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Keeping up with this thread is like a whole part time job. And the thanks button is sorely missed.

Lurktacularr for the perspective on the bedroom tweets. It's a damned if they do and damned if they don't situation.
also about the double room. When I saw the tweets the first thought was they confirmed they have a bedroom which will help IDBers find the bus layout. Was surprised to see everyone interpreted it as anti phan instead. Maybe I'm too phan af so the subtle denial just made me chuckle and shake my head.

SOL they don't owe any explanation for the bus but stalking investigating is what IDB does best. Wanting the Sherlocks here to leave them alone is asking for the impossible.

sweetmm he did mention Dan so many times. It can't be helped with how closely their branding is tied together but it was cute all the same.

jess about feeling phan af about the tweets. Come to the dark side. It's more fun.

fancybum wrote:What's that quote? It's something like "It's not the crime that gets you, it's the cover up".

This quote is phan in a nutshell. See also .

fancybum wrote:Why not explicitly state his POV as far as it's affected his life (leaving phan out of it) rather than speak in ambiguous terms and then delete almost immediately? Whatever his reasoning, for the king of social media, he did not handle this well.

blueapple_x wrote:Since Tyler/Troye has/have already said Troyler isn't real (and the fact that it's obvs it isn't real imo)....what is there to be intrusive about regarding their relationship (or sexuality for that matter when they're both very much out of the closet)? That's why I think he was more referring to Phan. But again, that's just my opinion.

Tyler today was a classic example of 'the lady doth protest too much'. He said just a little more than he should have. Enough that it wasn't relevant to Troyler and too relevant to phan.

fancybum wrote:

Hee.

Dan's nose outline will haunt me for a week for sure.

It seems to be warm there... Puts things into perspective (it snowed here yesterday)

kuensukki wrote:Also for those lovers of Phil (and Dan) wearing jewelry I'm pretty sure these are their hands.....

I was going to ask you all if this was their hands. Also the Snapchat caption said tequila tradition. Doesn't fit with their branding. It does fit with the glimpses we've seen that they do enjoy a nice cocktail.

The top hand looks like Phil's. He holds things in a delicate way almost with only his fingertips and you can see the top hand isn't fully holding the glass. The hand on the right looks like Dan's wider fingers.

spider wrote:The top hand looks like Phil's. He holds things in a delicate way almost with only his fingertips and you can see the top hand isn't fully holding the glass. The hand on the right looks like Dan's wider fingers.

However the person in the right is wearing white shoes; do Dan wear them?

Re Tyler. It's at these times I feel bad for being so invested in D&P and invading their private life a bit more than what is maybe socially acceptable. Then I argue with myself that it's all just good fun and that I don't actually care what they do really because I just adore them too much. Idk.

Is it weird that I want one of those dolls in Phil's video?

sweetmm wrote:

spider wrote:The top hand looks like Phil's. He holds things in a delicate way almost with only his fingertips and you can see the top hand isn't fully holding the glass. The hand on the right looks like Dan's wider fingers.

However the person in the right is wearing white shoes; do Dan wear them?

I think it's Phil's hand on the right (he wears white vans) and Dan's hand on the top.
Loved Cat's snaps, hope we get to see them in some vlog action as well!

Re: Phil's video, I liked that he filmed sth in Florida but a bit confused about the storyline with the whole phone and key/lock details. Enjoyed it nonetheless!

swofro wrote:

sweetmm wrote:This is for the person that mentioned she like Phil wearing the cap impersonating the cab driver?

credit:phanta

I think it's growing on me, totally love the under eye Itachi's line on face thing.

Itachi as in that character from Naruto. Itachi's face for reference.

Is this offtopic? It probably is.

Bless you sweetmm, thanking you from my trash can

Re: Tyler, ouch. Not a great way to handle it. Same as someone said, it's easy to accidentally reblog on mobile (or accidentally reblog immediately when you're trying to put something in drafts or in the queue) but even with that benefit of the doubt one doesn't just fall on the reblog button, it's likely he was intending to save it to his drafts and screwed it up unknowingly. Or he has a secret phan side blog and forgot to switch it before reblogging

I really like Tyler/D&P's friendship, I've enjoyed all their videos together and they're some of the ones I rewatch all the time (actually weirdly just rewatched them all today while cleaning my apt), and I can't see him doing that as bait or out of malice or anything. That's not to say that once D&P catch on that he did it, that they won't be upset about it. I guess we'll have to see when they get to LA if Tyler is around and what the interactions are like Or is Tyler at Playlist? To be honest this whole thing made me a bit sad because I wouldn't have expected that from him.

Re: Cat's snaps, I simultaneously laughed/felt bad for D&P seeing them crammed into those bus seats practically straddling the seats in front of them with their mile-long legs, those poor giants. Also the image of Dan's ghostly face through his hood will haunt my nightmares now.

re: cocktails: it's 2 right hands and a left hand. Could easily be D&P,Cat.

re: bus motion: you most certainly feel the motion, but you get used to it after a while. It's not as drastic as say, being on a public bus, but you're still aware of the motion. I used to love to take the bunk just above the generator, as the sounds of it churring created a wonderful brown noise sound that lulled me to sleep every night. I would have trouble sleeping without it after the tours ended. Perhaps dear Philly can benefit from things like this as well?

Thank goodness for Cat and her snapchat. Thought was wasn't going to get any D&P photos this year. At least they got to spend the night at IoA with frienda before embarking on their tour by themselves for 3 months all the photos are making me jealous. 5 months till I go!!

That Tyler reblog is a bit weird tbh. It isn't like Twitter where you can accidently favourite something easily. You have to go through a two step process to reblog something.. Maybe he thought it was something else he was reblogging (unlikely)... Now he is just digging him a bigger hole but I hope it doesn't wreck their friendship as I love Dan and Tyler collabs.

cora808 wrote:re: cocktails: it's 2 right hands and a left hand. Could easily be D&P,Cat.

Cat is holding the drink with her left hand. The two other hands (I'm pretty sure it's Dan and Phil's) are holding the drinks with their right. It looks like Phil is to the right of Cat and Dan is to the left (based on hands and the shoes)

New video announced and posted not 5 mins after I close my laptop for the night? Screw you Phil. Not much to say that hasn't already been said, apart from 1, packing at 4am? For an 11 week trip, when you've already had a "staying up all night before a trip leads to panic and forgetting things the next morning"?! and 2: if Phil was outside on the doorstep, he'd have not one, but two locked doors between him and their apartment. Plus all those stairs. NGL though the idea of him getting some sort of revenge on their yappy dog owning, loud scary sounding neighbour whilst Dan sleeps undisturbed entertains me greatly!
Am I the only one who thought Phil looked good in this vid? Probably fighting jetlag with caffeine, which is why he seems a bit all over the place, but still.

Cocktails: Phil on the right in white shoes, Dan at the top/left. What's with the flashing rings? They hurt my eyes.
Motion-sickness inducing rides - I've had that issue. Don't get sick on boats/cars/coaches though, but those 3D cinemas they have at Epcot, and other places? Got so dizzy and sick I blacked out and came to surrounded by "Team Disney" in full-on emergency mode.

Finally, Tyler: stop digging.

Diyes_Celine wrote:

swofro wrote:

majitzu wrote: Someone mention he outed D&P... you will need a very good prove to outed them, they have train us well.

Suddenly, I remember someone (cant remember who, sorry) says that thing about proving phan is real now requires at least 6 sex tapes.

I was thinking the same thing. No matter how we discuss how Tyler "outed" we will never believe it because we are trained so well. As a #phanaf, I am just waiting for the engagement or wedding photos. But a sex tape will do as well. Hahaha

We live in a world where Charlie unambiguously outed them on Twitter, there are pages of romantic/sexual tweets and comments about each other, an actual naked picture of Dan in Phil's room that exists, a romantic video of Phil declaring his love for Dan, and yet nobody will believe any of this over the word of the two internet cult leaders. Brainwashing indeed. If they were any other two people on YouTube, nobody would have bought their bullshit.
Also, that picture of Dan on the ride made me cackle, he looks like a Dementor.

bedhead91 wrote:We live in a world where Charlie unambiguously outed them on Twitter, there are pages of romantic/sexual tweets and comments about each other, an actual naked picture of Dan in Phil's room that exists, a romantic video of Phil declaring his love for Dan, and yet nobody will believe any of this over the word of the two internet cult leaders. Brainwashing indeed. If they were any other two people on YouTube, nobody would have bought their bullshit.
Also, that picture of Dan on the ride made me cackle, he looks like a Dementor.

Especially if they were a woman and a man instead of two men. Heteronormativity is good for something after all.

But doesn't the majority of more invested fans ship them/believe they're together? I don't see that many people strongly denying the possibility. If anything, more fans are on the fence. (Correct me if I'm wrong, it's just my perspective.) And I think it would be similar with any other two people from YouTube if there was the same amount of both proof and antiproof as in D&P's case. Idk, is there actually any couple that's comparable to them?
Also it bothers me that people think that not believing in Phan comes from heteronormative way of thinking. It's not that simple. Their situation isn't that obvious. Use your Occam's razor if you wish but don't stab others with it, plz.

Oh dear, I can't believe Tyler, I thought he knew better these days. Can't believe he's managed to stick his foot that far into his mouth. Like I wanna say he might have been drunk, but like, stay away from social media then.
Thanks for capturing the shame though, guys, much deserved. Someone's in for an angry DM.

ironic wrote:But doesn't the majority of more invested fans ship them/believe they're together? I don't see that many people strongly denying the possibility. If anything, more fans are on the fence. (Correct me if I'm wrong, it's just my perspective.) And I think it would be similar with any other two people from YouTube if there was the same amount of both proof and antiproof as in D&P's case. Idk, is there actually any couple that's comparable to them?
Also it bothers me that people think that not believing in Phan comes from heteronormative way of thinking. It's not that simple. Their situation isn't that obvious. Use your Occam's razor if you wish but don't stab others with it, plz.

I think it's safe to say that the majority of the invested fans are on the fence, yeah, but Dan and Phil have always been just manipulative enough to make even the biggest phan shipper doubt sometimes. I don't mean to say this in a negative way, it's quite a talent actually. Also, I was more referring to the casual viewers, of whom the majority ''ship it'' but don't actually think it's real.

I've been reading but can't see what the Tyler thing is specifically. Anyone got a screencap? I can't actually see what he said/reblogged anywhere? Thanks!

human wrote:I've been reading but can't see what the Tyler thing is specifically. Anyone got a screencap? I can't actually see what he said/reblogged anywhere? Thanks!

Well, this, basically starts it
http://indepthbants.com/post10990.html#p10990

He replies to some people asking about it on twitter, and then deletes those tweet but the screencaps are in that page.

Can I ask a semi-random question? I'm gonna try to word it in a judgement-free way, though that's me surpressing my nature quite a bit.
Anyway, why do so many people in the phandom seem to hate Cat? I'll admit I'm mostly familiar with her through her Phan vlogs, I've seen a few of her videos without them and they're standard YT vlogs, nothing to write home about but also not offensive. I genuinely love her for what she provides us with & for how much she both seems to care for D&P and is cared for by them, but that's the extent of my giving a fuck. So why is she so much more hated by people than say, Louise? Is it just being a single attractive female that D&P like to spend time with? Or is there more to the story?

timtam wrote:

Dan captioned the pic differently. Why would you go on a water ride and then try not to get wet! That's half the fun!

This picture is great.
But yeah I agree when going on a water ride it is fun to get wet, although not soaked.

Tyler did not handle that whole situation very well. He should have just deleted the post and leave it at that. This way you only attract more attention and suspicion your way.
Secretly kind of hoping that Tyler gets one of Phil’s infamous DM's.

I don't think Tyler fuck up that much. It would be very stupid for D&P to get angry by something like this, and also it would look suspicious.

phamnotof wrote:Can I ask a semi-random question? I'm gonna try to word it in a judgement-free way, though that's me surpressing my nature quite a bit.
Anyway, why do so many people in the phandom seem to hate Cat? I'll admit I'm mostly familiar with her through her Phan vlogs, I've seen a few of her videos without them and they're standard YT vlogs, nothing to write home about but also not offensive. I genuinely love her for what she provides us with & for how much she both seems to care for D&P and is cared for by them, but that's the extent of my giving a fuck. So why is she so much more hated by people than say, Louise? Is it just being a single attractive female that D&P like to spend time with? Or is there more to the story?

I've also wondered about this. I don't particularly like her or dislike her (she seems like a very normal human being) so I'm somewhat confused by this too. I've heard people say that she's really boring, but is it more to it than that? I feel like maybe some people dislike her for baiting viewers with D&P? Somehow I really doubt people here dislike her because she is a threat to "phan" though. In that case wouldn't Louise technically be more of a threat because she's a lot more flirty than Cat and she seems to have chemistry with Dan?

phamnotof wrote:Can I ask a semi-random question? I'm gonna try to word it in a judgement-free way, though that's me surpressing my nature quite a bit.
Anyway, why do so many people in the phandom seem to hate Cat? I'll admit I'm mostly familiar with her through her Phan vlogs, I've seen a few of her videos without them and they're standard YT vlogs, nothing to write home about but also not offensive. I genuinely love her for what she provides us with & for how much she both seems to care for D&P and is cared for by them, but that's the extent of my giving a fuck. So why is she so much more hated by people than say, Louise? Is it just being a single attractive female that D&P like to spend time with? Or is there more to the story?

I don't like her videos and there is just something about her that puts me off her videos. Nothing to do with D & P at all. I am glad they have a good friend.

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There is definitely more to her story. I don't know much about it all but at the time when the Youtube Rape allegations came out (specifically Luke). Things she said made it sound like she was "a rape apologist" and was very naive about the whole thing. Also I think there was some things about Dogs but I don't know a lot about her and these are just things I have read from the old GG threads. Maybe someone else has more information for you.

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phamnotof wrote:Can I ask a semi-random question? I'm gonna try to word it in a judgement-free way, though that's me surpressing my nature quite a bit.
Anyway, why do so many people in the phandom seem to hate Cat? I'll admit I'm mostly familiar with her through her Phan vlogs, I've seen a few of her videos without them and they're standard YT vlogs, nothing to write home about but also not offensive. I genuinely love her for what she provides us with & for how much she both seems to care for D&P and is cared for by them, but that's the extent of my giving a fuck. So why is she so much more hated by people than say, Louise? Is it just being a single attractive female that D&P like to spend time with? Or is there more to the story?

I don't know about the phandom in general, because this forum is my ony connection to it, but i remember some people from here explaining once. They said she's still friends with luke conard (at least i think that's the one) who had some abuse allegations against him. Basically she stood by him, because she doesn't believe the allegations, correct me if i'm wrong please.
Also some people have a problem with how she has treated her dogs at some point. She must have locked them on the balcony for a longer time than would be healthy.
So yeah, i'm sure there are people here who know more about all this, i just wanted to point out that the cat-hating isn't about her being a threat to phan, at least here on IDB.

(Personally i'm neutral about her. I don't know enough about the luke conard situation to judge her and i don't know if there were other instances where her dogs suffered from her behaviour. To me it seems like she loves them and TRIES to take good care of them. And hopefully she usually succeedes.)

EDIT: Oh my, i'm so slow