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For months I’ve thought all talk of a mukbang was very hopeful, don’t want to rain on the parade, though. I miss Dan more than them jointly, but I’d love it too.

I don't know if I want a joint mukbang, because I felt like Dan wasn't really comfortable with doing it (seemed to be related to eating in front of the camera, if I remember correctly), and that made it slightly uncomfortable for me to watch, even though, in theory, I love the idea. I'm definitely signed up to a solo Phil mukbang, because he seemed to be a lot more keen on the concept and happy with doing it. In terms of joint content, I just wonder if it would be better if they just chatted with perhaps a cup of coffee or hot chocolate or something and that might be less difficult for Dan than a full-on meal. Or something else entirely for them to do together whilst chatting.

Joint mukbang is out I think as Phil's next video is him attempting something he's not done before

I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, but I admire some people's faith in Dan returning to youtube. I don't think he will, he's been pretty much done for a year and a half now, BIG aside - but that was 6 months ago. It's clear to me he doesn't like the platform and it's not his focus and i'm at the point where i don't think he should come back.

That said, everytime Phil mentions the past tense for one of the joint traditions (baking being the latest one in the liveshow) I just get sad. I've lost hope for the mukbang as well, because I just don't think Dan wants to be on youtube and even less so he doesn't want to be on Phil's channel

I have a strong feeling - now more than ever - that we won’t see Dan’s face in a video ever again. Idk man, I really thought we would get a mukbang or a joint vid before Xmas but that’s not gonna happen, also Dan has not posted on dinof since BIG. I feel like whatever his project is, it won’t be YouTube-related and mind you, I was always one of those who used to roll their eyes whenever those ‘Dan is done with YouTube’ theories popped up. I just wish they didn’t say things ‘nothing’s gonna change’ or talk about the possibility of a yearly mukbang when they did their last 2018 liveshow because it’s exhausting to hope for nothing. Anyway sorry I am too bitter now probably and I don’t wanna ruin anyone’s mood but I needed to rant a bit.

All dnp do is lie uh? They specifically said mukbang would become the new tradition but I get it, how can it become a tradition when joint content is dead and they can't even show up in the same frame for one second

This is the second year in row where the last liveshow of the year is a disappointment of crushed expectations

You can mark that as the first time I got a Phil response... and hated it.

RIP joint content, I guess. Ugh.

liola wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 8:29 pm I'm not trying to be snarky or anything, but I admire some people's faith in Dan returning to youtube. I don't think he will, he's been pretty much done for a year and a half now, BIG aside - but that was 6 months ago. It's clear to me he doesn't like the platform and it's not his focus and i'm at the point where i don't think he should come back.

That said, everytime Phil mentions the past tense for one of the joint traditions (baking being the latest one in the liveshow) I just get sad. I've lost hope for the mukbang as well, because I just don't think Dan wants to be on youtube and even less so he doesn't want to be on Phil's channel

I don’t mind being a bit snarky... I think he’ll get over his creative holdout or issues with the platform once merch sales dwindle and Phil’s solo income doesn’t cut it—if they want to fund a future home or produce another project, that’s when we’ll see his return.

Phil’s casual “when we did baking” and “no the mukbang isn’t going to be a tradition” today made me wonder: does he know he’s crushing people’s hopes and dreams and doesn’t want to make a big deal of it, or does he actually have no clue? I mean, we obviously knew the majority of their last joint live show was a lie (“nothing’s gonna change” lol) but a looooot of people seemed to hold onto the mukbang as a beacon of hope. And he’s just like “nope” and moves on. It’s kind of funny.

Even though I was fully expecting no mukbang (or baking) myself, hearing him confirm that still made feel like

I couldn’t remember what they’d said about doing a mukbang again or it becoming a new tradition, only remembered Phil saying he enjoyed doing it, so I wasn’t sure where so much phandom hope had come from. I was enjoying the liveshow a fair bit more before he answered that and explained they were just trying it, or something. Not what he said last year, then, and why has it taken a year for an answer, has no one asked him somewhere visible until that moment? I don’t think we did know last year’s info of ‘nothing’s gonna change’ was a lie, that only became apparent later, whether they knew it fully at the time or not.

It’s a shame and also if Dan doesn’t return in any joint video cos by now I’d be surprised that they don’t know where they stand, though maybe they don’t, only they know if they do or are still unsure, but for gods’ sake can they tell us things promptly and not keep us wondering. I sometimes have to remind myself that this is it, there’s no other info coming except Dan’s project, we might not be given a definite answer on even occasional joint content, but it would be nice.

Other than that, was a nice liveshow, shame he kinda ruined the mood. The dog story was lovely, the festive fails were funny, I was less bothered about the quiz, I don’t need to remember my career burnout. It was nice to see him, his quite grey eyes against that lake photo and his snazzy new space shirt (very fitting for a Star Wars premiere, Mr Philip?)

All I can hope for now is that something I never thought would happen does. I never thought they would come out, but they did.

My happiness at him responding to my Brooklyn Nine Nine question was so, so short lived as now I'm just...disappointed and upset. If they hadn't made it seem like mukbangs would be this like, end of the year wrap up thing (which they basically literally said!!) I wouldn't be as upset.

Another check in the ‘disappointed but not surprised’ column; I think I have to agree with everyone above saying it’s not likely we’ll see them in a video together again (little off-screen things like in Phil’s last vid notwithstanding). Sad as hell, but good to have expectations properly set as we go into 2020, I guess. I held out hope for the entire year, but I don’t think I can keep doing so any more. I’ll still follow whatever it is they get up to in the future, I’m sure.

I wonder if Phil’s vid will be him making a gingerbread house? (Which would somewhat further twist the knife as people suggested that as something the two of them could do instead of festive baking.) Could be lots of things, though! Either way it’ll be nice to get one more vid before the end of the year.

Poor Phil, having to disappoint us bc Dan dipped.

The only thing I really take issue with is the joint channel because he said he didn’t know what was happening at vidcon and then he said it could come back as a new project right before they left for Japan and I have a hard time believing he doesn’t know what’s going on.
The only thing I can think is that they are holding out on saying it’s dead because they want to have something to fall back on but it’s been clear for a long time now that Dan is done with YouTube.

You know what, I'm just tired of this kind of behaviour. If they didn't promise things and then ignore people' questions for MONTHS, this anxiety of letting down people that makes them deliver the bad news at the last possible moment wouldn't happen. And this feels even worse when they out of the blue joined their merch shops ( which is something they refuse to do all year round even when people ask and it would bring them more sales,) when they know people are begging and waiting for a joint video for the entire year, knowing people have been asking for a mukbang around this time since they themselves first talked about it last year, and then like it's a walk in the park just say no, no mukbang in the last liveshow of the year, again!, when they can then retreat and have the right excuse to avoid their audience for a month.

And I say they because no matter how fucking hard they try, their audience is joined, they built it together, and maybe if they didn't want to both be held accountable they should stop giving mixed signals and start saying the truth like the fact that the joint merch has no purpose still running except when they need to milk the fans' pockets by exploiting festivities and the sappy feelings that always surround the traditions of christmas and dnp. The murder of yet another joint thing when they finished getting money out of fans' pockets right this very week, with the promise of the joint shout out, feels cheap and calculated in a way that their interactions with us never felt.

Do they realize that this method they have of letting us down "gently" actually doesn't work and makes it worse? Are we ever going to have any answer from Dan or are our bitter feelings gonna be taken out on Phil once again?

I'm sad and i hate that once again the last liveshow of the year just fills me with disappointment right before fucking christmas!

Susanisnotafish wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:01 pm Poor Phil, having to disappoint us bc Dan dipped.

This right here.

I'm not saying that Phil isn't responsible for the dodged questions and vagueness, because he is. But once again he's left bearing the brunt of everyone's anger because Dan would like to pretend his audience doesn't exist except for when it's time to sell merch.

It's bullshit.

I remember back in the day Dan prided himself in being more active and communicating woth fans more than most celebrities and now look i feel sorry for Phil having to deliver the bad news and he could tell people were upset and he just ignored everyone :/ we definately aren't going to get any content the rest of this year or january or february and to be honest I am fed up of waiting for him to say something, i don't even care about the project at this moment, becausr why should we? I'm actually in tears now upset that we won't see Dan in a video anymore with no explanation, I have supported him for 6 years and some have supported him for longer and we get nothing!!

Makes it hard to enjoy whenever my Phil merch finally arrives. I was really holding out hope for that mukbang. And there will be no pinof bloopers on Christmas. I’m so sad. Kind of don’t want to hang the ampersand ornament I had them sign on my tree this year.

Yeah this one hurts. I honestly thought, or more like hoped against hope, that they might give us something for Christmas because I’m not sure they’ve ever not, but. Yeah. To be fair to them I’m not that inclined to accuse them of lying in that liveshow last year, because what they said may truly have been what they thought was going to happen then. I’m still committed to that good-faith interpretation, like I was with Dan’s silence in the first half of the year. Things change, plans change. Doesn’t make it much easier though. And I can’t blame people at this point for being annoyed at their lack of then managing to somehow indicate that change of plans unless it’s practically hounded out of them.

Re: Dan, recently I’ve been purposefully clinging to the bit at the end of that merch Tumblr post where mentioned hoping that he could share more of himself in the future (after the project, or?? I suppose he has been a bit more active on social media again after the post, not least because of the Japan holiday though) and mayyybe then he might occasionally want to also appear on yt but I think that’s what we thought could/would happen after BIG too, and whatever this mystery project is (I have zero ideas) it can’t possibly be any bigger so. Who the hell knows with him. I feel like he’s been sending some mixed messages regarding yt which is why I’ve been consistently slightly skeptical of him being fully done on the platform while also understanding where the impression comes from, but again... I don’t know at this point. Sigh.

It’s been a massive year for them, a year full of so many changes, and I’m so, so happy for them for being able to live their life as they want to, but every now and then there are days when I miss Them so much. Especially as a here-originally-because-of-dapg-person. Tonight turned into one of those days for sure. I think I’ve managed to stay fairly positive, not in a delusional way of thinking everything will go back to “normal” but rather in trying to accept the changes and being happy for them (not trying to imply that other reactions and feelings throughout the year have not also been valid). And yeah, seeing them happy on Instagram or whatever does make me happy, and I know I won’t be able to disengage and am not sure I’d even want to. But even then coming to terms with going a whole year without a single joint video is so much more difficult to me than anything about that liveshow last year. I would be happy with so relatively little. Oh well, live your lives, boys. Who knows what the future will bring, and if it’s not anything I personally want I’m sure I’ll be over it eventually.

madzilla84 wrote: Sun Dec 15, 2019 9:01 pm.

I wonder if Phil’s vid will be him making a gingerbread house? (Which would somewhat further twist the knife as people suggested that as something the two of them could do instead of festive baking.) Could be lots of things, though! Either way it’ll be nice to get one more vid before the end of the year.

I'd really like to see that actually. Very festive and just the sort of thing I'd like from him, although I'm kind of a sucker for any Phil content, to be honest.

I haven't watched Phil's liveshow yet, so I don't know what was said, but I can see there's a lot of disappointment and upset in this thread. Maybe the best thing Dan could do now would be to officially announce that he has quit YouTube. That way, on the off-chance he did release a new video at some point, it would be framed as a return to the platform, rather than just sporadic, almost non-existent uploading. I think that would be the more honest thing to do, if he really feels as done with YouTube as others in this thread seem to think he does (I can't remember if he's specifically said or hinted he doesn't like YT anymore). Dan just needs to bite the bullet and be clear about his intentions, because his ambiguity, though no doubt an attempt not to cause anger, only breeds more resentment amongst his followers.

I’m so glad I dipped out of that liveshow while I did.
When it comes to the mukbang I’ve got to say I’m disappointed and I didn’t even think we were gonna get one at all this year. But somehow it made me feel like crap thinking ohh here’s another thing. I’m sad because dan and Phil joint content won’t be returning. I’ve been a believer that the gaming channel won’t return since they said it last year. They said they would return with sap, radio show, dnpg. I see them doing the same thing with the gaming channel as they did with the other two. They will leave it as long as they can till no one brings it up and then it will just be a thing of the past. I’ve felt the separation happen a lot this year. I tried to watch some of there videos really pushing myself to watch them but I couldn’t, I was so disinterested after spending the first half of the year watching on repeat.

In conclusion, I’ll be lucky if I’m part of this phandom in 6 months. I don’t have any hopes or expectations for next year. Literally couldn’t think of a single thing that there will be. Phil will continue to upload ten minute videos / spons and dan will continue to give nothing. If dan didn’t upload his coming out video this year we’d have nothing... oh except a load of merch releases. Just thought I’d throw that dig in there.
Plus I don’t see hearing dan in the back of a phil video as joint content, neither is a blurry photo of them in the background of someone else’s IGS.

Tldr and I’m sure the cycle will continue maybe in a couple weeks we’ll see them at the Star Wars thing or In iom and praise them for looking like boyfriends but we will continue to be disappointed and complain. Ttfn

Yeah this fucking hurts.

Like not even just the news that mukbangs aren't gonna be thing or that baking videos are apparently in the past now too, but the way they're so nonchalant about it. Casually dropping that shit in a liveshow. I hate it. It pisses me off. At least last year they were both on the screen, this time it's just Phil pretending nothing is wrong because Dan is still busy not talking to us for some reason. I don't know if they're genuinely that dense, that bad at communication, or even whether this is their shit attempt at trying to spare our feelings but it's shit. Last year's final disaster liveshow ended somewhat positively, because DAPG was going on hiatus BUT nothing else was changing. They weren't going anywhere. And I'll give Dan a break for January - June 2019, but since then it hasn't been great.

We had Vidcon that gave us a spark of hope about the gaming channel getting rebranded... but now that Phil killed baking and mukbangs that might as well turn out to be yet another hope to be crushed in the future. Then in Phil's DML we were led to believe that their seperation was mostly about big joint projects, but that they would still make the occasional video together while working on their own things. At the time that gave me peace, but I'm obviously not very optimistic anymore since we really only had Dan's voice behind the camera. Implying that mukbangs could become a thing, then ignoring questions about it for months, and finally saying that it was never intended to be a series? DAPG is back y'all. Dan And Phil Gaslighting. I used to just be annoyed at their bad communication, now it hurts.

Not even gonna bother with Dan today. I will always believe that there is a place for him on YouTube that he can make work if he's willing, but obviously he's not so I'm done. Maybe I'll care about whatever his mysterious project is when it drops, but I'm not even sure he wants me to right now.

I kinda zoned out of the liveshow after the mukbang thing and during the Props chest thing I closed the liveshow. Couldn't be bothered with even pretending to care about that at all today.

Before I say this I’m going to say that all your feelings are completely valid.

I will also say that in the last 6 years Dan and Phil have not learnt what communication is. They’ve continuously pulled this shit, never giving a proper answer and leaving it ambiguous.

I haven’t watched the liveshow, nor will I. A sour taste was left in my mouth after the last Dan merch drop tbh. “Buy this expensive pair of socks or a weighted blanket for over £100 because it’s my last merch drop so limited but I haven’t actually interacted with my audience properly in months other than showing off my luxury trip to japan that you all paid for thanks”. There are so many youtubers out there who do actually communicate, who release content (more than once a week even) and who don’t keep their fans at longer than arms length. I do think it’s a shame it’s come to this. I will always like Deps don’t get me wrong but there’s no way I’m being as invested in them when the content is drier than a camels armpit.

Let’s be real it all went downhill when Marianne left

I mean... forget joint content or a return to his channel, Dan can’t even go on YouNow for 45min and talk about music, politics, the weather or whatever and at least be a spokesperson for his own damn updates. It boggles the mind how much for granted he takes this audience. And no doubt (like with the brief reprieve for the Japhan content) eventually he’ll pop up and announce that he’s been pouring his life and soul into some project and hasn’t had a spare minute in over a year, blah blah... and all will be forgiven as we applaud and line up again for merch.