That was a lot of gif, thanks http://softestdan.tumblr.com/post/150047273251
This was one of my favourite parts. DRAG THEM
there is no one here i should go sleep good night
Dan & Phil Part 23: Let's just retract the fist.
I don't understand, are you being sarcastic? Because:anathema wrote:(thank you Dan for acting like a normal human being with opinions)bluewho wrote:33 minutes into the liveshow:later guys i'm in loveIt's funny, gender roles and style. Cause my whole thing is, I feel like, society - you don't need to pay attention to it. You know...rules and stereotypes, rolls and rules, they're all meaningless. And yet, would I feel comfortable going outside in a pink miniskirt? Don't think I would right now, but why? I just said that there's no reason for that. Interesting philosophical questions. It's all society's fault isn't it.
1) If you think this is a 'normal' opinion for people to have, I want to move where you live. I think it was a progressive opinion, certainly worthy of note. I am so sorry for being enthusiastic about something on a fan forum.
2) It isn't about 'thank you Dan', I wasn't thanking him. I was expressing the fact that I suddenly felt glad that I'm a fan of someone who can have such a progressive and reflective attitude on the subject, and broadcast this positive message to thousands of people who may not share it/may not live in an area or family where such an opinion is common. I was also obviously exaggerating because I didn't think it was necessary to explain why this attitude was noteworthy, and thought pointing it out would suffice, something I was apparently wrong about.
But you're right, clearly I'm just being stupid, getting excited on a fan forum when someone I'm a fan of says something positive, I mean jeez, smh how lame.
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danphil333
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Oh look I have to comment on dans liveshow too.
Under the spoiler and a warning for hate
Under the spoiler and a warning for hate
Or you know, buy something you obviously made because you think your fans are stupid enough to buy. Oh oh its lovely to hear him shade and disrespect his fans. Love it. What a great guy! 
yes, this made me laugh when he lied so easily about it. But I guess he can't really be honest or no one would buy the book and would lose a little credibilitydanphil333 wrote: “the reason we made D&PGO is to have a physical object for the tour” . lol. No. The only reason you made this book is because you had a “two books deal” with your publisher and its obvious you hate it.
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SquishPhan
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phamnotof wrote:re: enjoyment - we all enjoy different things, which is fine & actually really good, and I'm glad we can talk about it, I just hope we can frame the convo in a way that doesn't read as "the old vs. the young" - because this way above average age fan is in no way ashamed to like things that make her feel warm. not that opinionated dan doesn't often, just got weird vibes from him today, but that's besides the point.
Agree with you on some things, wish he actually gave some opinions on things like the airport stalking and the Louise rebranding.danphil333 wrote:Oh look I have to comment on dans liveshow too.
Under the spoiler and a warning for hate
Something I forgot to mention in my post.
Dan said when the stand up to cancer picture was posted, he was at an airport in Hong Kong. Have we figured out the timeline of them flying back home yet? Were we correct about those video uploads as a distraction from airport stalking?
Dan said when the stand up to cancer picture was posted, he was at an airport in Hong Kong. Have we figured out the timeline of them flying back home yet? Were we correct about those video uploads as a distraction from airport stalking?
Omg, yes I love Dan but this is so true. What a transparent lie. Maybe that's why they make the cover look so bad, because they want to meme the heck out of it, because they themselves don't like the idea of . I don't knowbluewho wrote:yes, this made me laugh when he lied so easily about it. But I guess he can't really be honest or no one would buy the book and would lose a little credibilitydanphil333 wrote: “the reason we made D&PGO is to have a physical object for the tour” . lol. No. The only reason you made this book is because you had a “two books deal” with your publisher and its obvious you hate it.
Love is forever
I loved that liveshow it was really nice and i also LOVED the hair. I don't even think Dan was particularly sassy or opiniony to be honest. But we are so used to them being so vanilla that when they are not completely Disney-channel-robotic, a lot of the phandom freaks out thinking Dan is rude, sad, "salty today"... I didn't feel like that at all. He had some cool opinions on some things but I didn't feel it was rant day either.
I do disagree with him on the youtube thing tho. It is true a lot of people overeacted and like to make big dramas out of small things and basically discuss lies instead of the true problem, but that doesn't mean there is not a REAL problem to begin with.
That is true in general that a lot of public debates are kinda ruined by uninformed opinions or people steering away from the main problem etc. but it doesn't mean we should classify the whole thing as "drama" and move on. Hank Green's article is a nice article to explain the real problems with that youtube policy but its conclusions are way to soft and complacent about youtube's attitude.
I do disagree with him on the youtube thing tho. It is true a lot of people overeacted and like to make big dramas out of small things and basically discuss lies instead of the true problem, but that doesn't mean there is not a REAL problem to begin with.
That is true in general that a lot of public debates are kinda ruined by uninformed opinions or people steering away from the main problem etc. but it doesn't mean we should classify the whole thing as "drama" and move on. Hank Green's article is a nice article to explain the real problems with that youtube policy but its conclusions are way to soft and complacent about youtube's attitude.
If you’re attracted to somebody, you’ll want them to sniff you eventually - Dan
*Phil is turned on by Dan's brilliance* *they kiss* *they have sex in the microwave* - Oqua (actually Phil)
*Phil is turned on by Dan's brilliance* *they kiss* *they have sex in the microwave* - Oqua (actually Phil)
I totally agree with Dan here and Phans are annoying, etc. but PLEASE FOR GODS SAKE CAN DAN JUST PLAY THE PIANO PLSmajitzu wrote:
That was a lot of gif, thanks http://softestdan.tumblr.com/post/150047273251
This was one of my favourite parts. DRAG THEM
there is no one here i should go sleep good night
Phil Lester wrote:"I'll rub myself in a mango before I eat a mango."
"Make no judgements where you have no compassion." -Anne McCaffrey
I finally got around the watching the liveshow so I'm probably reeeeaally late to the discussion (in my defence its on at like 6am and I have work )
Anyways I didn't feel like Dan was being particularly salty. Tbh he just seemed a bit fed up? I'm not sure if that was the right way to describe it, but it seemed as though whenever he was reading the chat he was just over it. It was all snapchat/nails/repetitive questions about things he had already answered.
I want to hear more opinions from him, but I can see why he doesn't want to voice any as apparently if hes not bouncing with excitement he must be angry (I've seen depressed mentioned as well).
On a lighter note, I really enjoyed the stories he did tell. The tripping story was hilarious, his review of nailpolish seemed like every experience I've ever had and I was really impressed with him mentioning the obvious issues with the SU2C campaign.
Anyways I didn't feel like Dan was being particularly salty. Tbh he just seemed a bit fed up? I'm not sure if that was the right way to describe it, but it seemed as though whenever he was reading the chat he was just over it. It was all snapchat/nails/repetitive questions about things he had already answered.
I want to hear more opinions from him, but I can see why he doesn't want to voice any as apparently if hes not bouncing with excitement he must be angry (I've seen depressed mentioned as well).
On a lighter note, I really enjoyed the stories he did tell. The tripping story was hilarious, his review of nailpolish seemed like every experience I've ever had and I was really impressed with him mentioning the obvious issues with the SU2C campaign.
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vincentian
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I didn’t dislike Dan’s liveshow as I thought I would. I think it was a balanced liveshow where he stayed funny and entertaining without losing his mind in the last 15 minutes like he often does. Also addressed almost all of the things people on here predicted and more , and withdrew from commenting on the stuff he cannot comment in a pc way. Yeah, a couple of lies here and there, but in sort of unaggressive manner and for quite transparent reasons.
Won’t comment on his opinions because I don’t find them particularly interesting. It's good that he has them and expresses some of them, but I support the idea to withdraw from commenting on the stuff he knows he cannot comment in calm objective mature way. Even though the way he reacts when he refuses to address something or gives neutral reaction usually gives away his opinion. He should take lessons in diplomacy from Phil.
Couldn't quite read his tone when he spoke about Louise's rebranding (46.37-47.34) - was he just neutrally supportive and said general things about doing whatever makes you happy (being "authentic" hahah) or was there some hint of regret/self-projection there?
Won’t comment on his opinions because I don’t find them particularly interesting. It's good that he has them and expresses some of them, but I support the idea to withdraw from commenting on the stuff he knows he cannot comment in calm objective mature way. Even though the way he reacts when he refuses to address something or gives neutral reaction usually gives away his opinion. He should take lessons in diplomacy from Phil.
Couldn't quite read his tone when he spoke about Louise's rebranding (46.37-47.34) - was he just neutrally supportive and said general things about doing whatever makes you happy (being "authentic" hahah) or was there some hint of regret/self-projection there?
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coffeepenguin
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Can somebody explain to me why the idea of a photobook is so horrible? I'm not being a troll, I genuinely don't understandswofro wrote:Omg, yes I love Dan but this is so true. What a transparent lie. Maybe that's why they make the cover look so bad, because they want to meme the heck out of it, because they themselves don't like the idea of . I don't knowbluewho wrote:yes, this made me laugh when he lied so easily about it. But I guess he can't really be honest or no one would buy the book and would lose a little credibilitydanphil333 wrote: “the reason we made D&PGO is to have a physical object for the tour” . lol. No. The only reason you made this book is because you had a “two books deal” with your publisher and its obvious you hate it.
Like, aside from the cover (that I don't even think is so bad, but ok, I have no taste), it's not their primary content, so you don't have to buy it if you don't want to/don't have money, it's not the main reason they weren't sharing as much during the US TATINOF - the general exhaustion, the recording and the making of film were, and it's not like they didn't post anything at all (e.g. Niagara selfie). It's like every other photobook out there, Dan mentioned in another ls the photobooks that bands have, me, personally, I would love to have some quality photos of them printed on a good paper and I'm ready to pay for it with my money, and like everything with Deppy it's not something imposed on them but photos they've taken themselves? sign me up immediately, what I want to say (I've talked in my very first post about the j-pop fandom, photobooks are one of the things that I really loved about it)Dan wants to be understood. Phil just wants to make the viewer smile and sell some backpacks (c) fancybum
I just wanted to say that I agree with you entirely. I don't understand why people are so against the photobook. It's just a book. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I don't imagine d&p would've been that much more active of social media without it. They were in the middle of a fairly exhausting tour at the time, and this book is going to be full of photos. I'd rather this than a few instagram posts.coffeepenguin wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the idea of a photobook is so horrible? I'm not being a troll, I genuinely don't understand
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vincentian
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The problem with “you don’t have to buy it” argument (imo) is - we can enjoy anything they put out just bc it’s them (even if there was 0 effort involved), but it doesn’t mean they should go with every opportunity, it would cheapen their brand / make them seem sellouts. What Dan said about the photobook was quite clever and seems like good way to low-key promote the book and the reasons he mentioned were nicely worded and sounded legit but it's still promo for the product.Amelie wrote:I just wanted to say that I agree with you entirely. I don't understand why people are so against the photobook. It's just a book. If you don't want it, don't buy it. I don't imagine d&p would've been that much more active of social media without it. They were in the middle of a fairly exhausting tour at the time, and this book is going to be full of photos. I'd rather this than a few instagram posts.coffeepenguin wrote: Can somebody explain to me why the idea of a photobook is so horrible? I'm not being a troll, I genuinely don't understand
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SquishPhan
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I'm with you, I will most likely buy the book as well. It sounds good to me.majitzu wrote:Photobook opinions
2000 photos of Dan and Phil?! What are you talking about? Sign me up!
I'll maybe won't buy it inmediatly but for 2017. Now I need the youtubered documentaries
I hope you didn't misread my tone because I already preordered the book because I wanna support themcoffeepenguin wrote:Can somebody explain to me why the idea of a photobook is so horrible? I'm not being a troll, I genuinely don't understandswofro wrote:Omg, yes I love Dan but this is so true. What a transparent lie. Maybe that's why they make the cover look so bad, because they want to meme the heck out of it, because they themselves don't like the idea of . I don't knowbluewho wrote:yes, this made me laugh when he lied so easily about it. But I guess he can't really be honest or no one would buy the book and would lose a little credibilitydanphil333 wrote: “the reason we made D&PGO is to have a physical object for the tour” . lol. No. The only reason you made this book is because you had a “two books deal” with your publisher and its obvious you hate it.
(and it's my money to spend). I just find it funny that Dan is not enthusiastic about the book, as if he didn't care about it. He doesn't promote it as much as tabinof. And I think his reasoning of producing the photobook is a bit not genuine, like he don't really have a reason why he wanna make the book besides his publisher made him do it. So I come to conclusion that Dan doesn't like the photobook idea too. And that is kinda funny to me.But photobook is idea to anyone who wanna commemorates their tatinof experience (and maybe find their faces in the book too) and great for trash like me who want to stare and analyse all their photos.
Love is forever
Because this 'photobook' is probably gonna be what should be Instagram and Twitter content behind a pay wall, just done with a good camera instead of a phone. At least, I hope y'all won't have to pay for grainy phone selfies printed on paper... I know there was a professional photographer on board too and that could create a gorgeous aesthetically pleasing book like the ones you'd find in k/jpop but although I love those they're also very staged and not genuine (because idols are fake). That level of fake doesn't seem like a good option for web celebs who rely on being on real and relatable imo, but that's just me thinking about it too much. People just want pictures, I get it.coffeepenguin wrote:Can somebody explain to me why the idea of a photobook is so horrible? I'm not being a troll, I genuinely don't understandswofro wrote:Omg, yes I love Dan but this is so true. What a transparent lie. Maybe that's why they make the cover look so bad, because they want to meme the heck out of it, because they themselves don't like the idea of . I don't knowbluewho wrote:yes, this made me laugh when he lied so easily about it. But I guess he can't really be honest or no one would buy the book and would lose a little credibilitydanphil333 wrote: “the reason we made D&PGO is to have a physical object for the tour” . lol. No. The only reason you made this book is because you had a “two books deal” with your publisher and its obvious you hate it.
On top of that I see no point in reading about what they got up to during tour months after the whole thing ended. This is 2016, shit happens in real time and we read about it in real time. It's why newspapers are dead. Also I do think that the main reason for their silence was the book, because creating exclusivity is the oldest marketing trick in the book. People would be less inclined to get it if all of it was already shared on social media.
I didn't like TABINOF that much either though and didn't buy it (my friend jokingly gave it to me as a Christmas present) so my opinion on this hardly matters as I'm obviously not the intended audience.
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uglyamerican
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I watched the Tumblr version of the ls late last night (ok, it was like 2am.) Thank holy jesus that Tumblr spares us from the inane comment crawl that normally accompanies YouNow. Something was a bit off with Dan, but I cannot put my finger on it. Maybe he was a bit frustrated as some have said with the asks, or perhaps he's just exhausted from the tour, lingering effects of jetlag and travel sniffles.
Dan's current FO stan: I'm trying very hard to like Frank Ocean's drop, but I'm not really super impressed, and I'm particularly pissed that individual tracks are not available on iTunes. I mean *maybe* it would grow on me *if* I was able to sample it a track at a time, but no.... In all fairness, R&B is not my favorite genre, and I prefer bands over individual artists for the most part. At least FO is better behaved that Dan's other stan.
He mentions a several week slow period coming up, so maybe some videos will get edited and published, and just maybe some new DINOF (but that seems to be quite the effort for Dan to produce, so don't cross your fingers...) So, why do they get busy at the end of the month? Awards shows? Radio shows? Promo for YTR?
AusTour: They actually seemed to have time to experience the culture on this round, compared to the hectic schedule and concurrent book production during the US Tour, so good for them. OT: Can I mention that I thought their choice of cuisine was amusing while in Hong Kong? Burgers and pizza?
Tour Book: I'm looking forward to the tour book. I don't think Dan dissed it at all, and I don't think it's a sellout either. I will say that D&P poured their heart and soul into TABINOF, their Magnum Opus. Anyway, second books sometimes prove to be hard to do (having expended everything in the original,) but luckily, dense photography covers pages - besides I'm sure it will be fun to browse.
SU2C: I think Dan might be overreacting to the "whiteness" of the promos thus far - is there a controversy about this in the UK? Dan should reflect on his tour audiences Anyway, people should be judged by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin (I stole this from MLK, soz.)
Lack of commitment: #relatable
Dan's current FO stan: I'm trying very hard to like Frank Ocean's drop, but I'm not really super impressed, and I'm particularly pissed that individual tracks are not available on iTunes. I mean *maybe* it would grow on me *if* I was able to sample it a track at a time, but no.... In all fairness, R&B is not my favorite genre, and I prefer bands over individual artists for the most part. At least FO is better behaved that Dan's other stan.
He mentions a several week slow period coming up, so maybe some videos will get edited and published, and just maybe some new DINOF (but that seems to be quite the effort for Dan to produce, so don't cross your fingers...) So, why do they get busy at the end of the month? Awards shows? Radio shows? Promo for YTR?
AusTour: They actually seemed to have time to experience the culture on this round, compared to the hectic schedule and concurrent book production during the US Tour, so good for them. OT: Can I mention that I thought their choice of cuisine was amusing while in Hong Kong? Burgers and pizza?
Tour Book: I'm looking forward to the tour book. I don't think Dan dissed it at all, and I don't think it's a sellout either. I will say that D&P poured their heart and soul into TABINOF, their Magnum Opus. Anyway, second books sometimes prove to be hard to do (having expended everything in the original,) but luckily, dense photography covers pages - besides I'm sure it will be fun to browse.
SU2C: I think Dan might be overreacting to the "whiteness" of the promos thus far - is there a controversy about this in the UK? Dan should reflect on his tour audiences Anyway, people should be judged by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin (I stole this from MLK, soz.)
Lack of commitment: #relatable
swofro wrote: But photobook is idea to anyone who wanna commemorates their tatinof experience (and maybe find their faces in the book too) and great for trash like me who want to stare and analyse all their photos.
All of us will be PJ when the book comes out, and D&P will be Felix watching us try to find anything they aren't fully aware is in there.
There was a lot of discussion around it, yes, as there should be. There was in fact more diversity on display by the tatinof tour-goers (going by M&G pics) than there was in the promo materials Stand Up 2 Cancer chose to launch with, so..? Just as Dan said: if there are actually non-white people involved in the campaign, they should be just as represented as the blindingly white roster they decided to go with. Yes, people should be judged by their character, but that's a tired cop-out. Representation matters.uglyamerican wrote:SU2C: I think Dan might be overreacting to the "whiteness" of the promos thus far - is there a controversy about this in the UK? Dan should reflect on his tour audiences Anyway, people should be judged by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin (I stole this from MLK, soz.)
(edit: also using an MLK quote to hand-wave away concerns of white-washing is pretty hilariously tone-deaf)
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I don't think Dan was reacting to the Stand up to cancer promo in general but to that specific tweet: It turns out it was maybe someone posting that without really thinking it through but honestly in a campaign that plays on that inclusive image of "the whole of youtube" and the "whole of youtube audience" all united against cancer, it is really indelicate to have 0 POC in the montage.uglyamerican wrote:
SU2C: I think Dan might be overreacting to the "whiteness" of the promos thus far - is there a controversy about this in the UK? Dan should reflect on his tour audiences Anyway, people should be judged by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin (I stole this from MLK, soz.)
this is kinda funny. awwwww poor Dan he can never win. If he doesn't say anything people criticize him for it and if he speaks about it, this happens lol.majitzu wrote: I had to check...
I don't know what I expected but I actually find this quite hilarious
If you’re attracted to somebody, you’ll want them to sniff you eventually - Dan
*Phil is turned on by Dan's brilliance* *they kiss* *they have sex in the microwave* - Oqua (actually Phil)
*Phil is turned on by Dan's brilliance* *they kiss* *they have sex in the microwave* - Oqua (actually Phil)
no one is being judged for being white. cancer does not exclusively affect white people, and this should have been reflected in the campaign image they posted on twitter. i don't think it is an overreaction to question why they couldn't manage to find even one non-white person to put in that picture.uglyamerican wrote: SU2C: I think Dan might be overreacting to the "whiteness" of the promos thus far - is there a controversy about this in the UK? Dan should reflect on his tour audiences Anyway, people should be judged by the content of their character, and not by the color of their skin (I stole this from MLK, soz.)
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colfreckles
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This could be total coincidence, but check out Felix and PJ at 3:58......
Haha! That has to be 100% intentional. He's doing the 'Dan angle'.colfreckles wrote:This could be total coincidence, but check out Felix and PJ at 3:58......
I want to see how the actual photos turned out lol.
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