Dan and Phil Part 105: Gay 🧡

[goodbants]

So glad to be back here!! I stopped watching them after the hiatus and I’m honestly kinda glad I did cause I’ve grown as a person and I came back with a fresh perspective. I’ve fallen DEEP into the rabbit hole again and I can relate with everyone who is struggling to function as a normal adult! I almost feel like this has caused some sort of age regression in me.

These two gave me such a surge of dopamine I literally couldn’t sleep on October 13th. I’m tryna detach myself a bit cause I really can’t be as obsessed as I was as a teen. It’s hard gonna be hard tho. After that TikTok, who knows what’s next?? This is just the beginning!

They are gleaming and they are making my heart warmer than ever before

[LAshleigh]

edit: we had questions about embedding twitter and tiktok content.

Thank you Catallena!!

If I start to annoy people with my Twitter/Tiktok updates, please let me know

[RiriPandaHeart2]

Anyway, anyone have tips on how to shake this spell off that they seem to have on me?! I'm a grown ass adult spending my free time re-watching their videos.

NO TIPS PLZ SHARE. I have like, career-defining (country-defining even) stuff happening at work and in my city right now and some part of my brain is just like DAN AND PHIL LET'S WATCH PHANCRACK VIDEOS

Same. I am so distracted at work... And I tell myself... your work affects REAL LIFE people whose life, liberty, and property depends on you actually doing your work. But whenever I open my phone... I just immediately go on Twitter.

[plinthofmylife]

your work affects REAL LIFE people whose life, liberty, and property depends on you actually doing your work. But whenever I open my phone... I just immediately go on Twitter.

Yes!! I am getting my work done but like with half the focus.

In my position, I don't have any social media on my phone but I do on my browser at work because I need social media for my work (journalism) and then I am like OMG IT IS ALL DAN AND PHIL and now my brain is occupied.

[plinthofmylife]

If I start to annoy people with my Twitter/Tiktok updates, please let me know

PLEASE DO ALL OF THEM. I hate going on those apps but also require important updates on my emotional support british gays.

[somelikeitpink]

A dumb question:

Since I just saw that apparently the podcast is even trending in Austria on #2 and I’m desperate to know more phannies here…

Do I remember wrong that once upon a time there was like a map where people could put in where they are?

[abulletinmyhead]

lols I've been a lurker for a long time (since mid 2020, so like 5 years wow time flies o_O) but wowww the new TikTok video is what pushed me over the edge to make an account. as someone who is a post-big (a few days after it uploaded) phannie I actually wasn't sure on the relationship status until the gaming channel revival, and even if they did I wasn't sure theyd ever explicitly confirm beyond what Dan said (I had on my 2025 bingo card they WOULDNT hard launch so I definitely lost a few points), so I am pleasantly surprised and proud as hell they get to be open
but the openness in killing me in a positive way, I cannot handle the couples content I feel like its dropping a nuke directly on me and I bet its even crazier for OG OG phannies

[itsonlybeth]

Hey everyone! Was super active in the phandom in 2015/2016 so naturally I have returned to IDB..

I am finding it super comforting watching their old stuff again as I just moved into my first apartment, and it’s a little too quiet sometimes! I was wondering if anyone knew of an archive of their radio shows? I know phanshows had a load of them but the music is copyrighted

[nøx]

When is it monday again? I need my serotonin drip

[vincentian]

Hey everyone! Was super active in the phandom in 2015/2016 so naturally I have returned to IDB..

I am finding it super comforting watching their old stuff again as I just moved into my first apartment, and it’s a little too quiet sometimes! I was wondering if anyone knew of an archive of their radio shows? I know phanshows had a load of them but the music is copyrighted

I checked a few ancient masterdocs that had full archive, but most of them are removed sadly
There are a few public playlists of radioshows on youtube, but I think the music is also removed in them
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... NYEltLsTi9
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... HlCNc3I_W4


On another note, with dan and phil I feel like we are always in the one step forward/two steps back situation. I dislike the idea of them doing patreon and that patreon was always the business plan since the early stages of creating of dan and phil 2.0 and the podcast. For me, patreon is not a platform for the people with huge fanbase, such as theirs, it's for smaller creators. Even though they can use any platforms available, it feels like they are once again taking by storm a space that is not theirs. And are they seriously looking at the trending stats of the podcast? It's the very same audience that follows them on every undertaking that makes it trend. The same way they are best-selling authors and comedians with sold-out concert halls. I'm happy for them to be out with their relationship, but the way they capitalize on it discounts the sincerity of this step.

[plinthofmylife]

I disagree with the idea that patreon is only for smaller creators (many larger creators who get demonetized due to their content niche use it), and I say this as someone who has been on patreon for 8 years, done work with patreon, and is a much smaller podcaster.

I work for a large media company that does a lot of podcasts and we still rely on a membership/pay what you can model despite having a 100 million endowment. It costs money to do media, to employ people. Offering people the option to pay more for content/access is a trusted business model in the media space and patreon works hard to make the website attractive to larger creators like them.

You don't have to pay for it if you don't want to. I don't think it's two steps back at all. If people don't value what they create/put out, then they won't pay. They're in one of the least profitable niches on youtube (in CRMs and they said only one video all year has been monetized).

The metrics matter, especially at the early stages of creating a podcast. It is in fact a numbers game. It's totally a thing they should celebrate especially as people claim they're not relevant anymore or their fans have outgrown them (for example, DAPG hit 3 million again 8 years after the first time they hit 3 mill). They're also beating out REALLY big very conservative podcasts in the US like Joe Rogan, and they should celebrate that. Joe Rogan is the number one podcast and they beat him, at least for a day.

They have to get those kinds of stats if they want to attract sponsors anyway, which is what they have to do if you don't want to rely on the patreon.

I don't know what to tell you except that media costs a lot of money to make. Their behind-the-scenes tour shows ONE of their cameras is a $2K camera.

[itsonlybeth]

Hey everyone! Was super active in the phandom in 2015/2016 so naturally I have returned to IDB..

I am finding it super comforting watching their old stuff again as I just moved into my first apartment, and it’s a little too quiet sometimes! I was wondering if anyone knew of an archive of their radio shows? I know phanshows had a load of them but the music is copyrighted

I checked a few ancient masterdocs that had full archive, but most of them are removed sadly
There are a few public playlists of radioshows on youtube, but I think the music is also removed in them
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... NYEltLsTi9
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... HlCNc3I_W4


On another note, with dan and phil I feel like we are always in the one step forward/two steps back situation. I dislike the idea of them doing patreon and that patreon was always the business plan since the early stages of creating of dan and phil 2.0 and the podcast. For me, patreon is not a platform for the people with huge fanbase, such as theirs, it's for smaller creators. Even though they can use any platforms available, it feels like they are once again taking by storm a space that is not theirs. And are they seriously looking at the trending stats of the podcast? It's the very same audience that follows them on every undertaking that makes it trend. The same way they are best-selling authors and comedians with sold-out concert halls. I'm happy for them to be out with their relationship, but the way they capitalize on it discounts the sincerity of this step.

Thank you for the links

[parallel]

I'm surprised people thought they were a separate bedrooms couple even up until the first podcast episode! When they lived in the OG London flat I thought they shared Phil's room but at that point I would've found it plausible that they might have actually used their separate rooms just to have their own space. But since moving to the apartment where Phil's "room" was clearly a set, I thought it was obvious they shared a bed/room. And especially in a post-TIT era where they confirmed they shared the tour bus bed during TATINOF—I don't think it's much to extrapolate that they share every bed!

Anyway, in the ~week since "we're not becoming couple's vloggers", we've had "do you want kids", the couple's tag tiktok, "serving sub/dom neck chains", them sharing a pic from their London Eye date... What happened to not being couple's vloggers

[Susanisnotafish]

I'm surprised people thought they were a separate bedrooms couple even up until the first podcast episode! When they lived in the OG London flat I thought they shared Phil's room but at that point I would've found it plausible that they might have actually used their separate rooms just to have their own space. But since moving to the apartment where Phil's "room" was clearly a set, I thought it was obvious they shared a bed/room. And especially in a post-TIT era where they confirmed they shared the tour bus bed during TATINOF—I don't think it's much to extrapolate that they share every bed!

Anyway, in the ~week since "we're not becoming couple's vloggers", we've had "do you want kids", the couple's tag tiktok, "serving sub/dom neck chains", them sharing a pic from their London Eye date... What happened to not being couple's vloggers

Can someone please add the London Eye pic? Haven’t seen that yet.

[Cakepop]

I don't think I have ever posted on IDB, but I've been here since day one when some kind souls from Guru Gossip decided to create this separate forum. I watched any "joint" content they put out during the hiatus ("I Try to Give Dan a Haircut," "Viewers Pick My Outfits 2"), but have been all in since the gaming channel came back.

I bought my first EVER piece of merch last year (across any fandom I've been in), which was the parasocial social club shirt. They got me with that one. And I did sign up for their lower-tier phatreon.

Like everyone here, my mind has been toast for the past week. I'll go back to lurking as that's where I'm most comfortable - but for those who do post and comment, please know there are phannies out here who quietly appreciate it

(PS to the mods/admin - thank you for keeping this forum alive for nearly 10 years)

[liola]

I also don't understand the outrage about the Patreon. I would maybe understand if they put the completely new content behind the paywall, but it's only a couple of posts and about 10 minutes of additional yap as an incentive, so I don't really count that as gated content tbh. At that point a tour is also paywalled content.

Having membership only content is something that at this point is really hard to avoid. YouTube isn't paying like it used to, ads are not showing on a lot of videos that is not deemed safe for advertising, and like others have said, creating media costs money.

The basic tier doesn't seem that high in price either honestly, although I did see that some currencies are higher. That's not something they really have control over though. Patreon is the most reliable platform to use to integrate their earnings, and I don't mind supporting them when they also have stuff for free members and I know the fandom will spread the paid content anyway.

Most creators, even bigger, have needed the same route. An example would be the Try Guys or Dropout, who ended up creating their own platforms to make their business sustainable because the algorithm and the payouts from YouTube became unpredictable, and they especially enjoyed the freedom to create whatever they wanted without fearing the Google overlords.

[LAshleigh]

Can someone please add the London Eye pic? Haven’t seen that yet.

Phanniversary Boys

There's been some speculation that they were filming some sort of DITL/etc here due to what looks like a microphone on Dan's shirt. Either way, super cute.

[casualsun]

Hello! I’ve gone a long time without posting but have been keeping up with D&P this whole time.

Does anyone notice that post-hard launch, they still seem really uncomfortable using any relationship-related word? Like in the podcast and even in the announcement video itself, they’ve said things like “now that we’re out as gay,” “we hard launched,” “phan is real,” etc but they seem reticent to saying “we are in a relationship.” It will probably take them a really long time to truly feel comfortable with it after 16 years of self-censoring.

[Kuu]

The basic tier doesn't seem that high in price either honestly, although I did see that some currencies are higher. That's not something they really have control over though.

I feel like this might be my only issue with Patreon, I've heard before that one price is not comparable between countries and those in richer western countries might get more bang for their buck so to speak. But like you said, it's not really in D&P's hands so

They just posted their phinished phasement tour on Patreon. I'll put this under spoiler just in case

They seem really excited, though quite tired as well, and they did say as much. Dan said they basically started doing this whole project immediately after the tour, straight quote: "because we knew that making this video, opening up about the us and doing the hard launch of it all would be really personally liberating, and would be an excuse to finally commit to Dan and Phil in an exciting way, and so we went yeah let's do it and it's just been non-stop for the entire summer". Also said they're "making our dreams come true", like stop it already

To add to the comment above, Dan didn't say 'relationship' but 'the us' I imagine it's all new, they haven't had to use the word relationship at all so I guess they're finding their terminology, all in good time

Makes me wonder if they knew maybe already before the latest tour that this would be the plan for this year? The apparent seeding in the gaming videos would make sense in that case.

[plinthofmylife]

[tiktok]https://www.tiktok.com/@danandphil/vide ... 8989970975[/tiktok]

I think they are trying to murder me.

[parallel]

Does anyone notice that post-hard launch, they still seem really uncomfortable using any relationship-related word? Like in the podcast and even in the announcement video itself, they’ve said things like “now that we’re out as gay,” “we hard launched,” “phan is real,” etc but they seem reticent to saying “we are in a relationship.” It will probably take them a really long time to truly feel comfortable with it after 16 years of self-censoring.

I don't read it as discomfort or censorship. I think they've just always enjoyed describing their relationship in funny ways—see ranch metaphor, tortoises thing, whatever the hell Dan said in that one interview where he eventually concluded that he and Phil were "basically a normal gay couple". If you watch the hard launch vid I was shocked at how comfortably they were talking about everything, so I think they are definitely at a point where they feel comfortable saying these things when they need to be said. But they've been together so long that probably the regular "boyfriends"/"partners"/etc is getting boring (also, in their own words, they've never labeled it).

[abulletinmyhead]

Anyone see the new video? Unfortunately I'm coming home from work so I couldn't get to it immediately!

[itsonlybeth]

I promise never to skip one of the NordVPN ads ever again, that was a masterpiece.

[Anonymousse]

Okay so regarding the new video, I was skeptical if I was going to like it but no it was actually really entertaining. They feel way more relaxed and controlling about everything and it really shows.. I do wonder if the London eye thing actually happened like that because the boys have been lying to us for so long so I'm always a bit sus about stuff like these.

[liola]

Okay so regarding the new video, I was skeptical if I was going to like it but no it was actually really entertaining. They feel way more relaxed and controlling about everything and it really shows.. I do wonder if the London eye thing actually happened like that because the boys have been lying to us for so long so I'm always a bit sus about stuff like these.

I mean... Why lie about this thing in particular? They're out as a couple now, if they wanted to get the cupids pod they could just say it in the video. I think what's most likely to happen is that they either warned they were coming to avoid potential crowd disruption and the London eye people decided it would be good marketing to ride this news. They filmed this only a couple of days after the hard launch so the news was very much fresh and very very prominent. Plus the London eye employee did say on camera they got an upgrade


I was pleasantly surprised at just how normal that video felt. It could've been filmed any other moment post coming out and, besides the part of the cupids pod, would've felt totally normal. The only real difference was the comment about the rat helping Phil choose another partner. I think a lot of people were wondering if they were now going to "milk" the news while it's still fresh, but I appreciate that their vibe is still the same. It just shows that while yes they felt secretive and somehow held back from not being open about the relationship, their chemistry and behavior has always been the same.