Daniel & Phil Part 44: This isn't a forever home

[felucca]

lol so this just happened

100% worthy of a top of the page post.

[papierklemmen]

lol so this just happened

100% worthy of a top of the page post.

lmao so he ignored real dan but replied to a fan, go figure.

way harsh, tai!

[SquishPhan]

lol so this just happened

100% worthy of a top of the page post.

He is not wrong.

[thephandommenace]

lol so this just happened

100% worthy of a top of the page post.

Brilliant Get her Jade >:D

Hello,

new member here, decided to try out idb cause i've been going back and forth the last few weeks with the whole moving discourse and all,

As a little thing to start off, I am so curious how many people here actually feel like they're still shipping dnp? Cause i almost feel as if these two are lately becoming just a couple like any other yt couple that's solidified their relationship over the years. I wouldn't call myself tinhatting either with all the recent news about the house and the future dog that seems to confirm everything. It seems as if they are slowly but surely making themselves comfortable infront of us, and also just making all our headcanons well.. canon lol

Not sure where to really put myself within the fandom anymore? as a casual shipper? as an observer? What are people's thoughts on how casual they're being rn? I'm just glad they're looking as happy as ever

They sure as heck seem like a couple as of late. Don't know that they'll ever come out and say as much tho. I guess it's enough for me the way they talk about and to one another. Such happiness, fondness, loyalty, love. They really are couple goals.

as far as shipping, i've said this for a while that i don't really know if i feel like i ship them as much as just genuinely believe that they're together. i feel like it's kind of the same thing but there's a difference. and i've believed they were together for a while but lately they keep doing things that just solidify it even more.

but i agree, i don't think they'll ever actually come out and say they're in a relationship. in my opinion, i think they're not hiding it anymore but also not really saying anything about it. i think that they know that most people know they're together and they're ok with it but they'll never verbally confirm.

i think they won't because they don't want the unnecessary extra attention they'll get because of it, they don't want it to define them because nothing is actually changing, just people's perspective. i also think they just want to have some things just to themselves, like the upstairs of their new place. so as much as i wish i could know just to ease my mind i don't think we ever will officially, but i do hope they keep it up with how they've been recently.

edit: apologies if this isn't totally coherent i'm very tired

I agree with awsugar - there's definitely a difference between shipping and believing in Phan(iel). I started off as a shipper but non-believer. I loved their chemistry and wanted to see their personas explored in the realm of fanfiction, but maybe that was BECAUSE I didn't believe and I wanted to fill that aching gap in my heart. Now I lean more towards believing they're together and I still 'ship' them, in the loose sense of the word that I believe they're good together, but less than before. I don't read RPF as much as I used to (not shaming anyone who does)... unless we enter a Deppy drought and the longing feelings come back.

Even though I'm kind of 60-40 on believing they're together romantically, I don't really care if they come out publically. It's their choice whether they address it or not and I'd prefer them to be happy over them satiating my own curiosity. I love their relationship regardless of whether they're together or not anyway. Their cute banter does wonders for lifting my spirits and providing escapism.

[mysterylovescompany]

At least he's self-aware of the generic tweets

[gnostic]

At least he's self-aware of the generic tweets

Amazing. This is Phil Lester I live for.

[malday]

matching

[DatCog]

I'm so glad Dan got his denim jacket back from his mum, it's one of my favourite things to see him in I also love Phil's jumper too so they make a handsome pair!

[starsandshards]

matching

they look so gooooood. and so happy. all the recent soft and happy things are making me such

[offtopic](i finally have an avatar and sig! )[/offtopic]

[obliviongrace]

Re: PJ answering Phan-related question:

I am not entirely sure what happened there? At first I was thinking he just didn't want to say anything about phan shippers because that's a controversial topic and can get people angry (For reasons of generalizing entire fan groups). Also because, I remember there being an old Vyou in which he was asked about shipping phan and he talked about how uncomfortable/weird the whole thing is for him (I'm sure it must be v strange if you actually know them as people). But now it seems like he also didn't want to address it because the asker was ragging on deppy as a whole?

Re: Gordon Ramsay:

I am CRYING. That is the funniest description yet. I really hope deppy, or at least Dan, see this, because I am sure they would appreciate it

Re: pics at the airport

Aww, they are all matchy-matchy. And I think they often wear all black when traveling/out and about/trying to get noticed as rarely as possible. And I am...weirded out not that they are in my timezone. I was sad earlier because of the lack of video, but now I'm getting excited for the Playlist Live content.

[alittledizzy]

Did they only bring one suitcase between them, or did Dan have one hiding somewhere?

[fondsmiles]

Did they only bring one suitcase between them, or did Dan have one hiding somewhere?

I was wondering that too! although if (at least) Phil's staying for the family holiday as well, one suitcase for two people seems quite tiny.

also Phil looks so good here?? I am in love

[alittledizzy]

As a little thing to start off, I am so curious how many people here actually feel like they're still shipping dnp? Cause i almost feel as if these two are lately becoming just a couple like any other yt couple that's solidified their relationship over the years. I wouldn't call myself tinhatting either with all the recent news about the house and the future dog that seems to confirm everything. It seems as if they are slowly but surely making themselves comfortable infront of us, and also just making all our headcanons well.. canon lol

I definitely agree with you that they're slowly but surely making themselves comfortable in front of us, and us more comfortable with their comfort. And damn, I love that.

To the comment on shipping: in my opinion as verified fandom ancient, people are making weird semantics out of what shipping even is. Ship just stands for relationship; to ship something is to enjoy the idea of two people together. That kind of enjoyment can happen at many different levels and be expressed through many different forms. Some people really like trying to figure out if they're together, some assume treat the togetherness as fact and don't care about proof. Some people don't think it's any of their business what reality is, but enjoy fanart and fanfic. Some people think they're really together and love watching actual interactions and speculating, but don't partake in fan creativity. Some people talk about it in their group chats privately, some of them run massive fan social media accounts, some of them post about it on forums. At the heart of it they all are here because they are in some way drawn to the relationship they perceive or like to imagine between Dan and Phil. That's all shipping is.

(And before I get dinged on it: yes, the obvious exception is people are fans but don't care about the relationship at all, and literally just watch because the content is funny or they like them as individuals. But that's the rarity in fandom and even if it weren't, it's not going to enter into the contemplation of what shipping is.)

[Sakura Selfie]

If you look closely I think he's got a backpack on (straps are visible) if he's only going for a few days he won't need as much luggage as Phil

[confusedpanda]

If you look closely I think he's got a backpack on (straps are visible) if he's only going for a few days he won't need as much luggage as Phil

Phil has a backpack on too though. They always have backpacks as a carry on (from every single airport photo we've seen over the past year), I don't think Dan's ever used his backpack for just his luggage. That being said though, Dan's suitcase might just be out of frame somewhere, possiby infront of Phil's. But also it's hard to say if Dan is staying in Florida after playlist or not, his live show didn't make it very clear.

[allsaintshowell]

here's hoping the florida humidity gives us singapore curls again!

[Artdefines06]

Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)


pps. I want my sims video, I'm jonesing here!

[autumnhearth]

To the comment on shipping: in my opinion as verified fandom ancient, people are making weird semantics out of what shipping even is. Ship just stands for relationship; to ship something is to enjoy the idea of two people together. That kind of enjoyment can happen at many different levels and be expressed through many different forms. Some people really like trying to figure out if they're together, some assume treat the togetherness as fact and don't care about proof. Some people don't think it's any of their business what reality is, but enjoy fanart and fanfic. Some people think they're really together and love watching actual interactions and speculating, but don't partake in fan creativity. Some people talk about it in their group chats privately, some of them run massive fan social media accounts, some of them post about it on forums. At the heart of it they all are here because they are in some way drawn to the relationship they perceive or like to imagine between Dan and Phil. That's all shipping is.

Thank you for this. I know I fluctuate between most of these (minus the massive social media accounts) on a daily basis (add in watching sappy video edits and that's me).

Aww they look great! I love Phil in glasses and wavy Dan. Nice prism of color on the black for Phil. I've always assumed that was a hummingbird.

[lefthandedism]

Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)

I think it ultimately comes down to behavior, one way or the other. The have been together, if not "together" for nearly eight years. At this point I would only believe they do not have a long-term commitment to each other if they either 1) set up house separately from each other or 2) partnered publicly with someone else (e.g., "this is my girlfriend who is my date to the BONCAs").

If they claimed tomorrow that they weren't together, I'd have a hard time believing them, and I'd be pretty upset with them over their behavior in the post-baking universe.

And if they just continue to be together, without saying anything one way or another, it comes down to speculating about their sex life (it would seem) and that's kind of icky. Because they will be, for all intents and purposes, together.

[Artdefines06]

Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)

I think it ultimately comes down to behavior, one way or the other. The have been together, if not "together" for nearly eight years. At this point I would only believe they do not have a long-term commitment to each other if they either 1) set up house separately from each other or 2) partnered publicly with someone else (e.g., "this is my girlfriend who is my date to the BONCAs").

If they claimed tomorrow that they weren't together, I'd have a hard time believing them, and I'd be pretty upset with them over their behavior in the post-baking universe.

And if they just continue to be together, without saying anything one way or another, it comes down to speculating about their sex life (it would seem) and that's kind of icky. Because they will be, for all intents and purposes, together.

Ah, so their actions count more than their words. That is so interesting! Thank you!

[bee]

Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

I am not convinced or anything since I feel like I can't know because I don't know them, but I do feel like they are together so maybe I could answer this still

I feel like I would believe them if they were upfront about it, but at the same time I'm aware that my bias towards percieving them as a couple skews my perception, so I guess I'll never really know! Now I think if they'd say something like 'we are friends and nothing more' I would believe it, but then they do say they are friends now often and I choose not to believe they are only that and not something else too.. so..


Also, I love Phil's sweater and need it.

[autumnhearth]

Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)

pps. I want my sims video, I'm jonesing here!

Oh dear. Umm. Well I guess I have to answer the not together scenario... (Idonwanna!) what would it take for me to believe them? Admitting they had a fling at the beginning, but it got weird and they decided they would make better friends, are still the most important people to each other, it's just not romantic/physical. (I do not actually think this is the case and if it was they would never be that transparent about it, because that scenario would really be none of our bussiness). Really curious to see others thoughts on both sides though.

I have been having related thoughts based on others posts insisting they will never "come out" (by which I mean say they are in a relationship), which is probably true, but I can't help thinking, what if they got married? Would they really never share that? At all? (Not for us, but for them) I can see both sides but...

And now I'm feeling really emotionally vulnerable.

(Listening to their joint live show after Japan, is comforting though).

[lishachi]

Ok, I had this thought this morning and I can't get it out of my head, so I would like your opinion on it everyone.

My thought was that i wish they would just tell us the truth instead of hinting and flirting and what-not, and honest sit down video with no jokes or rolled eyes.

But then I started thinking, what if that was an honest sit down video about how they are not together? Not old content from years ago but a new one.

Would you believe it? Especially if it did not change how they behaved toward each other? DnP have not really truly mentioned it in years, but what if they did? It's easy to deny the campy bus tour stuff, but what about seriousness?

What would it take you to truly believe they are not together?

ps. Anti-phannies could technically answer this as well. If they truly came out, but didn't change their behavior at all, would you really believe it? Or would you still think it's fanservice to make money? What would it take to make you believe they are together?

(This is just a thought exercise, please don't start wars over it. I am just interested in what makes a thing real for you. Even in Yuri on Ice there are still disbelievers, because they were not 100% flat out and instead hinted at things, even if they hinted really really obviously. It makes me soooo curious about what is going on in our heads. Psychology student, can't help it.)


pps. I want my sims video, I'm jonesing here!

I have just woken up from a nap so bear with me this may be a little in-coherent.

What would it take to make you believe they are together?

See, this is difficult, because their livelyhood kind of depends on their joint brand. It's Dan and Phil. Sure, they do well on their own, but look at the book(s) and the tour. That probably did amazing for them financially. They are known as a duo. I'll come back to this thought.

The tricky part that I think about often is, if they were to deny it, wouldn't that cause an uproar? And if they confirmed it, wouldn't that too?

If they denyed it, they could be accused of shipbaiting (is that the term? I apologise if not, feel free to correct me) but only based on their behaviour towards each other and how they are perceived to behave towards each other, aswell as some of their quite obvious 'fanservice'. They have never confirmed a relationship, so technically they could fall back on the fact that, it's peoples perceptions of wanting them to be together and not actually them being together. (I feel as though that would be incredibly harsh and they probably wouldn't do that, as they know that a good amount of their audience is heavily invested in them and their 'relationship'.)

If they confirmed it, shit would, as they say, hit the fan. I think people would actually freak the fuck out. There are many people who believe they're a couple, so for it to be confirmed, I think it would be everywhere. For example - if they put out a video/tweet/extremely obvious comment in a video, blatantly confirming their relationship, people would go crazy. It would be all over social media. News articles already cover youtubers, mainly smaller ones, so imagine them confirming they're together? I don't think they'd be able to hide from it. And then, that's all they'd ever be known by. I had a dream that this happened actually, a video was uploaded to the gaming channel and Dan said something that basically confirmed their relationship (might of been a sims video) and I was like ? and checked social media and it was e v e r y w h e r e. And they were just known as 'that couple'. People were obsessed with it. And I feel like that could very much happen in real life if they did confirm it in some way, which is scary.

They are individuals with a lot of talent and they should not be defined by their sexualities/relationships. If they were to come out I feel like they would be, and everything else would be overlooked, people would be scanning each video, each tweet, each instagram picture, trying to something to comment on and tell them how cute they are as a (if they're confirmed) couple.

I have no idea if i'd believe it, I think they'd have to do something that was very obvious and confirming for me to think 'oh shit ok'. I really don't know. But I hope if there is confirmation of 'No we're not together' - there's an explanation and if there's a 'Yes we're together' they are happy and hopefully not bombarded with attention and their individual talents get overlooked. They're people at the end of the day, and need some sort of privacy, so I think it wouldn't happen, no matter if it's 'no we're not' or 'yes we are'. Both, I think, would come with a lot of attention on them. Also imagine if they confirmed they were with other people? Christ I don't even want to be around if that ever happens.

(Also I am waiting for the sims video too, god damn it Phil put down the pancakes and feed us some content instead.)

[lost686girl]

Dan talking about getting a dog when a "forever home" is bought...and then confirming that him and phil plan to adopt a dog together has already confirmed their relationship to me, and to probably a lot of other people.


I'm not sure how big a deal it would be if they explicitly confirm it. I believe that they have already decided to be more open and honest and one day a " confirmation" may happen but it wouldn't change how they act around each other.

[DatCog]

Sorry to interrupt this interesting conversation (I'm taking too long to come up with an intelligent response so I'll probably miss it all together) but this was a cute Twitter exchange earlier:

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