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lurker wrote:i like the jumper because it reminds me of a starfleet uniform

cherrybomb3 wrote:

Whommel wrote:

cherrybomb3 wrote:aw i love that jumper partly because of the interesting colours but also because i do think oversized things are cute as heck; see, part in the new spider man film ehere tom holland was wearing a big ol oversuzed jumper aww

I kinda fail to see the cute when it hides something beautiful. But maybe it's just not my aesthetic. I guess something oversized that fell over one shoulder and showed a collarbone - think Flashdance - would be really cute.

you collarbone people are weird

lurker wrote:i like the jumper because it reminds me of a starfleet uniform

pilotlight wrote:I like the sweater but just looking at it in the summer makes me feel uncomfortably warm. As long as he's comfy in it, though.

sparkle wrote:

pilotlight wrote:I like the sweater but just looking at it in the summer makes me feel uncomfortably warm. As long as he's comfy in it, though.

maybe it's so big because it contains its own water based cooling system

MythicalPinkTrashCan wrote:About them hyping up videos that aren't hypable.

Is there a chance Dan is talking about how a video is fun, and exciting, but he is thinking about some sort of feeling he had from doing something before or after? Or some moment that was really funny to them, but ended up being cut?

autumnhearth wrote:Good theory sparkle

[offtopic]Target now carries Tim Tams they were on sale, so I have now experienced my first Tim Tam Slam. Thanks Deps! Try new things. [/offtopic]

Ablissa wrote:Apparently they had a double date movie night with Bryony and Wirrow

@jumper thing: I think it looks really good on Dan! I don't mind him wearing it often. Same as droopy, if I find a piece of clothing I really like I tend to wear it a lot for a while.

MythicalPinkTrashCan wrote:About them hyping up videos that aren't hypable.

Is there a chance Dan is talking about how a video is fun, and exciting, but he is thinking about some sort of feeling he had from doing something before or after? Or some moment that was really funny to them, but ended up being cut?

alittledizzy wrote:There's another thread for phanart, but since this one is so damn gorgeous and so relevant to the thread title:

fancybum wrote:So I’ve been thinking a lot about the YOI/kiss thing from Dan's ls (completely removed from the “validity” of his line of questioning- as far as differing cultural importance/context/blah blah- that's not relevant here) and how it felt different compared to his previous mentions of the show (or of any show…? though full disclosure: if he talks a lot about a show I don’t care about, I just kind of zone out until he’s done so it’s possible I’ve missed completely similar moments. maybe). It was pointed, it was deliberate, it was a genuine question and concern. To me, it felt like something a teeny bit further than his usual way of expressing interest/investment in things because of like, the abs involved. And there was no potentially vague (..for those that want to consider it vague..) wording that ~for reasons~ is often just brushed aside as a complete joke or pandering, like nothing is coming to me that he’s said that quite reaches the meaning behind “why don’t they kiss?” Other mentions of animes have been said in a way like, ‘this show is offering hot guys in a pool and I will gladly accept it, I am but a removed viewer who appreciates some well defined abs, so thanks Japan’ whereas this little discussion, that he brought up himself with no kiss-specific prompting, was more ‘pretty dudes skating, ok thanks Japan, that’s cool.. but maybe they could kiss, too? Maybe make the relationship (between these two fictional. characters., don't start) a bit more clearly defined, a bit more.. validating? to match my investment in them together? By… kissing?’ Like it’s a little step beyond just being a passive viewer eating up the ~aesthetics on offer. Also, very clearly not a jokey and relatable desire, he was asking a genuine question, bothered by the apparent caginess of the show (again, reasons for that are beyond irrelevant rn thx) in making it 100% clear.

(Disclaimer because I don't trust anybody: no part of this was said with any agreement that previous mentions were said only as jokes in a 'mm pretty boys with abs and angst, lol yes that's hilarious and relatable for the audience even though I personally am but A Straight' because that is in fact just some rotting garbage trying to be passed off as a valid perspective).

So anyway, somewhere in all of that is the main thought on my mind: what would actually happen if Dan just finally got too frustrated with all of the PAINFULLY STUPID PEOPLE OUT THERE and literally said something in a liveshow like, “when I was in [UK equiv of elementary school] and realized I had a crush on a boy for the first time [blah blah some kind of anecdote relating to a fan question or some other train of thought]” or just anything that was a very clearly stated form of ‘here is me point blank expressing to you a story of my experience as a queer person at some point in my life, or ongoing experience, etc’, still without it being an Official Coming Out in the kind of way that YT is familiar with-- just something very casual and nbd as part of a larger conversation (but would still amount to beating the people who just want to hum loudly and cover their eyes and ears over the head with a rainbow umbrella to make them Fucking Get It Finally), what would change?

It’s interesting to be thinking about this as I’m a huge perpetuator of the “answering one question opens the question of the other on a grander scale, so best to avoid both” line of thinking, but is that just giving everybody (Dan/Phil and viewers alike) far too little credit? Like: who cares if putting to rest the sexuality speculation adds more attention to the relationship speculation, because it is and always has been an open question, and always will be until a definitive answer is provided. So what would a momentary spike in interest (where so much already exists) really amount to? Maybe it’s completely unnecessary to conflate the two to the degree I’ve tended to (and before anybody attempts to be annoying, I’m not saying them screaming their not-straight sexualities from rooftops for the people in the back would confirm their relationship, but that them opening up that part of their lives (directly answering the question) would direct viewers to the other supposed unanswered question that hounds them: aka ‘why answer one and not the other HMM’ because fans do tend to see these things as a package deal, I just want to be clear that I’m not agreeing with that, just acknowledging it's a thing).

I guess it's possible that some part of that is an aspect of their thought process(es), but maybe it literally just amounts to ‘it’s nobody’s business but ours’ and all these other countless reasons and rationalizations are doing way more than necessary to attempt to ‘justify’ the simple needs of two people for their privacy in a weird public position. And I just mean privacy pertaining to relationship status and any definitions beyond ‘just friends’, things that have no need to be shared if they don’t want to share them. Because see, here’s the thing: they’re sharing other things. They’ve made/They’re making it clear (or trying to oh my gooooood @ ‘he’s being relatable tee hee’ people with their heads in the sand, who hurt you?) that they’re not straight, and I’m wondering if they just want to be less closed off about that in general, just for its own sake (and kind of re-balance the scales of self-expression that were set around the 2012 era that people still won’t fucking let go of even though D&P themselves have long moved on), or if there’s an actual end game they’re working toward. Like are they wading out to a chosen and defined destination or simply widening the walls of the (self-/societally-)imposed cage they’ve been pacing around for so long. Just for more space, just that.

And yes, they’re very meticulous people, very careful and deliberate in how they go about things that involve viewer perception and engagement (like.. dropping hints for months to set us up for their move, as a recent example), but that level of meticulousness can’t possibly be applied to 100% of everything they do that we see, so it can sometimes be a blurry line of what they’re doing for masterminding purposes and what they’re just doing as normal people trying to navigate their lives in a way most comfortable for themselves (with the added stress of more public scrutiny and judgement than the average person thrown in along the way). Trying to attribute everything, all actions and intents, to a singular grand plan just strips them of humanity and the right that we all have to stumble drunkenly in the dark not knowing what the fuck we’re doing but trying to find our way. Like now- what was I talking about- right: Dan (for example) being (even.more.) crystal fucking clear in a casual way in a liveshow: what would change? I'm thinking.. not much. Where even are we right now? Because listen, I disagree with the opinion that losing viewers (inherent in this thought: disgusting trashbag homophobic viewers that nobody wants or needs to begin with) is THAT high on the list of their ‘Reasons Why I Don’t Want To Label Myself Or My Relationship On YT’ and if idiotic homophobes have been watching and enjoying everything they’re seeing and hearing from D&P (because… howwwww) but would suddenly rebel if Dan said ‘hey fun fact I’m not just joking about every single fucking thing I say you fucking idiot’, it would be no great loss. And I’m not sure those people can really exist, but if they do, they simply cannot exist in large enough number$ that would overwhelmingly dictate how D&P choose to conduct themselves. And also: fuck them anyway (uh, the homophobe-types, not D&P).

D&P are pros by now at ignoring things they don’t want to engage with, just letting whatever it is die down on its own with nary a peep from either of them (in most cases). So if he were to do something like the 'first boy crush' example, it would be enough (one would hope..) to wake up the questionably-minded people but also would just be another drop in the 'hey I'm not straight btw lol' bucket that still wouldn't be some kind of marked coming out situation. And I'm not saying I want him to do that, he can do whatever he wants, I'm more just curious if we're at a point where something like that would register as an extremely big deal, a normal-sized deal, or just another liveshow, and along with any of those options, if it would matter that it shined a brighter light on his relationship with Phil. And if it did, to what degree would that even matter if they just continued to ignore it like they do anyway? Maybe nothing is as big of a deal as we tend to think it is, and maybe D&P are doing a lot less hand-wringing over some of these things than we are.

Basically I have absolutely no conclusions to draw here other than: they’re not 24/7 calculating masterminds for good or for evil (because wouldn't that be impressive on an otherworldly level). And though I am still wondering if there’s a planned end game of some sort for how they publicly handle their personal lives, not everything they do and say Means Something beyond exactly what they did and said. It’s actually not that difficult to just give people the credit of taking them at their words.
..#protip

fancybum wrote:

So I’ve been thinking a lot about the YOI/kiss thing from Dan's ls (completely removed from the “validity” of his line of questioning- as far as differing cultural importance/context/blah blah- that's not relevant here) and how it felt different compared to his previous mentions of the show (or of any show…? though full disclosure: if he talks a lot about a show I don’t care about, I just kind of zone out until he’s done so it’s possible I’ve missed completely similar moments. maybe). It was pointed, it was deliberate, it was a genuine question and concern. To me, it felt like something a teeny bit further than his usual way of expressing interest/investment in things because of like, the abs involved. And there was no potentially vague (..for those that want to consider it vague..) wording that ~for reasons~ is often just brushed aside as a complete joke or pandering, like nothing is coming to me that he’s said that quite reaches the meaning behind “why don’t they kiss?” Other mentions of animes have been said in a way like, ‘this show is offering hot guys in a pool and I will gladly accept it, I am but a removed viewer who appreciates some well defined abs, so thanks Japan’ whereas this little discussion, that he brought up himself with no kiss-specific prompting, was more ‘pretty dudes skating, ok thanks Japan, that’s cool.. but maybe they could kiss, too? Maybe make the relationship (between these two fictional. characters., don't start) a bit more clearly defined, a bit more.. validating? to match my investment in them together? By… kissing?’ Like it’s a little step beyond just being a passive viewer eating up the ~aesthetics on offer. Also, very clearly not a jokey and relatable desire, he was asking a genuine question, bothered by the apparent caginess of the show (again, reasons for that are beyond irrelevant rn thx) in making it 100% clear.

(Disclaimer because I don't trust anybody: no part of this was said with any agreement that previous mentions were said only as jokes in a 'mm pretty boys with abs and angst, lol yes that's hilarious and relatable for the audience even though I personally am but A Straight' because that is in fact just some rotting garbage trying to be passed off as a valid perspective).

So anyway, somewhere in all of that is the main thought on my mind: what would actually happen if Dan just finally got too frustrated with all of the PAINFULLY STUPID PEOPLE OUT THERE and literally said something in a liveshow like, “when I was in [UK equiv of elementary school] and realized I had a crush on a boy for the first time [blah blah some kind of anecdote relating to a fan question or some other train of thought]” or just anything that was a very clearly stated form of ‘here is me point blank expressing to you a story of my experience as a queer person at some point in my life, or ongoing experience, etc’, still without it being an Official Coming Out in the kind of way that YT is familiar with-- just something very casual and nbd as part of a larger conversation (but would still amount to beating the people who just want to hum loudly and cover their eyes and ears over the head with a rainbow umbrella to make them Fucking Get It Finally), what would change?

It’s interesting to be thinking about this as I’m a huge perpetuator of the “answering one question opens the question of the other on a grander scale, so best to avoid both” line of thinking, but is that just giving everybody (Dan/Phil and viewers alike) far too little credit? Like: who cares if putting to rest the sexuality speculation adds more attention to the relationship speculation, because it is and always has been an open question, and always will be until a definitive answer is provided. So what would a momentary spike in interest (where so much already exists) really amount to? Maybe it’s completely unnecessary to conflate the two to the degree I’ve tended to (and before anybody attempts to be annoying, I’m not saying them screaming their not-straight sexualities from rooftops for the people in the back would confirm their relationship, but that them opening up that part of their lives (directly answering the question) would direct viewers to the other supposed unanswered question that hounds them: aka ‘why answer one and not the other HMM’ because fans do tend to see these things as a package deal, I just want to be clear that I’m not agreeing with that, just acknowledging it's a thing).

I guess it's possible that some part of that is an aspect of their thought process(es), but maybe it literally just amounts to ‘it’s nobody’s business but ours’ and all these other countless reasons and rationalizations are doing way more than necessary to attempt to ‘justify’ the simple needs of two people for their privacy in a weird public position. And I just mean privacy pertaining to relationship status and any definitions beyond ‘just friends’, things that have no need to be shared if they don’t want to share them. Because see, here’s the thing: they’re sharing other things. They’ve made/They’re making it clear (or trying to oh my gooooood @ ‘he’s being relatable tee hee’ people with their heads in the sand, who hurt you?) that they’re not straight, and I’m wondering if they just want to be less closed off about that in general, just for its own sake (and kind of re-balance the scales of self-expression that were set around the 2012 era that people still won’t fucking let go of even though D&P themselves have long moved on), or if there’s an actual end game they’re working toward. Like are they wading out to a chosen and defined destination or simply widening the walls of the (self-/societally-)imposed cage they’ve been pacing around for so long. Just for more space, just that.

And yes, they’re very meticulous people, very careful and deliberate in how they go about things that involve viewer perception and engagement (like.. dropping hints for months to set us up for their move, as a recent example), but that level of meticulousness can’t possibly be applied to 100% of everything they do that we see, so it can sometimes be a blurry line of what they’re doing for masterminding purposes and what they’re just doing as normal people trying to navigate their lives in a way most comfortable for themselves (with the added stress of more public scrutiny and judgement than the average person thrown in along the way). Trying to attribute everything, all actions and intents, to a singular grand plan just strips them of humanity and the right that we all have to stumble drunkenly in the dark not knowing what the fuck we’re doing but trying to find our way. Like now- what was I talking about- right: Dan (for example) being (even.more.) crystal fucking clear in a casual way in a liveshow: what would change? I'm thinking.. not much. Where even are we right now? Because listen, I disagree with the opinion that losing viewers (inherent in this thought: disgusting trashbag homophobic viewers that nobody wants or needs to begin with) is THAT high on the list of their ‘Reasons Why I Don’t Want To Label Myself Or My Relationship On YT’ and if idiotic homophobes have been watching and enjoying everything they’re seeing and hearing from D&P (because… howwwww) but would suddenly rebel if Dan said ‘hey fun fact I’m not just joking about every single fucking thing I say you fucking idiot’, it would be no great loss. And I’m not sure those people can really exist, but if they do, they simply cannot exist in large enough number$ that would overwhelmingly dictate how D&P choose to conduct themselves. And also: fuck them anyway (uh, the homophobe-types, not D&P).

D&P are pros by now at ignoring things they don’t want to engage with, just letting whatever it is die down on its own with nary a peep from either of them (in most cases). So if he were to do something like the 'first boy crush' example, it would be enough (one would hope..) to wake up the questionably-minded people but also would just be another drop in the 'hey I'm not straight btw lol' bucket that still wouldn't be some kind of marked coming out situation. And I'm not saying I want him to do that, he can do whatever he wants, I'm more just curious if we're at a point where something like that would register as an extremely big deal, a normal-sized deal, or just another liveshow, and along with any of those options, if it would matter that it shined a brighter light on his relationship with Phil. And if it did, to what degree would that even matter if they just continued to ignore it like they do anyway? Maybe nothing is as big of a deal as we tend to think it is, and maybe D&P are doing a lot less hand-wringing over some of these things than we are.

Basically I have absolutely no conclusions to draw here other than: they’re not 24/7 calculating masterminds for good or for evil (because wouldn't that be impressive on an otherworldly level). And though I am still wondering if there’s a planned end game of some sort for how they publicly handle their personal lives, not everything they do and say Means Something beyond exactly what they did and said. It’s actually not that difficult to just give people the credit of taking them at their words.
..#protip

Actually on topic: that. art. is. breath. take. ing.

fancybum wrote:So if he were to do something like the 'first boy crush' example,[...] I'm more just curious if we're at a point where something like that would register as an extremely big deal, a normal-sized deal, or just another liveshow, and along with any of those options, if it would matter that it shined a brighter light on his relationship with Phil. And if it did, to what degree would that even matter if they just continued to ignore it like they do anyway?

fancybum wrote:Maybe nothing is as big of a deal as we tend to think it is, and maybe D&P are doing a lot less hand-wringing over some of these things than we are.

Susanisnotafish wrote: I read a fic today by InternetTakeover that depicts deppy having a plan about revealing their fictional (allegedly) dating relationship and how that goes for them as they set their plan in motion. It's on ao3 called "People stare cause we look so Good Together" Http://Archiveofourown.org/works/7091176 It refers to Dan having carried out a similar strategy for "coming out" as not straight. I know the difference between fiction and reality, but this fic really is a fantastic thought exercise.

cherrybomb3 wrote:aw i love that jumper partly because of the interesting colours but also because i do think oversized things are cute as heck; see, part in the new spider man film ehere tom holland was wearing a big ol oversuzed jumper aww