading new 'discussions' about abortion, euthanasia, lgbtq+ rights, etc. for a new generation. Since the majority of the Dutch population is secular they're moving away from the religious aspect as well (though those extremist Christian movements are still very much involved). Armed with a ton of misinformation and sketchy social media algorithms they're betting on brainwashing young people by showing fake pictures of a fetus. Add some fear mongering about how it's actually immigrants who want to take women's rights away, and they even get elected. Bigots are evil, not stupid. And definitely not all old.

I agree with all of these points.

But I will say I appreciate him trying to be encouraging, at least. All of the bleak "voting doesn't matter" and "this is the fault of liberals" makes me feel absolutely gut punched because the only way to ensure things get worse is to act like all of the actions people are taking now isn't doing anything. Just because we can't hold ground on every issue all of the time doesn't mean we aren't still holding ground against a lot of miserable things that some groups in power would love to see happen.

I do really just wish he'd find a way to be encouraging and uplifting of the younger generation without acting like waiting is all that needs to happen, or that - as lefthandedism said - there aren't also people that have been fighting for these rights for the past thirty, forty, fifty years.

starsandshards · Mon Jun 27, 2022 11:59 am

It is quite reductive, if that's the right word (sorry, brain fog absolutely plaguing me lately). Sometimes it would be better to say nothing than to say something and come across how he did. I fully stand by his right to post what he wants, though, just like we have a right to frown at it.

plinthofmylife · Mon Jun 27, 2022 3:21 pm

I absolutely get the need to "say something" but the folks that have been doing the work and organizing laying the ground to continue abortion access after RvW is overturned - the lawyers, the funds, the escorts - are by and large gen x and boomers.

Anyway, don't need to belabor the point here as it's been made several times.

It would be great if before Dan comes to the US, though, he researches some of the anti-GLBTQ+ and trans laws and some of the orgs that are working to fight if Lawrence V Texas (overturned "sodomy" laws) and Obergefell v Hodges (gay marriage) gets overturned, which it is possible they will be as many are built on the same precedent (right to privacy in the due process clause of the 14th amendment) that Roe was.

I'd really like a fluffy chaotic Phil video to help heal the wound in my soul. It's been a really shit week in the US.

Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:15 pm

New membership post - I'll put the text of the whole thing here under the spoiler but the tl;dr is

- wisdom teeth out soon
- dizzy spells still happening, he's seeing another specialist
- they saw Joe Lycett at the Hammersmith Apollo theater over the weekend
- he's about to start filming the next video
- this months youtube members money is being donated to https://brigidalliance.org/

Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:27 pm

I feel like he's been talking about needing to get his wisdom teeth out for years now. Does he keep switching dentists to avoid it or something?

Happy for him that's he's starting to have more good days with his dizziness problem. Hope that specialist can help him some more with that.

I know people in the past (and I'm sure now too just not in my bubble) have been frustrated with Phil and him rarely ever talking about serious subjects and taking action, but I can get behind him just donating money and letting us know rather than Dan's style of putting his foot in his mouth whenever he tries.

onceinaugust · Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:29 pm

A friend of mine was having constant dizzy spells that the doctors thought were due to Meniere's Disease because nothing was showing on an MRI, but then he had his wisdom teeth taken out and his dizziness disappeared completely. Here's hoping it's something easy like that for Phil!

Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:32 pm

Thanks for the jumpscare and my future nightmares.

Mon Jun 27, 2022 8:10 pm

Phil reposted the MRI to his Instastories, along with this pic of a whole lot of bread.

starsandshards · Tue Jun 28, 2022 9:45 am

That MRI pic oh my god.

I absolutely lost it.

Thank you for sharing the members post! I'm warmed that he's donating, a very quiet statement, but a supportive one.

dontpanic · Tue Jun 28, 2022 1:45 pm

I love that we now know Philly's got deviated septum. bby 100% snores don't he?

kavat · Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:10 pm

Cute new merch photos of Sarah

and I guess Dan too.

Tue Jun 28, 2022 11:41 pm

Phil is again very bold sharing medical scans on the internet.

Also Dan posted a couple of other stories! One about working on a pride outfit. I really, really hope Phil goes too. We deserve their hot boy gay summer selfies. Individually if they don't feel like blessing us with one together.

Also the wisdom teeth/dizziness correlation - dang, I had no idea about that. I wouldn't be surprised if the removal isn't an avenue he's exploring since it sounds like nothing else is working. I really hope he can get some relief soon.

Wed Jun 29, 2022 12:43 am

Aforementioned Instastories from Dan:

Megancita75 · Wed Jun 29, 2022 6:10 pm

onceinaugust wrote: Mon Jun 27, 2022 7:29 pm A friend of mine was having constant dizzy spells that the doctors thought were due to Meniere's Disease because nothing was showing on an MRI, but then he had his wisdom teeth taken out and his dizziness disappeared completely. Here's hoping it's something easy like that for Phil!

Oh, I like this theory! I'm sure Phil is getting good care, but at this point I feel invested in him figuring it out because I feel like we've all been following him along on this medical mystery and now I crave it being solved (even though I know, from personal experience, that does not always happen and sometimes you just have to adjust to a new normal).

I really, really hope tonight's show with Dan goes well, for my nerves and his. I want the audience to be entertained, but I also want it to be a success in whatever way he defines that. I went to a show this weekend with about 200 people in the audience and the comedian/storyteller did a lot of crowd interaction and crowd work, which took a whole lot of improvisational confidence but also added this really spontaneous element to the show that was exciting. So now I'm super curious if Dan will incorporate any off-the-cuff type of interactions into the show or if it will be very scripted; I'll also be interested to see what differences there might be between the first and second performance, both in terms of content and energy.

Good vibes to them both

A Rat Backwards · Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:08 pm

Hi all! Long time lurker, first time poster here - getting home from a Dan Howell show seems like as good a time as any to pop my IDB cherry!

I wasn’t sure what to expect when I got my ticket - I only became aware of Dan and Phil in their post-coming-out universe, so never saw either of their stage shows. My (hopefully not too spoilery) review of this one is that Dan is a very charismatic and assured live performer, I laughed a lot, and the show was about 50-50 straightforward standup vs. a bit more audience interaction, with some off-the-cuff stuff sprinkled throughout. I think you can draw a through line from some of the online live stuff he’s done in the last few years to the setpieces in this show - there are a bunch of nods and winks to the fans, but it works as a queer/digital culture-focused show more broadly.

I’d be interested to see how much of the material makes it to the main tour - I think it went on for about 80mins and didn’t feel like it flagged, though some of the tonal shifts between serious and bantery stuff might need smoothing out beyond a Pride month context.

And the audience was very vocal and funny, there was a lot of good natured heckling and interaction, Dan himself is unbelievably tall, the Soho Theatre is a great venue, and at least two internet memes kind of came true in real life.

Megancita75 · Thu Jun 30, 2022 12:22 am

A Rat Backwards, welcome! Thank you so much for the review! I love that he interacted with the crowd and that they responded. And thanks for the analysis of the show - tonal shifts are a fine balance but I really love a show where a performer can bring you along for that. Phil’s membership post the other day mentioned a Joe Lycett show, and I wasn’t familiar with him at all, so I went and read some reviews of the show Phil was at and it sounded like he did something similar and really took the audience on an emotional journey, while being funny and light too. It makes me wonder now what influences Dan has and what other performers he admires. So excited for the video now!

kavat · Thu Jun 30, 2022 6:49 am

It's been really fun reading the reactions and reviews of people who went, it seemed like a lot of fun! I think this was a great way for him to ease his way into live performances again, and in the PCOU. I can only remember that vidcon set he did just after coming out.

He is still such a theater kid and he belongs on a stage!

Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:13 pm

A Rat Backwards wrote: Wed Jun 29, 2022 11:08 pm Hi all! Long time lurker, first time poster here - getting home from a Dan Howell show seems like as good a time as any to pop my IDB cherry!

I wasn’t sure what to expect when I got my ticket - I only became aware of Dan and Phil in their post-coming-out universe, so never saw either of their stage shows. My (hopefully not too spoilery) review of this one is that Dan is a very charismatic and assured live performer, I laughed a lot, and the show was about 50-50 straightforward standup vs. a bit more audience interaction, with some off-the-cuff stuff sprinkled throughout. I think you can draw a through line from some of the online live stuff he’s done in the last few years to the setpieces in this show - there are a bunch of nods and winks to the fans, but it works as a queer/digital culture-focused show more broadly.

I’d be interested to see how much of the material makes it to the main tour - I think it went on for about 80mins and didn’t feel like it flagged, though some of the tonal shifts between serious and bantery stuff might need smoothing out beyond a Pride month context.

And the audience was very vocal and funny, there was a lot of good natured heckling and interaction, Dan himself is unbelievably tall, the Soho Theatre is a great venue, and at least two internet memes kind of came true in real life.

Oh I love this review so much!! Are you going the second night too? I'm very curious what he changes, if anything.

A Rat Backwards · Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:29 pm

alittledizzy wrote: Thu Jun 30, 2022 3:13 pm Oh I love this review so much!! Are you going the second night too? I'm very curious what he changes, if anything.

I am not - though if this show is being filmed on both nights, I imagine it would probably adhere to the same structure to make up for the couple of technical blips from last night.

The Joe Lycett comparison sounds quite apt - he's definitely going for the ~emotional journey vibe. The current material requires quite a lot of prior Dan knowledge though, it might be the sort of thing that gets fleshed out more on a tour where less ardent fans are in attendance.